Quote: (03-19-2013 01:41 AM)soup Wrote:  

Hmn.. she looks pretty much incapacitated in that photo.

If I passed out for whatever reason, and found out later that some guy stuck his finger up me ass when I was out, and that everyone video taped it, I'd be pretty angry.

Another thing- aren't all the people who took photos and video complicit as well? Shouldn't they all be on trial then? If you see someone "getting raped" or whatever the fuck happened, and you video tape instead of doing something about it, aren't you essentially helping to enable? Also, you are making underage porn as well.

The Ohio Attorney General is convening a Grand Jury to look at this, to see if there should be more arrests.

I agree with the court decision. What I can't abide are the Facebook harpies posting "they needed to CHECK THEIR PRIVILEGE" and similar tripe.

There's too much glee from the College-aged-spinster Rape Alert crowd in finally finding a case that matches their textbook example of a girl being taken advantage of because she's so drunk she's passed out unconscious.

Plus the victim was a white female.

Before they had to use badly staged actors like in this piece of propaganda. Guess what court case photos are going to be now used for the next year?

This whole thing is a circus show and I bet the weirdo feminists we all hate are actually happy this happened so they can use it as an example on their blogs.

Why do you think sex-offenders have a very bad time in the joint?

Even hardened cons have a code. You fuck a kid, you are going to get eaten alive in general population

You come in as a rapist - you better be a stud and fight like a motherfucker.

I say take these two punks and send them downstate to the big house for a year, put them in general, and let them become men......or bitches.

If they come out virgins in the mouth and anus - god love em.

If they get gang-banged in the ass and mouth - god save em.

I couldn't give a shit one way or another, but if they get raped in the joint, I say give them a Glock and let them decide if they want to live as a bitch or go out with dignity.

Here's the problem:

If you are going to hold people accountable for their actions when they are drunk (like drunk driving), then you need to hold people accountable for their actions when they are drunk.

If a girl gets drunk and has sex with a guy and wakes up and feels guilty about it, who's fault is that? Maybe she shouldn't go out and get wasted and have sex with random guys if she can't stomach the buyer's remorse.

Women either have free will or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

Ladies, it's up to you.

Are you responsible for your actions, or are you out of control? Do you get to vote, or are you irresponsible children?

Quote: (03-19-2013 10:45 PM)houston Wrote:  

This whole thing is a circus show and I bet the weirdo feminists we all hate are actually happy this happened so they can use it as an example on their blogs.

Yeah, the problem is that they will say this extreme case - where the girl was unconscious and clearly couldn't consent - is the same as the more typical case - where the woman was conscious, walking, talking, but had some drinks, became less inhibited, had sex and later regretted it and so called it rape. The feminists just want a broad rule that says women+alcohol+sex=rape.

Quote: (03-19-2013 01:41 AM)soup Wrote:  

Hmn.. she looks pretty much incapacitated in that photo.

If I passed out for whatever reason, and found out later that some guy stuck his finger up me ass when I was out, and that everyone video taped it, I'd be pretty angry.

The guys definitely did something wrong. But let's view it from another angle. Suppose you as a straight guy went to a gay party and got shit-faced until you blacked out. Then you found out one of them fingered your asshole while you were out cold.

Is that fucked up? Yes.
Is that illegal? Yes.
Would you be surprised they did it? Fuck no.
Would you be a fool for getting that drunk at a gay party? Yes.
Would I go screaming "whoa onto me" as an innocent victim? No. What do you expect when getting that drunk around people who want to fuck you.

So my feeling is those guys should be duly punished, but my heart's not bleeding for that girl either.

Quote: (03-20-2013 06:45 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2013 01:41 AM)soup Wrote:  

Hmn.. she looks pretty much incapacitated in that photo.

If I passed out for whatever reason, and found out later that some guy stuck his finger up me ass when I was out, and that everyone video taped it, I'd be pretty angry.

The guys definitely did something wrong. But let's view it from another angle. Suppose you as a straight guy went to a gay party and got shit-faced until you blacked out. Then you found out one of them fingered your asshole while you were out cold.

Is that fucked up? Yes.
Is that illegal? Yes.
Would you be surprised they did it? Fuck no.
Would you be a fool for getting that drunk at a gay party? Yes.
Would I go screaming "whoa onto me" as an innocent victim? No. What do you expect when getting that drunk around people who want to fuck you.

So my feeling is those guys should be duly punished, but my heart's not bleeding for that girl either.

It just goes to show that there should be more tests in society in general, regardless of gender, to prove that people are worthy of certain responsibilities.

There's no guarantee that wisdom comes with age for everyone.

Yet, we still let people vote, drink, and drive just because they've reached a certain age. Same with sexual consent.

Why can't we have tests to determine whether or not an individual is capable of responsibility in areas like these and having/raising kids as well.

Sure, it may sound un-PC, but it might be better for society as a whole.

It's the same thing with sugary foods. We don't have to outlaw sweets etc., we just need to make a law that says that they shouldn't be sold to people who are a certain BMI.

Quote: (03-17-2013 06:15 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

I am surprised people are making excuses for what these guys did.

I am not at all.

This is what happens when girls cry wolf (rape) too much.

Wald

I honestly believe feminist want women to be violated, thus the witch hunts. It's the only way to get new recruits, through fear an manipulation. The woman who has enough sense to not get raped, beaten, ect. has no reason to follow the fearmongers like Lindy West. They could give a shit.

Ironic, as I think most of us don't advocate violence or abuse toward women, but feminist revel in it. Without it they have no cause.

Anything you do to my unconscious body I am going to consider against my will. Even if I would have liked it when I was awake.

Quote: (03-20-2013 12:07 AM)soup Wrote:  

Here's the problem:

If you are going to hold people accountable for their actions when they are drunk (like drunk driving), then you need to hold people accountable for their actions when they are drunk.

If a girl gets drunk and has sex with a guy and wakes up and feels guilty about it, who's fault is that? Maybe she shouldn't go out and get wasted and have sex with random guys if she can't stomach the buyer's remorse.

Women either have free will or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

Perfect response.

Also, were the boys drunk too? How come if the boys are drunk and make sexual advances, they are held responsible, but if a girl is drunk and makes sexual advances she isn't responsible?

Although what these guys did was wrong, they amount of punishment they are receiving is not proportional to the crime. Men should not be villainized simply because a girl gets blacked-out drunk and they put a finger inside of her. A small punishment is in order but they should not have their lives thrown away for such a minor incident.

The girl can't even remember what happened, how can she say she was damaged by the incident?

Quote: (03-23-2013 10:04 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The girl can't even remember what happened, how can she say she was damaged by the incident?

Because they were idiots and took video/pictures that got plastered all over the place.

If you got drunk, passed out, and someone shoved a finger up your ass would you care more if:
a) You never found out about it?
b) You heard about it but there were no pictures/evidence?
c) There was a youtube video that all your closest friends/family/future employers could see?

Quote: (03-17-2013 04:57 PM)ozzyyooo Wrote:  

The way, I look at it, they deserved it. The parents should be ashamed of themselves too for not acknowledging their childrens' horrid actions and not showing any sympathy towards the girl. Actually, I'm pretty sure the parents are the ones who provided the drinks. Rape is rape. If a drunk guy murders someone he should be arrested right? Same principle applies here. Just my two cents.

Trololol

Quote: (03-23-2013 10:53 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

Quote: (03-23-2013 10:04 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The girl can't even remember what happened, how can she say she was damaged by the incident?

Because they were idiots and took video/pictures that got plastered all over the place.

Blame anonymous for that one.

Why is it always on men to be responsible for random drunk women?

If you get so drunk to the point that you black out, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens afterwards. This girl is ultimately responsible for going to a party, getting wasted and putting herself in such a vulnerable position. I don't condone what these boys did, but did they force her to drink herself into oblivion?

I agree with Samseau, I don't think these boys' lives should be thrown away by this little incident.

Quote: (03-28-2013 11:57 AM)Jules D. McMillan Wrote:  

Why is it always on men to be responsible for random drunk women?

If you get so drunk to the point that you black out, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens afterwards. This girl is ultimately responsible for going to a party, getting wasted and putting herself in such a vulnerable position. I don't condone what these boys did, but did they force her to drink herself into oblivion?

I agree with Samseau, I don't think these boys' lives should be thrown away by this little incident.

That doesn't excuse their responsibility in this incident either. And it's not little. Fingering someone passed out is rape, nothing little about that. If I pass out, I might be stupid but that doesn't excuse you from robbing me then saying it should be my responsibility not to pass out.

I'm sorry, not to make light of sexual assault anywhere, and I whole-heartedly feel for this victims of it, but "digital rape" or being fingered I just don't see it anywhere near the level of penile rape[/align]

[quote] (03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

[quote='Jules D. McMillan' pid='405134' dateline='1364489832']
Why is it always on men to be responsible for random drunk women?

If you get so drunk to the point that you black out, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens afterwards. This girl is ultimately responsible for going to a party, getting wasted and putting herself in such a vulnerable position. I don't condone what these boys did, but did they force her to drink herself into oblivion?

I agree with Samseau, I don't think these boys' lives should be thrown away by this little incident.[/quote]

[quote] (03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

That doesn't excuse their responsibility in this incident either.[/quote]

Show me where I excused their responsibility in this? I clearly stated that I do not condone what they did, however, I don't feel they should have to suffer for the rest of their lives because of it.

[quote] (03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Fingering someone passed out is rape, nothing little about that.[/quote]

Regardless. SHE was still responsible for whatever happened to HER after SHE decided to get drunk. I don't consider what they did anywhere close to actual rape and you know exactly what I mean by that. So, I don't think they should have to suffer for the rest of their lives for it.

[quote] (03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

If I pass out, I might be stupid but that doesn't excuse you from robbing me then saying it should be my responsibility not to pass out.[/quote]

It absolutely doesn't excuse me. But who ultimately put you in that position in the firstplace, me or you? Who's responsible for you passing out?

If you get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car and the cops pull you over, who do you think they're going to hold responsible for your drunk driving? YOU. YOU are responsible for YOURSELF after YOU decide to drink.

Same thing with this girl.

Quote: (03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

That doesn't excuse their responsibility in this incident either. And it's not little. Fingering someone passed out is rape, nothing little about that. If I pass out, I might be stupid but that doesn't excuse you from robbing me then saying it should be my responsibility not to pass out.

You're part of the problem with beliefs like that.

Rape is pentration. Penis into vagina or anus.

This is sexual assault. Or digital penetration without consent.

Quote: (03-28-2013 03:13 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

Quote: (03-28-2013 12:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

That doesn't excuse their responsibility in this incident either. And it's not little. Fingering someone passed out is rape, nothing little about that. If I pass out, I might be stupid but that doesn't excuse you from robbing me then saying it should be my responsibility not to pass out.

You're part of the problem with beliefs like that.

Rape is pentration. Penis into vagina or anus.

This is sexual assault. Or digital penetration without consent.

Whatever you want to call it, these guys deserve no sympathy and should be locked up for years.

Quote: (03-28-2013 03:17 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Whatever you want to call it, these guys deserve no sympathy and should be locked up for years.

The point I'm making, is that there are two different crimes, depending on how you put it.

For example, people can be put on a sex offender's registry for pissing in public or having sex in public. Most people, when they look at the sex offender's registry, don't even bother to look at the offense and paint everyone on there with the same brush. And the people who are on such lists have their lives ruined, when their crime was minuscule.

As for the locked up for years, I'd play the devil's advocate, and argue that, if anonymous hadn't found this video and posted it, the girl might have never known and never been so negatively impacted by it. The wide exposure in the media about this, I'd argue does more harm to the girl than what actually happened.

Wald

I realize that I'm resurrecting a dead thread here. I grew up about 25 miles from Steubenville. I graduated high school with a woman who was in the court room when the verdict was read. She still has a picture of her with Malik Richmond on her Facebook page. She and her husband took him into their home and still basically consider him a son.

I want to clear up a few things. These guys weren't "football stars." They were basically bench warmers.

The alleged victim is actually a student at Madonna High School, which is across the river in Weirton, West Virginia.

Most people in Steubenville just want lives to get back to normal. In Steubenville, I can pump my gas and THEN pay for it.

The whole thing was being discussed extensively on this board long before it became national news:

http://www.ovathletics.com/forum/showthr...ete-Issues

Anonymous hacked this web site: http://www.rollredroll.com/ This happened even though the site isn't connected officially to SHS at all. The webmaster of the site quit posting on OVAthletics last December and hasn't been there since.

Here's a good video by John Ziegler. Back in the early 1990's, he worked for WTOV Channel 9 in Steubenville as a sports reporter. It's pretty funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGGo1-l2yg

And yes, he does correctly pronounce the football coach's name.

The biggest loser in all this will be Michael Nodianos. He's the one who posted the Youtube video in which he brags about the "rape." Google his name ten years from now, and it will still come up.

Ma'Lik Richmond is free. It looks like he's going to have to register as a "sex offender" for 20 years.

Trent Mays still has another year because he distributed the photos.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/features/top-s...-&at_pos=2

I am so sick of hearing how the girl's life was "changed forever" by this. Someone's life has "changed forever," and that is Ma'Lik Richmond's.