[reino341]

Newbie gets flaked a few times -> determines it's the society that is the problem, not him -> stops asking for numbers.

I think you could do a huge favor for yourself if you looked into rsd tyler's videos on youtube about being a hardcase newbie.

[guerrilla]

(02-17-2013 06:38 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Any joke about r*pe or putting drugs in a girls drink is a foulball in my world.

Haha funny enough, i street approached these two hotties walking out of an EDM club and said something stupid like "oh it looks like you're havin so much fun rollin, I so wish I was hangin with molly right now!!!" and it totally backfired. Even mentioning drugs around any girl other than a crackhead has always backfired for me until after I fucked the girl. Hahaha, I don't know why I still stay stupid shit like that sometimes.

[Tigre]

So it looks like the lone wolf SNL attempts aren't working. You could go back to getting phone numbers and try different approaches.

What's your living arrangement? Student housing will put you amongst more gameable girls. If you don't live there, hang out with people who do.

You could drop the idea of a one-on-one date and hang out as a group the second time around. Run comfort game on the girl you want.

Are you getting invites to house parties packed with students? If not, you need to increase your social circle.

What about weekend trips? Get a small group together and take trips to nearby towns or tourist attractions. Hire a car if you don't have access to one.

[guerrilla]

or get male friends to introduce you to girls...social circle game works great and is generally more representative of the real world than cold approach pickup

[Hotwheels]

(02-18-2013 04:41 AM)alphanov Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 09:34 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

I wouldn't even joke about raping. Wake up man it's 2013 I've seen guys get false charges.

I guess they're lagging a few years behind in France, because this line works like a charm to me

And you have banged out how many of these broads again?

[alphanov]

(02-18-2013 09:43 PM)reino341 Wrote:  

Newbie gets flaked a few times -> determines it's the society that is the problem, not him -> stops asking for numbers.

I think you could do a huge favor for yourself if you looked into rsd tyler's videos on youtube about being a hardcase newbie.

I got flaked 100% of times. That's weird, because now I'm the richest, the most confident, the most ripped I've ever been. I used to get dates earlier when I was a poor scrawny douche (but in easier countries).
I've checked the hardcase newbie videos and I don't agree I fit the description. I told you that I'm socially advanced. I get make outs and they offer me drinks. I talk to a group of girls, then their pretty friends join to hear my jokes, while their beta orbiters stand all butthurt hating me. Other guys notice me in pubs, and they come over to make friends. Bartenders and DJ's strike up conversations with me. One butthurt motherfucker tried to kick me out of his party, where I was hitting on chicks belonging to his social circle.

[XXL]

I think it might be player reputation issue? It's pain in the ass

[alphanov]

(02-19-2013 03:50 AM)XXL Wrote:  

I think it might be player reputation issue? It's pain in the ass

Yeah I've got the reputation without the actual benefit of banging some pussy. Luckily, there are still many girls who haven't heard of me.
I've noticed that I'm practically the only guy who ever does cold approaching. In the many instances where I followed your advice to be aloof, kiss her goodbye and let her chase me, by the end of the evening I would still find her with her usual friends, or some other friends that she has known since forever. I often leave the pub alone 10 min before closing hours and observe the people who exit. Never seen any let's-go-to-my-place action going on. It's always friends who come in, the same friends go out.
Two of the girls that I've made out with actually accused me of being a player and searching for a ONS. I tried my best to convince them otherwise, but they escaped nevertheless.

[XXL]

So what do you do that you think might caused girls think you're a player?

PS. I've never told you to "to be aloof, kiss her goodbye and let her chase".

[thegmanifesto]

(02-19-2013 03:01 AM)alphanov Wrote:  

I got flaked 100% of times. That's weird, because now I'm the richest, the most confident, the most ripped I've ever been. I used to get dates earlier when I was a poor scrawny douche (but in easier countries).

Which other easier countries?

[alphanov]

(02-19-2013 09:24 AM)XXL Wrote:  

So what do you do that you think might caused girls think you're a player?

PS. I've never told you to "to be aloof, kiss her goodbye and let her chase".

I think the very fact that I'm a hitting on them in a pub gives me away immediately (apparently hardly anybody has any balls to do that here).
Here's my brand new plan for the next girl who's very interested in me (happens every other night). After 15 mins of fun talking, when the opportunity for some privacy presents itself, I'll lower the alpha guard and show her affection. I'll tell her that I'm glad to have met her, that we're going along great, and try to instill an idea of a future meeting with me. They don't even have a word for "date", so I'll just start telling her about the various activities we could do in the following days and try to get a positive response. I think a little romance wouldn't hurt with those French girls. Gotta be careful not to sound needy (i.e. I've had a crush on you since the 5th grade kind of needy).

[alphanov]

(02-19-2013 09:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Which other easier countries?

Czech Republic, Lithuania, hell even India was easier!! Never been to the US, but the pussy that trickles down from there is pathetically easy (shame on you, sluts). Been to the UK a few times, no bang, but chicks approached me themselves, and one 4 wouldn't even let me go.

[guerrilla]

how can he have a player reputation if he doesn't pull?

If you don't pull and you get a reputation, it's that you're the "horny guy who's always hitting on chicks". It goes without saying that this is much less preferable than the player reputation.

You need to be seen with platonic friends to show that you're a socially adjusted individual.

[alphanov]

Okay, I've tried the new strategy. I've focused my attention on this pretty girl who was in the pub with two other female friends. She was immediately friendly, bombarding me with all kinds of questions, and we had a fun chat/flirt for about 15 mins. She also offered me a shot from the bottle they've ordered. To sum up, if this girl wasn't into me, I don't know who is.
However, we were getting increasingly distracted by her friends, and social pressure built up for her to get back to them. I've timely proposed that we meet again for a chat in a more quiet pub, I pay back her the shot with interest, she was enthusiastic about it, we fixed a time next Tuesday and the venue. The GSM network is blocked inside the pub, so I couldn't call her immediately to verify her number. I've texted her today to check if the number's correct and she does not respond.
(Later a similar scenario happened, but the girl preferred a fast food joint. Whatever, we agreed on the venue, Wednesday 5pm because she has to get up early for work. Guess what, she doesn't respond either.)
I think I'll keep trying with this strategy for a while. Being friendly pays off, at least I'm getting drinks and cigarettes

[guerrilla]

yo man, in these tight-knit social circle towns you can't just run game on the target, but you gotta engage the entire group. Like the spice girls sang in WannaBe: "If you wanna be my lover you gotta get wit my friends."

If the entire peer group accepts you, target will too. It sounds as if you're just chatting up your target girl while mainly ignoring her friends. No matter how hard you try to convince a cold-approach girl in a small community that her time would be better spent with you than her friends, it ain't EVER gonna happen. Gotta get with the friends, gotta befriend the entire group and give it time.

15 minutes is NOTHING when you're talking social circle game. Seriously, with your social circle back home, do you ever hang with a friend for 15 minutes and that's that? Nah, cause you hang with friends the whole night give or take. The same thing here. Instead of sticking around for 15 minutes, hang with the whole group for the whole night, or as long as you can. I know it can be awkward as hell if this is out of your comfort zone, but that's how it goes. Even more important in tight social circles. If you can't hang (like hang for the whole time), then you're out and you're gonna keep getting those flakes.

Be sure that next time you see those chicks you don't act butthurt, I wouldn't even bring it up that they flaked on you, but game the whole group this time.

[alphanov]

(02-23-2013 07:27 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

yo man, in these tight-knit social circle towns you can't just run game on the target, but you gotta engage the entire group. Like the spice girls sang in WannaBe: "If you wanna be my lover you gotta get wit my friends."

If the entire peer group accepts you, target will too. It sounds as if you're just chatting up your target girl while mainly ignoring her friends. No matter how hard you try to convince a cold-approach girl in a small community that her time would be better spent with you than her friends, it ain't EVER gonna happen. Gotta get with the friends, gotta befriend the entire group and give it time.

15 minutes is NOTHING when you're talking social circle game. Seriously, with your social circle back home, do you ever hang with a friend for 15 minutes and that's that? Nah, cause you hang with friends the whole night give or take. The same thing here. Instead of sticking around for 15 minutes, hang with the whole group for the whole night, or as long as you can. I know it can be awkward as hell if this is out of your comfort zone, but that's how it goes. Even more important in tight social circles. If you can't hang (like hang for the whole time), then you're out and you're gonna keep getting those flakes.

Be sure that next time you see those chicks you don't act butthurt, I wouldn't even bring it up that they flaked on you, but game the whole group this time.

I see your point, and it sounds pretty good on paper. I've actually been following this exact policy during my first 200 approaches, with zero results. The problem is, if I divide my attention equally to all members of the group, they don't know who am I really into, and I can't build any particular connection with the girl I like (and she may like me as well). In the end I spend the whole night working as a clown, and none of the girls get to see this man-woman rapport. A few times I've exchanged contacts with one member of the group with the idea that they'll invite me the next time they go out (they never did). Once a girl even proposed to introduce me to her single friends (obviously a trap).

[alphanov]

Field report from yesterday. I think I've managed to figure out just the right ratio of group/individual talking. There was a group of 3 hot girls (two were twin sisters, told ya they hang out in families), and some skanky beta orbiters. Two of the girls went to the smoking patio, and I approached them. They ditched me as soon as they were done smoking, but later they got drunker and changed their mind - they've invited me to join them in another venue. So now I'm infiltrating the group proper. Luckily for me, the third girl was a little silent and not much into the group, so I just pulled her aside and we had a private chat (the rest of the group didn't bother us). I casually dropped the idea of a date, and - bless the game - she's asking if I have a phone number. I've made hundreds of approaches and this is the first time a girl ever asked my number.
Later something ever cooler happened. One of the other girls asked if I wanna kiss my target (we ended up hugging). She was trying to hook us up. I can't imagine a better outcome with the social circle infiltration game.
My target girl texted me when she got home the same night. A few texts later I'm bringing up the date proposal again. No response.

[alphanov]

(02-18-2013 10:18 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

or get male friends to introduce you to girls...social circle game works great and is generally more representative of the real world than cold approach pickup

Tried this shit yesterday. I ran out of approachable girls, so I started talking to this dude. After a while he says "hey you're cool, you wanna come with us?" I ended up going to a night club, with 2 chicks from that group. Since I'm so cool and interesting, a third girl joined to listen my stories. They also offered me some wine. Obviously no bang, just being friendly, as usual.

[alphanov]

(02-18-2013 10:17 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

So it looks like the lone wolf SNL attempts aren't working. You could go back to getting phone numbers and try different approaches.

I tried

(02-18-2013 10:17 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

What's your living arrangement? Student housing will put you amongst more gameable girls. If you don't live there, hang out with people who do.

I'm in a student residence. Now in the 2nd semester most of Erasmus chicks left. There are not so many French girls available, as most are either in relationships (with douches worse than me, which gives me hope) or don't pass my boner test. There was one horny chick looking for cock, but I've scared her off by running the aloof teasing negging game you assholes suggested. Now she's fucking some nice affectionate guy (I've seen them walk by the river holding hands)

(02-18-2013 10:17 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

You could drop the idea of a one-on-one date and hang out as a group the second time around. Run comfort game on the girl you want.

Several groups suggested that we should hang out in the future, we've exchanged contacts but they never invited me anywhere.

(02-18-2013 10:17 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

Are you getting invites to house parties packed with students? If not, you need to increase your social circle.

I do, but these are mostly nerds from my geeky department, so I'm reluctant to go. Or the parties in the residence with no talent.

(02-18-2013 10:17 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

What about weekend trips? Get a small group together and take trips to nearby towns or tourist attractions. Hire a car if you don't have access to one.

I went once for a 2 day hiking trip with a mixed french/foreigners group. Talent pool was meager. Two mediocre chicks (Irish and German) were hitting on me, but they got twat swatted by their female companions.

[Hotwheels]

Quote:

There was one horny chick looking for cock, but I've scared her off by running the aloof teasing negging game you assholes suggested.

Assholes?

If the broad is looking for cock, you play "Don't Fuck It Up" game.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-26-2013 11:08 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote:

There was one horny chick looking for cock, but I've scared her off by running the aloof teasing negging game you assholes suggested.

Assholes?

If the broad is looking for cock, you play "Don't Fuck It Up" game.

Yeah, who suggested "aloof teasing negging game".

I just told you to drop the "rape line" and the "putting drugs in her drink" line, which are the worst lines ever. Horrible and not even funny in the slightest.

And I told you to go check out Annecey and Chalmenny and the coast.

[alphanov]

(02-26-2013 11:15 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And I told you to go check out Annecey and Chalmenny and the coast.

I think I'll have to find a job someplace else... Anyway, I'm stuck in Grenoble until June. If I keep approaching at the present rate, I'll basically exhaust a significant portion of the hot chick talent of this town.
Typically I go out 3 times per week, twice 4 hours in the pub, and once I'll top it with another 4 hours in the night club. This easily gives me 100 approaches per month, and nowadays I'm able to make 90% of them talk to me (soon I'll develop balls to put the rude 10% to their place). However, I approach them in groups of size 2-4, so in a month about 300 hot chicks get to see me in action, and I bet they remember me. I also have proof that they gossip about me, so I estimate that 500 chicks will have seen or heard about me in a month. By the end of June this totals 3000 chicks aged 18-23. The town population is 100,000.
I may not get laid, but at least I'm getting famous. See ya on TV.

[alphanov]

Yo check this out. Last Tuesday I approached 2 pretty girls in the pub. I did my usual group game for about 10 mins, then I've chosen the girl who seemed the most promising. Bingo, she wants to dance with me. We explored each others bodies, I kissed her neck, she cradled her head on my shoulder, grinded her crotch on my thigh while I was grinding my boner against hers. I can still pick up her perfume smell on my shirt. We were dancing for about 15 mins, then I thought I should get back to her friend, but the girl wouldn't let me go. So we kept on dancing passionately for 30-45 mins total, with some interruptions here and there. We were smiling at each other with our faces real close, looking deep in the eyes... it doesn't get any more lovebird than that. I bet her panties were drenched and hormone levels raging. She was only slightly drunk, so I guess she was genuinely into me.
The best part is that her friend approved of us. I told her that I really liked her friend and asked her help in convincing the target girl to see me again. She vividly agreed to do her best.
The target girl wouldn't number close, but since this strategy never worked, I didn't insist too much on it. Instead, she proposed to meet again on Thursday in the same pub. So basically she would come with the same friend. That's cool with me, if it makes her more comfortable. Sooner or later she'll isolate.
You guessed it right, she didn't show up. To conclude: I like her, she likes me, her friend approves of it, we agreed on a low stress date, and she flakes nevertheless.

[alphanov]

Whoever suggested social circle game, behold. I've started a new job last week, and lucky me, there's a 6 working in the same premises. The "don't fuck it up" mode is on. We have plenty of opportunities for chatting, which she initiates more than me. She also lightly brushed against me when there was plenty of room, and that bending over with her cleavage in my eyesight wasn't accidental either. I've decided to make a move before I get relegated to the friendzone.
I don't think that bluntly asking her out for a drink is gonna work with the French girl, not until she definitely knows what's up.
I'll try using microescalation and multi-level communication to get physical with her on the job itself. The Richard La Ruina stuff. We'll talk business business business, while at the same time I slow down the speech and walk close to her, while holding a strong eye contact and my sexiest grin.
Please tell me what do you think of this plan, before I fuck it up

[Insignia]

Talk to the girl you like and then after you have run your game and you get the make out or you know she is into you, bounce venues with her or try to isolate her. So if she is with her, bounce her to a quite place in the bar, talk and make out, then bounce her somewhere outside the bar and then back to your place.