[JayJuanGee]

(10-28-2013 11:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

[quote] (10-23-2013 11:24 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

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So how many girls do yiu approach if you go through a Philippine mall?
I have NOT yet been to Phils, but I am projecting to travel there in February 2014.

THe money's rolling in here at Old Guy Ike's Norcal outpost, and late winter 2014 looks good on the horizon.

Maybe we can get a high end multibedroom tower apartment in the best part of Manila and kill the Best Phil girls with thigh gaps. One thing is I cannot at all deal with tobacco in my environment.

IKE:

There may be some possibilities, and you are probably correct that if a guy shares some expenses, then he may be able to get better and fancier digs.

A problem, however, is the extent to which those kinds of geographical interests will overlap between guys of similar interests. My early reconnaissance trip to the Phils will probably be two months in February and March. Then my second reconnaissance trip will probably be about 5-6 months (starting in about August). Thereafter, I would probably, into perpetuity continue to have trips of 5-6 months in length.

Initially, I am considering Manila, Cebu and Davao, at least for the potential of establishing a base location; however, at this point, I am NOT sure yet about how much I would want to stay in one location for too long. I was thinking possibly a month or two in each location and just keep rotating locations, including rotating out of the Phils to other inexpensive SEA locations. However, it may be better to NOT live out of a suitcase, and establish more of a base to have a few more extensive items beyond the 25 kilos or whatever that is allowed for travelling.

In that regard, concerning having a base, it seems that Manila has a lot of variety – which would make it an exciting city, and especially have greater potential for a diversification of chicks, including potential access to the higher class chicks.

I still have some transitional issues in the USA that I am trying to wrap up and to get my affairs in good order, and my various transitional issues may affect the exact dates of my tentative travel plans.

Regarding your comment on smoking. I think we are becoming a little spoiled in the USA. I don’t smoke either, and I prefer not having it in the house or even in bars. However, there tend to be a shit-load of people outside of the California that are smoking their asses off. I don’t know how to get around that, and I am thinking that it is just another one of those things that will need to be tolerated to some extent.

(10-28-2013 11:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I've actually looked into the nursing schools ranking there, it could be a good strategy to try to find nurses as a targeted mission. Probably less likely to hit you on the head for her crackhead boyfriend. Right now I'm trying to find a remarkable girl to be my main one.

Actually for a variety of reasons, including several of the ones that you described, I have considerable attraction for targeting educated girls, and frequently nurses are quite good and high on my list of preferences for me too. Actually, in the USA, as well, I tend to gravitate towards educated girls, and I tend to like nurses. On the other hand, for the purposes of banging, I would NOT screen girls very much, but education does seem to help no matter what in order to avoid some of the seemingly inevitable drama that goes along with banging girls – especially when a guy starts to repeatedly bang the same girl(s).

Personally, I am more inclined to try to play the field for a while in my travels to SEA, maybe 5 to 8 years, and I am thinking that even when I settle down, the settling may be more towards the direction trying to maintain a harem of 3 or so girls… Yet, I also understand the logistical difficulties of trying to pull this kind off this kind of thing. In the past, I have frequently been bitten when I am trying to juggle girls, and probably, I need to work on my techniques to cause less work and/or drama for me when I am trying to accomplish some kind of juggling system.

I understand that my considerations of a 5-8 year playtime may NOT be as practical for a guy in his 50s, such as yourself. Maybe are considering playing the field for less than a year, or do you have a projected timeline?

I am of the opinion, however, given some of your stated objectives that you would NOT want to disclose many of the details of your long-term intentions to various girls that you end up meeting – even though you have a long-term plan in your head which involves working a LTR in the Phils for a couple of years and then transporting the girl to the USA. Yeah, it is a bit risky to plan to bring the girl to the USA; however, you seem to have a fairly decent planned approach to lessen certain flight risks that may exist with obtaining the younger girls (and or the age gap between you and targeted girls).

(10-28-2013 11:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I've done character evaluations for a living--hundreds of them-- and knowing about someone's education is a huge help in evaluating their character.

1) It's verifiable, you can see her diploma and ID. It can't easily be faked.
2) It samples a long period of behavior.
3) It shows a willingness to do what she's told. If you alienate ONE prof in a required course, it can sink you.
Means agreeableness is fairly high.
4) If her grades are high and it's a reputable school, it shows she has a certain level of intelligence.
5) It shows a certain level of physical robustness, if she's always able to study hard, it means she wasn't seriously sick all the time.

Someone with a high grades from a top school in nursing has been doing exactly as she's told for years, maybe over a decade. This is why many elite companies -- Wall street parasites for instance, but wealthy parasites--only recruit from certain schools. You might get an underachiever like George Bush out from Harvard Biz School, but most of the people you find will be very hard working and reliable if they are your ally.

Overall I think that you are correct, and in this regard, it is good to know various profile considerations and propensities that come from various profiles – and you may NOT be willing to take certain risks on some of the girls that do NOT have a certain track record… I definitely see the value in taking into account those kinds of considerations.

(10-28-2013 11:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Below's a web site that lists stats and even names. Think of the massive screening they've done for you!

"16,219 out of 37,887 pass June 2013 NLE; List of Passers (A-L)"
http://goo.gl/ffjFEV

You may have noticed from the website that there are three nursing schools tied for number one and several of the top nursing schools are in or near Cebu, … though the Manila area has several, too…. Though I am NOT sure about the location of all of the schools listed in that top ten ranking.. but it seems to be a good resource for figuring out where nurses from quality schools are at.. and NOT a bad idea to target the nurses from quality schools for potential longer term relations (along with banging other girls on the side).

Another thing about nursing is that the career can be quite mobile, and I am NOT sure about your considerations regarding whether you want a “wifey” (he he he I could not resist) that is still working or planning to work?

(10-28-2013 11:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

To me however, I don't think I could be stimulated enough intellectually in tje Phils-- the most talented people are in 1st world countries-- that's why they're first world countries.

You may be correct about some of the potential for lower quality of intellectual stimulation in the Phils, but you may be overrating the quality of intellectual stimulation opportunities anyhow in the first world. For example, when thinking about low quality, there are and probably will continue to be a lot of really smart people in the west that are using their brains for stupid ass purposes.. They have NOT travelled and they have xenophobic views of the world. Sometimes, people in other countries are much more “real” than people in the USA. Take for example, The Tea Party aficionados and their likes. Some of these guys who are adopting some of the ideas of the party are fairly smart, but they have certain deep flaws in their mental framework and are too stubborn to realize that their whole view of the world is screwing up their thinking (whether that is xenophobia or America-centric thinking or anti-govt thinking), and these real smart guys get manipulated by perverted logic of Fox News or whatever variations of that group think, and it is nearly impossible to get through to some of these guys because they are so self-righteous. I have some relatives who think like this, and sometimes when we try to have some of these conversations, it becomes impossible and I do NOT call it intellectual, exactly, even though they are real smart people other than some of their narrowness that pervades their thoughts and interactions with people – and sometimes even being filled with hate of a lot of others that is subconscious. For the next 20-30 years, these kinds of guys are gonna continue to reside in the first world, and maybe we cannot escape them no matter where we go but I imagine that they will NOT be as prevalent in the Phils.. maybe just a different kind of ignorance and craziness if we chose to hang out with expats in those locations.

Also, do you really think that in our elderly years we are going to be needing a certrain kind of intellectual stimulation? Possibly? Maybe that depends on our hobby, if playing bridge or chess or whatever, and I am sure that there are intellectually stimulating circles in Phils or other SEA locations.

In the end, I suspect that you may be seeking something else, rather than intellectual stimulation.. maybe you are seeking an anticipated sense of belonging or something, which is not a bad thing – considering that we may be moving to live outside of our home country? Nonetheless, that sense of belonging or whatever it is may also evolve and develop in another location besides having to come back to the USA in order to achieve it…

Likely, each of us consider sense of belonging and/or purpose differently, and maybe when I am in my 50s whatever, I may be exploring more considerations like yours?

(10-28-2013 11:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'd like to get a good girl there and keep her there until she is unmarketable with like 2 kids, then maybe bring her to the US.

One thing I can see is that getting young chicks in USA for me is a BIG problem... I'm trolling SeekingArrangement right now, with real pics but a phony age of late 40's , and even when I'm willing to PAY these chicks to fuck they're not writing me back.

Yeah, I have this same problem, and I think even if you play the game well, there are a variety of built-in problems in getting and/or maintaining relations with younger girls in the USA - social stigmas and opportunities and even a relative shortage of attractive women that gives the girls even more bargaining power than they deserve. You know a good reason for war is to get rid of some young men who are competing for the attention of these young women. He he he..

I am NOT trying to be a hater of young men or a war advocate… On the other hand, the young guys blame the old folks for offering to pay the young girls and spoiling them… so there is plenty of blame to go around.. and another reason to find a place with better supply and demand… and for us old foggies that is SEA or some similar location.

[Paul B]

(10-29-2013 04:15 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Additionally, it seems to me that you share several values of guys on this forum (such as the desire to spend time meeting and banging girls); however, I am also open to PM, if you would feel more comfortable NOT sharing some information publicly.

Sure, ask away, but fair warning: I'm not really into club game as much as most guys here seem to be. I have something like 250 notches, which isn't that impressive given how long I've been here (that's less than one new girl a week, on average), and I'd say 90% of them have been from online.

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I would NOT consider managing your two rental properties to be “retirement,”

My situation is a bit complicated but you're right. Only when I get long term renters will I considered myself truly retired (collecting rent checks is about as passive as can be, in my opinion).

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Without necessarily getting into your particulars, how much investment capital would you say that a guy would need to have to be able to own and rent three properties in Manila or another part of the Phils, in a similar situation like you have $250,000 - $400,000? In this regard, the goal would to be able to generate a fairly steady $1,000 + per month income?

I did it with less and had money left to spare, but I got in at a good time I think. Most of the newer condo developments here don't seem like very good investments so you'll likely have to shop around a bit before you find something worthwhile.

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Sometimes guys will wonder about investing in property in a third world country

Those are valid concerns. I always recommend people to spend a year minimum in a country before making any significant investments... I didn't do so until Year 3.

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That seems to be one of the perks of basing oneself in the Phils is the geographical logistics and being able to periodically bounce to several nearby and fairly exotic locations for a fairly inexpensive trips. You said that you want to travel more, so at this time are you travelling in the area a few times a year?

Yep. Next month, a couple of buddies and I are planning to hit up Laguna (just an hour south) to check out the hot springs and the Republic Wakepark for wakeboarding. If anyone here wants to join, send me a PM!

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I would imagine that there is more food variety in a big cities like Manila, and I hear that Cebu has a lot of Koreans, so may be some Korean food there.. and Davao has a china town, so maybe some good Chinese food there?

I found that Cebu is inferior to Manila in almost every way, food being no exception.

[Bill]

Paul,

great info. So how does it work with visa? I read you have to pay around 80 dollars per month. Are there another options for not so old guys for permanent residence?

Do you made friends there or did some came with you?
- 250+ notches are fantastic. I am here in a pussy desert for example. You are living the dream as it seems.

How do you come to terms with the weather? Are there cooler places maybe near mountains where one does not feel bad that much?

Wakeboarding sounds nice, have fun. I need some years to have the guts to go to the Philis, let´s see.

[Paul B]

Visa expenses are about $45 a month via tourist visa extensions (renewed every two months or six months, up to 16 months total = roughly 20,310 PHP a year plus $50 ACR). This is actually more cost effective than the retirement visa.

If you want cooler weather, you may want to consider Baguio. Personally I don't mind the weather here in Manila. I got used to the heat and humidity pretty quick. I'm in my air conditioned room most of the day, and when I go out, it's at the mall or some other place that's air conditioned. Rainy season does suck though, it gets pretty bad in August and September.

[Bill]

Thanks Paul, 45 dollar is really ok, this is good news.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguio

Baguio is also a great info. They have a perfect climate (for me). As I like doing a lot of outdoor sports like running and basketball, these temperatures would be perfect. Heat and sport don´t go well.

Low cost of living is also mentioned. Baguio was the winter capital of the Philis. Very interesting all in all.

[Sp5]

(10-29-2013 10:32 AM)Bill Wrote:  

Thanks Paul, 45 dollar is really ok, this is good news.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguio

Baguio is also a great info. They have a perfect climate (for me). As I like doing a lot of outdoor sports like running and basketball, these temperatures would be perfect. Heat and sport don´t go well.

Low cost of living is also mentioned. Baguio was the winter capital of the Philis. Very interesting all in all.

I loved Baguio, nice small city with a U of the Philippines branch and several English language schools. I saw Korean and African foreign students there talked to some girls from Ghana. It also had some good music clubs. Interesting big traditional-style market, and of course a mall. Seven hours by bus from Manila on Victory Liner, with free Wifi, about 700 PHP if you take the luxury bus (three seats across instead of four).

Baguio was built by the Americans as a summer capital and Rest & Recreation spot to escape the heat in Manila. There was a U.S. military base there until 1991.

I was up in the hills there and the clouds were drifting below me.

+1 to Paul B for the information and background.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-29-2013 07:09 AM)Paul B Wrote:  

...........fair warning: I'm not really into club game as much as most guys here seem to be.

Actually, there seems to be quite a few guys that are NOT so much interested in clubbing. Personally, I am interested in mostly day game, and clubbing, only so much as it involves salsa dancing, and even then i am NOT sure b/c some clubs just might NOT have the kind of salsa dancing that would be of interest to me. I like space and good lighting and good sound and smoke free - so I may be pricing myself out of that market.

(10-29-2013 07:09 AM)Paul B Wrote:  

I have something like 250 notches, which isn't that impressive given how long I've been here (that's less than one new girl a week, on average), and I'd say 90% of them have been from online.

Yep, talking about girls and gaming possibilities is definitely an area of interest for guys on this forum and probably a never ending stream of possible discussions could arise from discussing various pick up venues and pick up styles and quality of girls.
Averaging one new notch a week seems to be a decent rate, especially, if you are engaged in other productive activities that may be taking up some of your time. Online pick up seems to be, potentially, a very passive form – though it probably can take some time to send messages back and forth before getting a meet up, yet it seems that better quality girls may come from in-person methods, no? Unless, you have real attractive pics or something? I suppose just having a white pic will generate quite a bit of interest from Phil birds? BTW, your profile does NOT say what your race is, and that could make a difference for game and method in the Phils, I suppose? Are you Caucasian?

(10-29-2013 07:09 AM)Paul B Wrote:  

My situation is a bit complicated but you're right. Only when I get long term renters will I considered myself truly retired (collecting rent checks is about as passive as can be, in my opinion).

I would consider investment in various stock index funds to be a lot more passive than real estate, unless your real estate investment also includes a sufficient enough profit that you can have a reliable property manager taking care of everything. So for example with an investment portfolio, a guy may only have to monitor it maybe a few hours a week and maybe a little bit of redistribution and considerations of switching investment vehicles, from time to time.
On the other hand, actual property has so many possibilities to convert from passive to active and on an ongoing basis. O.k. if you are regularly collecting rents and that is your ONLY activity, and there is no drama involved in that (with good long term tenants, as you suggested), then sure, that may be fairly passive. However, there are a lot more considerations involved with owning and managing property.. and I would NOT fool myself with any such assertions that the vehicle is passive. And, the maintenance of the property, for example, in a place like Manila must NOT be an easy thing because from my understanding you got extreme weather and potential for water damage and even extreme and frequent earthquakes, no?

There may be methods to minimize your involvement with the property, and I think that has to do with getting reliable people or companies in place of you to do it all, and hope that they are NOT screwing you out of your profits in some way, which it seems possible to arrange such, if you have a mutual profiting system that provides you confidence that the manager is profiting sufficiently that he is NOT gonna screw you...

(10-29-2013 07:09 AM)Paul B Wrote:  

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Without necessarily getting into your particulars, how much investment capital would you say that a guy would need to have to be able to own and rent three properties in Manila or another part of the Phils, in a similar situation like you have $250,000 - $400,000? In this regard, the goal would to be able to generate a fairly steady $1,000 + per month income?

I did it with less and had money left to spare, but I got in at a good time I think. Most of the newer condo developments here don't seem like very good investments so you'll likely have to shop around a bit before you find something worthwhile.

Seems like the investment range that I provided may be in the ballpark to provide the range of profits that are being considered?

(10-29-2013 07:09 AM)Paul B Wrote:  

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Sometimes guys will wonder about investing in property in a third world country

Those are valid concerns. I always recommend people to spend a year minimum in a country before making any significant investments... I didn't do so until Year 3.

I agree that it seems to be a good idea to get to know the lay of the land before plunging into any investment, and also a guy would have to consider his own existing investment package, so if he is already diversified in his investments in other ways and already generating a sufficient passive income from those other investments, he may be able to take more risk and invest more quickly (that potentially ties into investment knowledge and experience, as well).

[Paul B]

A quick note about online dating in the Phils before I hit the sack: there's a HUGE learning curve. It took me a long time to figure out what works and what doesn't. I've experimented with countless openers and routines, and had to learn the hard way how to avoid scammers, gold diggers, fakes, ladyboys, etc. Over the years I've gotten four death threats, a few stalkers, and a bunch of fucking psychos who were crazy in their own way.

I just wanted to point out that online dating in the Philippines, as glorified as it is on RVF, has its downsides and can literally be hazardous to your health.

P.S. about my race, why I didn't reveal that from the get go was a complete lack of foresight. But for now let's make it interesting... I'll just say that I am from America but I'm NOT Caucasian and can't see myself being anything else.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-29-2013 04:17 PM)Paul B Wrote:  

I just wanted to point out that online dating in the Philippines, as glorified as it is on RVF, has its downsides and can literally be hazardous to your health.

Thanks for describing the reality of drama that sometimes can be involved with online dating, and I think that ties into my worries, as well about investing in the Phils and/or staying in one location in the Phils for too long of a time.

(10-29-2013 04:17 PM)Paul B Wrote:  

P.S. about my race, why I didn't reveal that from the get go was a complete lack of foresight. But for now let's make it interesting... I'll just say that I am from America but I'm NOT Caucasian and can't see myself being anything else.

Frequently, race may NOT matter for various kinds of intellectual discussions; however, Paul, you gotta admit that race matters in the Phils and in dating and in your profile online and how you are going to interact with girls and be received by girls and other people in society - at least that is what I hear.

Surely, being from America probably matters as well.

In any event, at this time, from what you have said, I have no idea about your race, except that it is NOT white.... and if your race is NOT white, as you say, then your race probably does factor into how you interact with chicks and other people in the Phils - but ONLY you would be able to describe what that affect is.

[iknowexactly]

(10-29-2013 04:17 PM)Paul B Wrote:  

A quick note about online dating in the Phils before I hit the sack: there's a HUGE learning curve. It took me a long time to figure out what works and what doesn't. I've experimented with countless openers and routines, and had to learn the hard way how to avoid scammers, gold diggers, fakes, ladyboys, etc. Over the years I've gotten four death threats, a few stalkers, and a bunch of fucking psychos who were crazy in their own way.

I just wanted to point out that online dating in the Philippines, as glorified as it is on RVF, has its downsides and can literally be hazardous to your health.

P.S. about my race, why I didn't reveal that from the get go was a complete lack of foresight. But for now let's make it interesting... I'll just say that I am from America but I'm NOT Caucasian and can't see myself being anything else.

Any info on pre-screening crazies and especially criminals would be more than welcome. I am a lover not a fighter.

[DirectDanger]

I just moved here to Manila. I will add some thoughts on my view of the place in a week or so when I get settled in. I am now in search of a condo so I will be busy with that the next few days.

Anyone who is around hit me up.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-30-2013 07:59 PM)DirectDanger Wrote:  

I just moved here to Manila. I will add some thoughts on my view of the place in a week or so when I get settled in. I am now in search of a condo so I will be busy with that the next few days.

Anyone who is around hit me up.

DD:

For how long are you staying? And are you only going to stay in Manila?

[DirectDanger]

-6 months

-Only Manila

[JayJuanGee]

(10-30-2013 08:21 PM)DirectDanger Wrote:  

-6 months

-Only Manila

Well, I am looking forward to finding out about your experiences, and our time may overlap, if I travel as anticipated.. b/c i am thinking for two months for me in February and March. However, since i am considering this a reconnaissance trip for me, I will likely want to check out a couple more locations (such as Cebu and/or Davao)... I am NOT sure yet.

[Sp5]

I was there in Metro Manila for almost two months, one month in Mandaluyong and one month split between Quezon City, Makati and Malate.

I wasn't very impressed with Manila as a city, it is tough to get around during a lot of the day. The metro/MRT is impossibly crowded during rush hours, and traffic is bad even if taxis are cheap.

What wears on you is the lack of culture/things to do. Not many things like concerts, movies (all screens showing the same Hollywood blockbuster) art gallery openings, music clubs. The dance clubs like Prive are OK, but not something you can do every night.

For me, Manila always suffers from the comparison with Bangkok, which is really a world-class city on par with NYC, Paris, Tokyo, etc. There's a surprise around every corner in Bangkok, and it's usually delightful. Lots of nighttime places, I used to hang out in the Saxophone and Raintree just for the music and I wasn't even scratching the surface.

The best thing about the PI is the women, who are sweet. The best of all possible worlds is a Filipina English teacher in Bangkok.

[Mumbojumbo]

(10-23-2013 08:27 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 06:19 AM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

So how many girls do yiu approach if you go through a Philippine mall?

Answer none!

Reason: You'll see 10,000 girls but they are all fugly. So depressing and draining for your brain. Genetics are not in people's favor there ;(

I don't agree but I see where you're coming from, I've spent quite a bit of time in Filpino malls which are usually packed with people all day who aren't actually shopping, just escaping the heat and being unemployed, often living off remittances. Overall, your average Filipina isn't very attractive, I'd say that if I went to a mall, maybe 5% of the girls in the 18-30 range were what I would consider to be hot and probably 15-20% fuckable, but many of them just don't pass the boner test, obviously YMMV.

The more attractive women don't spend all day hanging out at the mall eating shitty food and window shopping, I don't know what they do, they probably have jobs or something but they definitely come out at night. If you go to the higher end clubs in Manila (Prive, Republiq, etc) you will see plenty of attractive women and probably a couple of stunners.

The saving grace of the Philippines is that its an over crowded country so even if only 15% of the women are bangable, you're bound to run into a few during the day and more at night. Add to that the fact that the country has some beautiful places and Filipinos are generally some of the nicest, laid back people in the world, they speak English very well and are very keen to date foreigners, it truly is one of the world's biggest poosy paradises. I will definitely return in the future.

My statement was supposed to be satirical but Roosh almost banned me for it from RVF - so I'll be more careful

I guess I was just exhausted from a number of dates that did not look as beautiful as I expected.

I agree Filipino girls are supremely friendly and eager to date foreigners. I just found it harder to find 7+ women than almost anywhere else. That's because there are so many girls around who are just a 5 or below. At some point your brain just shuts down.

Just before I left I hooked up with a solid 7.5 who could have been a Latina-Asian from Peru. She looked hotter in reality than on any picture. She mentioned she barely ever gets hit on. She did not have a bf ever (she is 23). Very sweet but more 'determined' girl.

I found this somewhat surprising since she stood out enormously from the normal Filipino crowd.

Manila is a indeed a rather boring place - there is less to do than in say Jakarta which is not exactly a heaven of daytime activities. You either have to hang out at the beach somewhere else or schedule 3-4 dates a day at the mall (like another RVF member did in Saigon, he was there for 4 weeks and kept up that date schedule every day!).

Btw the 'Skout' app was my best source of 7+ leads in Manila. That's surprising because it normally produces only 6+ (most of Asia) or 5+ (US/Europe) leads.

I would not go to the Philippines for high quality but if many notches are your thing and you can tolerate 5.5's you'll be in heaven!

[JayJuanGee]

(10-31-2013 11:07 AM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:27 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 06:19 AM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

So how many girls do yiu approach if you go through a Philippine mall?

Answer none!

Reason: You'll see 10,000 girls but they are all fugly. So depressing and draining for your brain. Genetics are not in people's favor there ;(

I don't agree but I see where you're coming from, I've spent quite a bit of time in Filpino malls which are usually packed with people all day who aren't actually shopping, just escaping the heat and being unemployed, often living off remittances. Overall, your average Filipina isn't very attractive, I'd say that if I went to a mall, maybe 5% of the girls in the 18-30 range were what I would consider to be hot and probably 15-20% fuckable, but many of them just don't pass the boner test, obviously YMMV.

The more attractive women don't spend all day hanging out at the mall eating shitty food and window shopping, I don't know what they do, they probably have jobs or something but they definitely come out at night. If you go to the higher end clubs in Manila (Prive, Republiq, etc) you will see plenty of attractive women and probably a couple of stunners.

The saving grace of the Philippines is that its an over crowded country so even if only 15% of the women are bangable, you're bound to run into a few during the day and more at night. Add to that the fact that the country has some beautiful places and Filipinos are generally some of the nicest, laid back people in the world, they speak English very well and are very keen to date foreigners, it truly is one of the world's biggest poosy paradises. I will definitely return in the future.

My statement was supposed to be satirical but Roosh almost banned me for it from RVF - so I'll be more careful

I guess I was just exhausted from a number of dates that did not look as beautiful as I expected.

I agree Filipino girls are supremely friendly and eager to date foreigners. I just found it harder to find 7+ women than almost anywhere else. That's because there are so many girls around who are just a 5 or below. At some point your brain just shuts down.

Just before I left I hooked up with a solid 7.5 who could have been a Latina-Asian from Peru. She looked hotter in reality than on any picture. She mentioned she barely ever gets hit on. She did not have a bf ever (she is 23). Very sweet but more 'determined' girl.

I found this somewhat surprising since she stood out enormously from the normal Filipino crowd.

Manila is a indeed a rather boring place - there is less to do than in say Jakarta which is not exactly a heaven of daytime activities. You either have to hang out at the beach somewhere else or schedule 3-4 dates a day at the mall (like another RVF member did in Saigon, he was there for 4 weeks and kept up that date schedule every day!).

Btw the 'Skout' app was my best source of 7+ leads in Manila. That's surprising because it normally produces only 6+ (most of Asia) or 5+ (US/Europe) leads.

I would not go to the Philippines for high quality but if many notches are your thing and you can tolerate 5.5's you'll be in heaven!

MumJum:

I do appreciate your additional particulars here to explain how you reached some of your previously stated conclusions regarding chicks from the Phils; however, to me, it seems that you are continuing to denigrate the preferences of guys who may be o.k. with girls from the Phils or even have some preferences for Asians.

I do NOT really subscribe to a concept of "yellow fever" b/c that seems to describe a condition that a guy cannot control, and it seems to me that a guy can have preferences without having an affliction.

For example, I like girls of all races and colors; yet I find petite to be attractive in a range that frequently that is prevalent in asians. Accordingly, i may give some passes to faces, if the body package is otherwise petite and tight, and curves can still be present in a tight package.

In this post, and in your other posting on the other thread pertaining to daygame, you seem to be unable to resist getting in some further unsubstantiated and gratuitous digs towards phil birds, and to me, it still seems that you have NOT described some of your experiences to come to those conclusions - or even to take back your extreme statements to say that they are merely personal preferences.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14395-...#pid567681

Certainly, there is nothing wrong with having personal preferences and even having rating scale that differs from other guys is fine; however, it remains problematic in my thinking to describe your rating system to be something that applies beyond your own particular preferences, when we do NOT even know about what you speak, exactly. For example, you make assertions, and you do NOT provide examples of such.

Personally, I appreciate specifics b/c I am trying to learn from other guys and to get some ideas about effective ways to spend time or to game when traveling to the Phils. Yet, even your assertions that minimal game is needed seems incomplete, and may need to further context in order for guys here to understand your implications that little or no game is needed in the Phils.

MumJum: you make several general statements about how unattractive the girls are from the Phils, yet you do NOT describe which locations you were in, how long you were in each location, and/or whether there was any appreciable difference in quality of girls when comparing one location to another - well in that regard, you are suggesting that rarely does the quality of the girls in the Phils go above a certain level (you are suggesting a 6 or a 6.5, whatever that is, and the rare 7.5 that you happened to bang that society does NOT know the value of that girl).

Scotian described some difference in the quality of the girls that depended to some degree upon which locations (high scale locations versus low scale, and other RVF members have described different levels of quality of girls in certain clubs (night time as compared with day) - or at least seeing more higher level chica talent in clubs as compared with the street, and how about you MumJum, did you see any degree of difference in talent in any of the locations that you went?

[Mumbojumbo]

JayJuanGee I can't get into more specifics because of the type of work I do Sorry I have done that for other locations but can't do that in the Philippines.

My conclusion is drawn from a short visit - certainly as longer you are on location as better your chances will be. For a short visit this report by europeanlover matched my impression:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4215-p...#pid152940

I went to URBN and Metro Walk as far as nightlife. I also saw the Green Belt malls, Mall of Asia and the SM Megamall. In these publicly accessible locations my conclusion holds true (for me).

Don't get me wrong most of my girls are Asian and I have strongly preferred Asian looks for many years. I have also dated great looking Filipino girls in the US.

Of course EVERYONE is welcome to rate girls and choose which place he likes best. I've lived on every continent and speak 4 languages. I never denigrate a specific race or group. I get to know a place and try to find the pros and cons quickly.

Go there and share your assessment - maybe you'll love it like I did Jakarta

[JayJuanGee]

(11-01-2013 11:04 AM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

JayJuanGee I can't get into more specifics because of the type of work I do Sorry I have done that for other locations but can't do that in the Philippines.

My conclusion is drawn from a short visit - certainly as longer you are on location as better your chances will be. For a short visit this report by europeanlover matched my impression:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4215-p...#pid152940

I went to URBN and Metro Walk as far as nightlife. I also saw the Green Belt malls, Mall of Asia and the SM Megamall. In these publicly accessible locations my conclusion holds true (for me).

Don't get me wrong most of my girls are Asian and I have strongly preferred Asian looks for many years. I have also dated great looking Filipino girls in the US.

Of course EVERYONE is welcome to rate girls and choose which place he likes best. I've lived on every continent and speak 4 languages. I never denigrate a specific race or group. I get to know a place and try to find the pros and cons quickly.

Go there and share your assessment - maybe you'll love it like I did Jakarta

MumJum:

If you had made a report similar to EuropeanLover (in your referenced link) with your own impressions of what you saw and then coming to various conclusions after describing some of what you saw, then likely, i would have NOT questioned your conclusions (even if I did NOT agree with them).

Instead, you seem to have come out with your conclusions first, and then did some sorts of quasi - back tracking with some sparse facts and some references to your needs for anonymity (which is fine to have some anonymity, but it does NOT really justify your flippant approach to this topic, in my humble opinion).

Nonetheless, I appreciate reading your further explanations. I do plan to go, and I intend to provide my assessments, as well, at some future date. So, in that regard, it is nice to have varying reference points to compare and/or contrast my experience(s).

[Paul B]

(10-29-2013 08:12 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Frequently, race may NOT matter for various kinds of intellectual discussions; however, Paul, you gotta admit that race matters in the Phils and in dating and in your profile online and how you are going to interact with girls and be received by girls and other people in society - at least that is what I hear.

Surely, being from America probably matters as well.

In any event, at this time, from what you have said, I have no idea about your race, except that it is NOT white.... and if your race is NOT white, as you say, then your race probably does factor into how you interact with chicks and other people in the Phils - but ONLY you would be able to describe what that affect is.

I'm Asian. It is different for me in that I get less attention, both positive and negative, but I don't agree that race is all that important for dating. If I had to rank the qualities that Filipinas look for, I'd probably rank looks, personality, age, status, and language ability, before race.

[michelin]

Did any of these places get slammed down by the Typhoon?

[Paul B]

It tore through Tacloban and other cities in the central Philippines, at least 10,000 reported dead. Very tragic.

[gamma_male]

Does anybody know the situation in Cebu atm? how much is it affected? I was thinking of going there in Jan. but not sure how're things now after the Typhoon ?

[Collide]

(11-16-2013 09:54 PM)gamma_male Wrote:  

Does anybody know the situation in Cebu atm? how much is it affected? I was thinking of going there in Jan. but not sure how're things now after the Typhoon ?

Quote:

While Cebu’s physical devastation is enormous, its remarkably low human death toll is being attributed to most people heeding the mandatory evacuation notices. But figuring out where to shelter more than 20,000 households is now the latest challenge for Dann Andrio, operations officer on assignment from the national interior department.

People fine, houses destroyed.

[JayJuanGee]

(11-16-2013 10:45 PM)Collide Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:54 PM)gamma_male Wrote:  

Does anybody know the situation in Cebu atm? how much is it affected? I was thinking of going there in Jan. but not sure how're things now after the Typhoon ?

Quote:

While Cebu’s physical devastation is enormous, its remarkably low human death toll is being attributed to most people heeding the mandatory evacuation notices. But figuring out where to shelter more than 20,000 households is now the latest challenge for Dann Andrio, operations officer on assignment from the national interior department.

People fine, houses destroyed.

Personally, this news is why I have a sense that for several months, lodging prices in Cebu and in that area is going to be higher and more difficult to easily find. A question remains about how long that shortage will last and affect prices, and whether in a few months, the lodging situation is resolved or will it take a year or two?

I would also like to hear from anyone on the ground in the Cebu area about the impact on hotel availability and prices in that area.