[JayJuanGee]

(10-05-2013 10:52 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Where/how long have you lived out of the USA?

I'm like in the planning stages of some of my thoughts on these topics, so I don't have some concrete life experiences in trying the things that i discuss in my previous posts (such as bringing a girl back to the USA).

I did live in England for about 3 years and during that time, did some traveling around European locations from there.

I also lived in Korea for about 6 months, but i did not travel around Asia during that time.

Also, as a little side note, i have had fairly extended sexual relationships with several Asian women living in the US (mainland chinese, hong kong, korean, indian, vietnamese and phillipines), and I have attempted to court other asian women in the US (mostly japanese but some others).. some of this in the salsa dance scene but also in other kinds of environments, as well.

I wouldn't mind hearing from some guys who may have tried some of these LTRs with bringing any attractive women to the USA to chime in as well, b/c I am just planning based on some thoughts that I have b/c I am planning to expand my travel for several years in the upcoming future, as well. And, i am planning to start in SEA, probably the Phils.

[iknowexactly]

(10-05-2013 11:01 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I wouldn't mind hearing from some guys who may have tried some of these things to chime in as well, b/c I am just planning based on some thoughts that I have b/c I am planning to expand my travel for several years in the upcoming future, as well. And, i am planning to start in SEA, probably the Phils.

I brought a girl from EE on a fiancee visa to the USA.

She was indecisive and ended up going back soon after arriving. Didn't rip me off or anything but I wasted a LOT of time ( couple years) waiting for the visa.

Red flags I missed:

1) Her not responding promptly to emails while I was waiting.
THis is true for all collaborators of ANY kind-- business, etc. Anyone who's into your plans gets back to you quickly.

2) Lower educational level of family (parents). I'm not saying the working class is evil or anything, but people with more education are longer range planners that follow through-- in general. I want a girl from an educated family. Stable personalities, good long range planning, less chance of crazy. Educational achievement indicates (a) ABILITY to learn (b) WILLINGNESS to learn. People who "know better" and don't want to listen to others don't get educated. Why should they? They're too smart.

In the USA, frequency of divorce if a man and woman get married and are both are college grads is about 20% I think. I would suspect parents being college grads is associated with lower divorce as well.

3) Didn't get enough sexual practice with her. She was a virgin and hadn't had sex until at 20 with me. She wasn't orgasmic.

4) She had a tattoo. Very small, but classy chicks don't in my experience. It's the lower and lower middle class.

I believe you should screen for someone who is clearly and actively into having sex with you. That may seem obvious to cool players from Slutsville USA where all girls compare notes on anal, but not all girls are sluts overseas.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-05-2013 11:15 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I brought a girl from EE on a fiancee visa to the USA.

She was indecisive and ended up going back soon after arriving. Didn't rip me off or anything but I wasted a LOT of time ( couple years) waiting for the visa.

Red flags I missed:

1) Her not responding promptly to emails while I was waiting.
THis is true for all collaborators of ANY kind-- business, etc. Anyone who's into your plans gets back to you quickly.

IKE:
I have my own war story as well, which somewhat informs my judgment concerning changes in perspective that develop with a girl that is in the US of A for a while.

When I was in Korea, I dated a girl who was about 5 years younger than me, and who would have never given me a second look in the US of A – she was maybe an 8.5. She was from a well-off family and had her own car and pretty much paid for everything when we went on our dates, including short-term hotel rooms. She also spent quite bit of the time in our relationship pursuing me, and she made it really easy to date with her and to get many perks because she liked to pay for most things. She would even set up excuses to pay me and to say that I was her private English tutor, whenever any Korean would ask her about her relation with me.


When I left Korea, she kept telling me that she was going to relocate in a location near me on a student visa, and for about 6 months we were in continuous e-mail contact regarding those plans that supposedly she was making. We even met in Hawaii when parts of her plan seemed to be falling apart and being delayed. I told her that I could not really afford a trip to Hawaii, so she said that she would pay for various expenses related to my portion of the trip in order to make the situation more affordable for me.


In the next year or so, there were several falling outs with her plans to relocate to the US on a student visa, and I began to figure that she was not really following through with her plans to come to the US, even though she did make a couple of trips to the US to visit me.

Nonetheless, I began to date a Chinese girl in the US that was in the league of the girls that paid attention to me in the states – about a 7.

The Chinese 7 and I decided to move in together, and then all of a sudden, the Korean girl was living in a city about 60 miles from me to attend graduate school. The Korean girl and I had not been maintaining contact, and Viola, she was there.. everything had been approved for her student visa and her plans with the school and her parent paying, and when she first called, me she said that she was with her parents looking at apartments and getting a car etc etc, and she would be able to meet with me in a couple of weeks, once they were out of the picture and all of her details were in order.

Thereafter, for a while I was juggling both of these relations, and for about six months or so while the Korean girl was living in the US, she continued to pursue a relationship with me, even though I told her that I was living with the Chinese girl. It seemed quite weird, because the Korean was truly in a higher category of girls than what would be in my ability to catch in the US, but she continued to make the efforts to make it easy to meet up with me for bangs, etc… Also, at the same time that she was pursuing a relation with me, she was getting a lot of offers from other guys. Six months into this juggling with me, she gave up on continuing the relation with me, and my belief is that she was getting a lot of real decent offers from guys, and she no longer wanted to make thing convenient for meeting up with me.


Surely, I had made some of this difficult to have a LTR with the Korean girl because of my own situation with the Chinese girl; however, it remains my belief that even if I had been living under the same roof with this Korean girl, I would have had a difficult time hanging onto the relationship because once she was in the USA, she was constantly receiving and onslaught of offers, and she would tell me about some of the offers that she was receiving. I was not surprised.

I believe that if you find a girl that is above your league from another country and bring her back to the USA, you will be fighting off the guys to maintain her, and she may play along with you for quite a while.. but those ongoing offers are going to affect her, sooner or later, and if she is 30 years younger, you are going to encounter more and more difficulties in preventing her from having encounters with guys in the US who are going to be more than willing to make her offers.

[20Nation]

In my opinion Philippinas are not the best wife material. Of course there are always exceptions, but if you are looking for a wife you should go find a traditional Thai girl. The rich thai girl I dated for a while absolutely loved taking care of me. It wasn't like she did it cause it was expected, it was what made her happy, it's just part of the Thai culture. If you are looking for somebody to marry to Thailand and maybe Vietnam before going to Phil. However, Phil is still my favorite place in SEA. But I will tell you right now, phil girls usually are not going to have what you are looking for in a wife.

[TopSpruce]

Interesting post 20nation. Why do you say Phils girls lack wife quality?

Meeting Vietnam girls might be a new thing to try. Is it possible to find a job in Vietnam, besides English teaching?

[20Nation]

Vietnam is low paying so it might not be so easy, but yeah Philippinas in comparison are more lazy. Also they like to be in control as a lot of the bread winners are women in the Philippines. If you want a girl who will happily take care of you, the philippines might not be the best place although as always there are exceptions

[jimukr104]

I wouldn't bring ANY foreign woman back unless you :
1. date her first like a normal gal.
2.live with her.
3.marry her
4 later bring her back if needed.
Married 11 1/2 years to my gal.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-07-2013 06:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I wouldn't bring ANY foreign woman back unless you :
1. date her first like a normal gal.
2.live with her.
3.marry her
4 later bring her back if needed.
Married 11 1/2 years to my gal.

Jimukr - is your gal foreign or american? imported or domestic?

[Sp5]

(10-05-2013 10:30 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 10:01 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

On thing I've though of because I want to have kids is to have a kid with the girl before bringing her back. Most women with infants are too exhausted and focused on their brat to run around chasing RVF type men. If you bring her over when the kids about two, kid will be 5-6 by the time she gets citizenship and even if she goes crazy and ditches you then, you only have maybe 12-13 years to pay child support instead of 16.

<snip>

Another possibility may be to pick a less attractive girl or one that is in her late 20s in order that by the time she is eligible to leave, she will be in her mid 30s... which guys may likely stop providing offers to her by that time....

If you're in your 50s, having a girl in her mid-30s would be the best option. Plenty of them available in the Philippines and Thailand who are not used-up sluts. Not too high risk pregnancy, either.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-07-2013 07:50 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 10:30 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 10:01 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

On thing I've though of because I want to have kids is to have a kid with the girl before bringing her back. Most women with infants are too exhausted and focused on their brat to run around chasing RVF type men. If you bring her over when the kids about two, kid will be 5-6 by the time she gets citizenship and even if she goes crazy and ditches you then, you only have maybe 12-13 years to pay child support instead of 16.

<snip>

Another possibility may be to pick a less attractive girl or one that is in her late 20s in order that by the time she is eligible to leave, she will be in her mid 30s... which guys may likely stop providing offers to her by that time....

If you're in your 50s, having a girl in her mid-30s would be the best option. Plenty of them available in the Philippines and Thailand who are not used-up sluts. Not too high risk pregnancy, either.

SP5: What stated makes sense - though i think some of the guys in this thread in this "bring the girl home" discussion are considering making kids with the girl, as well - and mid-30s may be more difficult for the girl to serve that purpose.... even though it is great for the purpose if you do not want kids.

Personally, I would be disinclined to bring the girl to the USA; however, sometimes life plans are not so clear - especially projecting 5 to 10 years into the future.

SP5 - you are in your 50s, correct?

Did you date or bang any girls in their early 20s in the Phils or Thailand? - and if so, did you find it difficult to have any meaningful conversation with these young girls?

I would imagine that a girl in her late 20s, early 30s would be somewhat more grown up and interesting than those girls in their early 20s - however, to me sometimes interest is based on world travels and education, and if the girl has lived in the same area most of her life, then it may be more difficult to have any interesting conversation with her, unless maybe she has gone to university.

I have similar issues in the US. Sometimes when I date women who has not had any university or world travels, then I get bored (and sometimes frustrated) with them - just fun for the sex, and that is it!!!

Nonetheless, I understand that personality can also make a very big difference - b/c some people are boring or interesting in spite of their education and/or world travels.

[TopSpruce]

I second the mid 30s recommendation.

I would say mid 30s girls have better characters. My mid 30s FSU gf was sweet, educated and a homemaker. But thats unusual for girls in the new generation of early 20s girls. I think culture certainly is changing,

A lot of people put white girls on a their top list but at the same time say they want a traditional girl. Well, I'd say the two are contradictions. Especially in a place like FSU where the youth is fast trying to imitate western culture of individualism and independence.

[Beyond Borders]

For men who want to drag Filipinas and other Asian women back to the states for marriage, wouldn't it make more sense just to snag some fresh-off-the-boat Asian woman who just moved to the US for work or study? Seems like you'd save a lot on import costs.

There are tons of these women in SF, for instance.

[iknowexactly]

I would go so far as to say for any intelligent, educated man over 50 who is not famous/rich, there are very few extremely attractive women available who are highly intelligent. For me, the grat majority of extremely attractive women are under 28.

Women are relatively dumb anyway, once you are highly educated it becomes even worse as their minds are so slow and disabled by emotional reasoning you are unable to talk to them for more than a few minutes without getting bored

One needs to compartmentalize one's time so you are breeding with one extremely cute girl, and then getting your collaborative/conversational needs met with other men or older women who have put work into something and are not children mentally.

One can argue in the abstract 30's is better, but I had a super healthy friend who was 34 go through IVF to have ONE kid and it almost killed her. After that, she said "We're only having one kid." to me. She ended her husbands's reproductive life. Women should be having first kids by 27 at the latest. This is with the best high-tech California based specialists. Having first kids over 30 is a modern aberration, not natural at all.

The most likely successful target if breeding is your primary goal with her is early 20s. That doesn't matter if you're 50 or 60. The machinery in a woman needed to create a baby is fragile and does not age well. Compare a baby the size of an American football and sperm cells the size of a germ, and you can see having babies is a young woman's game.

[iknowexactly]

(10-08-2013 01:57 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

For men who want to drag Filipinas and other Asian women back to the states for marriage, wouldn't it make more sense just to snag some fresh-off-the-boat Asian woman who just moved to the US for work or study? Seems like you'd save a lot on import costs.

There are tons of these women in SF, for instance.

Not once you're in your 50's . They always assessing their optimal prospects, and a hot 23 YO FOB starts seeing the YoungTallCool locals on arrival-- the problem in America is not really that the women are that bad, it's that the guys you're competing with are really good. Not that they have Game, but that they have good reliable earnings prospects, and will be around long enough to leech off of --"me support you long time." Tall, well-fed, don't beat women up much. American men lack a really bad downside.

You are perfect Mortgage Buffalos for her future baby and divorce endowment. Or, if you behave well enough, her luxurious middle age with you in the suburbs.

There's going to be no middle age in the suburbs paid for by me-- I'll be laughing in my grave.

[TopSpruce]

Exactly right IKE, thats the reason I'm thinking of ditching FSU pursuits. I want the early 20s girl for marriage and family, but those age groups don't have good characters. Above 30, the risk for genetic diseases skyrockets(Down's syndrome is just an example).

This is why I'm thinking of SEA girls- interested in marrying young, good values, etc.

All the foreigner marriages and even most local marriages I'm seeing in FSU are 30+ girls. Very sexy 30+ girls, but still too old. I've got two friends who married local girls and both have only 1 kid and it looks that thats where it'll stay.

From what I'm hearing Phillipined is better for relationships/marriage and Thailand is better for those searching for bangs.

Anyone have any experience with Filipinas for LTRs?

[Sp5]

(10-08-2013 12:21 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:50 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

If you're in your 50s, having a girl in her mid-30s would be the best option. Plenty of them available in the Philippines and Thailand who are not used-up sluts. Not too high risk pregnancy, either.

SP5: What stated makes sense - though i think some of the guys in this thread in this "bring the girl home" discussion are considering making kids with the girl, as well - and mid-30s may be more difficult for the girl to serve that purpose.... even though it is great for the purpose if you do not want kids.

Personally, I would be disinclined to bring the girl to the USA; however, sometimes life plans are not so clear - especially projecting 5 to 10 years into the future.

SP5 - you are in your 50s, correct?

Did you date or bang any girls in their early 20s in the Phils or Thailand? - and if so, did you find it difficult to have any meaningful conversation with these young girls?

I would imagine that a girl in her late 20s, early 30s would be somewhat more grown up and interesting than those girls in their early 20s - however, to me sometimes interest is based on world travels and education, and if the girl has lived in the same area most of her life, then it may be more difficult to have any interesting conversation with her, unless maybe she has gone to university.

I have similar issues in the US. Sometimes when I date women who has not had any university or world travels, then I get bored (and sometimes frustrated) with them - just fun for the sex, and that is it!!!

Nonetheless, I understand that personality can also make a very big difference - b/c some people are boring or interesting in spite of their education and/or world travels.

I am 57, and I look it - gray hair, etc.. I only got down to 32, 34, 35. I was using Tagged or approaching girls on the street or in malls. I looked for a bit of age on the girls; it's often hard to tell whether a Thai girl is 15 or 30.

The younger ones were too obviously mercenary or otherwise unsatisfactory (bad in bed, not good looking enough).

I didn't approach and do online as much as I could have in Bangkok - I got too busy with 4 women from 44 - 51 that I was in relationships with in Bangkok. The 51 yo has her own apartment with a great roof deck. Then there were random others, like the 45 yo Chinese agriculture professor on holiday I met at an expat function.

I had two women in Indonesia - 42 and 43. Both sweet with great bodies, no children.

Right now, the best relationship I have had was with a 42 yo Filipina, again no children. She's got a degree, great vocabulary, good job with a global firm, we can talk about anything, and she was enthralled by my experience. I even flew her to Bangkok for a week when I wanted a break from the Thai women.

So far, the sweet spot has been around 42 for me. I think I could push the age down to 35 and find quality women, but it gets harder because the age difference brings out the semi-pro in some women. You end up spending time, she starts trying to extract resources, etc.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-08-2013 10:52 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 12:21 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:50 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

If you're in your 50s, having a girl in her mid-30s would be the best option. Plenty of them available in the Philippines and Thailand who are not used-up sluts. Not too high risk pregnancy, either.

SP5: What stated makes sense - though i think some of the guys in this thread in this "bring the girl home" discussion are considering making kids with the girl, as well - and mid-30s may be more difficult for the girl to serve that purpose.... even though it is great for the purpose if you do not want kids.

Personally, I would be disinclined to bring the girl to the USA; however, sometimes life plans are not so clear - especially projecting 5 to 10 years into the future.

SP5 - you are in your 50s, correct?

Did you date or bang any girls in their early 20s in the Phils or Thailand? - and if so, did you find it difficult to have any meaningful conversation with these young girls?

I would imagine that a girl in her late 20s, early 30s would be somewhat more grown up and interesting than those girls in their early 20s - however, to me sometimes interest is based on world travels and education, and if the girl has lived in the same area most of her life, then it may be more difficult to have any interesting conversation with her, unless maybe she has gone to university.

I have similar issues in the US. Sometimes when I date women who has not had any university or world travels, then I get bored (and sometimes frustrated) with them - just fun for the sex, and that is it!!!

Nonetheless, I understand that personality can also make a very big difference - b/c some people are boring or interesting in spite of their education and/or world travels.

I am 57, and I look it - gray hair, etc.. I only got down to 32, 34, 35. I was using Tagged or approaching girls on the street or in malls. I looked for a bit of age on the girls; it's often hard to tell whether a Thai girl is 15 or 30.

The younger ones were too obviously mercenary or otherwise unsatisfactory (bad in bed, not good looking enough).

I didn't approach and do online as much as I could have in Bangkok - I got too busy with 4 women from 44 - 51 that I was in relationships with in Bangkok. The 51 yo has her own apartment with a great roof deck. Then there were random others, like the 45 yo Chinese agriculture professor on holiday I met at an expat function.

I had two women in Indonesia - 42 and 43. Both sweet with great bodies, no children.

Right now, the best relationship I have had was with a 42 yo Filipina, again no children. She's got a degree, great vocabulary, good job with a global firm, we can talk about anything, and she was enthralled by my experience. I even flew her to Bangkok for a week when I wanted a break from the Thai women.

So far, the sweet spot has been around 42 for me. I think I could push the age down to 35 and find quality women, but it gets harder because the age difference brings out the semi-pro in some women. You end up spending time, she starts trying to extract resources, etc.

SP5:

From what you wrote, it seems to me like your preference to stick with girls of a certain age and more or less above a certain age was your own preference to a large extent rather than the preference of the girls' or the tolerance of the society to date younger than your preference group.

In other words, from your description it seems to me that some younger girls may have been available and o.k. with banging and/or dating you, yet you did NOT want to deal with some of the age differences issues that come with those younger gals.

I have some similar experience in the states when I try to date women who may be more than 10 years younger than me. In the USA relationship situation, there seem to be a lot of environments or girls in which the age difference is a stigma - and girls that will tolerate and go along with the age difference is the exception rather than the rule. Even though from time to time some older guys find some luck on college campuses and other locations; however, i tend to NOT want to go through a lot of work and effort trying to figure out those dynamics. And, a solution for me, if I were to want to bang these younger girls, would be to spend a lot of time approaching.

From the various stories that I hear, I figure that still in SEA it is gonna be a lot easier for me or any other guy in his mid-to-late 40s or even in his 50s to date girls in their early 20s in SEA, b/c the girls and the society is more open to the age diffence in SEA. At the same time, though, the guy has to be ready, willing and able to put up with some of the still remaining issues with the age difference.

In other words, not all age difference issues disappear in SEA, and it seems that it would be easier to put up with the age difference, if the relationship is BANGING ONLY rather than having a preference to engage in more in-depth communications with the target girls.

[Vacancier Permanent]

For the older guys in here, instead of importing one to the US/Western world with all the downsides that this would represent, why don't you guys relocate there? So you're in your 50's, if you have a nest egg of about 100-200k, that would be more than enough to live very comfortably there for a good 30-40 years. You could live a peaceful and comfortable lifestyle there for about 1k month. Get a girl who's educated and so that she can also work and contribute a little to the family budget. There are tons of decent, educated sweet middle class girls in the Phils who would love to have a family life with an older gent. I'm not talking about the poor desperate or serial gold diggers here. As I mentioned in the other sweetest girl thread, for Pinays, head over to Christian Filipinas or Cherry Blossoms dating site and you can find some very nice one. About a year ago, I opened an account at Cherry Blossoms for fun as I was bored and got a ton of those educated middle class girls respond very favorably to me. I'm still in touch with a few of them. These are girls from 22 to 27, beautiful, feminine, educated, traditional and sweet.

Some food for thoughts guys.

[Sp5]

(10-08-2013 12:18 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

SP5:

From what you wrote, it seems to me like your preference to stick with girls of a certain age and more or less above a certain age was your own preference to a large extent rather than the preference of the girls' or the tolerance of the society to date younger than your preference group.

In other words, from your description it seems to me that some younger girls may have been available and o.k. with banging and/or dating you, yet you did NOT want to deal with some of the age differences issues that come with those younger gals.

I have some similar experience in the states when I try to date women who may be more than 10 years younger than me. In the USA relationship situation, there seem to be a lot of environments or girls in which the age difference is a stigma - and girls that will tolerate and go along with the age difference is the exception rather than the rule. Even though from time to time some older guys find some luck on college campuses and other locations; however, i tend to NOT want to go through a lot of work and effort trying to figure out those dynamics. And, a solution for me, if I were to want to bang these younger girls, would be to spend a lot of time approaching.

From the various stories that I hear, I figure that still in SEA it is gonna be a lot easier for me or any other guy in his mid-to-late 40s or even in his 50s to date girls in their early 20s in SEA, b/c the girls and the society is more open to the age diffence in SEA. At the same time, though, the guy has to be ready, willing and able to put up with some of the still remaining issues with the age difference.

In other words, not all age difference issues disappear in SEA, and it seems that it would be easier to put up with the age difference, if the relationship is BANGING ONLY rather than having a preference to engage in more in-depth communications with the target girls.

It might be a preference, it might be a lack of confidence in being able to excite genuine desire in a 20 year old, or keep up with them.

One thing I feel, and it's a bit of a burden, is that the women I've recently been in relationships with LOVE me. Now, what love means for a woman is related to the man's status and wealth, of course. But I'm not ugly, decrepit or impotent, either; and I've worked to keep it interesting for these women. I trust my perceptions and judgment, they're not faking it to try to fool me for a Green Card or something. They might be fooling themselves and love me because I can provide a more interesting comfortable life, of course. The distinction is still important.

I have money, freedom, and have to make a choice - where I'm going to live, and who I'm going to live with. In that regard, Vacancier Permanent's suggestion is pertinent. I have enough to buy a condo or two in Manila or Bangkok, or just pay rent. He's right, you can live for $1k in those places, although you'd want a bit more.

And who to live with? The older professional Thai women with their own means and housing, a Filipina with excellent erudite English, a younger, hotter Indonesian who wears a hijab?

I don't think I want to be like one of the common themes on the website Farang Exits - the 75 year old guy who gets stabbed to death by his Thai "girlfriend" after some jealous fight. It's not that I care about going out that way at 75; it's that I know the guy was going through months of hell before it.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-08-2013 07:17 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

It might be a preference, it might be a lack of confidence in being able to excite genuine desire in a 20 year old, or keep up with them.

There is definitely an energy aspect that cannot be ignored, and frequently the youth are just buzzing with pent up energy... and we notice it more and more the older we get.

(10-08-2013 07:17 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I have enough to buy a condo or two in Manila or Bangkok, or just pay rent. He's right, you can live for $1k in those places, although you'd want a bit more.

I agree that there is the potential for considerable risk in these third world locations to settle down too much.. that is buying vs renting - b/c in the end, it may be better to maintain some mobility to not get killed for money or to be otherwise swindled out of your assets. Even staying mobile may not protect an older westerner guy from being swindled or murdered in these locations. I was thinking that it may be o.k. to build a life in those locations where I just continue to move to a new location every few months... and kind of live like a tourist and do not tell many of the Locals when you are going to be in a specific location until you are there.

Moving around every few months may feel like a meaningless existence to some guys, but if you are otherwise occupying yourself, such as being an author or maintaining a rotating harem or something, those kinds of activities could bring a sense of meaning, purpose and belonging to a guy's existence.

(10-08-2013 07:17 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

And who to live with? The older professional Thai women with their own means and housing, a Filipina with excellent erudite English, a younger, hotter Indonesian who wears a hijab?

I'm sure there are plusses and minus to any of these women.. but as stated above, a guy may not have to settle for one but instead maybe have a harem and keep moving between places. Maybe at a certain point, the guy runs out of energy to keep moving around, and probably that has to do with how well the guy is able to keep up his libido?

(10-08-2013 07:17 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I don't think I want to be like one of the common themes on the website Farang Exits - the 75 year old guy who gets stabbed to death by his Thai "girlfriend" after some jealous fight. It's not that I care about going out that way at 75; it's that I know the guy was going through months of hell before it.

Doesn't sound like a good way to go, but there are risks in everything, and the number may appear greater than they really are... Im not sure. The number of car accidents is really high, also, and I am not sure whether the number of mysterious deaths would be much riskier.. just take as many precautions as possible, like not revealing much about your finances to Locals and make your value greater alive than dead. If you have a mysterious income source, then the locals may see more value in your being alive rather than dead. All good in theory, but putting it to practice may be a difficult and hard to juggle task.

[Sp5]

(10-08-2013 07:40 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

There is definitely an energy aspect that cannot be ignored, and frequently the youth are just buzzing with pent up energy... and we notice it more and more the older we get.

I agree that there is the potential for considerable risk in these third world locations to settle down too much.. that is buying vs renting - b/c in the end, it may be better to maintain some mobility to not get killed for money or to be otherwise swindled out of your assets. Even staying mobile may not protect an older westerner guy from being swindled or murdered in these locations. I was thinking that it may be o.k. to build a life in those locations where I just continue to move to a new location every few months... and kind of live like a tourist and do not tell many of the Locals when you are going to be in a specific location until you are there.

Moving around every few months may feel like a meaningless existence to some guys, but if you are otherwise occupying yourself, such as being an author or maintaining a rotating harem or something, those kinds of activities could bring a sense of meaning, purpose and belonging to a guy's existence.

I'm sure there are plusses and minus to any of these women.. but as stated above, a guy may not have to settle for one but instead maybe have a harem and keep moving between places. Maybe at a certain point, the guy runs out of energy to keep moving around, and probably that has to do with how well the guy is able to keep up his libido?

Tell me about it - I recently spent a week with an energetic 32 yo, needed Red Bull, Atrophex, etc to keep going and I was wiped out afterwards for three days.

I'm not that worried about buying a condo in a place like Bkk as long as I do due diligence. I'm not going to rush into it, though.

I did move around and had a harem in SE Asia for six months. It was fun, but it was getting old. I would like to have more than 25 kg of stuff, for one thing. I did love Bangkok, though, it is so easy and fun to live there.

I am not ruling out taking a woman - probably a Filipina - back to the USA after a test. I also know guys living over there with Thai or Filipina wives.

It's nice to have options.

[jimukr104]

(10-07-2013 07:22 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I wouldn't bring ANY foreign woman back unless you :
1. date her first like a normal gal.
2.live with her.
3.marry her
4 later bring her back if needed.
Married 11 1/2 years to my gal.

Jimukr - is your gal foreign or american? imported or domestic?

imported

[iknowexactly]

(10-09-2013 06:26 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:22 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I wouldn't bring ANY foreign woman back unless you :
1. date her first like a normal gal.
2.live with her.
3.marry her
4 later bring her back if needed.
Married 11 1/2 years to my gal.

Jimukr - is your gal foreign or american? imported or domestic?

imported

I'd even add: get a baby out of her-- dna tested. That's about the biggest test she can go through.

[jimukr104]

^^Not so sure.
Knew an American guy who married a Ukrainian chick and even had a baby with her right away. They lived in Texas and she used him to babysit the child when she visited home 2 months per year and she ran off from him EXACTLY at 3 year period where she gets permanent residency.
Russian/Ukrainian women don't depend on men to help support children anyway..but of course he has to pay child support.
Another myth is about the sanctity of motherhood for these EE broads. YES they all want children BUT they aren't the BEST mothers in the world by far. You see, they are pushed by family and society to have children so they want them BUT they actually purposely depend on social support from the family and extended family. In other words they are great mothers as long as babushka and mommaska and aunt is helping to raise the child and babysit ALWAYS. But god forbid they don't have this support they get resentful and neglectful even.

[TopSpruce]

Jimukr tells the truth. After knowing a Ukrainian mother I clearly saw what he is speaking of.

FSU girls certainly are beautiful though. Good for bangs