[Prof. Ligate]

I'm not a fan of traditional pick-up material.

I think some of it serves it's purpose to a degree when starting out (conversational threads, getting your vibe right etc) - but once you get to an intermediate level of game it renders itself fairly pointless.

I got into Roosh's style of seduction through 'Bang' which breaks down the process like a science in a fairly atypical non-PUA fashion for beginners. Again though, once your confidence is at that nice level and you're not a retard that doesn't know what to say to a girl any more... most game material renders itself useless.

I very very rarely encounter any PUA stuff that is worth sharing with friends, but someone in the local pickup community linked me to a free webinar off this JMULV guy (ex-RSD lol) who is apparently closing in on 500 lays.

Maybe you've heard of him: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...crets.html

Apparently he does ridiculously expensive bootcamps and all that other normal bullshit - but I watched the free webinar all the way through and took a screenshot of a nice little flowchart that I thought was worth saving:

Speed Closing Flowchart



Only sharing this because I've tried it... I've tested it... and in the last two weeks I've had my 2 quickest SNLs ever.

In line to a backpacker club with an 18 year old German chick. And one sip deep with a 25 year old Aussie at my usual bar.

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The Method

- Approach:
You say a non-retarded opener (aka not 'what is your spirit animal' or 'stop looking at your socks') - I use either 'dont look like you're having so much fun' or 'hey I want to meet you, whats your name?'

The focus should be on vocal tonality (calm, deep, relaxed), eye contact (heavy, sexual intent), body language (don't lean in [preferably back a little], slightly angled away, good posture) and physicality (arm touch/ grab, hand rested behind neck etc).

- Attraction:
Here is where I find this method pushes away from more conventional material. I used to always look for 'cues' when trying to chat up a girl. If she likes me she'll ask me questions 'what's your name?' or if she's really into me 'where do you live?'. I got to a stage where close to 50% of my approaches are asking me these questions... but if this is the case what is the actual point in waiting for these cues 'waiting' to see if she's into me?

Instead of waiting for her to find out your logistical situation you should be gauging hers. Who is she here with? Big group? Best friend? Lost her friends?

Where does she live? In the same general direction as you?

I think there's a common misconception that asking girls questions is somehow pedestalizing women. It should instead be seen as you trying to find out the girls situation so you can bang her tonight.

My progression through the 'attraction' phase of this method usually ends up something like this: Ramble -> Who are you here with? Special occasion? -> Ramble; joke; work my hand to waist -> Where abouts do you live? -> Joke about the area -> Ramble -> What are you doing after this?

The biggest sticking point I've personally encountered is not asking 'what are you doing after this?' soon enough. You want to 'plant the seed' of her coming home with you as quickly as possible. I realised recently, recalling previous SNLs, that 90% of them take only 30 minutes to 1 hour (approach to close [cab to mine etc]).

I basically just put out there something along the lines of 'we are having drinks at mine after this. you seem cool; you should come'.

I thought this was way too forward when I first tried it... bringing it up so early in the conversation. When I thought this my confidence was off and she would exit to 'find friends' or 'go to the bathroom'.

When I am fully confident with the idea of pushing for the quick close however, the girl will usually laugh and say 'maybe' or even ask where I live. From here you want to backtrack, build a little more rapport... and then shoot for the kill.

- Closing:
Unless you are running into a drunk 6 nearing close who likes your look... you will have some objections to girls coming home with you.

I'd say of my approaches using this method, most of the time is spent overcoming objections of girls coming home with me. It's hard though.

You'll have to do a lot of 'two steps forward, one step back'... extra rapport building... all while keeping your eye on the prize. I don't have a huge sample size personally from objections using this method yet... but I'm sure you could envisage the usual:

I can't leave my friends
Your place is too far away
How do I not know your a serial killer
I have work in the morning

This is where you can come unstuck if you lose your cool. What you want to do is overcome these objections as coolly as possible without seeming thirsty - and having the ability to screen out girls that you can't sleep with and number closing instead.

I can't leave my friends. We can text them the address
Your place is too far away It's just 5 minutes down the road. Do you know where XXX is? It's right near there
How do I not know your a serial killer? ... Do you like vodka?
I have work in the morning I've got to be up at 7.

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To conclude
If you are forward, confident and already at an intermediate night-game level - perhaps give this branch of methodology a crack.

Like I said, I've used it to good success in the last three weeks (+3 lays; +3 #closes) while drinking very little and going out twice a week average.

There's only so much game material one can handle... but if you go out regularly you know of the ADD that club girls can have.

Pushing for the speed close only has benefits.

[kaeru]

Interesting post. Formalizing the process of screening DTF girls.

Could you post the chart in a bigger format though ?

[Prof. Ligate]

(12-13-2015 06:04 AM)kaeru Wrote:  

Interesting post. Formalizing the process of screening DTF girls.

Could you post the chart in a bigger format though ?

http://postimg.org/image/50hk3yiw7/full/

The webinar that it's from if you are interested also: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B30fJB0...pBR1U/view

[LA Savage]

(12-13-2015 12:57 AM)Prof. Ligate Wrote:  

I'm not a fan of traditional pick-up material.

Speed Closing Flowchart



There's only so much game material one can handle... but if you go out regularly you know of the ADD that club girls can have.

Pushing for the speed close only has benefits.

Good Stuff I repped you for the flowchart that I can save and send to friends who are into game.

I find this method more efficient for screening and getting girls who are DTF at the moment vs girls who need more warming up and at least a 1st date to bang.

You have to pick you environment carefully and have logistics greatly in your favor for this to work on a regular basis. I have had success with this direct game/speed closing method in various places but I remind you all that you need to have great game and killer instincts for this to work well.

I wish I could post an infield video of me doing this leading to a same day lay but I'm not trying to get into trouble.

I will note that if you guys go out and have logistics issues, then at least have very dark tinted windows on your car, condoms, water, and a towel ready with enough space to fuck a girl in the backseat as that will temporarily solve your logistics issues.

[littleG]

I want to add that over the summer when I was going hard in the city (NYC) that I was frequently rewarded for pushing hard and fast for the close more often than I was when I tried to play for a more traditional bang.

-PJ

[RexImperator]

This is more relevant to Daygame where you might only have a brief window to talk: Do you guys wait for a personal question from a girl that shows she is somewhat interested (as Roosh suggests in Day Bang, i.e. GALNUC) before asking for a number or do you just go for it, if you don't have time?

Mostly I will just eject and let the conversation die, if I'm not getting any signals of interest and time is short. I think GALNUC takes at least 10-15 minutes.

[Prof. Ligate]

(02-12-2016 11:26 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This is more relevant to Daygame where you might only have a brief window to talk: Do you guys wait for a personal question from a girl that shows she is somewhat interested (as Roosh suggests in Day Bang, i.e. GALNUC) before asking for a number or do you just go for it, if you don't have time?

Mostly I will just eject and let the conversation die, if I'm not getting any signals of interest and time is short. I think GALNUC takes at least 10-15 minutes.

You need to see GALNUC as a comfort building process. Comfort building isn't the same as attraction (why a girl can fuck you 5 minutes after meeting you in a club). In my experience most single girls give their number easily out to a guy who they are attracted to. LINUX outlined it well in his response to a previous thread I started on transitioning to day-game: thread-52096...id1163026c

The longer you've spent time talking to a girl however, the less likely she is to flake on a potential date. GALNUC is good for this reason. Makes it seem like she knows you just that little bit more.

What I've started doing recently in all my sets is always pushing for a number close (prefer FB closes though because I have trouble remembering faces lol). If a set is dying out... or she's with a group of friends etc - I'll just go for the FB close as a reference point.

And it's surprising which girls you can actually get out on a date. FB closed a girl I spoke to for 5 minutes when walking to another club last week. Got her on a date... and banged. At the time she straight up told me 'haha giving you my facebook? we have only been talking for a couple of minutes'.

Always be closing.

[RexImperator]

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Comfort building isn't the same as attraction (why a girl can fuck you 5 minutes after meeting you in a club). In my experience most single girls give their number easily out to a guy who they are attracted to.

That's a good point. I rarely ever get the sense that a girl might be attracted to me, so I don't think I understand how that works. For the most part I just talk to girls and nothing happens, and that's that.