[Tim9000]

(04-08-2013 06:15 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

math is off here. he said he had a new girl every week that'd be at least 40 h year... but his total count is 56.

Just read his letter. It seems that when he wrote it in 1998 he was hitting one new QUALITY girl a week and giving attention to two using them for social proof (invited them to meet him in clubs). And that was after an aggressive winnowing down process. He didn't want more than one a week. He also mentioned some ltrs. I have no idea why he mentioned his 6 year notch count because it's pretty clear that he could have been hitting 2+ quality girls a week on a sustsined basis if he wanted, with his skill level at the time.

[Spike]

(04-09-2013 12:43 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 12:34 PM)soup Wrote:  

Maybe Neil Skywalker drinks Zima in Europe?

I thought Neil was so poor he had to make his own moonshine nowadays?

Neil is so poor that he's buying a flight to NY and LA soon and is planning a 3 month stay in LA. Poor me, i worked 2.5 weeks in the last 4 years.

[el mechanico]

(04-09-2013 01:17 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 12:43 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 12:34 PM)soup Wrote:  

Maybe Neil Skywalker drinks Zima in Europe?

I thought Neil was so poor he had to make his own moonshine nowadays?

Neil is so poor that he's buying a flight to NY and LA soon and is planning a 3 month stay in LA. Poor me, i worked 2.5 weeks in the last 4 years.

LA and NY =$$$$ Meltdown on the horizon?

[Aliblahba]

Neil in pre-approach:


   






Neil in post-approach:





   

[Screwston]

I didn't know about Mystery until this forum. I'd never heard of PUA's and all that until I found Roosh forum. I'm not good with techniques, I just know what works for me. I think some guys on here get to wrapped up in their head trying to think of techniques and moves or whatever. Just gotta relax and be smooth.

[soup]

(04-09-2013 01:40 PM)houston Wrote:  

I didn't know about Mystery until this forum. I'd never heard of PUA's and all that until I found Roosh forum. I'm not good with techniques, I just know what works for me. I think some guys on here get to wrapped up in their head trying to think of techniques and moves or whatever. Just gotta relax and be smooth.

This sound like when you hear women tell guys who have trouble with women "Just be yourself".

If I was just going to "be myself", I'd be nowhere in the game. It takes a lot of work to turn your life around. I've had to alter almost everything- I've changed my body language, I walk differently, my voice is lower, I've built more muscle, I've increased my sense of style, I've busted my ass in what seems like countless hours at the bar and online, I go against my anxiety and have re-shaped or released my instincts to approach women and not to fear rejection.

Yes, relax and be smooth. Easier said than done.

[Screwston]

I didn't say to be yourself, I said to relax and be smooth. I realize that most guys can't be themselves because they don't know how to be cool and laid back. I didn't know it was that hard for you to be cool as an ice cube soup. Did you get offended that I said to be smooth lol. Use techniques and moves if they work for you, I can't do that.

[soup]

(04-09-2013 02:13 PM)houston Wrote:  

I didn't say to be yourself, I said to relax and be smooth. I realize that most guys can't be themselves because they don't know how to be cool and laid back. I didn't know it was that hard for you to be cool as an ice cube soup. Did you get offended that I said to be smooth lol. Use techniques and moves if they work for you, I can't do that.

I use 'techniques' until I internalize the behavior and don't have to think about it anymore. There are times when I do relapse, but I get more solid with every passing year. I think that game is also helping my dick to grow. I know this sounds weird, but since I've started implementing all the stuff I've learned, my dick has gotten thicker. What the fuck is up with that? Anyone else notice something like that? Maybe it's just from getting older. I'd be curious to know if there is a connection between getting good at game and dick growth. That would be nuts.

Anyway, not offended, I just think it's important to remember where you are coming from. Because, you never know- you might be back in that kind of position at some point in the future.

[Divorco]

(04-09-2013 01:17 PM)Tim9000 Wrote:  

He didn't want more than one a week. ... it's pretty clear that he could have been hitting 2+ quality girls a week

He didn't even get one per month. It's clear to me that he was delusional. Ironically, this may have helped him endure dry spells.

Mystery's background in magic helps explain his method. Magicians are typically nerds who seek social validation. They learn magic routines to fool, surprise, and entertain people. This philosophy carries over to "pick-up lines" and routines. The problem with this Aspie approach is the bad internal mindset that you can fool people into liking you.

Mystery's background also explains the marketing. Magic has a sordid commercial aspect of misrepresenting tricks. Dealers understate the requisite skill and exaggerate the applicability of tricks. Some tricks can only be performed wearing long sleeves, seated, or with gimmicked cards, after 50 hours of practice. So Mystery markets his L.A. club game as a universal panacea.

I think the Mystery Method book was actually written by Lovedrop. IMO, Mystery's main contribution was the idea that game can be learned as a skill, and broken into distinct "tricks" for different situations.

[Giovonny]

(04-09-2013 02:13 PM)houston Wrote:  

I said to relax and be smooth.

What are some techniques that have helped you become more relaxed and smooth?

[Screwston]

(04-09-2013 02:34 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:13 PM)houston Wrote:  

I said to relax and be smooth.

What are some techniques that have helped you become more relaxed and smooth?

Get high, drink, think about all the girls I've been with and how I can't be that ugly if we fucked, make myself talk slow, wear clothes that I feel comfortable in, working out. I try to think before I talk and always think of the Nike commercials "Just do it" if I feel nervous. I have been homeless and been in all kinds of crazy shit so I just tell myself not to let a pussy and tits make my heart beat fast. The worst thing a girl can do is walk away.

[aphelion]

(04-09-2013 02:20 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:13 PM)houston Wrote:  

I didn't say to be yourself, I said to relax and be smooth. I realize that most guys can't be themselves because they don't know how to be cool and laid back. I didn't know it was that hard for you to be cool as an ice cube soup. Did you get offended that I said to be smooth lol. Use techniques and moves if they work for you, I can't do that.

I use 'techniques' until I internalize the behavior and don't have to think about it anymore. There are times when I do relapse, but I get more solid with every passing year. I think that game is also helping my dick to grow. I know this sounds weird, but since I've started implementing all the stuff I've learned, my dick has gotten thicker. What the fuck is up with that? Anyone else notice something like that? Maybe it's just from getting older. I'd be curious to know if there is a connection between getting good at game and dick growth. That would be nuts.

Anyway, not offended, I just think it's important to remember where you are coming from. Because, you never know- you might be back in that kind of position at some point in the future.

Soup, for the record, I have to say that you might have the most amazing avatar in forum history.

[Giovonny]

Houston has shared his secrets of relaxation and smoothness:

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

Get high, drink, think about all the girls I've been with

Meditation. Positive Mental Imagery.

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

I can't be that ugly

Positive Self-Talk.

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

make myself talk slow,

Awareness of Self. Verbal Calibration.

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

wear clothes that I feel comfortable in,

Dress for Success.

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

working out.

Exercise.

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

I try to think before I talk

Patience. Awareness. Calibration.

(04-09-2013 02:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

and always think of the Nike commercials "Just do it"

Positive Visualization.

Good breakdown.

[Therapsid]

Say what you will, but I guarantee there's a contingent of younger guys on this forum who either lost their virginity because of the Mystery method or who snagged their first same night lay from it.

At the same time, for all the benefit Mystery did by codifying game his fucking VH1 show made American girls a little too aware of pickup for their own good.

[Tim9000]

(04-09-2013 02:31 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 01:17 PM)Tim9000 Wrote:  

He didn't want more than one a week. ... it's pretty clear that he could have been hitting 2+ quality girls a week

He didn't even get one per month. It's clear to me that he was delusional. Ironically, this may have helped him endure dry spells.

Did you even read his account? He was throwing a lot of fish back because he didn't want them, at least when he was at his 6-year mark in pickup. He didn't write a word about what his skills were like earlier in the 6-year period, or expand on how many/how long his breaks from pickup were.

I think there's also a good chance than he meant to write that that was his notch count for the year. It would be consistent with the rest of what he wrote, which was pretty detailed and clear.

[NY Digital]

(04-09-2013 03:07 PM)Tim9000 Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:31 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 01:17 PM)Tim9000 Wrote:  

He didn't want more than one a week. ... it's pretty clear that he could have been hitting 2+ quality girls a week

He didn't even get one per month. It's clear to me that he was delusional. Ironically, this may have helped him endure dry spells.

Did you even read his account? He was throwing a lot of fish back because he didn't want them, at least when he was at his 6-year mark in pickup. He didn't write a word about what his skills were like earlier in the 6-year period, or expand on how many/how long his breaks from pickup were.

I think there's also a good chance than he meant to write that that was his notch count for the year. It would be consistent with the rest of what he wrote, which was pretty detailed and clear.

Yeah no you don't mess up something like that.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-09-2013 02:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 01:40 PM)houston Wrote:  

I didn't know about Mystery until this forum. I'd never heard of PUA's and all that until I found Roosh forum. I'm not good with techniques, I just know what works for me. I think some guys on here get to wrapped up in their head trying to think of techniques and moves or whatever. Just gotta relax and be smooth.

This sound like when you hear women tell guys who have trouble with women "Just be yourself".

If I was just going to "be myself", I'd be nowhere in the game. It takes a lot of work to turn your life around. I've had to alter almost everything- I've changed my body language, I walk differently, my voice is lower, I've built more muscle, I've increased my sense of style, I've busted my ass in what seems like countless hours at the bar and online, I go against my anxiety and have re-shaped or released my instincts to approach women and not to fear rejection.

Yes, relax and be smooth. Easier said than done.

My question is this:

Why did it take a guy with goggles on his head and eyeliner to get you to do that?

I guess that is my disconnect. Wouldn't "life" itself get you to do that?

I mean hell, by 7th grade, I told myself "I better figure this sh*t out". By high school, I was well on my way. Senior year, swooping cheerleaders.

For us guys that figured it out "on their own" it sounds ridiculous when kids call Mystery a "pioneer".

Personally I would just skip the cheap knockoff and go to the true source, but maybe that is just me.

It is probably easier to just read an e-book for people these days.

[el mechanico]

Quote:

He was throwing a lot of fish back because he didn't want them,

That's bullshit. Who does this? If a girl is hot enough to approach she's good enough to close. That's a way to say he couldn't pull.

[DVY]

I started w/MM. I think it helped me get on the path. W/out that ebook pirated from a torrent site in my teens, I woulda been much worse off than I am now. +1 to Mystery

I grew up as an only child, sheltered, and very much brain-washed and indoctrinated by LAUSD (Los Angles Unified School District). Going to the source was not an option.

The #1 benefit was that rejection from girls is not equal death/brutal embarassment. Sounds stupid, but most guys in their twenties STILL have this. Edit- this seems to echo what Emech says. Dudes are scared of everything.

That probably why you see so much of bottle services, wallflowers, and guys getting wasted.

@G- you were precocious as a kid. Boxing and surfing probably helped. Growing up in hyper-masculine cultures opens your eyes. Most younger people grew up in a different era. Hell, I didn't start swooping girls properly until beginning of college.

[soup]

(04-09-2013 03:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 01:40 PM)houston Wrote:  

I didn't know about Mystery until this forum. I'd never heard of PUA's and all that until I found Roosh forum. I'm not good with techniques, I just know what works for me. I think some guys on here get to wrapped up in their head trying to think of techniques and moves or whatever. Just gotta relax and be smooth.

This sound like when you hear women tell guys who have trouble with women "Just be yourself".

If I was just going to "be myself", I'd be nowhere in the game. It takes a lot of work to turn your life around. I've had to alter almost everything- I've changed my body language, I walk differently, my voice is lower, I've built more muscle, I've increased my sense of style, I've busted my ass in what seems like countless hours at the bar and online, I go against my anxiety and have re-shaped or released my instincts to approach women and not to fear rejection.

Yes, relax and be smooth. Easier said than done.

My question is this:

Why did it take a guy with goggles on his head and eyeliner to get you to do that?

I guess that is my disconnect. Wouldn't "life" itself get you to do that?

I mean hell, by 7th grade, I told myself "I better figure this sh*t out". By high school, I was well on my way. Senior year, swooping cheerleaders.

For us guys that figured it out "on their own" it sounds ridiculous when kids call Mystery a "pioneer".

Personally I would just skip the cheap knockoff and go to the true source, but maybe that is just me.

It is probably easier to just read an e-book for people these days.

Here's your answer: does it matter? For whatever reason, life itself did not give me what I wanted. I didn't just read Mystery. I checked out, and still do check out as much as I can.

My question for you is why do you have so much against those guys. Do you have a personal beef with them?

[thegmanifesto]

(04-09-2013 03:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 03:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 01:40 PM)houston Wrote:  

I didn't know about Mystery until this forum. I'd never heard of PUA's and all that until I found Roosh forum. I'm not good with techniques, I just know what works for me. I think some guys on here get to wrapped up in their head trying to think of techniques and moves or whatever. Just gotta relax and be smooth.

This sound like when you hear women tell guys who have trouble with women "Just be yourself".

If I was just going to "be myself", I'd be nowhere in the game. It takes a lot of work to turn your life around. I've had to alter almost everything- I've changed my body language, I walk differently, my voice is lower, I've built more muscle, I've increased my sense of style, I've busted my ass in what seems like countless hours at the bar and online, I go against my anxiety and have re-shaped or released my instincts to approach women and not to fear rejection.

Yes, relax and be smooth. Easier said than done.

My question is this:

Why did it take a guy with goggles on his head and eyeliner to get you to do that?

I guess that is my disconnect. Wouldn't "life" itself get you to do that?

I mean hell, by 7th grade, I told myself "I better figure this sh*t out". By high school, I was well on my way. Senior year, swooping cheerleaders.

For us guys that figured it out "on their own" it sounds ridiculous when kids call Mystery a "pioneer".

Personally I would just skip the cheap knockoff and go to the true source, but maybe that is just me.

It is probably easier to just read an e-book for people these days.

Here's your answer: does it matter? For whatever reason, life itself did not give me what I wanted. I didn't just read Mystery. I checked out, and still do check out as much as I can.

My question for you is why do you have so much against those guys. Do you have a personal beef with them?

No need to get angry and bent out of shape, it was just a question.

Don't get all jumpy and spazzy on me.

No hate for the guy, I already made clear that I don't care about him.

I am just trying to help you guys see the light.

Don't go for the cheap knockoffs.

To make it more clear for you, you are saying that Chris Brown is the greatest soul singer of all time.

I am telling you to look into the history of soul.

[DVY]

hahaha, Chris brown. When I saw pics of Rihanna's face, I was like holy shit- Chris brown must be hitting the gym on the regular. Last I saw of him, he was 15 yr skinny jeans punk and riding around on a skateboard.

Now, hes turning Rihanna's face into mashed potatoes.

TBH, I still like Chris brown. Brings back memories of slutty college girls. Every girl I knew would get into grinding position when Cyclone came on.

[Aliblahba]

(04-09-2013 03:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote:

He was throwing a lot of fish back because he didn't want them,

That's bullshit. Who does this? If a girl is hot enough to approach she's good enough to close. That's a way to say he couldn't pull.

   

[soup]

Not getting angry- was just curious because I've noticed that you take jabs at Mystery often. I think he's funny too, but I wasn't sure if you had a bad run-in with them or whatever.

I agree- go to the source and then check out what's been done after. When I first found out about all this, I went to the most obvious examples I could find and later found out about the other stuff.

But, I'm curious if they are any pre-Mystery gurus in particular that you are talking about, or if you are just saying for guys to get their lifestyle together in general.

[Tim9000]

(04-09-2013 03:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote:

He was throwing a lot of fish back because he didn't want them,

That's bullshit. Who does this? If a girl is hot enough to approach she's good enough to close. That's a way to say he couldn't pull.

Who does this? Anyone who gets off on the process more than the bang. Banging one hot new girl a week is plenty for a lot of men who have other women in rotation (which he also wrote about in that letter, if you read it)