[AneroidOcean]

(03-20-2013 10:49 AM)houston Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 09:44 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

Houston, I find it really interesting that you choose to make a non-response with the hamster animated gif to Aliblahba and that on top of that you make zero response to liberman who a few have agreed with.

Did you post this thread to get agreement or to get the actual answer/people's concensus even if it's against your current belief?

If you're just looking for your own answer parroted back to you, you're wasting time.

[el mechanico]

(03-20-2013 12:29 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 10:49 AM)houston Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 09:44 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

Houston, I find it really interesting that you choose to make a non-response with the hamster animated gif to Aliblahba and that on top of that you make zero response to liberman who a few have agreed with.

Did you post this thread to get agreement or to get the actual answer/people's concensus even if it's against your current belief?

If you're just looking for your own answer parroted back to you, you're wasting time.

[XXL]

Thing is, it's not that girls want you to be an asshole or some bad boy. They want to see you don't give a fuck. That's what it comes down to. And they observe you and examine you and fuck with your frame looking you deeply in the eyes for holes in the armor. If you can stand up to her then you can stand up for her. Basically it comes down to being a guy who can stand up for himself and doesn't take shit. Be someone a girl respects.

Bad boys... It's true they look cool only when things go well for them. But when their frame crumbles they completely lose their shit and act all butthurt.

I do all this shit like opening a door and blessing them when they sneeze. It's all good cause they respect me in the first place. So don't get caught up in this.. oh yeah you gotta be this caricatural dickhead to keep her interested etc

That's my take on it.

[DBCooper]

(03-20-2013 12:29 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 10:49 AM)houston Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 09:44 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

Houston, I find it really interesting that you choose to make a non-response with the hamster animated gif to Aliblahba and that on top of that you make zero response to liberman who a few have agreed with.

Did you post this thread to get agreement or to get the actual answer/people's concensus even if it's against your current belief?

If you're just looking for your own answer parroted back to you, you're wasting time.

I think the hamster wheel was a bit of banter, dude.

[iknowexactly]

(03-18-2013 05:35 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

... Sure, she won't get wet for a murderer or explicit psychopath, but she will squeal with delight at how he makes constant fun of her, physically escalates strongly, and doesn't take her seriously as a person, behaviours which are signals of psychopathy that no "nice guy" would ever have.

Disagree, taking the billionaire daughter as an admittedly extreme example, the dad will set up her life such that she never, ever even MEETS the murderer or any criminal class character unless he ambushes her on the way into her limousine. He won't have the chance to run his feel-her-up game, especially when his accent and body language immediately repels her as being three classes away from her own.

If you have money or even higher education like a grad degree, you tend to spend a lot of time and effort keeping your kids away from the criminal class. Even the working poor are pretty insulated from the upper middle class.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-20-2013 04:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:35 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

... Sure, she won't get wet for a murderer or explicit psychopath, but she will squeal with delight at how he makes constant fun of her, physically escalates strongly, and doesn't take her seriously as a person, behaviours which are signals of psychopathy that no "nice guy" would ever have.

Disagree, taking the billionaire daughter as an admittedly extreme example, the dad will set up her life such that she never, ever even MEETS the murderer or any criminal class character unless he ambushes her on the way into her limousine. He won't have the chance to run his feel-her-up game, especially when his accent and body language immediately repels her as being three classes away from her own.

If you have money or even higher education like a grad degree, you tend to spend a lot of time and effort keeping your kids away from the criminal class. Even the working poor are pretty insulated from the upper middle class.

I get this gist of what you are saying, however there are places where there is overlap:

Nightclubs
High End Restaurants
The Racetrack
Las Vegas
LA and Hollywood Nightlife in General

Just to name a few.

[pitt]

(03-17-2013 04:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I was thinking about this topic recently. I think this women chase bad boys thing is a bit of a illusion. It's not the fact that they are bad, it's the fact that bad boys have a powerful frame. But you don't need to be bad to have that. George Clooney has a powerful frame too and he's a good guy. Would he get laid any less than a bad boy?

All this talk about alpha vs beta traits. It all comes down to one trait. The frame. If you don't know what I mean by frame I'm saying your ability to frame the reality around you by your terms. When you talk everyone listens and nobody talks over you. When you say "let's go here", everyone goes without question. When you ask someone to do something, they do it. Nobody tries to pull one over on you. You have everybody's respect and nobody wants to cross you. You dominate the situation. Dominance. That's what it means to have a powerful frame. Bad boys exhibit this trait naturally and nice guys don't. But some guys who are not bad boys per se also have a powerful frame and they do very well.

I don't believe in trying to emulate assholes and jerks. Those guys don't get girls because they are jerks, they get them because they are dominant, but you don't need to be an asshole to be a dominant male. I've always known alphas who are very cool guys, never had a problem getting laid and aren't acting like dickheads to everyone.

I completely agree with you, i also think it all comes down to your frame.

Actually all the best players i have ever met were all good people, they were not the onyx bad boys type.

Think about this, true bad boys dont have good social skills. Game is all about social skills, true bad boys are hardly ever charming, seductive, capable of attracting large crowds (they may intimidate them but they dont truly attract), etc.

And we all know girls dont like good guys either. If your good is opening the door for her, caring a lot about her, treat her super nice, buy her flowers, you aint getting shit lol (Im not saying ''you'' speakeasy). It is all about finding a balance, i love the giving her pleasure and pain approach, it works really fine for me.

[iknowexactly]

She said she's "vibrating"; physiological arousal can be experienced as completely different emotions based on the cognitive framework of the experiencer ( girl).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_...of_emotion

So, with the orangutang, she may think it was just being friendly. If a thuggish guy physically suddenly did the same thing to her as she walked down the street in New York she might not say "vibrating"; she might label and experience it as "terrified" or "angry".

If she was alone with Jude Law whom she had a crush on the same physical interaction might be experienced/interpreted as "horniness".

There aren't rationalizations as such, but actual different emotional experiences.

[DBCooper]

(03-20-2013 04:34 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Thing is, it's not that girls want you to be an asshole or some bad boy. They want to see you don't give a fuck. That's what it comes down to. And they observe you and examine you and fuck with your frame looking you deeply in the eyes for holes in the armor. If you can stand up to her then you can stand up for her. Basically it comes down to being a guy who can stand up for himself and doesn't take shit. Be someone a girl respects.

Bad boys... It's true they look cool only when things go well for them. But when their frame crumbles they completely lose their shit and act all butthurt.

I do all this shit like opening a door and blessing them when they sneeze. It's all good cause they respect me in the first place. So don't get caught up in this.. oh yeah you gotta be this caricatural dickhead to keep her interested etc

That's my take on it.

I like what you're saying here, because I feel I can identify with it a bit. I tried being an actual dickhead, going from being a true 'beta' or whatever the fuck it is to being an asshole... and I still didn't get laid.

It's only when I chilled the fuck out but kept a degree of aloofness, indifference and rebellion as well as remaining civil and emotionally light-hearted (girls, at least initially, don't like deep) that I started getting somewhere.

What I think a lot of guys forget is that girls aren't as secure as men on a personal level - if a girl came to me in a bar and told me I was skinny and needed to lift I'd just laugh and chill and call her out on it in a casual way, the reason being because I'm secure enough in my physique to not give a fuck.

However if you're a big/intimidating/good looking guy and you go straight up to an average to cute girl - 6,7 and some 8s merely for illustration - and call them out on a something they're wearing or their features, then chances are they're going to be taken aback and turned off.

[iknowexactly]

(03-20-2013 04:50 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 04:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:35 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

... Sure, she won't get wet for a murderer or explicit psychopath, but she will squeal with delight at how he makes constant fun of her, physically escalates strongly, and doesn't take her seriously as a person, behaviours which are signals of psychopathy that no "nice guy" would ever have.

Disagree, taking the billionaire daughter as an admittedly extreme example, the dad will set up her life such that she never, ever even MEETS the murderer....

I get this gist of what you are saying, however there are places where there is overlap:

Nightclubs
High End Restaurants
The Racetrack
Las Vegas
LA and Hollywood Nightlife in General

Just to name a few.

This is a good point, and there might even be some cases where a particular badboy type is so unfamiliar to an upper class girl she doesn't even recognize the cues ( although I think speech accent is a pretty hard class marker to hide.)

Also, there are different dimensions of "badness"-- for instance musicians even if totally broke are often very intelligent, I played with a guy whose father was the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate. ( Incidentally he was a very talented but abrasive guy) . Then there was that Kennedy who may have been date-raping girls, he might have gotten off on it simply through connections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kennedy_Smith

( I don't know if the charges were false, but if he wasn't guilty there's someone like him somewhere that is...)

Serial killer Ted Bundy actually succesfully enrolled in law school-- that would have been pretty hard to see through.

http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy.htm

[Screwston]

(03-20-2013 12:29 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 10:49 AM)houston Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 09:44 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

Houston, I find it really interesting that you choose to make a non-response with the hamster animated gif to Aliblahba and that on top of that you make zero response to liberman who a few have agreed with.

Did you post this thread to get agreement or to get the actual answer/people's concensus even if it's against your current belief?

If you're just looking for your own answer parroted back to you, you're wasting time.

[Heath0888]

I disagree for several reasons and it is by EXPERIENCE. Girls do like bad boys, but it depends on what they been arrested for, if a guy has a history of rape or murder yeah most women will steer clear of those type of guys, and if a guy is DOING drugs yeah it depends if she is a drug head herself but if she has any personal responsibility not to get involved but I do not really consider these "bad boy" traits per se but being idiots and self destructive and that is one way to end up getting abused and toxic relationships and how stupid the bitch is.

However the bad boys I noticed that women are attracted to , are guys with a powerful frame and it makes sense. George Clooney in ocean's 11, DID prison time in that movie for an example but he was also a good guy. I can give countless examples of bad boy traits women are attracted to.

So after I began studying what these bad boys had in common I had to start learning the behavior and mentality and it started to get me somewhere, I started to vibe with it. And it is true women will rarely approach but I am learning when a woman is attracted to me or wants me to say hello. If a bad boy is truly bad , he would have a "devil may care" attitude. Basically he is not attached to whether or not he gets laid and women will sense this. They have good intuition.

So with that being said. If any man wanted to adopt such bad boy traits. The best thing I did for me is dig through my history and see the alpha/bad boy traits I already had and learn to use it and reshape myself because for a long time I have been an AFC or "nice guy" and I understand why I been rejected because they get this vibe from me but when I display beta characteristics it is a big turn off to women.

So because I have a different attitude and been working on myself, more women have been attracted to me. Just saying..

[Heath0888]

I disagree for several reasons and it is by EXPERIENCE. Girls do like bad boys, but it depends on what they been arrested for, if a guy has a history of rape or murder yeah most women will steer clear of those type of guys, and if a guy is DOING drugs yeah it depends if she is a drug head herself but if she has any personal responsibility not to get involved but I do not really consider these "bad boy" traits per se but being idiots and self destructive and that is one way to end up getting abused and toxic relationships and how stupid the bitch is.

However the bad boys I noticed that women are attracted to , are guys with a powerful frame and it makes sense. George Clooney in ocean's 11, DID prison time in that movie for an example but he was also a good guy. I can give countless examples of bad boy traits women are attracted to.

So after I began studying what these bad boys had in common I had to start learning the behavior and mentality and it started to get me somewhere, I started to vibe with it. And it is true women will rarely approach but I am learning when a woman is attracted to me or wants me to say hello. If a bad boy is truly bad , he would have a "devil may care" attitude. Basically he is not attached to whether or not he gets laid and women will sense this. They have good intuition.

So with that being said. If any man wanted to adopt such bad boy traits. The best thing I did for me is dig through my history and see the alpha/bad boy traits I already had and learn to use it and reshape myself because for a long time I have been an AFC or "nice guy" and I understand why I been rejected because they get this vibe from me but when I display beta characteristics it is a big turn off to women.

So because I have a different attitude and been working on myself, more women have been attracted to me. Just saying..

[AntoniusofEfa]

If anything, a women nowadays will be even more attracted to the bad boys, since the big state will be there to support her in case she gets pumped and dumped.

[RatInTheWoods]

One of the hardest concepts to wrap your head around when you start your red pill journey is:

The worse you treat them, the better they treat you back.

Its counter intuitive, goes against your blue pill upbringing, but it 100% works.

Because by showing you dont care, you demonstrate higher value than her, which she finds attractive.
If you show you care about her, she thinks you don't have any options, and must be low value.

Of course some finessee is required, some comfort required, but the basic concept is a head scratcher.

[aswifty]

(03-16-2013 11:41 PM)Screwston Wrote:  

I always see guys on here saying girls like bad boys. Most don't. Gmanifesto has a quote somewhere that says they want "artificial, store bought bad boys" or some shit like that. Basically guys who get covered in tattoos, try to act hard and would be crying like a baby if they went to jail or prison. Guys who look talk the talk but will never walk the walk.

99% of girls want nothing to do with someone who sells drugs, is in and out of prison or can't hold down a regular job. Don't try to be a douchebag bad boy because you heard some guys say they like it.

Man, in my opinion, next to a high status famous jobs (actor, musician, ecT), a drug dealer is the best "job" a man can have to help him get pussy, hands down. Especially if he's dealing out of a drug house where he has his "gang" of bros around him and parties are happening frequently, like every night.
I see wayyy too many guys in my city pulling tons of girls because they deal weed. When I was in highschool, the drug dealers were hoarding all the quality pussy in the lower classes, and they even got some of the rich girls on their dick(although the hot rich girls usually got with the best looking jocks). But man, if a hot girl came from the projects or lower income housing, i swear there's almost a guarantee she's gonna be hanging out with drug dealers very frequently, and banging them.

It's just like the perfect way to offer value to a girl. Girls will hear about you through a friend, she'll hit you on facebook or text to pick up,now she has an excuse to come to you. And now you can say, "eh ill smoke you up lets chill." Why would she ever say no to that? So you literally got a girl in your home, can bring her straight to your room to smoke, and now she's disorientated, chilled out, and you're sexually attractive to her on top of it? just easy ass lays really

Apparently according to my friend who was living a drug house while he was homeless and starving and literally dying from drug abuse, claims a 15 lay count in this drug house WHILE his life was in the literal fucking shitter (he's a "bad boy" himself i guess. Also, good looking face.). While the main drug dealer who he was living with, one of the biggest weed dealers in my town-city, also dresses like the archetypal gangster skater type of bad boy, and has a 9/10 face and is 6foot (could probably be a model), and had good social sense and was a good artist... my friend swears up and down, that this guy achieved 100-150 lays in one summer, in about 4 months, in this drug house. The last girl i fucked actually, dated this dude in highschool, and she told me that he told her that this guy told her that he had a 300 bodycount by the time he was 17 (he was cheating on her constantly btw, she stayed anyway).... so apparently, he's probably hit around 500 lays by that point in the summer im speaking of, which he would be about 20yo in that epic summer. Most of his lays are from highschool girls. Who knows where his lay count is now.... could be 1000 if he wanted it to be.

I also saw lower level drug dealers who i picked up off almost always having some new girl, or their main girl around all the time, if they were young that is. It pisses me off tbh.

Also, the funny thing about all these drug dealers and bad boys who were pulling all this ass... they all had behaved like chihuahuas. All bark no bite. All skinny weaklings who had no true grit and got by with their pretty faces and swag and drug supply and welfare if need be. They acted like total pussies in many ways but pretended to be hard and argued everything, to the point of retardation. So i agree, they are artificial bad boys, even if they rejected society, and dealt drugs, and they dress like a bad boy, but they're not actually bad, in the sense of getting into fights all the time , and being physically tough, and strong, and intimidating.

[TigerMandingo]

Generally speaking, "bad boys" attract bad girls - trashy, tatted up, hood rat type sluts.

[whiteknightrises]

Depends on the girl.

[The Beast1]

(01-31-2019 07:06 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

Also, the funny thing about all these drug dealers and bad boys who were pulling all this ass... they all had behaved like chihuahuas. All bark no bite. All skinny weaklings who had no true grit and got by with their pretty faces and swag and drug supply and welfare if need be. They acted like total pussies in many ways but pretended to be hard and argued everything, to the point of retardation. So i agree, they are artificial bad boys, even if they rejected society, and dealt drugs, and they dress like a bad boy, but they're not actually bad, in the sense of getting into fights all the time , and being physically tough, and strong, and intimidating.

Now is this still the same?

I know a few kids that are in high school through various social groups and the girls are complaining of this exact thing. So many skinny soy boys and the few stoic masculine types are occupied with girls fawning over them.

This is ironic because it seems taste swings back and forth over a specific time periods.

[aswifty]

(01-31-2019 11:04 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 07:06 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

Also, the funny thing about all these drug dealers and bad boys who were pulling all this ass... they all had behaved like chihuahuas. All bark no bite. All skinny weaklings who had no true grit and got by with their pretty faces and swag and drug supply and welfare if need be. They acted like total pussies in many ways but pretended to be hard and argued everything, to the point of retardation. So i agree, they are artificial bad boys, even if they rejected society, and dealt drugs, and they dress like a bad boy, but they're not actually bad, in the sense of getting into fights all the time , and being physically tough, and strong, and intimidating.

Now is this still the same?

I know a few kids that are in high school through various social groups and the girls are complaining of this exact thing. So many skinny soy boys and the few stoic masculine types are occupied with girls fawning over them.

This is ironic because it seems taste swings back and forth over a specific time periods.

When i was in highschool i remember girls responding to two main types of guys.

1: Good looking guys who had status (drug dealer, sports athlete, ect)

2: Good looking guys who didn't care about the hot girls, or pretended to not care (that was me in highschool, i was very silent, but good looking)

A lot girls fawned over me because of my face and nothing seemed to effect me (Depression) and i appeared productive, but it's not like i capitalized on any of the potential results in front of me. But it was a good attitude to maintain in order to attract girls. I had the legit hottest girls in the school looking my way.

There was another guy in my school who was really good looking, he also acted the same, he got a lot of interest from the girls, but did nothing about it, from what i know.

If you acted stoic but were average looking, the girls didn't notice you existed.

Funny thing is i was a total soy boy in that time in the sense i was weak, didn't lift, didn't care to act like a man. From what I observed, girls just cared about your looks and status over everything the most lol

[Waqqle]

There is a stark difference between being a "bad boy" and being a felon in the same way that there is a clear difference between being a "nice guy" and a "good guy." What most people being a "bad boy" is basically just being traditionally masculine and holding a solid frame.

That said, you may enjoy this catchy music video, which has gotten over 78 million views. The tune is pretty addictive.

You may also enjoy the cinematic shorts from Wong Fu Productions, a cultural powerhouse within the Asian-American blue pill community, such as this gem.

*Just messing around. I know nobody here buys into the crap in these videos. They are interesting to watch though just to get a feel for what frequency the rest of the general male populace is operating on.

[TigerMandingo]

Waqqle, good post.

Speakeasy also nailed it. There are guys with dominant frames that would be considered bad boys in our pussified society. And there are true psycho bad boys like War Machine, the type that attracts the really crazy bitches.

[JakckieDanger437]

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