[Samseau]

And it isn't like we can just solve this problem overnight. Our culture has been producing sick fucks like this for decades. It will take decades more before anything is solved.

Given that most American's cannot plan more than 1 month into the future, this problem cannot be solved.

[ghostdog]

all of the people saying "I have kids, I'm devastated" piss me off. They're the same as those people saying "I thought about going to the mall that day". They want to be personally included in the tragedy in some capacity. it's not about you and your kids, goddamnit.

[Veloce]

(12-15-2012 01:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And it isn't like we can just solve this problem overnight. Our culture has been producing sick fucks like this for decades. It will take decades more before anything is solved.

Given that most American's cannot plan more than 1 month into the future, this problem cannot be solved.

I don't think this is a matter of Americans planning anything.

That thread on "What decade would you want to live in" got me going and I wound up talking to my dad yesterday more in depth about what it was like in the 60s. He mentioned there was this great social upheaval and rejection of all the ideals of the 50s; that is to settle down and have a 'normal, comfortable' life with the house and 2 car garage and shit. The 60s came along and there was this huge anti-materialism movement that swept through the nation's youth. You had kids throwing caution into the wind and moving out west to hitchike up and down the California coast, park out in San Fran and sleep in parks, smoke weed, and fuck. It really was a social revolution.

Maybe nothing came of it, but the point I'm trying to make is that in ONE DECADE, an entire generation of youth decided to say fuck it, we're not swallowing the Kool Aid and we're gonna do whatever the fuck we want. All that's required to mobilize youth is a massive undercurrent of dissatisfaction.

Obviously we're not there. Our youth is far too desensitized, pacified, and pussified by tech gadgets and social media. But how long will that last? I don't think it will be forever. Call me insane but I swear I can feel this undercurrent of dissatisfaction growing. That's what the red pill is all about. It's too bad none of us could have reached out to this lunatic in Connecticut, but one day we might be able to.

I'm not betting against the U.S. just yet. We've had periods of great social reform in very short amounts of time in the very recent past. Most guys on here are probably 40 and under so we never experienced it so it's easy to become cynical. As enlightened post-red-pill men, it will be our duty to influence the generations of men that come after us and set some standards. Reject authority. Bang pussy. Find your happiness. Do your squats. We have a responsibility to influence other men in manifesting the best versions of themselves, and not allow them to spiral downward into a horrifying, antisocial, alienated place where killing schoolchildren becomes a reasonable thing to do.

[RawGod]

One thing that is never addressed by the MSM is the role of antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs in such episodes.

How many of these spree killers were on Zoloft?

In this study (.pdf link), published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry by a well-credentialed team, about 8% of admissions to mental hospitals were due to mania or psychosis as a result of side effects from antidepressants.

The question should be asked of a matter of course: what medications was the killer on? It never, ever is.

[porscheguy]

(12-15-2012 12:00 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:32 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:26 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:19 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Armed guards at every school, mall, movie theater, etc... in the country?

Are you trolling me?

Easy E, are you not aware that most malls, movie theaters etc do have armed guards or some form of security? Schools however do not. That's why they make easy targets.

And even if that weren't the case I'd prefer that over people like you just deciding to limit freedoms with the flick of their wrist without so much as a second thought.

So answer my question: Would posting guards at schools make them safer?

You are not being realistic.

Most malls, movie theaters, and other public places have some form of security, but most don't have a cadre of armed guards because that is very expensive.

Same for schools since there are so many of them.

Also, what good is a rent-a-cop with pistol when some loon can just show up with an AR-15, several extra mags, a bullet proof vest, a helmet, and extra side arms?

You pro-gun people are just not realistic. It is pointless to talk to you people.

Let me guess, you believe in universal healthcare but don't believe in posting a couple cops at schools and letting private businesses pay for their own security. Yeah, it's "pro gun people" that are impossible to talk to.

It's funny because I believe in universal healthcare, I have no problem placing an armed cop in every school(many of the schools around me have them already), the only mall in this area that I frequent has armed security, and I also believe that all law-abiding citizens should feel obligated to own a firearm.

[Giovonny]

Dupe thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14472-...41454.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-15338-...57226.html

[Giovonny]

(12-14-2012 04:40 PM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:  

I love each and every one of you more than you could ever imagine.

[Drazen]

(12-15-2012 01:50 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

One thing that is never addressed by the MSM is the role of antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs in such episodes.

How many of these spree killers were on Zoloft?

In this study (.pdf link), published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry by a well-credentialed team, about 8% of admissions to mental hospitals were due to mania or psychosis as a result of side effects from antidepressants.

The question should be asked of a matter of course: what medications was the killer on? It never, ever is.

If you take a serious look I think you will find many of these mass shooters are Aspergers. It has been in the conversation for many of these (columbine, virginia tech, aurora, this one, maybe even arizona) but I think there is such a political correct force behind autism that its taboo to say.

[Samseau]

(12-15-2012 01:50 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

One thing that is never addressed by the MSM is the role of antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs in such episodes.

How many of these spree killers were on Zoloft?

In this study (.pdf link), published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry by a well-credentialed team, about 8% of admissions to mental hospitals were due to mania or psychosis as a result of side effects from antidepressants.

The question should be asked of a matter of course: what medications was the killer on? It never, ever is.

I also wonder if these guys were fed any pills as a kid.

[Gaston]

(12-15-2012 12:34 AM)Grit Wrote:  

Where's the shooter's dad?

"Adam Lanza was living with his devoted mother, Nancy, in the family’s four-bedroom, 3,100-square-foot estate.

Nancy Lanza divorced Adam’s father, Peter, in 2008. Peter Lanza, now a vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services, agreed to annual alimony payments that started at $240,000 and would have reached $298,800 in 2015.

... 52-year-old Peter Lanza had only recently moved in with his new wife, Shelley Cudiner, who works in the library at the University of Connecticut."

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/adam...z2F6hBjjRI

[lavidaloca]

298k in alimony payments... so he needs to create 2 seperate upper class lifestyles in the 1%. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Exactly why you don't get married...especially when your in the asset building phase of your life.

[michelin]

(12-14-2012 07:17 PM)sucio44 Wrote:  

As a gun owner, I'm starting to rethink my position on gun laws. With this tragedy, young people getting shot by civilian gun owners, the movie shooting, the mall in Oregon shooting---I think maybe only cops and military should have guns. But thats a fantasy in this country. I guess I'm just venting. This shit is upsetting.

I'd wish some more American gun owners would have such a moment of enlightenment!

[porscheguy]

(12-15-2012 02:35 AM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 01:50 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

One thing that is never addressed by the MSM is the role of antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs in such episodes.

How many of these spree killers were on Zoloft?

In this study (.pdf link), published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry by a well-credentialed team, about 8% of admissions to mental hospitals were due to mania or psychosis as a result of side effects from antidepressants.

The question should be asked of a matter of course: what medications was the killer on? It never, ever is.

If you take a serious look I think you will find many of these mass shooters are Aspergers. It has been in the conversation for many of these (columbine, virginia tech, aurora, this one, maybe even arizona) but I think there is such a political correct force behind autism that its taboo to say.

NY Daily News is saying he was a sperg.

[Spike]

(12-14-2012 05:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I'm not sure if I'm fully on bored with the hypothesis that the cause of all this mass killings is sexual frustration. However, as far as I can tell 95% of these mass killers are men, very "beta" men who have poor social skills, are awkward, and undoubtedly are horrible with women. Sexual frustration can be a potentially destructive force in man. We all need some form of outlet, most drown themselves in porn, but I really think prostitution should be made legal. Not that it would cure this issue by any means, but maybe if a guy like the Colorado shooter could roll down to the local brothel drop a few hundred bones to get his dick wet, he would have chilled the fuck out and not gone on such a rampage? Anyways just a thought, probably wrong, but still think prostitution should be legal.

Not sure if I agree. Prostitution is legal in Holland and we had one mass shooting also. A young guy and member of a shooting club. The issue in that case is that the guy had a history of mental illness and was still allowed the own guns and be a member of a shooting club. Lots of finger pointing between different organisations now and "loss" of crucial data.

In Holland it's allowed to have guns (up to a non automatic AK-47) too if you register them and you're a member of a shooting club. There is a gun store in my hometown too.

And they're cheap too. 300 euro's/new
http://www.hendrixvanderputten.nl/wapens...762x39/58/

Getting a license is quite hard but not impossible. Some one with a license can have a gun back at his house. Carrying a gun is illegal in Holland and the gun has to be dismantled when transported from house to shooting club. (f.e barrel, the rest of the gun and munition need to be in separate places in the car, like the trunk,under the seat etc etc .)

There are about 70000 gun licenses in Holland and only one shooting so far.

[soup]

(12-15-2012 02:20 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Dupe thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14472-...41454.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-15338-...57226.html

Yeah, but Obama wiped his eye on this one..

[soup]

(12-15-2012 01:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And it isn't like we can just solve this problem overnight. Our culture has been producing sick fucks like this for decades. It will take decades more before anything is solved.

Given that most American's cannot plan more than 1 month into the future, this problem cannot be solved.

Our ideas have run ahead of ourselves. This sounds like the singularity theory, but you don't need killer cyborgs to destroy humanity; we will probably off ourselves before skynet ever gets a chance.

[Spike]

(12-15-2012 05:21 AM)soup Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 02:20 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Dupe thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14472-...41454.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-15338-...57226.html

Yeah, but Obama wiped his eye on this one..

Obama. the presidential robot. What a charade that tear whiping was. How dumb are the people thinking he was actually being moved by this story?

[soup]

(12-15-2012 05:42 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:21 AM)soup Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 02:20 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Dupe thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14472-...41454.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-15338-...57226.html

Yeah, but Obama wiped his eye on this one..

Obama. the presidential robot. What a charade that tear whiping was. How dumb are the people thinking he was actually being moved by this story?

I consider myself liberal, but at least Bush's tears seemed real.

I think all politicians are not to be trusted.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble's, but the same is true of players.

Don't trust politicians or players. Learn and steal from them so you make your life better.

I've already used Bill Clinton's "mistakes were made" to great effect.

[Zebra_Cakes]

Tragic what happened. Especially considering it was innocent children. And yet again, in a couple weeks, this incident will be forgotten and life will continue as if nothing happened. When are we as a nation going to have a discussion about our culture and how it leads to these types of events.

I'm not familiar with current gun control laws as they are, however, I really think mandatory psychological screenings should be in place. You want a gun? Fine, but first you pass a professionally administered test whether you're in a stable enough mental capacity to own one. And from then on, every couple years, go back for a reassessment. If you fail, you hand over all of your weapons.

[Jaydublin]

(12-14-2012 09:31 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

wow...

gun control has EVERYTHING to do with it.

look at Australia... they had a massacre in 1996...

immediately they did something about it. the government brought in the strictest laws in the world. people HAD to hand in their guns and the government payed them cash for doing it or go to jail..so existing guns were eliminated.

and what was the result-not a massacre since.

u need to live there to realise how impossible for the average person to get a gun illegally there. u need to be seriously hooked up.

wow until America wakes up and quits their gun loving ways and outdated constitutional baring arms bullshit these incidents will continue to go on and on..

eliminate guns- slowly eliminate these incidents...simple

Do you have a Mexico bordering Australia? We can't keep people from sneaking across the boarder. How the Fuck are we gonna keep guns out?

Also I can promise a major conflict if guns were to become totally illegal. The current secession situation in America would become very real, very fast.

[garygroundwork]

(12-15-2012 06:24 AM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 09:31 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

wow...

gun control has EVERYTHING to do with it.

look at Australia... they had a massacre in 1996...

immediately they did something about it. the government brought in the strictest laws in the world. people HAD to hand in their guns and the government payed them cash for doing it or go to jail..so existing guns were eliminated.

and what was the result-not a massacre since.

u need to live there to realise how impossible for the average person to get a gun illegally there. u need to be seriously hooked up.

wow until America wakes up and quits their gun loving ways and outdated constitutional baring arms bullshit these incidents will continue to go on and on..

eliminate guns- slowly eliminate these incidents...simple

Do you have a Mexico bordering Australia? We can't keep people from sneaking across the boarder. How the Fuck are we gonna keep guns out?

Also I can promise a major conflict if guns were to become totally illegal. The current secession situation in America would become very real, very fast.

ok then don't worry about it... keep your absurd gun laws because u have Mexico bordering your country

the stickter u make it, the harder it becomes for ur average joe bloggs just to pick up a gun when he has a melt down or gets fired from work in the heat of the moment. thus decreasing massacres. he might throw himself of a bridge or bash his wife but he wont be able to walk into a crowded place and shoot people.

[static]

Let's focus on alimony...

Quote:

Peter Lanza, a vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services, declined to answer questions from reporters in front of his home in Stamford in the Westover section of the city.

Lanza has worked as tax specialist and had served as an adjunct professor at Northeastern University in Boston since 1995.

A neighbor said Peter Lanza had recently remarried.

According to court documents, Peter Lanza was required to send significant alimony payments to Nancy Lanza, including monthly payments of $10,000 a month and increasing to a minimum of $12,450 up until 2023.

The court documents list Peter Lanza's gross weekly income as $8,556 and that he was required to pay all of Adam Lanza's college and graduate school expenses.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Report...120058.php

[Jaydublin]

(12-15-2012 06:41 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 06:24 AM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 09:31 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

wow...

gun control has EVERYTHING to do with it.

look at Australia... they had a massacre in 1996...

immediately they did something about it. the government brought in the strictest laws in the world. people HAD to hand in their guns and the government payed them cash for doing it or go to jail..so existing guns were eliminated.

and what was the result-not a massacre since.

u need to live there to realise how impossible for the average person to get a gun illegally there. u need to be seriously hooked up.

wow until America wakes up and quits their gun loving ways and outdated constitutional baring arms bullshit these incidents will continue to go on and on..

eliminate guns- slowly eliminate these incidents...simple

Do you have a Mexico bordering Australia? We can't keep people from sneaking across the boarder. How the Fuck are we gonna keep guns out?

Also I can promise a major conflict if guns were to become totally illegal. The current secession situation in America would become very real, very fast.

ok then don't worry about it... keep your absurd gun laws because u have Mexico bordering your country

the stickter u make it, the harder it becomes for ur average joe bloggs just to pick up a gun when he has a melt down or gets fired from work in the heat of the moment. thus decreasing massacres. he might throw himself of a bridge or bash his wife but he wont be able to walk into a crowded place and shoot people.

First off..I never said there weren't any changes necessary


Anyway, just more people with no experience in southern USA with their opinions on gun laws. You don't have the slightest idea on what would happen but it wouldn't be pretty.

One of the first posts in this thread was about the largest school massacre ever in the USA and guess what? No guns were used.

Guns may make the violence easier but these nutjobs can simply go to a gas station to get what they need.

[Scott]

(12-15-2012 06:46 AM)static Wrote:  

Let's focus on alimony...

Quote:

Peter Lanza, a vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services, declined to answer questions from reporters in front of his home in Stamford in the Westover section of the city.

Lanza has worked as tax specialist and had served as an adjunct professor at Northeastern University in Boston since 1995.

A neighbor said Peter Lanza had recently remarried.

According to court documents, Peter Lanza was required to send significant alimony payments to Nancy Lanza, including monthly payments of $10,000 a month and increasing to a minimum of $12,450 up until 2023.

The court documents list Peter Lanza's gross weekly income as $8,556 and that he was required to pay all of Adam Lanza's college and graduate school expenses.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Report...120058.php

This reminds me of this video...

...about Norwegian shooter Anders Breivik.

Too long, didn't watch?

Basically, Breivik was initially to be raised with both parents, one of which was a semi-psychotic and the other was a diplomat, trusted by their country with state secrets. Guess which one was the mother and which was the father?

Spoiler Wrote:

The father was the diplomat.

So guess who got custody over their son when they broke up early in his life?

Spoiler Wrote:

Yup, the mother.

While there's a lot of theories as to what made Breivik act the way he did, it is accepted that he was abused by his mother when growing up. She actually refused to testify about his treatment at her hands at the court hearings following the mass shooting, citing mental health reasons. In fact, she'd checked herself into the nearest mental institute when news broke of her son's attacks - not before.

The similarities to Lanza's case are uncanny. Sure, Lanza's parents only divorced in 2009 but that means there's still 3 years for the typical single-mother negativity and pessimism about the world to permeate into his own subconscious. Furthermore, the article linked states his parents split up due to "irreconcilable differences," according to court documents. I'd bet that, prior to the official divorce, there would have been some poisoning taking place (possibly by both sides, although in my experience it would have been mainly by the mother) and so Lanza would not have been the happiest bunny by the time the divorce was finalised.

On another note, it's interesting how the Wikipedia article for Breivik states 'Breivik's usage of shooter video games has sparked debate about further censorship in violent video games.'. I can only feel that this sort of ties in to what Roosh said on the first page of this thread; it's like no one really wants to discuss the underlying issues and instead think videogames instead. Not everyone is willing to explore the psyche of the parents, but everyone knows that games go 'shooty shooty bang bang' so they're easier to blame and talk about at the water cooler.

[michelin]

Quote:

Carrying a gun is illegal in Holland and the gun has to be dismantled when transported from house to shooting club.

This is how things should be, as Neil describes it. Not like going to the local candyshop and getting an automatic Riffle for free!

I predict that, sadly, it will take another 15 to 20 more mass shootings (20 to 50 victims) in order to get some people's minds go "bing!"

I'm pretty convinced that, before banning guns, videogames will be banned first. I love the US, but with any new shooting it makes a clown of itself by not taking any significant action.