[WEDO]

(01-03-2013 06:03 PM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

If I could quit and reload a save game, here is what I would have done different to get the bang:

1) Activate roaming before leaving spain. Didn’t realise I had to ring my phone company before leaving the company and being unable to phone her for a few hours contributed to her initial bad mood. Get these girls moody and you’re fucked because the LOGICAL SEX aint coming your way buddy.

2) On arrival day I needed to go all out for the bang and that meant getting her pissed enough to temporarily kill the LOGICAL SEX forebrain. Post demibottle of wine over dinner, she was in a good mood and probably a small present and bouncing to a bar near the hotel to get her multiple cocktails down her throat and then standard Tuth first date bang method would have just got me over the line. Problem is logistics are fucked in Venice where you have to walk everywhere and the restaurant was a half hour walk from the center by which time the emotional vibe was dead and we were in logical land again. Also I was aware I had spent over 150 euros that day alone and the idea of dropping 50 euro in a bar was not enticing.

3) Manginas and white knights look away now: After the first night when I realised her attitude was all wrong, I should have verbalised strongly and unemotionally that her behaviour was unacceptable and that she was making me think we were physically incompatible (ala bang final chapter). If she didn’t try to warm me up, there and then tell her she needs to find her own hotel room because I’m here on holiday and she is cockblocking me by being there. Do these FSU girls need their man to aggressively verbalise dissatisfaction, hint at physical force, even physically overcome resistance? My rape game isn’t up to scratch and I didn’t plan to rot to death in the same jail cell as Casanova.

So FSU experts –What would you have done differently? This is clearly an FSU >8 problem because 6s and 7s were doing all the running in Kiev, but I went to FSU to hunt big game, not meerkats. Do I need to full on hardass slavic man on these girls?

The only mistake you made was bringing a girl on vacation that didn't want to have sex with you.

Even if a chick is super hot you have to make sure she is good in bed before you take her on vacation.....broke up with a super hot Colombiana because she absolutely sucked in bed.....sex was painful...had to fuck her in slow motion it seemed like and then I would still hurt her.

Only question that comes to mind is why she even went on vacation with you if she wasn't planning on putting out....that just seems rotten.

[BigAlexBoss]

WEDO - I fully concede i was naive in inviting her for a holiday pre sexing. I postes this on RVF to add to the accumulating travel wisdom: don't invite a girl on a foreign holiday before you have banged her, no matter how DTF she was on the last date.

Agree it was a rotten thing for her to do, but I wont be the last schmuck she does that to.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-07-2013 08:29 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

Only question that comes to mind is why she even went on vacation with you if she wasn't planning on putting out....that just seems rotten.

It isn't an uncommon attitude there.

[jimukr104]

It's very common. They do not feel any shame when you spend money. They do not realize the time it took you to earn it. Besides you should love working,over there it is like hanging out socially. So if you bought a chick a iPhone or something bigger do not think she owes you

[BigAlexBoss]

The day I buy a chick an Iphone or in fact any present over 50 euros.... Is the day I hand in my player registration.

So for shits and giggles I send an email to ukrainian HB9 (who I banged several times in my spanish home base before she became the first ukrainian hottie to go mentally AWOL on me while on holiday in Ibiza).

I thought what the hell, as ive helped her out on the past, maybe she can give me insights as to why herself and HB8 acted so nuts.

I tell her exactly what happened and ask her if I am not understanding well tthe ukrainian female mindset, if i should be taking them in hand more, spending money on gifta etc.

Now i didnt hold much hope that her answer would be useful due to the oft mentioned game maxim.that women are useless to talk tto regarding their own attraction mechanisms which they are either not fully concious of or wont admit to, but HB9 outdoes herself with her reply:

" I can offer you several options for the development of our conversation:

1. I just replied to you from the point of view which you look at the world. In this case you make a decision, correct your behavior and become happy Until destiny hit you with the fact that you do not like. And you have to correct behavior again. This is the way of suffering - so the Buddhists say.

2. In order to really understand what's going on I can hold you. Update your violation subconscious programs. You will begin to see the kind of turn scenarios. We will need to keep a long correspondence. Respond to sensitive issues. You will need to do the practice that you would not like. read a lot of books. That means you'll be on the path of enlightenment (the practitioner) and begin to see the connection of the world. Only in this case, you will cease to deal with unpleasant situations.

Оf course I'm happy to help you my friend.

in reality the situation is much versatility that you're asking me for help. and unfortunately I can not give you an answer in the discourse in which you ask. Because the true answer lies in a slightly different plane. Tell me please, what do you want from women? what do you want from Ukrainian girls?"

Can an FSU veteran translate this shit for me? LOL

[iknowexactly]

(01-05-2013 02:02 AM)rivelino Wrote:  

alex, do you read d&p's blog? the answer is right there in about ten word:

"I won’t buy a girl dinner until we’ve had sex"
http://dangerandplay.com/how-to-tell-if-...reputable/


by offering to give her so much up front with "making her your whore" first -- rough, rough sex, again, see d&p and krauser -- my guess is that she saw the beta sign light up above your head. and a pretty girl simply doesn't want to fuck a beta.

This.

She MUST show she's a reliable fuck ( when you want it) before you start spending money.

Also, is this some kind of club chick? Ukrainians are not as smart as
Russians, (Had 2 Russian GF's and 1 Ukrainian fiancee) but at least some of them RESPECT intelligence and education.

You didn't get to know her well enough at all, and overestimated the value of one might feeling her up. She wasn't a solidly cooperative person at all.

Ukrainians are really like rural people like Kamaki says, they don't have the brains to understand who it is beneficial for them to trust and who to be wary of. So they treat a guy who would fuck her regularly and spend a reasonable amount like you and treat you like a crook.

[tiggaling]

She seems like she has read a lot of "spiritual" books and posits herself as being quite aware and "onto it". Yet, her reply is quite depersonalised, although she has valid questions for you!

It seems she is viewing you as being quite unenlightened, there is an element of disdain there, that you don't "get it".

What you interpret as being "nuts" may be you really not coming to the table (from her perspective) and understanding what a completely different paradigm these women live. The nature of the substance they have and what they have to offer is totally different to what you are used to. She know this. She knows where you are coming from. She is reading you very well, but she does not feel understood in the same way she understands you. Greek Kamaki said something similar before.

It doesn't sound like this chick, is a "material girl" at all. FSU women are not all hardened fem bots trying to get gifts and stuff from men like vampires. They are women too who primarily seek love and connection. If she was not putting out, then I'd say they are not feeling this. I would suspect isn't about the consumeristic materialistic version of romance that she is seeking! (not that I am accusing you of that ;-) Being upper middle class English has its down sides, having feelings and making connections are for sure not strong points in that culture!

I like FSU women because there is a deeper relational paradigm there, it is more of a mystery, there is potential for true romance there, not some schmaltzy version that western women dream of, but something very powerful and metaphysical in nature.

[jimukr104]

(01-07-2013 07:39 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  

She seems like she has read a lot of "spiritual" books and posits herself as being quite aware and "onto it". Yet, her reply is quite depersonalised, although she has valid questions for you!

It seems she is viewing you as being quite unenlightened, there is an element of disdain there, that you don't "get it".

What you interpret as being "nuts" may be you really not coming to the table (from her perspective) and understanding what a completely different paradigm these women live. The nature of the substance they have and what they have to offer is totally different to what you are used to. She know this. She knows where you are coming from. She is reading you very well, but she does not feel understood in the same way she understands you. Greek Kamaki said something similar before.

It doesn't sound like this chick, is a "material girl" at all. FSU women are not all hardened fem bots trying to get gifts and stuff from men like vampires. They are women too who primarily seek love and connection. If she was not putting out, then I'd say they are not feeling this. I would suspect isn't about the consumeristic materialistic version of romance that she is seeking! (not that I am accusing you of that ;-) Being upper middle class English has its down sides, having feelings and making connections are for sure not strong points in that culture!

I like FSU women because there is a deeper relational paradigm there, it is more of a mystery, there is potential for true romance there, not some schmaltzy version that western women dream of, but something very powerful and metaphysical in nature.

In the end it comes to having a BIG stick.

[tiggaling]

(01-07-2013 08:13 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

In the end it comes to having a BIG stick.

As long as she gets to see it!

[bojangles]

Alex, that sounds like she's got in 'touch with her spiritual side' sort of thing. She's become a buddhist? She's asked some relevant questions though around what you want and want to do, but you already know the answer to those, she did not help though in reality, tell her cut to the chase .

[Greek kamaki]

It just means:
1.As a slavic girl I believe in fate and destiny.
2.As an English with sense of superiority over other cultures you are limited and need to be educated.
3.What comes about comes around.If you want to fuck Ukrainian girls you will be fucked by them.If you had intentions to marry one I would be on your side.

Generally the concepts of slavic spirituality, slavic soul, belief in destiny and superstitions are rather crucial in understanding the logic of slavic women often totally crazy by western standards (for example when they say I love John but I am I'm love with George).Or when you ask why did you do this absurd thing? she may answer: But it was written in my horoscope.How not to do it?

[east and west]

I think you should not bother with these women, I had dated some of these before, but now days I ask why I care because I can put my productive energies elsewhere. Those bitches They don't deserve my hard earned cash.

[Greek kamaki]

''1. I just replied to you from the point of view which you look at the world. In this case you make a decision, correct your behavior and become happy Until destiny hit you with the fact that you do not like. And you have to correct behavior again. This is the way of suffering - so the Buddhists say.''

This means in your journey of life you thought you will find hapiness in spending time with a good looking Ukrainian girl.It did not work out.This is useful for you as an experience or hint of what to search later.

''2. In order to really understand what's going on I can hold you. Update your violation subconscious programs. You will begin to see the kind of turn scenarios. We will need to keep a long correspondence. Respond to sensitive issues. You will need to do the practice that you would not like. read a lot of books. That means you'll be on the path of enlightenment (the practitioner) and begin to see the connection of the world. Only in this case, you will cease to deal with unpleasant situations.''

This means you should take slavic women as they are and stop analyzing their behaviour.Their behaviour has to do with their destiny.It just was not about to happen.So you have to be calm because in the same way she expected a different thing than she actually met.It is a hint and message for her as well.

''in reality the situation is much versatility that you're asking me for help. and unfortunately I can not give you an answer in the discourse in which you ask. Because the true answer lies in a slightly different plane. Tell me please, what do you want from women? what do you want from Ukrainian girls?"

This means you get results according to your intentions and expectations.If you have good intention you will get good result.Otherwise you get punished.Punishment by God's hand for wantnig to deprive a girl's sexual freedom by binding her through material offers is the double sword procedure.Slavic girls are free to decide.You cannot change that.
So she suggests you should be more sensitive to subcommunication hints of her which you had ignored thus obscuring your judgement about what was going to happen.