[whiteknightrises]

Lol at the asian dudes getting defensive here

I am asian and I think it is true. I have not been to a place where Asian dudes get jumped for being Asian vs. leaving Jakarta now and white dudes will literally get attacked for being white. Someone wanna prove me wrong they can but generally Asians have to work for it (assuming average looks, status, money). Actually now that I think about it I had a "god factor" in Thailand for being Korean but I don't think it was as crazy as being white in Jakarta. I'm also decent looking which helps a lot

For instance, Chinito you said you dress well. Also, I would assume you have a little game. The guy is talking about a place where you don't have to try much if you're Asian. I have not seen or heard about such a place yet

I literally saw short bald white guys looking straight average but pulling 6,7,8s this weekend

[whiteknightrises]

To clarify the short bald white guys pulling was in Jakarta, Indonesia

[El Chinito loco]

(08-02-2016 02:59 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

razy as being white in Jakarta. I'm also decent looking which helps a lot

For instance, Chinito you said you dress well. Also, I would assume you have a little game. The guy is talking about a place where you don't have to try much if you're Asian. I have not seen or heard about such a place yet

I literally saw short bald white guys looking straight average but pulling 6,7,8s this weekend

There are very few places where a guy with no game and shit dress can walk in and do well.

In Indonesia was it Immigrant? You sure it wasn't a p4p situation.

I know Jakarta and i've said before it's full of world class carousel riders but even then they do know their relative value these days.

They ride when it's beneficial.

Tiny balding white guys don't cut it unless they are throwing around cash up front. Then it's an obvious p4p situation.

[whiteknightrises]

I can't confirm p4p or not since I wasn't listening to the interactions or anything but got the impression Immigrant was not p4p at all. Maybe Irish or other Jakarta vets can comment on that

I'll write a report soon on Jakarta thread but my impression of white god factor (be white, get laid) was very very real unless you were a TOTAL scrub. Never seen that many dudes getting action at a club in one night. Like average looking guys, good looking guys, everybody. You'd have to be a 100% novice to not get any as a white guy over there

I did get some general interest from the population (not as much as Thailand but in Thailand I was more jacked at the time and wearing insane shoe lifts ~6') but was generally taller (usually wear shoe inserts when I go out ~5'11) and lighter skinned than average Indo guy/like to think I'm also good looking and have decent style. But seriously white guys are #1 there - rvf guy I went out with (Fred - not sure of username/on phone) got attacked (kissing him etc while he was just sitting there passively). Back to topic - that doesn't happen to Asians as far as I know. Would be nice if it did but it is reality as I know it

[the high]

I'm not even Asian. I just don't like when people make blanket statements "if you're Asian you're very few girls first choice". It's not about the race it's about the principle.

It creates a certain narrative, and it's like, what purpose does it serve? Guys and especially new guys have enough limiting beliefs as it is. They don't need someone telling them because they were born a certain ethnic group they are at a significant disadvantage. Especially when it's someone just regurgitating second hand knowledge and not coming from a place of first hand experience. To me it comes off as very transparent and self-congratulatory.

A lot of getting good at this stuff at least initially is just belief. Belief you can meet women outside of social circles and drunken Hail Mary's at the bar. That you can walk up to a girl you don't know during the day and fuck her within a 24 hour time period. That you don't have to drive a S-class and look like Ryan Gosling to fuck attractive women. You ever get a girls number in front of a regular guy who's not into this stuff? They'll think you're a magician or something, because they don't and/or can't buy into the material; they're rife with limiting beliefs.

I'm all about telling guys what they need to hear to progress even if it may not necessarily be completely accurate, it's good if the end result is a positive one. It's like Morpheus told Neo about the oracle in The Matrix: "she told you exactly what you needed to hear, nothing more."

Now yes some cities/countries/locations will be more optimal based on your ethnicity but stating that is a far cry from saying you will be very few girls first choice outright.

[Stickman]

(08-02-2016 10:25 AM)the high Wrote:  

I'm not even Asian. I just don't like when people make blanket statements "if you're Asian you're very few girls first choice". It's not about the race it's about the principle.

It creates a certain narrative, and it's like, what purpose does it serve? Guys and especially new guys have enough limiting beliefs as it is. They don't need someone telling them because they were born a certain ethnic group they are at a significant disadvantage. Especially when it's someone just regurgitating second hand knowledge and not coming from a place of first hand experience. To me it comes off as very transparent and self-congratulatory.

A lot of getting good at this stuff at least initially is just belief. Belief you can meet women outside of social circles and drunken Hail Mary's at the bar. That you can walk up to a girl you don't know during the day and fuck her within a 24 hour time period. That you don't have to drive a S-class and look like Ryan Gosling to fuck attractive women. You ever get a girls number in front of a regular guy who's not into this stuff? They'll think you're a magician or something, because they don't and/or can't buy into the material; they're rife with limiting beliefs.

I'm all about telling guys what they need to hear to progress even if it may not necessarily be completely accurate, it's good if the end result is a positive one. It's like Morpheus told Neo about the oracle in The Matrix: "she told you exactly what you needed to hear, nothing more."

Now yes some cities/countries/locations will be more optimal based on your ethnicity but stating that is a far cry from saying you will be very few girls first choice outright.

I'll agreed with you that some Asian guys are too negative and then there are guys that sugarcoat everything. Weak Asian guys need tough love.

The only way to improve is to accept the truth and play the cards you're dealt. Yes Asians are at a disadvantage but too bad-that's life, you don't always get what you want.

The correct advice would be to accept reality and fight on. Sure, you have to approach maybe 10x, swipe 30x more but what choice do you have? sit at home and feeling sorry for yourself? there are many people who are worse off. Just think of the local guys whose country you're visiting, they have to clean your shoes for a living.

[Brosemite]

(07-31-2016 10:32 AM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  

Asian guys will do better in certain places, but it would be very difficult for them to "kill it" anywhere in the way an advanced white player could.

It's an uncomfortable fact, but Asian guys are very few girls' first choice.

On Polish girls, they are rather mediocre in appearance, both in London and in their home country. There are very few stunners there, but it's true that they are likely the easiest and most racially open women in Europe.

You forget to realize that game neutralizes everything. An Asian guy might have a harder time in online dating, but his presence can change everything when meeting women in person.

Men are rational thinkers. Women are emotional ones. If an Asian guy met chicks in person & is able push the right emotional buttons with a mixture of his presence, confidence, grooming, appearance, and vibe...it's game on despite the fact that those same girls might overlook him if an online profile is all she has to judge by.

It IS possible for Asian guys to kill it #s wise in any environment.

Guys that don't look too threatening on paper of any race can kill it in person. Guys that look great on paper can also be very ineffective at sealing the deal in person.

What are you game credentials? Most importantly, what are your life experiences? Sitting behind the tube watching tv all day & overanalyzing based on lack of experiences? Go out & live life son.

[HOD]

(08-02-2016 12:43 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:32 AM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  

Asian guys will do better in certain places, but it would be very difficult for them to "kill it" anywhere in the way an advanced white player could.

It's an uncomfortable fact, but Asian guys are very few girls' first choice.

On Polish girls, they are rather mediocre in appearance, both in London and in their home country. There are very few stunners there, but it's true that they are likely the easiest and most racially open women in Europe.

You forget to realize that game neutralizes everything. An Asian guy might have a harder time in online dating, but his presence can change everything when meeting women in person.

Men are rational thinkers. Women are emotional ones. If an Asian guy met chicks in person & is able push the right emotional buttons with a mixture of his presence, confidence, grooming, appearance, and vibe...it's game on despite the fact that those same girls might overlook him if an online profile is all she has to judge by.

It IS possible for Asian guys to kill it #s wise in any environment.

Guys that don't look too threatening on paper of any race can kill it in person. Guys that look great on paper can also be very ineffective at sealing the deal in person.

What are you game credentials? Most importantly, what are your life experiences? Sitting behind the tube watching tv all day & overanalyzing based on lack of experiences? Go out & live life son.

He also claim on the Phili thread that he fuck 20 girls in 3 weeks, I don't know about you thats call killing it, he is definitely contradicting himself.

20 girls in 3 weeks, I have never met any guy, performing this well, does he have Asian God factor or Super Nintendo God factor?

RE: The Philippines thread
I'm in Manila, and my life here just got a hell of a lot harder in the past week. I fucked 20 girls in 3 weeks, and in the past week I only got two lays and am struggling to even set up a date.
thread-34766-page-151.html

[El Chinito loco]

My bad. I got sucked into the troll vortex that seems to dominate asian threads. I will bow out for now.

[whiteknightrises]

@the high

I'm a believer in tough love - honesty > fiction but that's just the cynic in me. Like you can get some if you're Asian - I do - but to say it isn't harder (in most cases) is giving people false hope/the same PUA koolaid as companies like RSD, etc

@ Bro: game doesn't neutralize everything - to say that is also giving false hope.. In any case you need game to seal the deal ("closing") - whether you are for example really good looking or not - but at the end of the day it can only take you so far. Take two guys with similar game but one is better looking - who do you think gets the girl?

That all being said, do your best fellow Asians.

- also there is already 2 dif threads for Asians (one for Asians abroad and another for Asians in Asia - too many threads! Let's keep the discussion there)

[Brosemite]

(08-02-2016 06:31 PM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

@ Bro: game doesn't neutralize everything - to say that is also giving false hope.. In any case you need game to seal the deal ("closing") - whether you are for example really good looking or not - but at the end of the day it can only take you so far. Take two guys with similar game but one is better looking - who do you think gets the girl?

That all being said, do your best fellow Asians.

Good point. But in my post, I mentioned things like fitness, grooming, etc. If healthy with no disfigurements, there is no such thing as ugly people. Just people who don't groom well or take care of their appearances. Finding the right look is important.

For example, the Pompadour look might be good on certain Filipinos or Viets. It sure as hell looks like shit on me. Find the look that maximizes your facial attributes.

I'm a late 20s guy who was getting out pulled by a 42 year old Korean dude during a 2 week beach season in Brazil. Not to sound overly prideful but I was the better looking guy who actually spoke the language whereas he would lie about his age saying that he was 31 to girls though outperformed me lol. So game certainly does work.

(08-02-2016 06:31 PM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

- also there is already 2 dif threads for Asians (one for Asians abroad and another for Asians in Asia - too many threads! Let's keep the discussion there)

Wholeheartedly agree. OP that started this thread was a banned troll anyways.

[Kapostatus13]

The truth is, certain races do have an advantage over other races. Average White guys, Hispanic guys, African American and Middle Eastern are going to be more successful in dating Over average African, Asian, and Indian males. Now... does that mean cry and be a victim and spend the rest of your life feeling sorry for yourself? Absolutely not. The good news is you can bring equilibrium and balance into the dating market if your at a disadvantage. Having a great physique through bodybuilding, excellent fashion sense(high end fashion), financial success, being location independent and living in a dating market that suits you. If you accept that fact that your at a disadvantage and you have to work harder than average you'll be successful. Create a strategy from the situation that your placed in and you will achieve results.

A lot of these threads in the travel section do cater more to Caucasian males. What most people that are in the "disadvantaged" category of race really need is just decent chicks to have fun with and gain EXPERIENCE. Most guys in the "disadvantaged" category just need experience and from there its up to them if they want to play in the big leagues of women. If these guys are given certain countries based on there race that can help them get laid, it will only help in the long run. We don't have to be politically correct in this forum, race does matter when it comes to dating. But people of all ethnicities and races can achieve success in dating if they create a strategy for success!

[HOD]

(08-02-2016 10:24 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 06:31 PM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

That all being said, do your best fellow Asians.

I'm a late 20s guy who was getting out pulled by a 42 year old Korean dude during a 2 week beach season in Brazil. Not to sound overly prideful but I was the better looking guy who actually spoke the language whereas he would lie about his age saying that he was 31 to girls though outperformed me lol. So game certainly does work.

I agree, Game is real, to deny it, is tragic.

We all have the short or ugly or fat friend who got mad bitches.

Lets be honest. There aren't alot of Asian players to start with, most Asian dudes spend there youth chasing money and academic achievement.

Alot of them don't really care about pussy until after college, or never do. Most are content being the next Mark Zuckerberg.

Alot of these guys if there are interested in being a players, there starting out of the gate at 24 years old. Thats like training a basketball player at 24.

Alot of these Asian guys are rookies and don't even understand why Asian girls date white guys at a high rate in America. They can't even explain that phenomenon.

In addition, most Asian American, dudes are mostly only interested in white chicks only. Thats very concerning. Its like a personal bucket list of theres.

I'm probably in the minority of Asian dudes that think black girls are hot, especially blacks girls from Ethiopia or Zimbabwe. The girls from Zimbabwe have the best personally.

Most of these dudes are clueless about the factor of female psychology, feminism and multiculturalism.

They think approaching is the key to game, they also think PUA's are the best players, No son they are the best marketing guru/con-artist.

I personally have never met many Asian guy that actually had good game. It is a rare site to behold.

I have only met hoards of rookie Asian players asking me for advice. From HK to Korea.

Alot of these guys think mass approaching is real game, LOL.

Approaching doesn't do much for you, if you don't have good social skills.

[whiteknightrises]

@ bro : to elaborate, by game I mean what PUAs traditionally label as game: opening, creating attraction, hooking sets, etc. Fitness, grooming, hair I categorize under looks

Re: your example, the point I was trying to make isn't black and white (nothing is IMO) but I meant similar game levels. Not sure how much of a player your Korean buddy is compared to you ("game" difference) but I think we can agree if 2 guys with 8/10 game but one is 6/10 looks and the other 9/10, the 9/10 looks guy is getting the girl more often than not..

Most girls, like most guys, want the better looking person. Girls are masturbating to Ryan Gosling not RSD Tyler

@hod: i used to sip the PUA koolaid too but I think mass approaching is a rite of passage, especially for people with low social awareness, which is most Asian-Americans that I meet. Personally put me in a lot of different social situations where I fucked up a lot but learned from my mistakes. (You can't learn social skills/awareness from reading, gotta do) Where people go wrong is thinking game is everything and that having cool interactions with girls in front of your PUA buddies is worth something

Your only goal after getting over "approach anxiety" (or maybe just from the start) should be inserting penis into vagina. My $0.02

Anyway /thread

[cotizado]

I'm Asian. I accept that this is a disadvantage in certain areas of life, but it is far from an insurmountable one. In coming to terms with my disadvantage, I have become more muscular, have improved my fluency in multiple foreign languages, and have become a better conversationalist. I prefer not to think in terms of "gaming" women. Instead, I would say that I'm entertaining women. Maybe if dating had been easy for me, I would have never made these changes. As Bruce Lee said, "Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one." I'm not just a more attractive person now, I'm also a lot healthier. Don't approach 10x, swipe 30x more than white guys. Improve yourself. Once you become muscular, a lot of other things become relatively unimportant. You can be bald, you can be Asian, whatever. "Hot guys are hot" http://i.imgur.com/IMmmP8A.gif

[Brosemite]

(08-03-2016 03:51 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

@hod: i used to sip the PUA koolaid too but I think mass approaching is a rite of passage, especially for people with low social awareness, which is most Asian-Americans that I meet. Personally put me in a lot of different social situations where I fucked up a lot but learned from my mistakes. (You can't learn social skills/awareness from reading, gotta do) Where people go wrong is thinking game is everything and that having cool interactions with girls in front of your PUA buddies is worth something

Your only goal after getting over "approach anxiety" (or maybe just from the start) should be inserting penis into vagina. My $0.02

Anyway /thread

Yeah you gotta pay your dues and fulfill that rite of passage obligation. Former PUAs like Roosh did it. JT Tran did it.

It doesn't have to be exactly night game as mentioned here via WestIndianArchive:
thread-46150...#pid985005

Putting in the approaches whether during daygame or as mentioned above going out multiple times a week to converse with gals is the best way to get better.

(08-03-2016 03:51 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

@ bro : to elaborate, by game I mean what PUAs traditionally label as game: opening, creating attraction, hooking sets, etc. Fitness, grooming, hair I categorize under looks

Re: your example, the point I was trying to make isn't black and white (nothing is IMO) but I meant similar game levels. Not sure how much of a player your Korean buddy is compared to you ("game" difference) but I think we can agree if 2 guys with 8/10 game but one is 6/10 looks and the other 9/10, the 9/10 looks guy is getting the girl more often than not..

Most girls, like most guys, want the better looking person. Girls are masturbating to Ryan Gosling not RSD Tyler

I get what you mean.

On one hand, attractive can be a bit subjective depending on the girl. There are times when I can out pull taller good looking White or Middle Eastern dudes in Dallas because there's a lot more of them than me. So by virtue of being more of a scarcity (well-groomed East Asian guy who catches women off guard with "unexpected" initiative), I can get the edge.

On another hand, the situation tends to be different when I lived in Curitiba, Brazil.

Pretty boys can really pull great quality and quantity in places such as Belo Horizonte or Porto Alegre.

Different in Curitiba where good looking ripped guys can get quantity in Curitiba, but the quality is typically much lower for them. This even includes pretty boys that come from reputable rich families too despite having great fashion/game.

It has to do with the best looking women in Curitiba going for guys that are a bit goofier in appearance because they're obsessed with power & control....maybe even higher chances of perceived stability too An easily manipulated goofy guy is good. Even bigger bonus if it's a goofy guy who comes from a reputable family.

As for Asian guys, the best looking ones in Curitiba date slightly down. I've seen goofy chubby Asian ones pull the hotter gals though making their results consistent with the city's trends.

[Stickman]

Quote:

On one hand, attractive can be a bit subjective depending on the girl. There are times when I can out pull taller good looking White or Middle Eastern dudes in Dallas because there's a lot more of them than me. So by virtue of being more of a scarcity (well-groomed East Asian guy who catches women off guard with "unexpected" initiative), I can get the edge.

You're just reaching here. It has nothing to do with you being different in a negative way. Your game is just plain better or just one of the few guys that actually approach.

Quote:

I'm also a lot healthier. Don't approach 10x, swipe 30x more than white guys. Improve yourself. Once you become muscular, a lot of other things become relatively unimportant. You can be bald, you can be Asian, whatever. "Hot guys are hot"

Yes and no. Agreed that if an Asian guy become the best version of himself that he can land girls of any race with relative ease, but all things being equal he still has to approuch 10x and swipe 30x because of social conditioning

[Brosemite]

^ Of course. Strategic analysis without well-executed action will not lead to successful results.

[HOD]

(08-04-2016 02:10 PM)cotizado Wrote:  

I'm Asian. I accept that this is a disadvantage in certain areas of life, but it is far from an insurmountable one. In coming to terms with my disadvantage, I have become more muscular, have improved my fluency in multiple foreign languages, and have become a better conversationalist. I prefer not to think in terms of "gaming" women. Instead, I would say that I'm entertaining women. Maybe if dating had been easy for me, I would have never made these changes. As Bruce Lee said, "Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one." I'm not just a more attractive person now, I'm also a lot healthier. Don't approach 10x, swipe 30x more than white guys. Improve yourself. Once you become muscular, a lot of other things become relatively unimportant. You can be bald, you can be Asian, whatever. "Hot guys are hot" http://i.imgur.com/IMmmP8A.gif

Exactly, everyone has their niche and disadvantages.

When I was a bartender in the US, once in a while I took down really hot models. It piss alot of dudes off, its part of the game. Taking down hot girls also expose you to haters. My point is, you will be surprise by your personal success, simply by showing up and playing the game. Game is real, and part of that is being attractive.

I remember rolling around in America with hot bitches will attract alot of hater's. Its like driving a Bentley around.

A rich Chinese dude from HK, once told me about his Ferrari, man the hate he receive, was so enormous, he eventually sold it, because it attracted too much heat and hate. America has become a hater culture.

For example if you drive a Bentley in HK or China, its not that big of idea, it just means your rich. Try driving a Bentley around in America, people are going curse you out.

In addition, I remember a time I took a mma seminar with Randy Couture, when he was the UFC champ, he told us that he couldn't go to certain places, because some jack ass would challenge him to a fight, I never understood why, he also told me when he went to Japan, no one challenge him to a fight, because the Japanese respected success. America is a hater culture.

[Lindsey Graham]

I take it back, Asian guys are at no disadvantage whatsoever, anywhere in the world.

[Il Bersagliere]

(08-05-2016 10:19 AM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  

I take it back, Asian guys are at no disadvantage whatsoever, anywhere in the world.

Asian dude just took your chick? Why the sudden change of heart, champ?

[Lindsey Graham]

^
Starting to get jealous of all this Asian poon-slaying.

[scorza]

Brosemite, agree with the first line. have experienced this myself. no love online but if you meet them in person, its different (i guess its the Scorpio in me, i dont know). hence im not so much into online game.

(08-02-2016 12:43 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:32 AM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  

Asian guys will do better in certain places, but it would be very difficult for them to "kill it" anywhere in the way an advanced white player could.

It's an uncomfortable fact, but Asian guys are very few girls' first choice.

On Polish girls, they are rather mediocre in appearance, both in London and in their home country. There are very few stunners there, but it's true that they are likely the easiest and most racially open women in Europe.

You forget to realize that game neutralizes everything. An Asian guy might have a harder time in online dating, but his presence can change everything when meeting women in person.

Men are rational thinkers. Women are emotional ones. If an Asian guy met chicks in person & is able push the right emotional buttons with a mixture of his presence, confidence, grooming, appearance, and vibe...it's game on despite the fact that those same girls might overlook him if an online profile is all she has to judge by.

It IS possible for Asian guys to kill it #s wise in any environment.

Guys that don't look too threatening on paper of any race can kill it in person. Guys that look great on paper can also be very ineffective at sealing the deal in person.

What are you game credentials? Most importantly, what are your life experiences? Sitting behind the tube watching tv all day & overanalyzing based on lack of experiences? Go out & live life son.

[Brosemite]

(08-05-2016 07:23 AM)HOD Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 02:10 PM)cotizado Wrote:  

I'm Asian. I accept that this is a disadvantage in certain areas of life, but it is far from an insurmountable one. In coming to terms with my disadvantage, I have become more muscular, have improved my fluency in multiple foreign languages, and have become a better conversationalist. I prefer not to think in terms of "gaming" women. Instead, I would say that I'm entertaining women. Maybe if dating had been easy for me, I would have never made these changes. As Bruce Lee said, "Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one." I'm not just a more attractive person now, I'm also a lot healthier. Don't approach 10x, swipe 30x more than white guys. Improve yourself. Once you become muscular, a lot of other things become relatively unimportant. You can be bald, you can be Asian, whatever. "Hot guys are hot" http://i.imgur.com/IMmmP8A.gif

Exactly, everyone has their niche and disadvantages.

When I was a bartender in the US, once in a while I took down really hot models. It piss alot of dudes off, its part of the game. Taking down hot girls also expose you to haters. My point is, you will be surprise by your personal success, simply by showing up and playing the game. Game is real, and part of that is being attractive.

I remember rolling around in America with hot bitches will attract alot of hater's. Its like driving a Bentley around.

A rich Chinese dude from HK, once told me about his Ferrari, man the hate he receive, was so enormous, he eventually sold it, because it attracted too much heat and hate. America has become a hater culture.

For example if you drive a Bentley in HK or China, its not that big of idea, it just means your rich. Try driving a Bentley around in America, people are going curse you out.

In addition, I remember a time I took a mma seminar with Randy Couture, when he was the UFC champ, he told us that he couldn't go to certain places, because some jack ass would challenge him to a fight, I never understood why, he also told me when he went to Japan, no one challenge him to a fight, because the Japanese respected success. America is a hater culture.

Amazing cultural insight

[cotizado]

https://www.instagram.com/p/4MJwf3gMFQ/