[polymath]

Firstly, half the advice here is uninformed bullshit.

Secondly, you should be careful. The US allows dual citizenship, but you lose your American citizenship if you renounce it to become a citizen of a foreign nation. So basically, if the US government ever finds out, you could lose your citizenship.

I suggest that you read more about the laws involved on both sides before you try to game the system. Dual citizenship is permitted by US law, but renouncing your US citizenship to a foreign power is considered tantamount to renouncing it at home AFAIK.

What do you stand to gain this way? Everything you have said so far can be done without SK citizenship. It sounds like a bit of a pointless scheme.

[christpuncher]

Interesting thread.

To anyone who has a parent who's born in Europe, it might be worth while for you to look into their country's citizenship policies.

My dad was born in Solvenia and as a result I can claim citizenship for myself up until the age 35. I haven't looked into the details yet, but so long as there's no military service requirements or any fucked up dual taxation issues I plan on getting a Slovenian passport in a couple years so I'll have free roam of the Schengen.

[Samseau]

(02-17-2013 08:59 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

I wouldn't risk it man. It's much better to have an American passport, which you already have, than a Korean passport. Regarding dual citizenship, it is certainly not illegal as many have stated. There are cases though that can make it very difficult. For example, if you are a Swiss citizen, you are supposed to serve in the army for x amount of time. This could be a problem because if you serve in any other countries army, then you will get your American passport revoked. In this case though, I think there are ways around serving in the Swiss army. There are usually hoops you can jump through to get around this kind of stuff. I find it odd though that they would want you to give up your American passport in S. Korea since the US and SK are allies.

No way do I want to give up my US pass.

[bojangles]

Samseau I'm wondering if your mother becoming a Korean citizen might actually make it easier for you after that's been done.

Right now neither of you are Korean citizens so the citizenship qualification might be different. Once she gets a citizenship it might be easier for you

[Samseau]

(02-18-2013 09:17 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Samseau I'm wondering if your mother becoming a Korean citizen might actually make it easier for you after that's been done.

Right now neither of you are Korean citizens so the citizenship qualification might be different. Once she gets a citizenship it might be easier for you

Yes of course. I thought that was implied.

I called the Ministry of Justice again last night... got put on hold, then a voice said all lines were busy and to call back later and then I got hung up on. Ahhh love bureaucracies.

[Bad Hussar]

It seems to me your US citizenship and passport are not at risk. The US, like other sane countries, allows dual-nationality. It's the Koreans who will cancel your Korean passport if they find out that you have not renounced your US citizenship. If so what's the big deal? You are just back to where you started. I doubt you'd be arrested and charged in Korea, though obviously I am not speaking from experience.

I do have experience travelling on multiple passports. I have three, but all three countries allow multiple nationality. But they do want you to enter the country on the passport of that country. So if you have British and Canadian citizenship and have just landed in Toronto you must show your Canadian passport. They are not cool with you entering on a British passport if you also have a Canadian one. It's all down to diplomatic issues, tax issues and who knows ahat other issues. Basically they don't wan you to be able to escape any obligation as a national.

I do know of an Asian (not Korean) national who was in this predicament. He was stalling on accepting Canadian citizenship because it meant he'd have t give up his original citizenship. He also said, though, that many people just do not let the authorities know and get a second passport anyway.

[Celtic]

Be careful with this. Korea has conscription, so you may end up drafted into the Korean Army.

[polymath]

(02-18-2013 12:52 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

It seems to me your US citizenship and passport are not at risk. The US, like other sane countries, allows dual-nationality.

Not to harp on this, but what you're saying is far from true. The US will not allow dual citizenship if you voluntarily naturalize in another country with the intent to relinquish your US citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/...p_778.html

Samseau, if you're serious about this you should look through some other sources rather than this forum. The act of renouncing your US citizenship to South Korea would be grounds to lose your US citizenship if the US ever finds out.

[Sebastian]

haha you don't have to worry about going to the army.
I don't think they will even accept you because you look different.

[Bad Hussar]

(02-19-2013 01:24 AM)polymath Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:52 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

It seems to me your US citizenship and passport are not at risk. The US, like other sane countries, allows dual-nationality.

Not to harp on this, but what you're saying is far from true. The US will not allow dual citizenship if you voluntarily naturalize in another country with the intent to relinquish your US citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/...p_778.html

Samseau, if you're serious about this you should look through some other sources rather than this forum. The act of renouncing your US citizenship to South Korea would be grounds to lose your US citizenship if the US ever finds out.

Hi Polymath

Good find. You are right, people should be careful. It seems a bit of a gray area.

To my (non-legal) mind the wording on the link would seem to indicate that if you obtain a friendly nations citizenship, even if their law requires you to revoke your US citizenship, you are OK with Uncle Sam as long as you don't actually do it (i.e. You don't actually revoke your US citizenship formally as per US law). But I fully agree that this interpretation could be wrong and Samseau needs to get legal advice.

[booshala]

Forget Korea if you want second citizenship for the reasons you mentioned, Samseau. As a Korean American that used to work in Seoul, I had a bitch of a time settling citizenship matters (Korea/US) because I never formally renounced my Korean citizenship when my family naturalized here in the US. Besides, the US and the ROK are close allies and they have both extradition and tax treaties. If you do decide to go through with it, the best that can happen is that you'll pay taxes in both countries... the worst that can happen is that they will force you into mandatory military service, unless you're nearing 40, which by your "dance game" thread, I'm guessing you're not.

If you want bank secrecy, tax advantages and a fast track to citizenship, I'd suggest Uruguay. The process is streamlined, you only need to prove that you make $500 a month, they have no tax treaty with the US and it's a sleepy little country that nobody cares about in case shit hits the fan in the US. I've already looked into it and am seriously considering it.

[booshala]

(02-19-2013 01:59 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

haha you don't have to worry about going to the army.
I don't think they will even accept you because you look different.

Not so sure about that. I have a half American half Korean friend that got involuntarily drafted into the army. His Korean was terrible too, so they made him one of those KATUSA's, basically an envoy between the US and Korean soldiers.

[Samseau]

(02-21-2013 03:21 AM)booshala Wrote:  

If you want bank secrecy, tax advantages and a fast track to citizenship, I'd suggest Uruguay. The process is streamlined, you only need to prove that you make $500 a month, they have no tax treaty with the US and it's a sleepy little country that nobody cares about in case shit hits the fan in the US. I've already looked into it and am seriously considering it.

Thanks for the tip. This is why I love this forum.

[booshala]

(02-21-2013 06:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 03:21 AM)booshala Wrote:  

If you want bank secrecy, tax advantages and a fast track to citizenship, I'd suggest Uruguay. The process is streamlined, you only need to prove that you make $500 a month, they have no tax treaty with the US and it's a sleepy little country that nobody cares about in case shit hits the fan in the US. I've already looked into it and am seriously considering it.

Thanks for the tip. This is why I love this forum.

Glad to help, PM me if you want recs to reputable lawyers who can handle the paperwork for a few grand... You could do it yourself for a couple hundred but you better be a fluent Spanish speaker with excellent legal vocab en Espanol.

[Giovonny]

(02-17-2013 07:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm only a quarter Korean

Samseau's mom is half Korean!!!



Now, this comment (from another thread) sounds funny to me..

(02-07-2013 09:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

this is a good indictment against the failure of multiculturalism.

Aren't you a living, breathing, example of successful multiculturalism???

Korean culture + American culture = Samseau.

If there was no multiculturism, there would be no Samseau!

If Europeans never came to America, there would be no Giovonny. We are both the product of multicultural circumstances.

I'm not suggesting that all multicultural situations will be successful. I'm only saying that some multicultural situations workout okay.

Also, breeding 2 different races within the same species can sometimes lead to genetic advantages; You could be an example of this..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

Example: Mixed women are often beautiful.

[Samseau]

(02-22-2013 01:02 AM)booshala Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 06:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 03:21 AM)booshala Wrote:  

If you want bank secrecy, tax advantages and a fast track to citizenship, I'd suggest Uruguay. The process is streamlined, you only need to prove that you make $500 a month, they have no tax treaty with the US and it's a sleepy little country that nobody cares about in case shit hits the fan in the US. I've already looked into it and am seriously considering it.

Thanks for the tip. This is why I love this forum.

Glad to help, PM me if you want recs to reputable lawyers who can handle the paperwork for a few grand... You could do it yourself for a couple hundred but you better be a fluent Spanish speaker with excellent legal vocab en Espanol.

I hope you stay on this forum for at least a few more years, because I won't be doing this anytime soon.

[Samseau]

(02-24-2013 02:54 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 07:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm only a quarter Korean

Samseau's mom is half Korean!!!



Now, this comment (from another thread) sounds funny to me..

(02-07-2013 09:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

this is a good indictment against the failure of multiculturalism.

Aren't you a living, breathing, example of successful multiculturalism???

Korean culture + American culture = Samseau.

If there was no multiculturism, there would be no Samseau!

If Europeans never came to America, there would be no Giovonny. We are both the product of multicultural circumstances.

I'm not suggesting that all multicultural situations will be successful. I'm only saying that some multicultural situations workout okay.

Also, breeding 2 different races within the same species can sometimes lead to genetic advantages; You could be an example of this..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

Example: Mixed women are often beautiful.

Actually... my mother was adopted from South Korea. She was left at an orphanage when she was young and the reason my grandmother picked my mother was because she was white with strong Asian features.

The head of the orphanage said that my mother would face intense discrimination growing up as a white girl in an Asian society (this was back in the 1960's), so my grandmother took the most pity on her.

I'm guessing my mother was the bastard child of some Korean woman who couldn't resist some white soldier stationed at the border in Seoul, but, since she couldn't bear the shame of having a child out of wedlock she dropped my mother off at an orphanage.

Thus my mother's example is a strong case against multi-culturalism, because it was my adoptive white grandmother who spared my mother a horrible fate in Korea.

Also, my case is a good example of why I'm against abortion... had my mother been conceived in 2012, she wouldn't have been dropped off at an orphanage, she would have been just another discarded fetus.

[Samseau]

That said, just because I'm against multi-culturalism doesn't mean I'm against racial inter-marriage, because in a mono-culturalist society there will be the expectation of a woman or man marrying in to another culture of adopting it.

[Giovonny]

Sam,

Thanks for the response. Lots of interesting stuff going on here. A white solider goes to Korea, bangs a Korean woman, has a half korean/half white baby. That baby gets left at an orphanage and adopted. Wow, crazy shit. Its amazing how close you came to being born in Korea. Its amazing how close you came to never being born at all. If America never would have went to war, you would probably not be here. Life is fucking crazy. If Europeans never came to America, I would not be here. My mom almost aborted me. We are pretty lucky.

I don't even care to get into a discussion about multi-culturism. It almost seems irrelevant at this moment. We are lucky to be alive. The world has always been a collection of many cultures. Is that good or bad? I think it just depends on the situation and the people involved.

[Samseau]

(02-25-2013 05:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Sam,

Thanks for the response. Lots of interesting stuff going on here. A white solider goes to Korea, bangs a Korean woman, has a half korean/half white baby. That baby gets left at an orphanage and adopted. Wow, crazy shit. Its amazing how close you came to being born in Korea. Its amazing how close you came to never being born at all. If America never would have went to war, you would probably not be here. Life is fucking crazy. If Europeans never came to America, I would not be here. My mom almost aborted me. We are pretty lucky.

I don't even care to get into a discussion about multi-culturism. It almost seems irrelevant at this moment. We are lucky to be alive. The world has always been a collection of many cultures. Is that good or bad? I think it just depends on the situation and the people involved.

And you know what dude? The story of my birth is probably one of the lesser crazier things that has happened to me...

[Giovonny]

(02-25-2013 06:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 05:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Sam,

Thanks for the response. Lots of interesting stuff going on here. A white solider goes to Korea, bangs a Korean woman, has a half korean/half white baby. That baby gets left at an orphanage and adopted. Wow, crazy shit. Its amazing how close you came to being born in Korea. Its amazing how close you came to never being born at all. If America never would have went to war, you would probably not be here. Life is fucking crazy. If Europeans never came to America, I would not be here. My mom almost aborted me. We are pretty lucky.

I don't even care to get into a discussion about multi-culturism. It almost seems irrelevant at this moment. We are lucky to be alive. The world has always been a collection of many cultures. Is that good or bad? I think it just depends on the situation and the people involved.

And you know what dude? The story of my birth is probably one of the lesser crazier things that has happened to me...

Really?!? Fuck!?!

Okay, I'm curious. If this is one of the least crazy things to happen to you..What is one of the more crazy things that has happened to you???

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

You're basically asian and don't have problems with white girls?



Just kidding.

[Giovonny]

I also want to say this...

Half Asian/Half White girls a fucking hot! Maybe my favorite right now!

(02-25-2013 05:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

just because I'm against multi-culturalism doesn't mean I'm against racial inter-marriage

At first, I didn't get this..

How could you be against multi-culturalism but not against inter-racial marriage? But, now I think I understand what you mean.

In fact, I am now less supportive of all out multi-culturalism now. Why?

My cousin has a fish tank. He has to be careful what fish he puts in the tank. Some fish will kill each other immediately. Others get along. You just never know.

Same with cats and dogs. Some will fight, some get along.

We have to be careful when we mix groups of living creatures. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Okay, now I gotta go post over at Roissy, just kidding!

[Multe]

(02-17-2013 07:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

My mother was born in Seoul, and then adopted to America at age 4. Recently I banged a South Korean chick (one of the things I do to game Asians is tell them I'm half Korean, even though I'm only a quarter Korean) and she told me I might be eligible for dual citizenship.

So I called up my local Korean embassy, and they told me my mother is eligible for dual citizenship. I asked them if the rules would apply for me, and they told me I'd have to call the Ministry of Justice in Korea directly. So I waited until late that night and called up the Ministry of Justice, and they told me:

- My mother would get citizenship approved ASAP
- I would be eligible for fast citizenship, one or two years of living time required, but that I'd have to renounce my US citizenship.

I hung up and it got my hamster spinning. Would it be possible to get my Korean citizenship and then somehow avoid letting the US authorities know about it?

Let's say I report my existing US passport as lost, and then get a second one. I spend a year in Korea (while traveling everywhere in Asia) and then apply for citizenship. I give them the old passport, get my Korean passport, and then leave the country before anyone catches on.

What do you guys think? Feasible? Possible? Worth it?

It is possible, but not worth it. I have dual citizenship, and its very valuable, but if you had to choose between South Korean and American, stick with the American for now.

[Major Tom]

(02-25-2013 05:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 02:54 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 07:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm only a quarter Korean

Samseau's mom is half Korean!!!



Now, this comment (from another thread) sounds funny to me..

(02-07-2013 09:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

this is a good indictment against the failure of multiculturalism.

Aren't you a living, breathing, example of successful multiculturalism???

Korean culture + American culture = Samseau.

If there was no multiculturism, there would be no Samseau!

If Europeans never came to America, there would be no Giovonny. We are both the product of multicultural circumstances.

I'm not suggesting that all multicultural situations will be successful. I'm only saying that some multicultural situations workout okay.

Also, breeding 2 different races within the same species can sometimes lead to genetic advantages; You could be an example of this..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

Example: Mixed women are often beautiful.

Actually... my mother was adopted from South Korea. She was left at an orphanage when she was young and the reason my grandmother picked my mother was because she was white with strong Asian features.

The head of the orphanage said that my mother would face intense discrimination growing up as a white girl in an Asian society (this was back in the 1960's), so my grandmother took the most pity on her.

I'm guessing my mother was the bastard child of some Korean woman who couldn't resist some white soldier stationed at the border in Seoul, but, since she couldn't bear the shame of having a child out of wedlock she dropped my mother off at an orphanage.

Thus my mother's example is a strong case against multi-culturalism, because it was my adoptive white grandmother who spared my mother a horrible fate in Korea.

Also, my case is a good example of why I'm against abortion... had my mother been conceived in 2012, she wouldn't have been dropped off at an orphanage, she would have been just another discarded fetus.

I think things are getting better there now. My story: I was born as a US citizen in Seoul and grew up in Korea for the first 7 years of my life (I am ethnically full Korean), and attended school on a US air force base. Many of my elementary school classmates were half-Korean, half-white children who were products of marriages/dalliances between local Korean women and US soldiers--it was so common I never thought anything of it, let alone witness any overt "discrimination" (this was in the mid-1990's). I remember back in 2006 after the Steelers won Super Bowl XL and Hines Ward won MVP, he went back to Korea with his mom on a publicity tour to advocate against discrimination against biracial children like himself. He was received like a king. Korea's one of the most ethnically homogenous countries on earth and for better or worse it'll stay that way, but I'd say now it's definitely better than the reality your mother would have had to face had she stayed behind.