[rudebwoy]

Let's face it, they come from a different world than most of us.
Communism took alot out of these people and it left a mark on most of them, if you have travelled to some of these regions you will see some real shitholes. If you look at Russia, the people seem to have money now and are making up for lost time.
Funny enough these girls have never been easy to get into bed, once you do get to that point they are complete sexual monsters which is a reason they are rated so high.
Mcqueen made an excellent point about having the latest car, I was driving my friend's 2011 Mercedes truck leaving some stupid bar a few months back. My friend rolled down the window as we approached a czech hottie, she smiled and said nice truck. Then she stated she has the same SUV but bragged her's is a newer one, right away she wanted to know what we did for a living.
I will say though, the best hospitality I ever had was in Hungary visiting an ex girlfriends family.

[Brosemite]

(12-21-2012 11:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Let's face it, they come from a different world than most of us.
Communism took alot out of these people and it left a mark on most of them, if you have travelled to some of these regions you will see some real shitholes. If you look at Russia, the people seem to have money now and are making up for lost time.
Funny enough these girls have never been easy to get into bed, once you do get to that point they are complete sexual monsters which is a reason they are rated so high.
Mcqueen made an excellent point about having the latest car, I was driving my friend's 2011 Mercedes truck leaving some stupid bar a few months back. My friend rolled down the window as we approached a czech hottie, she smiled and said nice truck. Then she stated she has the same SUV but bragged her's is a newer one, right away she wanted to know what we did for a living.
I will say though, the best hospitality I ever had was in Hungary visiting an ex girlfriends family.

I experienced Hungary being new money & pretentious, but I never really felt that way about Czech people. @ least when I was in Prague, the people there came off as stiff at first but then eventually friendly while possessing more simplistic fashions & more of a blue collar mentality.

[cibo]

(12-21-2012 11:40 PM)rastignac Wrote:  

I am a serious guy in my late 40's. Fairly reserved and introverted. Fit, 6' tall, athletic, white. Dress well. I speak minimal Russian.

In Ukraine, I clean-up. Constant flirtation from girls, smiles. No game required.

Ukrainian women are generally serious, mature even in their early 20's. They have pretty dark sense of humor.

I agree with this assessment.

I was only in Kiev for a short time the place seemed more friendly to my style of game than UK or US and had girls constantly eye flirting with me there.

Also the Ukrainians and Russians I've known in London I've gotten along with since we have a similar humor and personality style. I didn't convert them since that was before I really studied game but looking back I was damn close to pulling the Russian model in my bschool even though she had an investment banker bf.

[east and west]

depend in on your taste, if you like mature, go for ukranian, if you want childish ones, go for argentinian/or countries with heavy spanish influence, and americans in their early to mid 20s.

[east and west]

never been to kiev, when does it get warm? i am afraid of cold

[Gaston]

G,

generally speaking, your style is more suited for USA, Canada, Latin America, Britain, and less so for Russia, Germany, France, or any other similar "thinking" society. Your lack of success with FSU girls stems from the fact that you have a style that is highly incompatible with their cultural mindset. No offense personally, but you come across as having a big persona which overwhelms with flash and certain retro-rhetoric that is book-learned... to the point that any substance you may have takes a back seat to everything else. I was born and raised in Europe, but culturally am rather American (having spent there most of my life) and even as a man, as your fellow brother-in-arms, I find your persona overwhelming in a wrong way. I mean look at your forum posts, each sentence starts in a new paragraph. I mean, c'mon, who else does that? And even your signature contains nine separate lines (by far the largest sig around). So even if you write five short sentences your posts actually unnecessarily takes 28 lines of space (counting white lines), instead of one line as the case is with most everyone else. So you grab most of screen real estate for no reason other than your unabashed strategic love of your marketing self. Which again signifies all flash, and no substance. You might as well be a bull in a china shop if you know what I'm saying. By carelessly throwing your weight around a lot of Europeans will see you as this big, loud American buffoon who's trying to transfer his marketing-driven lifestyle into their midst (which isn't culturally compatible).

I don't know anything about you personally but from the little I read by way of your storytelling narrative I picture you as a kind of guy who rolls (you don't just arrive, you roll-in) in front of a club in a Cadillac Escalade (you need a large car to fits your large personality) with a crew/entourage of your trusted homeys. In a custom suit (oops make sure that purple pocket square doesn't get wrinkled), extending your regular valet guy a warm greeting consisting of elaborate urban handshake (also a hand in which a crips 20-dollar bill is folded), and an offer of Monte Cristo (from a custom designed box of course) fresh from Habana Vieja ... every step of your way during entire evening carefully pre-planed and pre-designed ahead of time.

I don't care if this is actually true or not, the point is that it could well be true because it corresponds with your self-portrayed public persona (of a bit of a timeless gentleman with old school values (back when crime figures were contributing members of community) who at the same time is fool of himself because he believes THAT is what takes for him to be winning). Now, that may be a fly way to roll in the US society which is enamored with superficial and hates any examination of real depth, but try that in Russia and you will look downright silly (besides, your old school values are uniquely American to begin with as old school values in Russia are entirely different). So to a Russian girl, it gets problematic when your entire persona and social interactions start appearing contrived, and foreign to boot.

And you admit to being a bit of a chatterbox, too friendly, and you smile too much. For a person whose avatar is that of a gun, I mean, what's up with that?? You'd have much better success if you clued in on all the nuances, and had a dark, brooding stance, your unwavering body language leading the way. The what you do, not what you say (as long as what you do isn't fake). Russian/Serbian/Bulgarian women love strong, silent types. Mystery goes a long way there. And mystery is totally opposite of your Muhammad Ali game. See where the problem is?

Everyone has to understand that these women grew up on Soviet-style cultural paradigm. That means hearing of all the troubling and heroic times from their parents and grandparents and the state, including reading the books that are substantial in their examination of human condition. By the time they are 16-year-olds virtually all of them have read Anna Karenina and Brothers Karamazov, and Trial, while by the time they are 16 - American and British girls read Harry Potter. See the difference? Not to mention that they are very clued in on the American fake culture emanating from contemporary Hollywood where fame is a product of hype machine (Hilton, Kardashian, etc.) and not a byproduct of talent or earned success... and whose values then spill over in a look at me society at large. So regular Russian women (not to be confused with gold-diggers and visa-whores) are very rooted in the reality perspective, and that's why they don't care about anyone's accessories-filled persona, particularly if they are perceived as being a result of some hype machine.

In short, they just want you for you.

They want you as a M - as in Man, not as a M - as in Marketing Manifesto.

They want a real man-person, not a contrived man-concept.

[billy]

I traditionally have done well with EE girls and struggled like fuck with girls from hotter countries , I never had to work with Russians it always just happened. Now my game has started to improve in certain areas, in terms of more approaches, being more alpha and aggressive, not to mention getting in much better shape physically, I actually find EE girls harder its like I have to quieten down and turn everything to half power or half volume to make it work.

[Wolverine]

There is no game with Russian and Ukrainian girls.

Unlike western women, soviet girls are perfectly aware of what type of man they are after. They either like you from the very outset or dislike you from the very outset. The only game involved is knowing which of these 2 categories you are in, as it is not always obvious.

Their criteria is:
- Genetic profile
- Nationality
- Perceived wealth

The man has little or no control over the attraction process.

If you are in the dislike category, there is nothing you can do to change her mind with game or trying to build a connection. She may be responsive if you show yourself to be a charismatic guy but she wont go home with you. You have wasted your time gaming her.

If you are in the like category she will date you, sleep with you, marry and have your children even if you have no common interests, no chemistry or connection.

Girls in Russia and Ukraine are not nearly as complicated as you posters make them out to be. Their thinking is very linear.

[jimukr104]

Lol wolverine. My wife said went she met me that what attracted her first was that I am guy "girls want to fuck and procreate with". I felt like an object lol. She said that it's programed for them to want me.
Funny thing is I think young girls today are being westerner programed.
I am 6 ft athletic/slim build wide shoulders and dressed in dark clothing back then. Dark hair and eyes very deep set eyes and chicks you to pinch my ass in Kiev.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-22-2012 07:36 AM)Gaston Wrote:  

G,

generally speaking, your style is more suited for USA, Canada, Latin America, Britain, and less so for Russia, Germany, France, or any other similar "thinking" society. Your lack of success with FSU girls stems from the fact that you have a style that is highly incompatible with their cultural mindset. No offense personally, but you come across as having a big persona which overwhelms with flash and certain retro-rhetoric that is book-learned... to the point that any substance you may have takes a back seat to everything else. I was born and raised in Europe, but culturally am rather American (having spent there most of my life) and even as a man, as your fellow brother-in-arms, I find your persona overwhelming in a wrong way. I mean look at your forum posts, each sentence starts in a new paragraph. I mean, c'mon, who else does that? And even your signature contains nine separate lines (by far the largest sig around). So even if you write five short sentences your posts actually unnecessarily takes 28 lines of space (counting white lines), instead of one line as the case is with most everyone else. So you grab most of screen real estate for no reason other than your unabashed strategic love of your marketing self. Which again signifies all flash, and no substance. You might as well be a bull in a china shop if you know what I'm saying. By carelessly throwing your weight around a lot of Europeans will see you as this big, loud American buffoon who's trying to transfer his marketing-driven lifestyle into their midst (which isn't culturally compatible).

I don't know anything about you personally but from the little I read by way of your storytelling narrative I picture you as a kind of guy who rolls (you don't just arrive, you roll-in) in front of a club in a Cadillac Escalade (you need a large car to fits your large personality) with a crew/entourage of your trusted homeys. In a custom suit (oops make sure that purple pocket square doesn't get wrinkled), extending your regular valet guy a warm greeting consisting of elaborate urban handshake (also a hand in which a crips 20-dollar bill is folded), and an offer of Monte Cristo (from a custom designed box of course) fresh from Habana Vieja ... every step of your way during entire evening carefully pre-planed and pre-designed ahead of time.

I don't care if this is actually true or not, the point is that it could well be true because it corresponds with your self-portrayed public persona (of a bit of a timeless gentleman with old school values (back when crime figures were contributing members of community) who at the same time is fool of himself because he believes THAT is what takes for him to be winning). Now, that may be a fly way to roll in the US society which is enamored with superficial and hates any examination of real depth, but try that in Russia and you will look downright silly (besides, your old school values are uniquely American to begin with as old school values in Russia are entirely different). So to a Russian girl, it gets problematic when your entire persona and social interactions start appearing contrived, and foreign to boot.

And you admit to being a bit of a chatterbox, too friendly, and you smile too much. For a person whose avatar is that of a gun, I mean, what's up with that?? You'd have much better success if you clued in on all the nuances, and had a dark, brooding stance, your unwavering body language leading the way. The what you do, not what you say (as long as what you do isn't fake). Russian/Serbian/Bulgarian women love strong, silent types. Mystery goes a long way there. And mystery is totally opposite of your Muhammad Ali game. See where the problem is?

Everyone has to understand that these women grew up on Soviet-style cultural paradigm. That means hearing of all the troubling and heroic times from their parents and grandparents and the state, including reading the books that are substantial in their examination of human condition. By the time they are 16-year-olds virtually all of them have read Anna Karenina and Brothers Karamazov, and Trial, while by the time they are 16 - American and British girls read Harry Potter. See the difference? Not to mention that they are very clued in on the American fake culture emanating from contemporary Hollywood where fame is a product of hype machine (Hilton, Kardashian, etc.) and not a byproduct of talent or earned success... and whose values then spill over in a look at me society at large. So regular Russian women (not to be confused with gold-diggers and visa-whores) are very rooted in the reality perspective, and that's why they don't care about anyone's accessories-filled persona, particularly if they are perceived as being a result of some hype machine.

In short, they just want you for you.

They want you as a M - as in Man, not as a M - as in Marketing Manifesto.

They want a real man-person, not a contrived man-concept.

Good post.

A lot of truth in there.

Keep in mind though, I don't talk shit like Floyd Mayweather 24/7.

I do have a more mellow side to my personality. As many people who read what I write and don't get it, they take it to the utmost extremes. For instance, I never talk about rolling in Escalades, and I am not a big cigar smoker, but that is neither here nor there.

But I got your point. It really is a personality thing. I have noticed that a lot of guys on here that love FSU don't really get me either. They don't get my humor, and they think I am "mean" and abrasive.

Also, it is not so much a lack of success that concerns me (hell, I have swooped a decent amount of these FSU girls over time, possibly more than many FSU lovers it sounds like), but it is the fact that I make zero connection with them.

And them with me.

---

Reverse question for the guys that get along well with FSU girls:

Do you guys do well with American girls?

Do you roll the beaches of Southern California or Las Vegas or Miami Beach and do well?

[chochemonger1]

(12-22-2012 10:27 AM)Wolverine Wrote:  

There is no game with Russian and Ukrainian girls.

Unlike western women, soviet girls are perfectly aware of what type of man they are after. They either like you from the very outset or dislike you from the very outset. The only game involved is knowing which of these 2 categories you are in, as it is not always obvious.

Their criteria is:
- Genetic profile
- Nationality
- Perceived wealth

The man has little or no control over the attraction process.

If you are in the dislike category, there is nothing you can do to change her mind with game or trying to build a connection. She may be responsive if you show yourself to be a charismatic guy but she wont go home with you. You have wasted your time gaming her.

If you are in the like category she will date you, sleep with you, marry and have your children even if you have no common interests, no chemistry or connection.

Girls in Russia and Ukraine are not nearly as complicated as you posters make them out to be. Their thinking is very linear.

I believe you Wolverine. But since they have such linear thinking, taking 6 months to study Russian, for a Latin guy like me, won´t really help much. At least when it comes to creating comfort or for gaming. I am sure I wont be at the level to talk about Ana Karenina and Brothers Karamazov(two of my favourite novels) lol.

According to how you see them, the only way I will do well in Russia is by emphasizing my American nationality (Or maybe lying about being Brazilian) and by showing that I am a relatively wealthy man.

Genetically speaking I will be at a huge disadvantage. Seems like I will have to find a small niche. Something to think about before heading over there.

[XXL]

Gaston has a good point about the gap.

Basically it comes down to empathy. Different part of the world, different country, different culture, different people, different attitudes, different value systems.

Your fancy game and moves, as smooth and slick they may be, if that doesn't make sense to the girl you are talking to then she can't take you seriously and allow herself and open up to you. Always keep that in mind.

Easy way to disarm potential awkwardness is to tell the girl honestly early in in the interaction.. "I was raised in different part of the world, I'm not familiar with [this country] culture yet so if I come off too strong/cocky/aggressive just let me know, ok?". At least she knows you're actually paying attention to her. That's all it takes to bridge the gap and prevent cultural misunderstandings form happening. If saying that one little simple sentence seems kind of lame/beta to anyone then it's a reflection of some deeper issues not related to this thread.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-22-2012 11:52 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Gaston has a good point about the gap.

Basically it comes down to empathy. Different part of the world, different country, different culture, different people, different attitudes, different value systems.

Your fancy game and moves, as smooth and slick they may be, if that doesn't make sense to the girl you are talking to then she can't take you seriously and allow herself and open up to you. Always keep that in mind.

Easy way to disarm potential awkwardness is to tell the girl honestly early in in the interaction.. "I was raised in different part of the world, I'm not familiar with [this country] culture yet so if I come off too strong/cocky/aggressive just let me know, ok?". At least she knows you're actually paying attention to her. That's all it takes to bridge the gap and prevent cultural misunderstandings form happening. If saying that one little simple sentence seems kind of lame/beta to anyone then it's a reflection of some deeper issues not related to this thread.

That line is dope.

I will use that for sure.

I actually think that is a great line to use on any girl from another country.

[rudebwoy]

(12-22-2012 12:28 AM)yb13 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 11:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Let's face it, they come from a different world than most of us.
Communism took alot out of these people and it left a mark on most of them, if you have travelled to some of these regions you will see some real shitholes. If you look at Russia, the people seem to have money now and are making up for lost time.
Funny enough these girls have never been easy to get into bed, once you do get to that point they are complete sexual monsters which is a reason they are rated so high.
Mcqueen made an excellent point about having the latest car, I was driving my friend's 2011 Mercedes truck leaving some stupid bar a few months back. My friend rolled down the window as we approached a czech hottie, she smiled and said nice truck. Then she stated she has the same SUV but bragged her's is a newer one, right away she wanted to know what we did for a living.
I will say though, the best hospitality I ever had was in Hungary visiting an ex girlfriends family.

I experienced Hungary being new money & pretentious, but I never really felt that way about Czech people. @ least when I was in Prague, the people there came off as stiff at first but then eventually friendly while possessing more simplistic fashions & more of a blue collar mentality.

Yeah I will say this was in Toronto and the girl was pretty hot. I have dated Czech girls before, my last one respected intellect over anything else. These women are deep which can be refreshing compared to shallow western women.

[jimukr104]

Actually gaston is right and wrong at the same time. Fsu girls are more slaves to marketing than any people on the planet. Also an american has to be outgoing because he will lack the social circle to get him in. Silent and brooding is not going to work if you are not I'm the circle. Most girls date guys they know. As a stranger you got hoops being foreigner is an in however this is not 2004. Today the % of gir
ls who want a foreigner is small. They prefer local guys. Actually even
ten years ago they did but there was a larger % that considered


foreignness. Do not get me wrong. Alot would like to immigrate to Europe and America but it's not by hooking uP with foreigners. They want to immigrate with family. Alot of mail order brides who left without families ended up leaving western husband and returned to fsu complaining about culture,etc. Ofcourse alot divorced and stay overseas after getting greencards and even hooked up with Russian male immigrants. They somehow believe only another fsu guy can understand their souls. This is regardless of whether fsu guy drinks,beats them,cheats, or behaves like a retard. Whenever I get in an argument with a fsu girlfriend they would point out how I "do not understand them "(mind you I am Russian-American). The ex

[Giovonny]

(12-20-2012 10:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

They are so serious, and for me, everything in life is a Game, and a joke. Life itself to me is one big party and laugh fest.

It's cold, they have been living under cruel dictators, they have limited freedom, life is hard.

They need some of this..

[BIGINJAPAN]

Taking russian women down is my specialty. I somehow naturally pass their shit tests with flying colors. And they throw them out left and right. I have this one who is a solid 8-8.5 almost 6' tall and the sweetest ass in western canada and I have been tapping it for a year and half now. I see her once maybe twice a month and everytime she comes over I get nothing but grief for the first hour. All I do with that one is get more and more perverted and pretty much just focus my whole attention on her ass. Eventually she gives up as she can see I am not fazed by her bullshit. I don't think I have even once taken her out for dinner or a drink this whole time I have known her. The thing that landed her which she brings up all the time is because she considers me worldly. Being able to talk about the russian culture and an understanding of the orthodox religion has helped me tremendously.

Last weekend I was in a club and I came back in from smoking a grit, saw this hot woman sitting at the bar by herself. So I pull up a chair nice and close (practically almost sitting on her chair). Order myself a double Jameson on the rocks and then try to convince her to pay for it. I knew instantly from her accent she was Russian. Anyways she obviously didn't pay for my drink but she tried to order herself a white wine spritzer and have me pay for it. I flat out told her fuck no. Worked like a charm. As soon as the words came out of my mouth she then introduced herself. After that we had a cig together, got her number, gave her a kiss goodbye as we were leaving to hit up a party. I would have invited her but I had a guaranteed lay waiting for me there and it was some chick I hadn't fucked yet.

Fast forward to thursday and I got a new phone and I was adding new contacts I came across her number. I forgot all about her. She was a solid 7-7.5. Short but perfect body as I later found out. Anyways I sent her a text and she responded right away so I made a plan to meet up with her at a bar. But about a hour before the date she text me that she was bringing a friend as well. I told her I don't work like that and to have a good night with her friend. She ends up texting me back when she met up with her friend and decided she would rather see me. I told her I was busy now and it would have to be the next night. Last night roles around and I have a friends party to go to so I decided to bring her since I wasn't sure of the talent pool coming. I tell her to get a few of her russian girlfriends together and I would take them to this party. She gets one friend to tag along and I meet them for a drink at a bar first. Her friend is nothing special. Tall and good body but her face could use some work. My little russian is hanging off me within minutes, so I know at this point don't get wasted and this is in the bag. While we were chilling out and waiting to hit this party I got to witness a text book Canadian manboob try to hit on her friend. All I could do is cringe as he opened his mouth. First mistake was in his opening words, he walked right over and told her how beautiful she was. I caught her eye roll and her noticeable change in her posture. He then instantly offered to by her a drink. To which she replied what about my friends ? So he offered to by us all drinks. I politely declined because I felt bad for him. But the girls each ordered one. As he ran off to get the drinks the friend started putting her jacket and wanted to bolt. I told her to sit down and the least she could do was entertain the guy for a few minutes when he comes back. When he gets back she is even a bigger bitch to him. I can tell this guy has no idea what he was doing was making everything worse. Anyways in the end she gave him a fake name and told him to add her on facebook.

We get to the party and my buddy throwing it is one of the all time greatest wingmen. Although I think I rank up there to. I have taken down my fair share of fatties for my buddies. I text him ahead of time and told him I am pretty sure this girl would end up coming home with me so I needed him to look after the friend. He knows how to game and gets right to it. Starts making fun of her friend and teasing her the whole night. For some stupid reason he has all these stupid russian pickup lines saved on his phone. He has them spelled out phonetically and they usually work quite well. Has them in different languages as well. Anyways he does his job and the girl wants to spend the night so the other russian and I head off to my house. I should have taken pictures because when I pulled that dress off and saw the nylons, garter and thong I could have came right there. I am washing my sheets as I type this as it turned out to be a raw dawg bloody massacre.

As we were laying in bed this morning the topic came up about how she likes talking to me. And how she is impressed about my knowledge of Russia. Truth be told I don't really know anything before World War I. But hey, fake it until you make it.

I have several other experiences like this with russian women. Never got the same night lay but usually close it within a week of meeting them. I just stay unfazed, no compliments about their looks, don't pay for their shit and of course frame the conversation around Mother Russia. Helps to speak favorably about the country and not make it sound like that other thread going on in the travel section.

[east and west]

Are you in Russia then, or you just met Russians somewhere else.

[jimukr104]

(12-22-2012 03:47 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

Taking russian women down is my specialty. I somehow naturally pass their shit tests with flying colors. And they throw them out left and right. I have this one who is a solid 8-8.5 almost 6' tall and the sweetest ass in western canada and I have been tapping it for a year and half now. I see her once maybe twice a month and everytime she comes over I get nothing but grief for the first hour. All I do with that one is get more and more perverted and pretty much just focus my whole attention on her ass. Eventually she gives up as she can see I am not fazed by her bullshit. I don't think I have even once taken her out for dinner or a drink this whole time I have known her. The thing that landed her which she brings up all the time is because she considers me worldly. Being able to talk about the russian culture and an understanding of the orthodox religion has helped me tremendously.

Last weekend I was in a club and I came back in from smoking a grit, saw this hot woman sitting at the bar by herself. So I pull up a chair nice and close (practically almost sitting on her chair). Order myself a double Jameson on the rocks and then try to convince her to pay for it. I knew instantly from her accent she was Russian. Anyways she obviously didn't pay for my drink but she tried to order herself a white wine spritzer and have me pay for it. I flat out told her fuck no. Worked like a charm. As soon as the words came out of my mouth she then introduced herself. After that we had a cig together, got her number, gave her a kiss goodbye as we were leaving to hit up a party. I would have invited her but I had a guaranteed lay waiting for me there and it was some chick I hadn't fucked yet.

Fast forward to thursday and I got a new phone and I was adding new contacts I came across her number. I forgot all about her. She was a solid 7-7.5. Short but perfect body as I later found out. Anyways I sent her a text and she responded right away so I made a plan to meet up with her at a bar. But about a hour before the date she text me that she was bringing a friend as well. I told her I don't work like that and to have a good night with her friend. She ends up texting me back when she met up with her friend and decided she would rather see me. I told her I was busy now and it would have to be the next night. Last night roles around and I have a friends party to go to so I decided to bring her since I wasn't sure of the talent pool coming. I tell her to get a few of her russian girlfriends together and I would take them to this party. She gets one friend to tag along and I meet them for a drink at a bar first. Her friend is nothing special. Tall and good body but her face could use some work. My little russian is hanging off me within minutes, so I know at this point don't get wasted and this is in the bag. While we were chilling out and waiting to hit this party I got to witness a text book Canadian manboob try to hit on her friend. All I could do is cringe as he opened his mouth. First mistake was in his opening words, he walked right over and told her how beautiful she was. I caught her eye roll and her noticeable change in her posture. He then instantly offered to by her a drink. To which she replied what about my friends ? So he offered to by us all drinks. I politely declined because I felt bad for him. But the girls each ordered one. As he ran off to get the drinks the friend started putting her jacket and wanted to bolt. I told her to sit down and the least she could do was entertain the guy for a few minutes when he comes back. When he gets back she is even a bigger bitch to him. I can tell this guy has no idea what he was doing was making everything worse. Anyways in the end she gave him a fake name and told him to add her on facebook.

We get to the party and my buddy throwing it is one of the all time greatest wingmen. Although I think I rank up there to. I have taken down my fair share of fatties for my buddies. I text him ahead of time and told him I am pretty sure this girl would end up coming home with me so I needed him to look after the friend. He knows how to game and gets right to it. Starts making fun of her friend and teasing her the whole night. For some stupid reason he has all these stupid russian pickup lines saved on his phone. He has them spelled out phonetically and they usually work quite well. Has them in different languages as well. Anyways he does his job and the girl wants to spend the night so the other russian and I head off to my house. I should have taken pictures because when I pulled that dress off and saw the nylons, garter and thong I could have came right there. I am washing my sheets as I type this as it turned out to be a raw dawg bloody massacre.

As we were laying in bed this morning the topic came up about how she likes talking to me. And how she is impressed about my knowledge of Russia. Truth be told I don't really know anything before World War I. But hey, fake it until you make it.

I have several other experiences like this with Russian women. Never got the same night lay but usually close it within a week of meeting them. I just stay unfazed, no compliments about their looks, don't pay for their shit and of course frame the conversation around Mother Russia. Helps to speak favorably about the country and not make it sound like that other thread going on in the travel section.

Hey, I like your experiences . However , it seems like you are running western game on them. Those girls must already be the Canadian version of Americanized. The experiences of their behavior is completely different than what you will see in FSU or even large immigrant communities like in NYC. They sound like they were schooled in the West.
As for the guy who bought them drinks. Those girls were not behaving the way typical Russian girls behave. For example if a girl wants to scam a guy they will try to get drinks bought for female friends without dates. However, FSU girls DO expect to be complimented and they do want a guy to be GENEROUS. He behaved similar to how guys are expected to behave in FSU. The only problem is he should have talked and became part of the group first. But FSU girls do not ever get tired of hearing their attractive,etc.
I also think it is rare that a girl from FSU will ever BUY a guy hitting on them anything.That would actually turn me off. I once had a girl in Kiev offer to split the bill with me and demand to do so. She was possible interested in me because she bought me home to meet "mom" a week later but I was not comfortable with pursuing her. I want a girl to behave like a girl not a western feminist version. Even Roosh liked playing the "MAN". When a FSU women behaves that way she loses her femininity and therefore you lose you manliness in their eyes. Its a lose situation, but I guess who cares if you get a 1 night stand out of it?
But those examples do not show typical FSU behavior ,nor does it show a great knowledge of how they "tick" because only girls who behave that way are westerners and the Brooklyn FSU girls who came to America when young.
Negging as is written in PUA books does not work, nor most PUA conversations like Wolverine mentioned. Only way to effectively neg them is subtle and indirect, for example if she feels shes losing your attention, jealousy works.You can purposely play with that,but be careful.

[billy]

biginjapan your experiences are totally opposite of what I would expect from EE and Russian girls, being cocky is not the way.

[jimukr104]

(12-22-2012 04:48 PM)billy Wrote:  

biginjapan your experiences are totally opposite of what I would expect from EE and Russian girls, being cocky is not the way.

lol, maybe in Western Canada they feminize faster. Maybe hes a gorgeous looking guy? I had a friend who so hot girls would do whatever he wants regardless of ethnicity. He even has a fan club. Maybe he got the DEB Auchary GENES ,dunno. maybe its the western arctic circle and there are only 10 guys. I had a friend who was in antartica ,the chicks behaved different there as well.
I can not understand why a FSU girl would make a move that would in fact strip her of her own valued femininity, just to get a guy for a short term lay when other guys are behaving properly. I would be like us cutting off our penises and balls.SO he must be a 10.99999.
But Polish girls being more western probably would act this way sometimes. EE and FSU are 2 distinct areas with some overlap. We should use term "Former Warsaw pact"(FWP) to represent the EE countries that are not FSU. FSU also covers some non European countries.

[Vicious]

I made my first of many trips to the Baltic from Swe in the 90s. Back then the place was a gold mine. How did I make the trip? As a boy scout.

Sure go ahead and laugh, but those camps were pure fuck fests for me and my pals. We were in our early twenties at the time and most of the time we just had to show up. From all I've heard the Baltic remained good for over a decade longer but I didn't bother return much after the turn of the millenium. I found the women enticing but intruging, sexy but never sensual.

These days I actually like witty, challenging women that appreciate a man that tells them what the lay of the land is. Due to this I frequently travel to the US. The delightful sluttyness of the women there certainly helps as well.

[east and west]

That's why I ask where you are. RSI women don't behave like this. Maybe the ones that live in london, but the above and the tonality you used suggest American women or westernised women.

[phoenix101]

I have little to no experience with EE or Russian women/history/economics but I suspect the other side of the coin with the whole "materialistic" label is that inflation in EE and Russia was insane up to early 90s. So you probably have generations of EE/Russians who culturally grew up with the mindset of spending money/buying assets as fast or faster than you got your hands onto it, saving was financially disastrous. If you didn't spend that 300k rubles to replace your somewhat aging car today, by the end of the year that would only buy you a tire or car air freshener. Even with inflation "under control" today, money over there still loses around 6-10% of its value per year. Like that guy trying to see what to invest $100k in, depending on the inflation rate it will have half the buying power after 6-10 years. On the flipside, I've seen investment products over there that pay something in the order of 20%/annum but hello, who wants to do business with Russians, and good luck once their cash flow tightens and they start paying you in additional shares.

[jimukr104]

(12-22-2012 08:13 PM)phoenix101 Wrote:  

I have little to no experience with EE or Russian women/history/economics but I suspect the other side of the coin with the whole "materialistic" label is that inflation in EE and Russia was insane up to early 90s. So you probably have generations of EE/Russians who culturally grew up with the mindset of spending money/buying assets as fast or faster than you got your hands onto it, saving was financially disastrous. If you didn't spend that 300k rubles to replace your somewhat aging car today, by the end of the year that would only buy you a tire or car air freshener. Even with inflation "under control" today, money over there still loses around 6-10% of its value per year. Like that guy trying to see what to invest $100k in, depending on the inflation rate it will have half the buying power after 6-10 years. On the flipside, I've seen investment products over there that pay something in the order of 20%/annum but hello, who wants to do business with Russians, and good luck once their cash flow tightens and they start paying you in additional shares.

That's part of why they do not save. My mother in law lost her money when the currency changed.They therefore spend what they got. However the materialistic lifestyle started at the end of soviet union. one of the reasons for the fall of communism there was the great differences in access to luxury items that the elite had vs the rest of the population.
In a system that was suppose to be equal it was not equal. Now you have guys who became rich overnight and the rest of the population feels they have to play catch up. This is in the big cities not villages so much. Think of the American phenomenon of "keeping up with the Jones". Difference is that's usually in Suburbs where residents have equal purchasing opportunities.In Ukraine for example the poor try to have the same access that the rich have. The middle class tries to have the same as the rich. So basically you have a society where the lowest level close to poverty wishes and intends to spend like the rich.In America people tend to find niches and keep up with the niche they are in. Not in FSU .I compare them to teenagers because that what teens do. They always want to keep up with the COOL kids and will if they can.My sister in law is 44 and purchases stuff like a teenager.
Because of this mentality businesses can capitalize on EXCLUSIVITY. if you have been there , you will notice that prices for night clubs ,drinks and good restaurants are same or close to American prices. This is because they do not cater to the masses they cater to the people who are exclusive and those who are poor will save money to go to those places. I can not imagine a low income American paying to go to expensive places.They will live on shit diets and save money only to buy things that they can show off like smart phones and laptops.Showing off is more important than basic stuff, heck often they do not pay utility bills(i went 2 years without paying lol).
That's why the poster who said they are not open to marketing is not quite right . if i was a "mad men", like Don Daber i can become rich there.They will always run out to buy the name brands of stuff that is advertised as being cool in style. A lot of the out of fashion clothing is sold to Ukrainian retailers at discount and resold in Ukraine as fashion. Wrangler jeans were going for over 30 bucks last I saw. LEE jeans were opening exclusive stores a decade ago IN fsu when they were out of popularity in USA. Its all marketing.
As for maturity. They are forced into more roles at a young age , but they are not quite emotionally mature. They also go though a regression once they get to college age. I have noticed FSU high school age students are more mature than American counterparts. But if they attend university they regress(maybe like frat boys do). For the first time they get more independence,especially if they go away to school. They start seeking material goods and ways to get it.The social conformity increases and they do more crazy things, some times bad things(drugs, crime, scamming foreigners). They also realize politics of education. Pay for grades and you do not even have to study hard.
BLAME! like Jewish grandmas teach feeling guilty, in the FSU you need to understand blame.It has never been talked about on this forum (i hope wolverine will not come after me for giving up this secret). It goes back to Soviet times. Most people were happy. Life was a party. You did not have to work hard because you got paid anyway. Lowest productivity rates in world probably. When someone arrested a neighbor, its not like i n NYC where people yell "hes such a nice guy". Basically blame went to the person arrested. he either did something wrong or he was stupid enough to get caught or both. This Blame GAME has survived and has made a people who do not take responsibility for actions. That's one of the reasons they have no problem to scam an American out of all his money. They justify it blaming the guy for allowing them or having too much money. When my flat was broken into the police blamed me for not being at home. When a co worker had his cameras stolen, he was blamed for having too many cameras. We all know they blame girls who get raped over there. A co worker had an appendicitis and an infection while in hospital, they blamed his infection on him laying in bed all day and being fat. Of course they would not let him go home or sterilize anything properly.The Chinese guys who are beaten are blamed for being in country or being Asian. When I got injured on my job, a Russian blamed me for not being careful(law enforcement i was attacked)The list never stops. My wife can never take responsibility for her actions, at least she has learned to realize this. Heck, one of the reasons they prefer locals is they feel sorry for them (Florence Nightingale syndrome, which actually took place in Crimea,ukraine), they blame western society for their economic problems. God forbid they ever admit we give them money that helps them out.I think if people understand the BLAME game you understand them more than any other way.