[iknowexactly]

(04-10-2013 12:34 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Took a quick look and they sure do look very sexy! And I love how exotic and feminine they look! Love how I learn something new every day in this awesome forum! Even a guy that has traveled as much as me, I'm still learning new things from here! Hats off guys! Keep'em coming those gems!

Cheers!

(04-09-2013 11:26 PM)S_tourist Wrote:  

If you have Facebook search club X2 Jakarta and then browse through the photo gallery, that should answer your question. You will certainly be pleased.

The girl pics on that club site are really smoking, thanks.They have sharper, more elegant faces than Filipinas.

[Duke Castile]

(04-08-2013 10:44 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Wow, that is awesome to hear Fisto!
I thought BKK was the shit, but damn, Jakarta looks even more promising!
So far, you've been to BKK, HCM and Jakarta, where would you say the hottest girls are among those 3 cities? How about the girls with the best attitude?

Thanks!

(04-08-2013 10:29 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

VP - I would rate Jakarta better in every single area. The girls are hotter on average and always approachable. They will stare at you, look you in the eyes and not turn away.

Those girls he posted are very common to see. The girls have major asses here.

You can rent a decent apartment for around 400 usd per month.

Everyone says traffic is so terrible, and it is, but it's just like every other SEA city.

I wish I could stay here longer.

Jakarta by far.

Thai and Vietnam girls are intimidated and the backpackers/sextourists/betas are ruining them and making normal dudes look bad.

Girls are hesitant to go out with you in these places because it's assumed they're whores when they aren't. My virgin in Vietnam was very wary of this and several times would "forget" her ID so she couldn't get in the hotel.

Really annoying.

Jakarta in contrast has not been overrun by these chumps.

I'm like a goddamn rockstar here. Girls openly stare at you, even last night a girl just said "Would you like to come home with me, I live alone?"

Uh yes.

There is one trait I've noticed, some of the girls kind of have bug eyes

It isn't exaggerated but it is there a bit.

They are not intimidated and are intrigued.

It reminds me of the DR.

It feels like no girl is closed to you.

[scotian]

Guys have you ever taken this stuff called extra Joss? Its made in Jakarata so I assume its widely available, I picked some up in Manila a couple of days ago and its crazy, like drinking ten red bulls. Good to take before a big night out. http://www.extrajoss.co.nz/

[Soma]

(04-09-2013 06:45 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I met a black belt who lives in Indonesia and I asked him about Jakarta. He told me I would be knee deep in pussy from "models" who we're absolutely not pros. I took it as a slightly older guy hyping the place up about quality of girls and their fondness of white foreigners. Stoked to hear be wasn't embellishing as much as I assumed.

You probably would be, but any girl that has ever been in a photoshoot considers herself a part-time model, while her real job is in marketing, sales, PR, etc. I believe every girl I was with had done some kind of "modelling."

Another thing to understand is that actual full-time models (and actresses,) except maybe at the very top, don't get paid much money at all. Rather, it's a gateway to high-end prostitution for them where they can make more in a night than via a month's work and maybe even get wifed up, or at least mistressed up, by someone rich or powerful. Their rates are determined, for example, by how many FHM magazines they've been in and whether they've been on the cover. Many would be shocked at how many women there, at some point, have partaken in money/gifts/vacations for sex transactions - and I'm not talking about poor farmer girls.

(04-09-2013 01:37 PM)Innuendo Wrote:  

I like how the hype switches all the time from one place to another on the forum.

Agreed, that is one of the forum's quirks. Girlwise, Jakarta might currently be one of the best major cities in SEA. However, living there could definitely be a grind, the biggest problem being, aside from the brutal traffic, that besides chasing girls there is simply nothing else to do. That's fine if you're working during the day, e.g. on location independent income, but if not then you'll be twiddling your thumbs in shopping malls waiting for nighttime.

(04-09-2013 04:55 PM)RichieP Wrote:  

Whats the visa situ there? Still quite strict, 1 month at a time unless u have a sponsor etc?

You can extend once for an extra month at the immigration office for a total of two months at a time. When I looked previously into it you could pay an agency beforehand to get you a 6 month social visa, but the rules change faster than one can keep up with them.

[Duke Castile]

(04-09-2013 01:37 PM)Innuendo Wrote:  

I like how the hype switches all the time from one place to another on the forum.

Perhaps because people are going different places and haven't visited others and all are having different experiences.

I don't "Hype" things.

That's what Naughty Nomad is for.

[scotian]

Guys if you're flying around Indo, you may want to avoid Lion Air, just saw this article online about a plane missing the runway in Bali and crashed into the sea, fortunately no one died: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/...plane.html

Then again, you may be able to score some cheap tickets if you're looking to bounce outta Jakarta!

[Soma]

(04-13-2013 09:06 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Guys if you're flying around Indo, you may want to avoid Lion Air, just saw this article online about a plane missing the runway in Bali and crashed into the sea, fortunately no one died: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/...plane.html

Then again, you may be able to score some cheap tickets if you're looking to bounce outta Jakarta!

I looked them up when I saw that. They don't exactly have the greatest safety record. Always fly with a non-Indo airline, e.g. AirAsia, if you can.

[samsamsam]

(04-07-2013 10:41 AM)Soma Wrote:  

Damn that girl in the black and white...

[Sizemic]

Just came back from a trip to Jakarta for business and thought I'd share my 2c with my first post. Went to 999 in Kemang on Thurs night and X2 on Fri night. I've been to Bangkok many times and I can assure you that pulling in Jkt is a lot easier. The quality of girls are the same (hot girls in both cities) but you will find girls in Jkt are much more open to foreigners!

I was there for 3 nights and went out on 2 of those nights. I went out with a local male in the showbiz industry who I happened to meet while pre-gaming at my hotel bar. We approached many sets and none of the girls I spoke to had shields. Ended up having a SNL on the Fri night and got numbers off all the girls I approached on the Thurs night. One of the girls from Thurs night was going to meet me on the Fri night but I lost interest after I started gaming girls at X2 because I saw there were more girls of the same quality!

I am in my mid-twenties though and would say I have a bit of style, so I'm not sure if 40+ year olds with more money but less style would have similar success. From my experience, I would say money and looks would be roughly of equal importance to the girls there (looks probably more important in Kemang because the crowd is slightly younger). Having said that, I did see quite a few older men in their 50s with 7+ girls in my hotel lobby, so it seems you can pull here regardless of your age! Being a foreigner also works incredibly in your favour (unlike Thailand and KL).

Judging criteria of the city in terms of girls is as follows:

1) Amount of hot girls -
If you head to the busy places at night (Kemang, X2, Immigrant, Blowfish, Dragonfly), there will be many 8+ girls there. I've headed out in 15 countries of the world and can safely say that the girls in Jkt are just as attractive as anywhere else. Only problem is you won't see them out on the streets during the day, so I didn't get a chance to run any day-game. It's like they hibernate during the day because they're scared of the fucking sun. Apparently they're all in malls during the day (lots go to Senayan Plaza), but I didn't get the chance to go.

2) Openness to foreigners -
As I noted above, being a foreigner really works in your favour. The amount of girls you notice eye-fucking you as soon as you walk into your hotel or into the club is mind-boggling (and also extremely ego-boosting)

3) Easiness to bang -
From my experience, very easy. Had 1 SNL and all girls were friendly in their texts and keen to meet up again (just a pity I was only there for 3 nights!)

4) Language barriers -
Of course, being able to throw in a few words in the native language will be a plus, but I don't speak a word of the local language and I didn't have a problem. Apparently it's really easy to learn though if you have the time.

5) Quality of nightlife and Ability to have fun -
Tough one to comment on because I never really went out by myself. I think you'll definitely have more fun if you know other expats there or some middle-upper class locals who have a bit of style like I did. Otherwise you can just meet some local sluts at CJs bar in the Mulia hotel (lots of high class hos there) and head out with them like I was planning to. That way you'll have plenty of social value (not that you'll need it being a foreigner).

Just make sure you allow excess time for transport! Can't wait until I go back for longer and run some day game! If anyone is in Jkt please don't hesitate to hit me up on PM, I'll be back there very soon!

[Prosal]

(06-02-2013 07:22 AM)Sizemic Wrote:  

It's like they hibernate during the day because they're scared of the fucking sun. Apparently they're all in malls during the day (lots go to Senayan Plaza), but I didn't get the chance to go.

Upscale malls in JKT are great hunting grounds. Not only Plaza Senayan, but also FX, Senayan City Mall, Plaza Indonesia and Grand Indonesia.

About the amount of hot girls, IMO Thailand can't compete with Indonesia. You can see more gorgeous girls in an half hour at Plaza Seanyan then you might see at Emporium in one day. Dressed with better style also, which has its importance.

JKT is a great great city in ALL respects.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20433-...#pid455596

[Sizemic]

(06-02-2013 07:33 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-02-2013 07:22 AM)Sizemic Wrote:  

It's like they hibernate during the day because they're scared of the fucking sun. Apparently they're all in malls during the day (lots go to Senayan Plaza), but I didn't get the chance to go.

Upscale malls in JKT are great hunting grounds. Not only Plaza Senayan, but also FX, Senayan City Mall, Plaza Indonesia and Grand Indonesia.

About the amount of hot girls IMO Thailand can't compete with Indonesia. You can see more gorgeous girls in an half hour at Plaza Seanyan then you might see at Emporium in one day. Dressed with better style also, which is a factor in appearance.

JKT is a great great city in ALL respects.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20433-...#pid455596

Prosal what are some other clubs & bars that are good to go to in Jkt for pulling? (other than X2 and 999) Are the others on the same level in terms of the quality of girls? I must say I was amaazed at the ratio of hot girls:guys in X2 Equinox bar. Never seen anything like it!

[Soma]

(06-02-2013 07:33 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

JKT is a great great city in ALL respects.

Except traffic...

[Prosal]

(06-02-2013 07:45 AM)Sizemic Wrote:  

Prosal what are some other clubs & bars that are good to go to in Jkt for pulling? (other than X2 and 999) Are the others on the same level in terms of the quality of girls? I must say I was amaazed at the ratio of hot girls:guys in X2. Never seen anything like it!

Many. As I said in the other thread, IMO Jakarta has the best nightlife in SEA and is swarming with upscale venues. You already mentioned X2, Immigrant, Dragonfly and Blowfish, and also I'd add Skye, Domain or Prive (in FX). Kemang as you also rightly said, has many many good and less posh options, as Loewy, Nu China, Triple Nine (that you mentioned), ect. Don't forget also the mega clubs in North JKT (like Stadium), that can be fun.

[Prosal]

(06-02-2013 07:52 AM)Soma Wrote:  

Except traffic...

Agree. It's better to stay in an area like Senayan or Plaza Indonesia, where there is upscale malls around for daytime game.

[Partizan]

(04-12-2013 09:12 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 01:37 PM)Innuendo Wrote:  

I like how the hype switches all the time from one place to another on the forum.

Perhaps because people are going different places and haven't visited others and all are having different experiences.

I don't "Hype" things.

That's what Naughty Nomad is for.

Exactly. I would take what NN says with a pinch of salt.

[Northern]

Has anyone got info about Senayan in South Jakarta? Is it a good area to stay and party?

[Akula]

Just read this thread and gotta say it's pretty intruguing. Jakarta seems to to be sort of like Moscow was back in the late 90s with a lower cost of living (for now). Wondering how long it will last as inevitably it doesn't. $400 a month for a nice apartment with beautiful women who are very open to westerners would be some pretty good value. Wondering how expensive beer/drinks and shisa(hookah) are....

I was all set to book a trip to Thailand next year but now am considering Indonesia.....seems like it'd be so much better.

Question: are there beaches closeby to Jakarta whereby you could arrive on say a Friday, party the weekend, then hit the beach and chill from Sunday-Wednesday, then come back? Do-able? Or better just to party on through the whole week?

Also, how much does the Islamic angle play there? I'm sure Ramadan is quite dead, but is Islam 'in your face' once you get outside of the touristy areas, or still somewhat benign? I mean there was a pretty nasty conflict in East Timor up until a few years ago...was that isolated to East Timor only?

[Prosal]

(07-30-2013 08:45 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Just read this thread and gotta say it's pretty intruguing. Jakarta seems to to be sort of like Moscow was back in the late 90s with a lower cost of living (for now).

Question: are there beaches closeby to Jakarta whereby you could arrive on say a Friday, party the weekend, then hit the beach and chill from Sunday-Wednesday, then come back? Do-able? Or better just to party on through the whole week?

Personally I think that Jakarta is a pretty expensive city. A Long Island Ice T in most glam clubs and bars will cost you 100 000/120 000 rps, and sometimes more. Hotels and serviced apartments are definitely more expensive than in BKK. I don't know where you have read about 400$/month apartments, but just to give you an idea about high-end, a studio at the Ascott Residence will cost you at best 130$/day.

Anyway, and to answer your question, yes, there is beaches not too far from Jakarta. Carita is the nicest and is about a three-hour drive .... nice whites beaches behind swaying coconut trees, with as a bonus the panoramic view of the infamous Krakatau volcano (the volcanic island situated in the Sunda Strait between Java and Sumatra). You also can go to Anyer (about 120 km from JKT), which is a popular beach resort for Jakartataneses, and stay for exemple at the Patra.

You can also spend two or three days in Bandung, and visit the tea plantations, ect(the city itself is interesting, it was named "the Paris of Java"). Bandung's countryside is really wonderful. If you do that, you need to stay at the Sheraton, which is a Balinese-alike resort up on the Dago hills, which views on the rice fields - really a nice place to kick out for two or three days. I've made a post about the train trip to Bandung.

That said, I understand that living in Moscow you need your fix of exotism, but if you are in Jakarta for just ten days, you don't want to leave. IMO better you choose a hotel with an enjoyable swimming-pool (the Grand Hyatt comes to mind, the pool is truly gorgeous, but if you want to stay in Senayan area the Mulia is also great) and spend there your entire stay. Forget about those 400$/month apartments, JKT despite all its wonders, is a rather stressful city, and you need a nice accommodation. Don't hesitate to negociate. For a ten days stay, I'm pretty sure that you can get good rates (I've stayed once one full month at the Grand Hyatt with a terrific discounted rate).

About your last question, Indonesians are the nicest people on the planet, much nicer than Thais, period.

[iknowexactly]

(07-31-2013 02:41 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Forget about those 400$/month apartments, JKT despite all its wonders, is a rather stressful city, and you need a nice accommodation.

About your last question, Indonesians are the nicest people on the planet, much nicer than Thais, period.

Some good information, it's appreciated, but it's easy to simply say "Forget about money" when you have a lot of it.

For a lot of us, it's a question of staying in 1st world sterility or taking a less than first-rate accommodations where we can at least get laid.

It isn't a question of "what is best", but what is the best allocation of limited resources for me, because I don't want to go somewhere for a month, I want to go there indefinitely, and not work.

Congratulations on having money, I think you referred to buying a 6000 euro coat? I'm guessing the percentage of guys here that can do that even if they wanted to is small.

[Prosal]

(07-31-2013 03:13 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

It isn't a question of "what is best", but what is the best allocation of limited resources for me, because I don't want to go somewhere for a month, I want to go there indefinitely, and not work.

Well, I really didn't want to brag (I don't consider myself as someone who "has money", rather as someone who spend it with "panache"), and I gave this tip to Akula because when he was in Paris, he stayed at the Hyatt.

Anyway, you need to be seriously wealthy if you want to live by western standarts in JKT without working.

[tiggaling]

Prosal, many of us are in different stages of life, and may be cycling somewhere in between boom and bust.

I've paid pretty big money for accomodation and I've paid almost nothing. These days I try to strike a balance and use my bankroll wisely. Of course, if you you have "made it", it is different matter. Many of us travel for long periods of time as well without working.

Anyway, many thanks for your invaluable insights into Jakarta and Java.

[WanderingSoul]

Prosal, how old are you? Many of us are in our twenties and early thirties. I imagine you must be in your fourties or fifties?

I could imagine many expats live in Jakarta without being seriously wealthy. Not everyone needs to stay at the Hyatt to enjoy themselves, especially not those of us in our twenties.

[Northern]

(07-31-2013 02:41 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

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That said, I understand that living in Moscow you need your fix of exotism, but if you are in Jakarta for just ten days, you don't want to leave. IMO better you choose a hotel with an enjoyable swimming-pool (the Grand Hyatt comes to mind, the pool is truly gorgeous, but if you want to stay in Senayan area the Mulia is also great) and spend there your entire stay. Forget about those 400$/month apartments, JKT despite all its wonders, is a rather stressful city, and you need a nice accommodation. Don't hesitate to negociate. For a ten days stay, I'm pretty sure that you can get good rates (I've stayed once one full month at the Grand Hyatt with a terrific discounted rate).
...

Prosal, I really appreciate your info. Do you think Senayan is a good area for nightlife? Or would you stay there and go parting somewhere else?

[Prosal]

(07-31-2013 03:30 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Prosal, how old are you? Many of us are in our twenties and early thirties. I imagine you must be in your fourties or fifties?

I could imagine many expats live in Jakarta without being seriously wealthy. Not everyone needs to stay at the Hyatt to enjoy themselves, especially not those of us in our twenties.

It's funny how I've read many many times here that a guy qualifies himself as a "Millionaire" (which I'm not) or as someone who earns "close to seven figures" (which I don't), without any comment from the other members, but as soon as I write that I like to spend my modest money on expensive goods or that I enjoy sometimes to treat myself in a luxurious place, someone jumps on me or reminds me later what a bragger I am.

Once more, I gave this tip to Akula for his 10 days trip and because in Paris he stayed at the Hyatt. OK, next time I'll refrain from giving tips. I am 50 yo.

FYI, here is the entrance of the building in Tashkent where I rent my apartment:

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-31-2013 03:50 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 03:30 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Prosal, how old are you? Many of us are in our twenties and early thirties. I imagine you must be in your fourties or fifties?

I could imagine many expats live in Jakarta without being seriously wealthy. Not everyone needs to stay at the Hyatt to enjoy themselves, especially not those of us in our twenties.

It's funny how I've read many many times here that a guy qualifies himself as a "Millionaire" or as someone who earns "close to seven figures", without any comment from the other members, but as soon as I write that I like to spend my money on expensive goods or that I enjoy sometimes to treat myself in a luxurious place, someone jumps on me.

Once more, I gave this tip to Akula for his 10 days trip and because in Paris he stayed at the Hyatt. OK, next time I'll refrain from giving tips. I am 50 yo.

FYI, here is the entrance of the building in Tashkent where I rent my apartment:

Prosal, I don't think anyone was trying to give you a hard time in this thread.

I appreciate the tips about the higher end stuff. It is always better to get a wide range of options for everyone. Those that backpack can add in their favorite spots. Not everyone would be interested in them but some would.

Rio was hoping you would be really old so he could catch up to your bank account. heh