[Teedub]

One of my best friends has recently come back from travelling. He went through South America, Oz, New Zealand and Asia over 18 months. He's always been a player since the first time I met him.

I told him yesterday about my discovering game, and he said he'd heard of it but taken no interest in it. In fact, he laughed, as another of our mutual friends had mentioned the book 'The Game' to him years ago, and he was surprised I was only just bringing it up now.

Myself and my other mate (there was a couple of us having a curry) proceeded to explain some fundamentals to him, and we deduced that the things we were discussing were things he does naturally.

I mentioned that it has to be said that chatting a girl up in the street is impressive by any standard, and he retorted that he does this on a regular basis and that it isn't really a big deal.

His point - stop giving a fuck, and just do it. That was his main point. We mentioned DHVing as the primary point in game, and it appears that he did this primarily by, yep, not giving a fuck and putting this across.

Anyway, my point in starting this thread was to see what, if there is one, is the main point you see as being vital in 'game'.

Mine is, stop caring and just doing. Stop caring how a girl will react in the approach. It's basic, I know, but it will be helpful to newbies and is a fundamental aspect to naturals.

They just don't place value on women, and see it as a trivial matter.

[XXL]

Having a good time. I always ask myself how can I make this fun, for me and girl(s).

Not caring is tricky one cause everyone cares in the end about different things. You can't be care free 100%. But when you just have fun with this everything starts to click.

[soup]

You can't just say stop giving a fuck and have a good time.

That's what almost every guy does.

They go out to have a "good time" and hope to get lucky.

"Stop giving a fuck" and then what? Get fat, don't dress well, etc. ?

It's one of those deceptively simple phrases that get thrown around like "just be yourself"

Just goes to show that naturals have no idea what they are doing.

[Teedub]

^ I think what he meant, was not to give a fuck about what women think. Just be yourself, and don't alter your behaviour based on what women want, that's all.

[BarkChompson]

He means thinking with your dick and not your brain. Stop caring as in stop your brain from second guessing your dick. Your dick knows best.

[Frontenac]

Yeah, I think his point was not caring if the person rejects or accepts you, or if they are a hot girl or whatever. By not caring, I know I'd be more willing to approach more girls. It's something that takes a lot of time to wrap your head around though. I don't think he means not caring about yourself (ie. appearance), but just with respect to this.

[Samseau]

(03-15-2013 08:02 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

^ I think what he meant, was not to give a fuck about what women think.

This is the best lesson I could give to any man. Get rid of the "just be yourself" bullshit, because you definitely want to change your behavior based on what results you get from women (i.e. more bangs or less bangs).

[WesternCancer]

(03-15-2013 06:19 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Anyway, my point in starting this thread was to see what, if there is one, is the main point you see as being vital in 'game'.

I'd have to say: never expect a woman to do any of the work in game. If you want her do whatever you can to get it, don't hesitate and don't care what she thinks.

[XXL]

There is no best piece of game advice. It all depends on the stage you're at.

A random shy guy has no context/experience to understand what a natural means by saying to not give a fuck and just have a blast. It's like telling an American to be Chinese now. I guess the best solution is to acknowledge where you at, set some practical goals and baby step it from there. Then it gets to the point where cliche "be yourself" or "just be cool bro" suggestions are the most practical ones.

As for universal what to do then I'd say.. GO IN HARD & LEAD. With good voice, eye contact, BL attraction takes care of itself, cold approach interactions don't hook when the approach is not assertive enough. Then it comes down to leading the interaction to make it happen, leading the conversation, leading her physically, dealing with bullshit along the way, handling logistics, leading sexually in bed. Guys who actually close the deals they don't worry about some pickup rules and do what works. They take the girl's hand and go for the kill.

Game is trivially simple. It's just as hobbyist we tend to massively complicate it with all those fancy shmancy tactics

[Screwston]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4163.html

[guerrilla]

yeah you know there's two types of girls in daygame:

those who think you're a freak for making small talk with them since they "don't know you"

and then there's those who like small talk and meeting new people.

There are borderline cases as well that are somewhere between the two.

For those that think you're a freak for making small talk, it's very important not to take it personal like you're invading a divine sense of space that has been preordained from the gods above. I don't try to "convert" them either to making polite. In fact, sometimes I'll just poke fun at them for being so impolite and then carry on elsewhere.

The chicks who are open to small talk are cool. The borderline ones - depending on how heavy they lean on "I don't know you don't talk to me" or "hey I might be open to conversation if you're quick on the feet" - then I pursue or don't pursue.

[Nomad77]

A "natural" is the product of years of experience interacting with women. Him saying not to care is like Kobe saying oh, just shoot the ball and it will go in don't think about it too much. There is no substitute for experience and you have to crawl before you can walk then run. Just because someone is good with women does not mean he will be a good teacher. The best coaches in the world were never the best players. When you see a "natural" in action what you are seeing is the product of years of experience. To believe you can just emulate him is the same as believing you can just go on a court and make that shot the same way Kobe can.