[speakeasy]

I was thinking about this topic recently. I think this women chase bad boys thing is a bit of a illusion. It's not the fact that they are bad, it's the fact that bad boys have a powerful frame. But you don't need to be bad to have that. George Clooney has a powerful frame too and he's a good guy. Would he get laid any less than a bad boy?

All this talk about alpha vs beta traits. It all comes down to one trait. The frame. If you don't know what I mean by frame I'm saying your ability to frame the reality around you by your terms. When you talk everyone listens and nobody talks over you. When you say "let's go here", everyone goes without question. When you ask someone to do something, they do it. Nobody tries to pull one over on you. You have everybody's respect and nobody wants to cross you. You dominate the situation. Dominance. That's what it means to have a powerful frame. Bad boys exhibit this trait naturally and nice guys don't. But some guys who are not bad boys per se also have a powerful frame and they do very well.

I don't believe in trying to emulate assholes and jerks. Those guys don't get girls because they are jerks, they get them because they are dominant, but you don't need to be an asshole to be a dominant male. I've always known alphas who are very cool guys, never had a problem getting laid and aren't acting like dickheads to everyone.

[Teedub]

(03-17-2013 04:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I was thinking about this topic recently. I think this women chase bad boys thing is a bit of a illusion. It's not the fact that they are bad, it's the fact that bad boys have a powerful frame. But you don't need to be bad to have that. George Clooney has a powerful frame too and he's a good guy. Would he get laid any less than a bad boy?

All this talk about alpha vs beta traits. It all comes down to one trait. The frame. If you don't know what I mean by frame I'm saying your ability to frame the reality around you by your terms. When you talk everyone listens and nobody talks over you. When you say "let's go here", everyone goes without question. When you ask someone to do something, they do it. Nobody tries to pull one over on you. You have everybody's respect and nobody wants to cross you. You dominate the situation. Dominance. That's what it means to have a powerful frame. Bad boys exhibit this trait naturally and nice guys don't. But some guys who are not bad boys per se also have a powerful frame and they do very well.

I don't believe in trying to emulate assholes and jerks. Those guys don't get girls because they are jerks, they get them because they are dominant, but you don't need to be an asshole to be a dominant male. I've always known alphas who are very cool guys, never had a problem getting laid and aren't acting like dickheads to everyone.

[j r]

The relationship between women and bad boys is a little bit like the relationships that people have with drugs. It's like those old anti-drug commercials, no one starts out wanting to become a crackhead. No woman starts out wanting to be a punching bag from some low-life or holding down a dude doing a fifteen-year bid up north, but some women are emotionally fucked up and just can't help themselves. And some women go their whole lives without giving bad boys any time.

Those are the extremes and most women fall somewhere in the middle. Either they fuck with bad boys while their young and then try to find a beta male to shack up with long term or they find a regular dude with some bad boy traits.

[Newb#3]

This is one of those threads that shows you the limitations of discussing game (or anything else, really) with others and expecting to learn something and improve. Especially online.

The thread was started by someone who actually was speaking empirically, you know, from real world observation. Then Neil agreed, also noting his EXPERIENCE and what he OBSERVED.

Of course most of the guys who are saying they're wrong, stupid, and even accusing them of being trolls are using some sort of theoretical rationalization of why girls go for bad boys -alpha traits, blah blah- and the one guy, a veteran poster, posted a picture of the biggest herb in the world, as if that represented what houston was referring to as an "artificial badboy".

It's completely true what they (houston, Neil, et al.) wrote. Most badboys do better than average with women from my observations as well, but not with attractive women. That could be from actually being more attractive or having lower standards. But who gives a shit, they're not doing that great anyway.

All that theory and rationalizing done by a few of the posters here is just an attempt to deny the truth. Face the facts, then act.

You're better off just learning how to talk to people in public settings and working on your looks, and lifestyle. All of these feed off of each other and are easy to improve in unison. You can find better sources for advice on these elsewhere than a game site. Or you can sit there theorizing on how bad boys get girls and what biological impulses cause that. But that's dumb as shit.

I actually think the best part of this site is probably the travel section, ironic since I barely read it. The rest is just distraction.

All the advice on making money is kind of lame -seriously, just work your way up to something good in your 20s while you can work that hard, and make good connection, none of that online be your own boss BS where you work your ass off to make what an entry level college grad at a big firm makes then maybe figure out a business to sell in that area if you can. If you fail, you still have a good job.

The best --as in, the most practical and immediately useful-- stuff you can glean from game/manosphere websites on women will take you maybe a couple of days of reading, the rest is intellectual masturbation and theorizing on whether this guys an alpha, or some crime against men..blah. Face the facts, then act.

The fitness advice...you're better off going onto actual fitness sites, and *GASP* testing things out for yourselves and adjusting as you go along.

SO yeah....I took a break from these kinds of sites for a couple of weeks and honestly lost nothing, in fact gained time and energy. I realize that was a good choice and I should have continued.

The information age is overrated. info really only has so much value, then it actually becomes a bad thing as you forget to think for yourself and learn by doing and experiencing.

Anyway, continue with the responses about how it's imperative that the female mates with the alpha bad-boys and men of power and strength and all that... no way just being a fun cool guy would work better.

[Timoteo]

(03-17-2013 04:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I don't believe in trying to emulate assholes and jerks. Those guys don't get girls because they are jerks, they get them because they are dominant, but you don't need to be an asshole to be a dominant male. I've always known alphas who are very cool guys, never had a problem getting laid and aren't acting like dickheads to everyone.

Very well said. I often think about his in the context of a couple of coaches - Bobby Knight and John Wooden. Knight was a notoriously foul-mouthed tyrant, who used intimidation to get what he wanted. He won 3 national titles, and his defenders point to that. He graduated his players, and they went on to be successful in whatever they went into. He worked tirelessly to raise money for the school to build libraries and other things that the students at the school benefited from. At the same time, few enjoyed being around him. He treated even the secretaries in the athletic office terribly, and ultimately, with bullies, someone gets you. Finally, someone sacked-up and told him his behavior wasn't acceptable. They took a no-tolerance stance towards him, and inevitably he mistreated someone and got run out, acting the victim all the way. Because he had a measure of success, he felt it justified him treating people poorly.

John Wooden won 10 national titles without raising his voice. He preached civility and comporting yourself a certain way. He instilled discipline, and garnered respect from all around him, and no one had a bad word to say about him. One great example was how he dealt with Bill Walton, a strong personality. Walton was a total child of the 60s - heavily into the protest and counter-culture movement. He spend his summers traveling around following the Greatful Dead and protesting shit, occasionally getting arrested. Bill returns to school in the fall for practice, and he's sporting a big, bushy beard. Wooden had a no facial hair rule. He instructs him to shave, but Walton responds that his freedom of expression is being infringed upon. Wooden responds, "William, I respect your opinion, and you'll be missed around here," or something to that effect. Walton went back into the locker room and shaved, and had to do it quickly because you had to be dressed and ready for practice at a particular time, or you had to run laps. He didn't curse or raise his voice, and didn't attempt to intimidate him physically. He merely stated the rules, and the consequences of not abiding by them. And Walton was a 3-time college player of the year, and had a couple of the greatest single-game performances in college basketball history. But he wouldn't have played had he not shaved. Until his death at age 99, he was revered, and more importantly, respected. His "Pyramid of Success" is still referenced by people in all walks of life. His players all graduated and went on to success in life also. I'd rather emulate Wooden.

[esperar]

If chicks really wanted nice guys, they would go to the local library to find dates because that's where they would be.

[Screwston]

(03-17-2013 06:30 PM)esperar Wrote:  

If chicks really wanted nice guys, they would go to the local library to find dates because that's where they would be.

Why aint they lining up at halfway houses then? Yall should get covered in tattoos and shaved heads if all girls love bad boys so much.

[Ensam]

Because they have a preference for guys who are good enough to not get caught.

[Screwston]

(03-17-2013 06:49 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Because they have a preference for guys who are good enough to not get caught.

You mean store bought bad boys?

[Ensam]

I'm just fucking with you.

I agree that most women don't actually want to be with a bad boy. The same way that most men don't actually want a stripper. They like the idea of it more than the actual thing.

[speakeasy]

(03-17-2013 06:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 04:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I don't believe in trying to emulate assholes and jerks. Those guys don't get girls because they are jerks, they get them because they are dominant, but you don't need to be an asshole to be a dominant male. I've always known alphas who are very cool guys, never had a problem getting laid and aren't acting like dickheads to everyone.

Very well said. I often think about his in the context of a couple of coaches - Bobby Knight and John Wooden. Knight was a notoriously foul-mouthed tyrant, who used intimidation to get what he wanted. He won 3 national titles, and his defenders point to that. He graduated his players, and they went on to be successful in whatever they went into. He worked tirelessly to raise money for the school to build libraries and other things that the students at the school benefited from. At the same time, few enjoyed being around him. He treated even the secretaries in the athletic office terribly, and ultimately, with bullies, someone gets you. Finally, someone sacked-up and told him his behavior wasn't acceptable. They took a no-tolerance stance towards him, and inevitably he mistreated someone and got run out, acting the victim all the way. Because he had a measure of success, he felt it justified him treating people poorly.

John Wooden won 10 national titles without raising his voice. He preached civility and comporting yourself a certain way. He instilled discipline, and garnered respect from all around him, and no one had a bad word to say about him. One great example was how he dealt with Bill Walton, a strong personality. Walton was a total child of the 60s - heavily into the protest and counter-culture movement. He spend his summers traveling around following the Greatful Dead and protesting shit, occasionally getting arrested. Bill returns to school in the fall for practice, and he's sporting a big, bushy beard. Wooden had a no facial hair rule. He instructs him to shave, but Walton responds that his freedom of expression is being infringed upon. Wooden responds, "William, I respect your opinion, and you'll be missed around here," or something to that effect. Walton went back into the locker room and shaved, and had to do it quickly because you had to be dressed and ready for practice at a particular time, or you had to run laps. He didn't curse or raise his voice, and didn't attempt to intimidate him physically. He merely stated the rules, and the consequences of not abiding by them. And Walton was a 3-time college player of the year, and had a couple of the greatest single-game performances in college basketball history. But he wouldn't have played had he not shaved. Until his death at age 99, he was revered, and more importantly, respected. His "Pyramid of Success" is still referenced by people in all walks of life. His players all graduated and went on to success in life also. I'd rather emulate Wooden.

Good example. I'm also reminded of Phil Jackson, one of the most successful yet cool and collected coaches I've seen. And the late Jerry Buss. Totally alpha, vast fortune and accomplishments, banged 20 something chics up till his death, yet he was known to be a really cool guy at the same time. And then of course Richard Branson, you can't get more alpha and he's the archetype of the cool guy super alpha. People don't follow him because they fear him, they follow him because they want to be him.

[Timoteo]

(03-17-2013 08:41 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 06:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 04:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I don't believe in trying to emulate assholes and jerks. Those guys don't get girls because they are jerks, they get them because they are dominant, but you don't need to be an asshole to be a dominant male. I've always known alphas who are very cool guys, never had a problem getting laid and aren't acting like dickheads to everyone.

Very well said. I often think about his in the context of a couple of coaches - Bobby Knight and John Wooden. Knight was a notoriously foul-mouthed tyrant, who used intimidation to get what he wanted. He won 3 national titles, and his defenders point to that. He graduated his players, and they went on to be successful in whatever they went into. He worked tirelessly to raise money for the school to build libraries and other things that the students at the school benefited from. At the same time, few enjoyed being around him. He treated even the secretaries in the athletic office terribly, and ultimately, with bullies, someone gets you. Finally, someone sacked-up and told him his behavior wasn't acceptable. They took a no-tolerance stance towards him, and inevitably he mistreated someone and got run out, acting the victim all the way. Because he had a measure of success, he felt it justified him treating people poorly.

John Wooden won 10 national titles without raising his voice. He preached civility and comporting yourself a certain way. He instilled discipline, and garnered respect from all around him, and no one had a bad word to say about him. One great example was how he dealt with Bill Walton, a strong personality. Walton was a total child of the 60s - heavily into the protest and counter-culture movement. He spend his summers traveling around following the Greatful Dead and protesting shit, occasionally getting arrested. Bill returns to school in the fall for practice, and he's sporting a big, bushy beard. Wooden had a no facial hair rule. He instructs him to shave, but Walton responds that his freedom of expression is being infringed upon. Wooden responds, "William, I respect your opinion, and you'll be missed around here," or something to that effect. Walton went back into the locker room and shaved, and had to do it quickly because you had to be dressed and ready for practice at a particular time, or you had to run laps. He didn't curse or raise his voice, and didn't attempt to intimidate him physically. He merely stated the rules, and the consequences of not abiding by them. And Walton was a 3-time college player of the year, and had a couple of the greatest single-game performances in college basketball history. But he wouldn't have played had he not shaved. Until his death at age 99, he was revered, and more importantly, respected. His "Pyramid of Success" is still referenced by people in all walks of life. His players all graduated and went on to success in life also. I'd rather emulate Wooden.

Good example. I'm also reminded of Phil Jackson, one of the most successful yet cool and collected coaches I've seen. And the late Jerry Buss. Totally alpha, vast fortune and accomplishments, banged 20 something chics up till his death, yet he was known to be a really cool guy at the same time. And then of course Richard Branson, you can't get more alpha and he's the archetype of the cool guy super alpha. People don't follow him because they fear him, they follow him because they want to be him.

Dr. Buss is a major reason why Magic Johnson headed down the path he did as a businessman. Magic, though you wouldn't have known it to hear him speak back then, is a very intelligent man. He came to Buss when he first came to the Lakers and asked him to mentor him in business. He was already thinking about his post-playing career. Buss mentored him, and over the years plugged him into his own network of people.

With men like Branson, it's what his lifestyle embodies that pulls people into his orbit. He's not only an outstanding businessman, but a visionary that lives fearlessly. He doesn't fear risk. And yeah...he does it without being a dick to people. You can't be successful and be weak - I'm sure he commands respect in his own way, but people definitely want to be around him. I question whether or not people feel the same way about say...Donald Trump. The Donald seems to be the kind of guy that has to always get the attention by DEMANDING you look and/or listen. Branson just does his thing, and if you want, you can follow along and watch.

[jaakkeli]

Women love a bad boy but badness is relative. The bad boy cannot be bad in a way that puts the guy outside their social set.

The teenage daughter of a billionaire going to a super uptight elite private school might think a boy is a "bad boy" if he wears shoes from a rebellious label and doesn't tuck his shirt. A thug with prison tattoos would be completely outside her experience and not even nearly someone she could bring to meet her friends so she won't even consider him. Even if she thinks he's hot he'll probably have no chance - women are not like men and they routinely reject sex with even guys that they consider "hot" if the other conditions are not right.

And then of course the teenage boy that is a "bad boy" for a 13-year-old girl would just be a silly immature teenage boy for most 21-year-old women. The bad boy of the court room will impress the lawyer chicks at his firm but to a stripper he will be just a lawyer who makes so and so much $ per year. Badness within one sphere doesn't immediately translate to others and most girls go with a guy from their own sphere. The way to appeal to a chick is to be like all the other guys in her world but to be the baddest of them.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Even if this were true (and I contend that it is not - being a bad boy is its own kind of value), it would still be merely a difference of degree, not of a kind. Sure, she won't get wet for a murderer or explicit psychopath, but she will squeal with delight at how he makes constant fun of her, physically escalates strongly, and doesn't take her seriously as a person, behaviours which are signals of psychopathy that no "nice guy" would ever have.

[liberman]

In a woman's mind

Bad boy= an exciting,witty,spontaneous,dangerous,interesting,funny,good looking,tall,strong,dominant kind of guy who is slightly abusive (in a good way) to her, always in control (but not in a predictable way),extremely rough and powerful in the bedroom (but not so much that it really hurts) and emotionally unavailable to every girl except her (after a reasonable amount of time with her) and once in a while does nice things for her (just to let her know she might eventually be able to change him).

Nice guy= a predictable,boring,weak,needy,average looking,desperate kind of guy who is polite (in a creepy way),eager to help (in a annoying transparent sex motive kind of way),submissive and awkward in the bedroom and will always be waiting for her to finally decide that he is the one to spend the rest of her life with.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-18-2013 05:05 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

Women love a bad boy but badness is relative. The bad boy cannot be bad in a way that puts the guy outside their social set.

The teenage daughter of a billionaire going to a super uptight elite private school might think a boy is a "bad boy" if he wears shoes from a rebellious label and doesn't tuck his shirt. A thug with prison tattoos would be completely outside her experience and not even nearly someone she could bring to meet her friends so she won't even consider him. Even if she thinks he's hot he'll probably have no chance - women are not like men and they routinely reject sex with even guys that they consider "hot" if the other conditions are not right.

And then of course the teenage boy that is a "bad boy" for a 13-year-old girl would just be a silly immature teenage boy for most 21-year-old women. The bad boy of the court room will impress the lawyer chicks at his firm but to a stripper he will be just a lawyer who makes so and so much $ per year. Badness within one sphere doesn't immediately translate to others and most girls go with a guy from their own sphere. The way to appeal to a chick is to be like all the other guys in her world but to be the baddest of them.

This is sort of what I ment when I wrote years ago what Houston referenced in the original post.

[jammer]

(03-17-2013 06:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Very well said. I often think about his in the context of a couple of coaches - Bobby Knight and John Wooden. Knight was a notoriously foul-mouthed tyrant, who used intimidation to get what he wanted. He won 3 national titles, and his defenders point to that. He graduated his players, and they went on to be successful in whatever they went into. He worked tirelessly to raise money for the school to build libraries and other things that the students at the school benefited from. At the same time, few enjoyed being around him. He treated even the secretaries in the athletic office terribly, and ultimately, with bullies, someone gets you. Finally, someone sacked-up and told him his behavior wasn't acceptable. They took a no-tolerance stance towards him, and inevitably he mistreated someone and got run out, acting the victim all the way. Because he had a measure of success, he felt it justified him treating people poorly.

John Wooden won 10 national titles without raising his voice. He preached civility and comporting yourself a certain way. He instilled discipline, and garnered respect from all around him, and no one had a bad word to say about him. One great example was how he dealt with Bill Walton, a strong personality. Walton was a total child of the 60s - heavily into the protest and counter-culture movement. He spend his summers traveling around following the Greatful Dead and protesting shit, occasionally getting arrested. Bill returns to school in the fall for practice, and he's sporting a big, bushy beard. Wooden had a no facial hair rule. He instructs him to shave, but Walton responds that his freedom of expression is being infringed upon. Wooden responds, "William, I respect your opinion, and you'll be missed around here," or something to that effect. Walton went back into the locker room and shaved, and had to do it quickly because you had to be dressed and ready for practice at a particular time, or you had to run laps. He didn't curse or raise his voice, and didn't attempt to intimidate him physically. He merely stated the rules, and the consequences of not abiding by them. And Walton was a 3-time college player of the year, and had a couple of the greatest single-game performances in college basketball history. But he wouldn't have played had he not shaved. Until his death at age 99, he was revered, and more importantly, respected. His "Pyramid of Success" is still referenced by people in all walks of life. His players all graduated and went on to success in life also. I'd rather emulate Wooden.

Reminds me of Tony Dungy. He never had to curse or raise his voice, yet his players respected and loved him. You can be good without having to be a jerk. You just have to make sure you don't let people run all over you if you go with the nice route.

[AneroidOcean]

(03-16-2013 11:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

I always see guys on here saying girls like bad boys. Most don't. Gmanifesto has a quote somewhere that says they want "artificial, store bought bad boys" or some shit like that. Basically guys who get covered in tattoos, try to act hard and would be crying like a baby if they went to jail or prison. Guys who look talk the talk but will never walk the walk.

99% of girls want nothing to do with someone who sells drugs, is in and out of prison or can't hold down a regular job. Don't try to be a douchebag bad boy because you heard some guys say they like it.

Houston, this is a classic case of calibration. When people talk generally about women wanting bad boys it's in COMPARISON to a pushover nice guy who would end up in the LJBF category with almost all women. You're just arguing against a strawman because you're not putting it into context. See the definitions and the examples below. If you don't think that most women would choose the former vs the latter (actual choice, not what they SAY they would choose), then that's a bit nuts:

(03-18-2013 05:52 AM)liberman Wrote:  

In a woman's mind

Bad boy= an exciting,witty,spontaneous,dangerous,interesting,funny,good looking,tall,strong,dominant kind of guy who is slightly abusive (in a good way) to her, always in control (but not in a predictable way),extremely rough and powerful in the bedroom (but not so much that it really hurts) and emotionally unavailable to every girl except her (after a reasonable amount of time with her) and once in a while does nice things for her (just to let her know she might eventually be able to change him).

Nice guy= a predictable,boring,weak,needy,average looking,desperate kind of guy who is polite (in a creepy way),eager to help (in a annoying transparent sex motive kind of way),submissive and awkward in the bedroom and will always be waiting for her to finally decide that he is the one to spend the rest of her life with.

I was the nice guy and I've observed plenty of my friends who are bad with women as well as good with women. The confidence, the non-needyness, the dominance, even the ability to be a dick, win over girls way, way, way more than the men who lack that but are otherwise decent men with highly successful careers, in great physical shape, and good looking.

The more a bad boy I've become, the more women I can bed or get into a relationship with at any one time. I have my nice guy traits too, but without some bad boyish traits, I would've never landed a tenth of the women I've dated.

(03-17-2013 12:36 AM)little wing Wrote:  

Could you PLEASE start using the enter key on your keyboard?

Girls definitely like bad boys. Look how Anthony Soprano got so much tail

Actually, it was the huge width on his image, not his use (or lack thereof) of a return carriage. This forum word wraps long lines just like nearly every other forum in the universe.

Then you post that Anthony Soprano (a fictional character) got a lot of tail as evidence that girls like bad boys. Great post!

[PhilE]

(03-16-2013 11:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

I always see guys on here saying girls like bad boys. Most don't. Gmanifesto has a quote somewhere that says they want "artificial, store bought bad boys" or some shit like that. Basically guys who get covered in tattoos, try to act hard and would be crying like a baby if they went to jail or prison. Guys who look talk the talk but will never walk the walk.

99% of girls want nothing to do with someone who sells drugs, is in and out of prison or can't hold down a regular job. Don't try to be a douchebag bad boy because you heard some guys say they like it.

You must not be talking about the urban (read black) community.

Smart Black Girls and Thugs

[esperar]

(03-17-2013 06:43 PM)houston Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 06:30 PM)esperar Wrote:  

If chicks really wanted nice guys, they would go to the local library to find dates because that's where they would be.

Why aint they lining up at halfway houses then? Yall should get covered in tattoos and shaved heads if all girls love bad boys so much.

There are lots of different ways to define a bad boy. I would consider you to be a "bad boy" when compared to the average guy, and from what you have told us, you seem to be plowing through chicks.

[Aliblahba]

(03-17-2013 12:21 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 11:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

I always see guys on here saying girls like bad boys. Most don't. Gmanifesto has a quote somewhere that says they want "artificial, store bought bad boys" or some shit like that. Basically guys who get covered in tattoos, try to act hard and would be crying like a baby if they went to jail or prison. Guys who look talk the talk but will never walk the walk.

99% of girls want nothing to do with someone who sells drugs, is in and out of prison or can't hold down a regular job. Don't try to be a douchebag bad boy because you heard some guys say they like it.

The average convict is getting far more tail than the average IT geek. Women are attracted to the traits that bad boys posses, its just the way it is. Dominance, indifference, masculinity, aggression, etc.

I have always believed though that women are more into "types". Its just part of the social pressure they feel and women are drawn to men that embody a specific type of guy that they feel adds some sort of social value or validation for them.

That could be a biker. A musician. A fat cat. A surfer.

This dude



will get more pussy than this dude

From experience, I think part of it too is rebellion and daddy issues. I banged plenty of "innocent" college girls by putting them on the back of a Harley. Some of these never wanted to be seen around their friends, but secretly live out some fantasy.

Biker, military, brawler, rockstar, ect groupies do it for different reasons, but we'll ALWAYS get more tail than the Bill Gate guys out there. The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

An advantage is to these girls is they have a tendency to not be so ltr clingy. Their in for a fling and bounce.

[Screwston]

(03-20-2013 09:44 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

[Screwston]

[soup]

Rape is the number one fantasy that women have.

Does that mean they actually want to get raped?

They do want to feel like the guy could rape them at any moment. This is, I believe, part of the appeal of the bad boy. It's that sense of danger, and being completely submissive to a dominating force that excites them. It's the man who isn't controlled by any force of nature. The badboy is a force of nature.

Girls get turned on in their minds. Their imaginations are the best place to direct your game. You don't have to be a bad boy, she just has to think you are a badboy, or even that you could be one and aren't letting her know about it.

Here's Julia Roberts getting turned on by the "raw thrill" of being dominated by an uncontrollable force of nature.

[Aliblahba]

(03-20-2013 10:49 AM)houston Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 09:44 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The reason guys on here claim girls don't like bad boys is because they are far from that level, and are jealous.

I wonder if they make hamster wheels for people with shorter strides?