[getar]

The slut was crazy horny and jumped hornily on them to have pleasure.


But now, they are getting their lives destroyed....

[germanico]

(03-28-2013 11:57 AM)Jules D. McMillan Wrote:  

If you get so drunk to the point that you black out, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens afterwards. This girl is ultimately responsible for going to a party, getting wasted and putting herself in such a vulnerable position.

Dude, its not like they drew a dick on her forehead.

Its easy to say its the girls fault for drinking, or that she is a slut, but this time is the guys fault. Teenagers are irresponsible, thats part of being a teenager. Never got drunk as a teen? Did you knew when you had one beer to many at a party when you where 16? They where in a small town, perhaps even knew each other all their lives. When you go out drinking with friends, do you feel safe, do you drink knowing they have your back, or do you expect them to stick it up your bum (or laugh at you while someone else does it) when you blink?

When I drank with my high school buddies, and somebody went unconscious, we made fun of them, sure, we might have took pictures even, but we didnt stuck fingers up their asses.

[puckerman]

(01-09-2014 07:49 PM)germanico Wrote:  

When I drank with my high school buddies, and somebody went unconscious, we made fun of them, sure, we might have took pictures even, but we didnt stuck fingers up their asses.

Actually I knew a guy who woke up with a mohawk. He passed out, and his buddies shaved his head. It was the stupid kind of stuff that teenage boys do. As far as I know, no charges were filed or anything. This was the late 1980's. People didn't call the police for anything and everything, and we didn't have social media.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/...ntPage=all

Here's the summary: Girl gets drunk. Girl gets fingered. Some boys take dirty photos of girl and share them. Girl's daddy finds the pictures.

What does girl do? How many teenage girls are going to say, "Yes, I had sex with those boys."? How many are going to say, "I was raped."?

[puckerman]

I don't know how well the girl knew the boys. I'm pretty sure the girl is/was a student at Madonna High School, across the river in Weirton, West Virginia.

By the way, Mays and Richmond were not "football stars." During the previous season, they were not starters.

[Burdflu]

(03-23-2013 10:04 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 12:07 AM)soup Wrote:  

Here's the problem:

If you are going to hold people accountable for their actions when they are drunk (like drunk driving), then you need to hold people accountable for their actions when they are drunk.

If a girl gets drunk and has sex with a guy and wakes up and feels guilty about it, who's fault is that? Maybe she shouldn't go out and get wasted and have sex with random guys if she can't stomach the buyer's remorse.

Women either have free will or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

Perfect response.

Also, were the boys drunk too? How come if the boys are drunk and make sexual advances, they are held responsible, but if a girl is drunk and makes sexual advances she isn't responsible?

Although what these guys did was wrong, they amount of punishment they are receiving is not proportional to the crime. Men should not be villainized simply because a girl gets blacked-out drunk and they put a finger inside of her. A small punishment is in order but they should not have their lives thrown away for such a minor incident.

The girl can't even remember what happened, how can she say she was damaged by the incident?

^ because her feminist lawyer told her to say that.

[germanico]

(01-10-2014 03:25 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

What does girl do? How many teenage girls are going to say, "Yes, I had sex with those boys."? How many are going to say, "I was raped."?

That depends. If you got drunk, and your buddy stuck his thumb up your ass, would it be sex, or rape?

[Draugr]

I had some anon wannabes prank me with a craigslist ad for defending due process in the case of the boys, condeming rape hysteria, and pointing out the culpability of the girl.

Everyone involved was low class, but youth should not be an excuse, nor alcohol. In my extended family we are pretty stringent with slcohol use because of a long history of alcoholics. Use with caution. I can't say much else.

[Combored]

She was drunk so he raped her
He was drunk so he raped her
They both were drunk so he raped

Is always man's fault.

[puckerman]

http://www.wtrf.com/story/25820762/sexua...d-for-teen

Ma'Lik tried to appeal his sex offender classification. Unfortunately, his classification has been upheld. He'll have to register every 180 days for the next twenty days.

Who is "scarred for life" in all this?

[The Father]

(01-09-2014 07:49 PM)germanico Wrote:  

When I drank with my high school buddies, and somebody went unconscious, we made fun of them, sure, we might have took pictures even, but we didnt stuck fingers up their asses.

I'm sure your friends appreciated that...I know I would have

[puckerman]

Ma'lik Richmond is practicing with the team. It looks like he'll be able to complete his senior year.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/201...et_on.html

Reno Saccoccia talks about the decision he made to let him play:

http://www.wtov9.com/news/features/top-s...5309.shtml

[HonantheBarbarian]

Well hell, that's a good (small) step in the right direction.

[Truth Teller]

How much evidence did they actually have for this witch hunt, I mean criminal case?

[puckerman]

It's hard to say how much evidence there actually was/is. Most of it was posted to social media and then later deleted. And most of them were minors, so a lot of it will never be posted again.

What is known is that Trent Mays transmitted at least one photo of the girl, and that was done without her permission. For that reason alone, I'm not sympathetic to Mays at all. This is why Mays got two years, while Richmond got one.

The girl was definitely intoxicated, and Ma'lik Richmond fingered her. That is also pretty much true.

I honestly can't say what the other boys did and how many of them did what.

I don't really know anything about the girl other than she was a student at Madonna High School in Weirton, West Virginia. That's right across the river from Steubenville.

It also sounds like Richmond could get his status as a "sex offender" overturned if he can show he is "rehabilitated" or whatever. If that does happen, he should write a book as soon as possible.

[puckerman]

The football season has begun. Big Red had a rare Thursday night game against Cleveland JFK. They won 49-12. Ma'lik Richmond played on both sides and apparently caught a touchdown pass. One person also noted that the first two passes of the game were to him.

Steubenville was at home, and it sounds like a lot of people came out. This includes people who don't go to games that much. One fan made a positive observation:

"All I can say is that this kid must have spent every free minute he had in jail in the gym."

[Pepini]

(03-28-2013 03:17 PM)jammer Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 03:13 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

That doesn't excuse their responsibility in this incident either. And it's not little. Fingering someone passed out is rape, nothing little about that. If I pass out, I might be stupid but that doesn't excuse you from robbing me then saying it should be my responsibility not to pass out.

You're part of the problem with beliefs like that.

Rape is pentration. Penis into vagina or anus.

This is sexual assault. Or digital penetration without consent.

Whatever you want to call it, these guys deserve no sympathy and should be locked up for years.

The bitch was a slut. She got drunk in order to act irresponsibly. If one day I have a daughter and this happened to her. I would beat up the kids no more than I would beat up my slut/daughter.

Once thing I can take from this thread is: Never send my kid to study in any angloshpere country except if he goes with a girlfriend or he´s old enough.

She should be ashamed. You walk on the rain you get wet. You play with fire you get burned.
Comparing this with homosexual situation is completely idiotic. When she went to this party I guess she wasn´t planning on hooking up with another girl was her?????? This wasn´t a fucking gay party but a straight party. There´s no reason to expect a gay/lesbian would put up a finger up your ass. You can expect to have some kind of heterosexual sexual intercourse. None of this boys expected to have gays in the party and surely they didn´t expect to have girls putting fingers up their asses. You can´t say that about the girls who went to the party.

Didn´t she had girl friends who attended the party with? Why didn´t THEY help her.
Was the action of this kids morally wrong? maybe so. Did they deserve any criminal punishment? Hell no.
In fact they should be glorified. They treated a slut like a slut deserved. Next time sluts won´t be passing out. Or if they do, expect to have sexual experiences. Which was the case of this slut. She took the alcohol so that she would become totally uninhibited and irresponsible for her acts. Like anybody that take large volumes of alcohol want. Wasn´t it?

I get completely wasted and decide to cross a road. Is it my fault or the drivers fault if I get run over?

The problem is they announced publicly the utter slut the girls was by posting pics and videos. When that happened she needed to do something to save her face. But convicting this boys of rape? What a fuck? putting this kids in contact with real criminals just because a slut got what she deserved and after regret it? Does this sentence benefits them or society? You know what any convict will tell you about prison. it´s a school of crime.

A criminal punishment has three purposes:

i) Retribution: Eye for an eye, etc. Those type of idiotic dogmas. Of course you could never get equal punishment on most crimes.

ii) Preventing the perpetrator on committing another crime, teaching him a lesson.

iii) Preventing other members of society committing the same crime, because from others examples they will be scared.

I cannot place the sentence of those kids in any of this purposes.

A civil punishment would probably teach this kids a lesson. Don´t fucking post online pics of girls which causes shame on them. Because they will need to fight back, because even if they are complete sluts, they don´t want everybody to know. Specially in small cities.

Let boys be boys.

About jail code? do you know why rapists get a really really bad time in jail? it´s not because raping is morally wrong. Do you really think a gangmember who killed 20+ persons cares.

Most of the guys in jail came from broken homes and were actually abused by a family member. They suffered real rape and abuse.

[puckerman]

(08-29-2014 02:06 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

The bitch was a slut. She got drunk in order to act irresponsibly. If one day I have a daughter and this happened to her. I would beat up the kids no more than I would beat up my slut/daughter.

That's exactly why they get drunk, yes.

Quote:

Didn´t she had girl friends who attended the party with?

Her girl friends apparently tried to stop her, but she insisted on going with the boys anyway.

[puckerman]

Ma'lik Richmond got hurt fairly badly last night and will have an MRI on Monday. I heard his teammates carried him off the field. It sounds like he's had a pretty good season.

Big Red is 6-3 and has already clinched a playoff spot. They have their final regular season game at home next week.

[puckerman]

Ma'lik Richmond is playing football at Youngstown State. There was somewhat of an uproar about him. The coach and athletic department support him playing though. The AD is Jim Tressell, former football coach at YSU and at Ohio State.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/ysu-foo...mes-rapist

https://www.akronlife.com/jim-tressel-on...-sweaters/

[JohnKreese]

(09-04-2017 11:24 AM)puckerman Wrote:  

Ma'lik Richmond is playing football at Youngstown State. There was somewhat of an uproar about him. The coach and athletic department support him playing though. The AD is Jim Tressell, former football coach at YSU and at Ohio State.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/ysu-foo...mes-rapist

https://www.akronlife.com/jim-tressel-on...-sweaters/

Yeah...except...not

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27267...r-petition

Quote:

Ma'lik Richmond Not Permitted to Play Football at YSU After Petition

So, I guess he is technically ON the team, but not allowed to play. Kinda misses the point.

On a somewhat related note, kid in questions dad shot a judge two weeks ago.

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2017/08/2...e-shooting

Quote:

Father of Football Player Convicted in Steubenville Rape Case Shoots Judge

[Samseau]

Amazing how a single incident destroyed this family. Teenagers do something stupid and now:

- Two young men lives are ruined
- Wounded judge
- Dead? father (article says nothing more than Nate Richmond getting gunned down)

Whole thing is a farce. Such draconian punishments on teenage boys should be considered in violation of the cruel and unusual punishment clause.

The boys should have spent a good year or two in JuVe, mainly because of the taping and humiliation more so than the sex act, and with good behavior a chance to clear their reputation. Instead the perpetrators are fucked for life and the father decided to take things into his own hands. Tragic all the way down. I won't be surprised if Ma'lik resorts to other types of crime now. The criminal system probably produces as many criminals as they remove.

[puckerman]

Nate Richmond had also filed a lawsuit against the local Housing Authority.

http://wtov9.com/news/local/lawsuit-file...-dismissed

http://wtov9.com/news/local/suspect-name...e-shooting

http://wtov9.com/news/local/judge-was-pr...-authority

Quote:

Bruzzese is expected to survive and is recovering in a regional hospital.
Court records indicate that in April of 2015, Richmond's 70-year-old mother, Mae Etta Richmond, and another person died in a house fire on Wellesly Avenue in Steubenville. Three other people escaped.
Two years later, Richmond and others filed a lawsuit against the Jefferson Metropolitan Housing Authority. Also listed as plaintiffs are Latasha Birden, Tony Dillard and two minors on behalf of the estate for Te'On Dillard.
The complaint alleges there was exposed wiring and missing or inoperable smoke alarms.
That case was being heard by Bruzzese.

I don't know how much Nate was involved in the life of his son Ma'lik. He was mostly raised by another family. I happen to know that matriarch of that family pretty well.

Evan Westlake, Anthony Craig, and Mark Cole all testified against Ma'lik and Trent Mays, and the court gave them immunity for it. I'm largely convinced that they might have done more with the girl than Ma'lik did. They only went after Ma'lik because he was in the photo that everybody saw. Trent Mays got an extra year because he shared the photos on social media.

[puckerman]

A documentary called Roll Red Roll is scheduled to debut at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York tomorrow. It is specfically about the Steubenville case and "rape culture."

Looking at the Facebook page, it looks like it's more of an editorial than any actual investigative reporting. I've also asked a few people on Facebook about it. Nobody knew about it. So, they apparently didn't bother to interview any local media for it. By that, I mean people who work for newspapers, radio, or television.

http://rollredrollfilm.com/

https://www.tribecafilm.com/festival/schedule

https://www.facebook.com/rollredrolldoc/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8092888/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_1

The director is Nancy Schwartzman. "Rape culture" is one of her pet causes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Schwartzman

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3626116/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

It's been very telling watching the national news media throw a small town in Ohio under a bus. With all the metoo stuff happening, I won't be shocked if this one gets nominated for an Oscar.