[Sphere]

Fisto and xsplat will never agree. Both of you are deeply up in each other's grill. I am learning from both of you.

I think Fisto is correct that there is a way to bang more on the first date than most of us believe to be possible. I think Fisto may also be a heartless bastard and I say that with some respect because I wish at times that I could be so. I'm not.

xsplat and I, I believe, understand one another. Romance is a big fucking deal to most women. They want to feel safe emotionally. The Boyfriend Experience, real or imagined, makes them feel safe. However, if you lay it out like it's real and it's not, it's your business, but I have a hard time with it because it feels heartless to me and can be quite damaging.

My experience with women has been similar to what xsplat described. I meet a girl I like, we start a relationship, she falls deeply in love with me and then gets hurt. I've only ever been dumped once in my life and I'm 50 years old. That means I've probably hurt a lot of women. I have a hard time with that. That's why I started this thread. How do you do the "dump" in "pump and dump" with class?

I guess if we can be more efficient, as Fisto advocates, and find the girls who are DTF and just consistently go in for the kill and move on, that's cool. In my demographic they are either less desirable and slutty as hell or more desirable and reticent. Hence I seem to either bang busted women my age (shudder...) or I have to play a longer game. I'm not loving end game with this.

I appreciate all the action this thread has gotten. Carry on.

[Duke Castile]

Sphere,

I promise I'm not heartless, and in fact, I love having a romantic connection. I really don't like hurting a girls feelings who's only crime was becoming attached to me. I'm just telling you, even if this girl is the type of girl we'd all rather bang ( high quality), she will have another dick in her within 6 months max and more than likely one month.

My point with dumping them is that it's better for both parties to end things rather than have some drawn out breakup that really only accomplishes the same thing but has more misery and just delays what's inevitable anyway.

As far as "good" girls sometimes I simply don't have the heart to take a girl out knowing that what she really yearns for isn't just a good time but a meaningful relationship. I've turned down quite a bit of pussy like that and sometimes I kick myself for it. The fact is that ALL women want to be banged good "Christian" girls and bad ones too and they can all be banged on the first date by SOMEONE. Maybe not you or I but someone that's doing things right, and has caught her on the right day.

[Samseau]

I'm with Fisto. The fastest way to lose a young American girl is to be romantic with her.

[Ovid]

I think we men have an obligation not to callously fuck up women if we can help it, if somebody else hasn't ruined her already.

If a player happens to catch her on the right day, she's DTF for whatever reason, hey, more power to him. If he doesn't tap that, some other dude who comes along five minutes later will.

But, if it's obvious that she really isn't trying to hop on the cock carousel, and is genuinely looking, not for casual dating, ONS, or whatnot, but for marriage material, then it seems a disservice to her and to whatever guy who eventually ends up with her because they're seeking the same thing, for some previous guy to have led her on and broken her heart. The flip side of the coin, though, is that in the West, at least, such girls are rarer than a needle in 25 haystacks, so it really isn't a day-to-day practical concern, and most of these girls make it very obvious by their clearly-sheltered upbringing, religious earnestness, etc. (Note there is a big difference between earnestness and apparent zeal, or culture -lots of evangelical girls are more than happy to go to church on Sunday and try not to think about the cock they took on Friday night, and wholly subscribe in actions, if not words, to mainstream culture and feminist propaganda.)

In short, I think if a girl is receptive to game, and you don't make lots of promises of undying love and commitment, then they know you in their hearts to not be the LTR type and won't be too devastated when things end. If they're sad, they have only themselves to blame, really.

[xsplat]

(12-11-2012 10:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The fastest way to lose a young American girl is to be romantic with her.

I guess our experiences inform our views. I sometimes hear people say that my experiences can't be compared to theirs, because I've been in SEA for a dozen years. The girls I see here are too different to be comparable to western girls, and the girls I used to date over a dozen years ago in the west are too different from modern girls.

I have my reasons to believe that while culture does change between times and places, some fundamentals of female nature are constant. I have my reasons to believe that the capacity for romance is a female constant.

But as all my personal experience and everything that I've personally witnessed between other people is too easy to casually toss aside as irrelevant, to make this argument I could then rely on questions about your experience.

What is your take on the alpha widow phenonenon that we hear about? Does that still happen to girls in the west? Has that happened to you or any of the men that you know?

Have you known any girls to fall in love with you, or with any of your acquaintances?

Also, in a way I agree that "the fastest way to lose A GIRL is to be romantic with her." It depends really what "to be romantic with her" conjures up in ones mind. But if you substitute the sappy version with a version that causes the woman to swoon in love, then we can both be holding in mind a similar type of romance. A romance where the man has hand and knows exactly what part he is playing in his effective seduction.

My contention is that without the desire for and skill in bringing about a romantic connection, there is little chance to grow one. Some people have placed themselves in the position where romance is not to be found. This is in part due to the girls, but another part, which may be invisible to the man, is also due to the attitude of the man.

I try to understand why men forgo romance, and have listed some reasons that make sense to me. To repeat:
I figure either:
a) men who are attracted to the community were never good enough with girls to get them to fall in love in the first place, and so have no experience with a successful lasting mutual love, or
b) they were good enough with women to fall in mutual love, but not good enough to sustain it, and got beat down by emasculating shit tests until things fell apart into a mess of mutual hate
c) they got used by player girls too often and don't care to be emotionally vulnerable again
d) they just aren't built for romance, and are inately more of a dark triad type of personality.

Do any of these ways I try to make sense of the world resonate with you as accurate ways to organize the information and data we share?

Or would you say the reason is that western women today have entirely different emotions than girls from a dozen years ago and from girls in SE Asia and so are impossible to have romantic relations with?

[the_conductor]

(12-12-2012 01:07 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

But if you substitute the sappy version with a version that causes the woman to swoon in love, then we can both be holding in mind a similar type of romance. A romance where the man has hand and knows exactly what part he is playing in his effective seduction.

So how do you go about doing that?

[xsplat]

(12-12-2012 01:40 AM)the_conductor Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 01:07 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

But if you substitute the sappy version with a version that causes the woman to swoon in love, then we can both be holding in mind a similar type of romance. A romance where the man has hand and knows exactly what part he is playing in his effective seduction.

So how do you go about doing that?

I have a blog that explores how to make women fall in love with the man. It's not a subject that has lent itself to glib answers. A lot of it has to do with being considered by the woman as a high value man, a lot has to do with manipulating the womans emotions, a lot has to do with the sexual connection, much has to do with maintaining a dominant frame, there is a need to keep her in aquisitive mode always earning your attention, and on and on.

[xsplat]

Has anyone met a western girl who has had an "internet romance"?

It's possible to use romantic attraction triggers solely from text and chat, and have a girl believe that she is conversing with her soul mate.

Have you met any girls like that? Heard of them?

[billy]

(12-11-2012 10:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm with Fisto. The fastest way to lose a young American girl is to be romantic with her.

This is the point guys get into game because the want to be all suave and cool rocking a suit and treating a girl to dinner flowers and champagne when all this does in most cases is put a beta stamp on your head and make the pussy dry up. Romance is dead because it won't get you laid.

[bojangles]

I dumped a girl 3 weeks ago who I had deeply converted, the dump was easy for me, for her? not so much, she's been posting statuses for over 2 weeks now and I could easily relate them to all being about me. She was heartbroken I'm sure.

[xsplat]

(12-12-2012 06:06 AM)billy Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 10:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm with Fisto. The fastest way to lose a young American girl is to be romantic with her.

This is the point guys get into game because the want to be all suave and cool rocking a suit and treating a girl to dinner flowers and champagne when all this does in most cases is put a beta stamp on your head and make the pussy dry up. Romance is dead because it won't get you laid.

Are you saying that girls are incapable of having romantic feelings towards any man, or that the usual ways that betas go about trying to induce romance are inept?

That seems to be the crux of the communication impasse. People have this very clear vision in their head about romance, and it's a vision of fail. Therefore they conclude that it's not possible to induce romantic feelings.

It is possible to induce romantic feelings. Just not by the methods of fail.

[Christian McQueen]

This is a good post although it's being derailed.
I agree with Fisto in that EVERY chick CAN be fucked the first night guaranteed. Maybe not by me or you but some player somewhere. Especially after living in Vegas for 4-5 months that shit opened my eyes wider than fuck to the reality of girls lending themselves to the moment.

That being said...I DO believe there are some girls who ARE looking for romance. Reality is they're probably not going to be found in the club. I have found myself being more into seducing a girl's MIND after fucking her because it's more of a challenge. Problem is the last two 'relationships' I had I started out with ONS's and then decided to make them fall in 'love' with me.

First bitch was BPD so the trick was on me. 2nd bitch I did succeed in making her fall in love with me BUT I don't think to the degree mecessary to KEEP her when I 'fucked up'.

Point is I'm all about giving a girl a 'boyfriend experience' and I don't mean buying her flowers and dinners. I mean making her fall the fuck in love with me until she worships me. The gray area for me lies in how to do that without developing 'feelings' to a certain extent. Unless one is a sociopath they cannot be with a girl for 6 months on a daily basis as a bf/gf and not have any 'feelings' at all.

My next endeavor is to make another girl fall in love with me while retaining COMPLETE control of myself and how I feel towards her. Will be interesting....

[Sphere]

(12-12-2012 01:07 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

What is your take on the alpha widow phenonenon that we hear about? Does that still happen to girls in the west? Has that happened to you or any of the men that you know?

Have you known any girls to fall in love with you, or with any of your acquaintances?

Also, in a way I agree that "the fastest way to lose A GIRL is to be romantic with her." It depends really what "to be romantic with her" conjures up in ones mind. But if you substitute the sappy version with a version that causes the woman to swoon in love, then we can both be holding in mind a similar type of romance. A romance where the man has hand and knows exactly what part he is playing in his effective seduction.

My contention is that without the desire for and skill in bringing about a romantic connection, there is little chance to grow one. Some people have placed themselves in the position where romance is not to be found. This is in part due to the girls, but another part, which may be invisible to the man, is also due to the attitude of the man.

...

Do any of these ways I try to make sense of the world resonate with you as accurate ways to organize the information and data we share?

Or would you say the reason is that western women today have entirely different emotions than girls from a dozen years ago and from girls in SE Asia and so are impossible to have romantic relations with?

Women are women the world around as far as I can tell. As I laid out above, they all want to feel safe and they are all hard wired to find a high value man and to procreate. Even after they can no longer they still use the same cues in deciding who to fuck and when.

I'm damned good at getting women to fall in love with me. I have, at the moment, several alpha widows in my past. I get texts from women I've bedded telling me they are fucking their way through the OKCupid selection and that I'm the best they have ever been with. My ex left me because she found my RooshV profile and has been pining for my ass for 5 months. See here for the sorry details of how she won't leave my ass alone.

I used to be a natural. Somewhat beta, but a natural narcissistic asshole; completely unaware of it which is why I had no control over it - it just happened. Now I am completely self aware, I remain a narcissistic asshole, but I'm completely self-aware. I hold frame because in my world that's all that matters. I've even had women say to me "half the women you meet are going to fucking love you and the other half are going to despise you" and that has always been true. The ones that love me fall HARD. Why? Because even though I'm a narcissistic asshole, I am the romantic type. I love sappy movies, I love cooking for women, I pull out chairs, help them on with their coats, open doors for them etc. They fall in love because I'm a high value man. That's the essence of my game - The Boyfriend Experience.

So, xsplat, the answer is an unqualified YES. Romance is a big deal. All women are looking for it or are using it to justify their actions. I have control over my own actions and I feel crappy when I use what I know just to get what I want. I have to be careful and I usually end up falling for the high value girls. Recently though I find that even those can't hold my interest for long.

I gotta lock this shit down because this forum has already cost me one relationship. I wonder how many more it will cost?

One final word. If that is really your MO, McQueen'sPlayboyRules, you truly are a heartless bastard. Don't do that. Regardless of how much we want fresh pussy and regardless of how self-centered we can be, women have real feelings and can be very hurt. Don't go out of your way to be unkind. Getting a woman to fall for you hard when you have no feelings for her is as cruel a thing as you can do in the world short of a major crime. Seriously dude. Just don't.

[worldwidetraveler]

(12-11-2012 10:31 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Sphere,

I promise I'm not heartless, and in fact, I love having a romantic connection. I really don't like hurting a girls feelings who's only crime was becoming attached to me. I'm just telling you, even if this girl is the type of girl we'd all rather bang ( high quality), she will have another dick in her within 6 months max and more than likely one month.

My point with dumping them is that it's better for both parties to end things rather than have some drawn out breakup that really only accomplishes the same thing but has more misery and just delays what's inevitable anyway.

As far as "good" girls sometimes I simply don't have the heart to take a girl out knowing that what she really yearns for isn't just a good time but a meaningful relationship. I've turned down quite a bit of pussy like that and sometimes I kick myself for it. The fact is that ALL women want to be banged good "Christian" girls and bad ones too and they can all be banged on the first date by SOMEONE. Maybe not you or I but someone that's doing things right, and has caught her on the right day.

I have to agree with Fisto based on my experiences. At first, I was very surprised at how fast a good looking woman can move on to another dick. Now, it is assumed it will happen. It doesn't matter if they still have feelings for you they will not be alone for long.

I think you need to take things in context when listening to Xsplat. They guy hasn't been dating in the western world for a long time according to his posts. Please correct me if I am wrong, Xsplat.

[xsplat]

(12-12-2012 08:08 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

At first, I was very surprised at how fast a good looking woman can move on to another dick. Now, it is assumed it will happen. It doesn't matter if they still have feelings for you they will not be alone for long.

It's both true. Women can move on fast. But they can also become alpha widows.

If we are helping each other develop a theory of mind for women, then the project is trying to make a theory that includes all the data.

How do you fit into your theory of mind for women the data of those on this forum whove had girls fall very deelpy and who grieved long and hard for them?

It's one thing to make sense of our experience in a way that makes sense to us. But look - here is my point. What if women today still were succeptible to some sort of game that led them to feel romantic towards the man? Do we have any evidence that this is the case? Do some people on this very forum do that?

And if so, why is this form of dealing with women not more popular?

Certainly a lot of guys are not going to have much personal experience with successful romantic relationships. Ok. But does that mean that they are not possible? And if you want to discount my experiences because I'm in SE Asia and last dated in the west a dozen years ago - fine. Throw that all out. But what do you make of the experiences of your peers closer to your location?

[worldwidetraveler]

(12-12-2012 09:21 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

It's both true. Women can move on fast. But they can also become alpha widows.

If we are helping each other develop a theory of mind for women, then the project is trying to make a theory that includes all the data.

How do you fit into your theory of mind for women the data of those on this forum whove had girls fall very deelpy and who grieved long and hard for them?

It's one thing to make sense of our experience in a way that makes sense to us. But look - here is my point. What if women today still were succeptible to some sort of game that led them to feel romantic towards the man? Do we have any evidence that this is the case? Do some people on this very forum do that?

And if so, why is this form of dealing with women not more popular?

Certainly a lot of guys are not going to have much personal experience with successful romantic relationships. Ok. But does that mean that they are not possible? And if you want to discount my experiences because I'm in SE Asia and last dated in the west a dozen years ago - fine. Throw that all out. But what do you make of the experiences of your peers closer to your location?

How are you getting your data in terms of women longing for months/years?

I would never trust what a woman says. She may be saying she is crying day and night for 6 months but hardly believable even if it helps the ego.

I think women are a lot more resilient then that.

Sure, I could go to several ex's and hook up. It doesn't mean it would lead to anywhere nor mean those women want to have a relationship again. It certainly doesn't mean they are sitting around thinking of me all the time and wishing I was back in their life.

I think part of the longing you describe comes from being perceived as a high valued man. How easy is the man to be replaced. The harder to replace him the longer she may fantasize. The easier, the quicker to move on.

I am discounting a lot of what you write. You say a woman cries day and night for 6 months. How do you know this is true? Where you there every day and night to see her cry? Please don't tell me you just accepted what she said at face value.

Moving to a country where you're considered higher value is a factor in your experiences. That isn't as easily duplicated in the western world. How about you come back to the west and try out your theories and see if you can duplicate your results?

[xsplat]

(12-12-2012 09:43 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 09:21 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

It's both true. Women can move on fast. But they can also become alpha widows.

If we are helping each other develop a theory of mind for women, then the project is trying to make a theory that includes all the data.

How do you fit into your theory of mind for women the data of those on this forum whove had girls fall very deelpy and who grieved long and hard for them?

It's one thing to make sense of our experience in a way that makes sense to us. But look - here is my point. What if women today still were succeptible to some sort of game that led them to feel romantic towards the man? Do we have any evidence that this is the case? Do some people on this very forum do that?

And if so, why is this form of dealing with women not more popular?

Certainly a lot of guys are not going to have much personal experience with successful romantic relationships. Ok. But does that mean that they are not possible? And if you want to discount my experiences because I'm in SE Asia and last dated in the west a dozen years ago - fine. Throw that all out. But what do you make of the experiences of your peers closer to your location?

How are you getting your data in terms of women longing for months/years?

I would never trust what a woman says. She may be saying she is crying day and night for 6 months but hardly believable even if it helps the ego.

I think women are a lot more resilient then that.

Sure, I could go to several ex's and hook up. It doesn't mean it would lead to anywhere nor mean those women want to have a relationship again. It certainly doesn't mean they are sitting around thinking of me all the time and wishing I was back in their life.

I think part of the longing you describe comes from being perceived as a high valued man. How easy is the man to be replaced. The harder to replace him the longer she may fantasize. The easier, the quicker to move on.

I am discounting a lot of what you write. You say a woman cries day and night for 6 months. How do you know this is true? Where you there every day and night to see her cry? Please don't tell me you just accepted what she said at face value.

Moving to a country where you're considered higher value is a factor in your experiences. That isn't as easily duplicated in the western world. How about you come back to the west and try out your theories and see if you can duplicate your results?

It's absolutely correct that I get a huge value boost through location. That's really a good way to look at that. That's how I see it.

As to how do I know that some girls grieved for a long time, it's according to both what they say and what they do. I still have one stalker whose been staking me for 7 years now. Following me around from city to city. Even while she's dating younger and more handsome western men, she'll tell me that she's still in love with. And suck cock on command.

But as I say, if my stories seem unbelievable, there is still the matter of the many varied similar experiences from our peers on this forum.

As to why I don't move back to the west, the answer should be obvious. It's much harder to date pretty young women there for a guy of my age and looks. Why would I? To prove that I'm good with girls? I don't fuck pretty young girls for the benefit of social status - I fuck them because I want to fuck them. My location is no accident. It's easier here.

But of course even in the best pussy paradise, it's always possible to stretch so far out of your league that you meet at least as much resistance as you would back home. It's really just a matter of what fruit you can reach, not of all fruit becoming low hanging. My legs are way longer here, so I can reach higher up. But there will always be fruit that is quite the stretch.

And if the fruit is quite a stretch, a similar level of game is required. You just get better pickings.

[theIVth]

The illusion of becoming something more is always there with pretty much every girl Ive messed with, save for a few. I rarely ever meet girls that fuck me that dont want more than just a fuck. they all want to be your girlfriend. the reasons they stop messing with me is usually because they eventually realize that its not going any further than it is now.

as far as making a concerted effort to make a girl believe that she will be my girlfriend and then just pulling the rug from underneath her as soon as I fuck, ive never done that. I have homeboys that do, but I just have never played the game that way cause I dont like decieving and blatantly lying to people.

[worldwidetraveler]

(12-12-2012 09:52 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

It's absolutely correct that I get a huge value boost through location. That's really a good way to look at that. That's how I see it.

As to how do I know that some girls grieved for a long time, it's according to both what they say and what they do. I still have one stalker whose been staking me for 7 years now. Following me around from city to city.

But as I say, if my stories seem unbelievable, there is still the matter of the many varied similar experiences from our peers on this forum.

Hey, I have no problem with someone moving to where they are appreciated more. I am all for it.

What you are saying has not negated my points about being perceived as higher value.

I was hoping to go to Phils last year but ended up being stuck here, in the Western world, trying to complete a massive project. I got to talking to some filipinas and enjoyed one in particular. Well, I ended up not being able to go but even after a year she still contacts me saying I am the perfect guy for her.

Now why would a woman say that after a year? We never met, I never made her groan from orgasms, I never bought her flowers and made her feel pretty, oh so pretty.

My ego would like to assume that I am the best guy in the world, but we all know if she found a guy she perceived the same value as me I would never hear from her again.

Women are notorious for having another guy lined up before breaking up with their boyfriends.

There is also a sense of control when you are the person breaking up. A lost of control when you are the person being broken up with. I remembered when I was about to break up with a girl and she beat me too it. I was pretty young at the time so I naturally reacted to getting her back. Once I got her back I finally came out of the haze and realized how I fucked myself and promptly broke up with her.

[xsplat]

(12-12-2012 09:58 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

What you are saying has not negated my points about being perceived as higher value.

I edited my post and added a few things while you were writing, but I don't disagree with you about getting a value boost here. I think it's fair to judge my success here therefore not by comparing me to guys in the west, but by comparing me to other western guys here. I'd say my results compare quite favorably.

(12-12-2012 09:58 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Now why would a woman say that after a year? We never met, I never made her groan from orgasms, I never bought her flowers and made her feel pretty, oh so pretty.

My ego would like to assume that I am the best guy in the world, but we all know if she found a guy she perceived the same value as me I would never hear from her again.

Women are notorious for having another guy lined up before breaking up with their boyfriends.

I hear you. Women don't love the way men with little experience with women expect. The don't love as men love. They love opportunistically. You got that right.

But you can take two guys of ojbectively similar status and the girl will fall for only one of them.

I'm saying we have the choice to be that one. That's something we can do on purpose.

How we behave makes a HUGE difference. I don't think you can discount my experiences here as they relate to the local western competition. For some reason I do better than younger and more handsome and even richer guys, and my women sometimes remain smitten with me even after I leave and they hook up with the objectively higher value men. Even when those men are talking marriage.

(12-12-2012 09:58 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

There is also a sense of control when you are the person breaking up. A lost of control when you are the person being broken up with. I remembered when I was about to break up with a girl and she beat me too it. I was pretty young at the time so I naturally reacted to getting her back. Once I got her back I finally came out of the haze and realized how I fucked myself and promptly broke up with her.

Ya, I've been in a similar situation. About to break with some broad, but she beat me to it, and then I was pining for her.

[20Nation]

One night stands are actually nicer than spending more time with a girl. The more time you spend with a girl, the more attached to you she will become. I have found that when I have a 1 night stand, rarely do girls get stalkerish. But if I hit 3 dates it will always create strong emotions and it will really hurt her when I end it. So honestly I have more one night stands now simply because I don't like hurting girls. I usually let them down slowly. I will kind of message them back at first, so they suspect that I'm not into them any more, then I will do it less and less then not at all. I think it lets them down slowly so they don't feel all the emotion of a rejection at once.

And as far as Fisto and Explats comments. Here is what I see. I see Fisto saying I'm better at standard game than Xsplat so I don't want to listen to what he says. And on the other side I see Xsplat saying I'm better at relationship game than you so listen to me. There is the underlying problem. Both are important for different purposes and both are game. However, being in south east asia makes girls falling in love with you a lot easier. Not to mention so many girls are trying to date their way to a better life here that saying "i can't stop thinking about you, I still love you." is just a way to keep a past option open. I've had girls here make up stories about a guy asking her to marry her, but she still just wanted me. I know she probably thought she was in love with me, but here its different. If a rich man did ask her to marry him, she would, even if she loved me, because she's not sure I would marry her. In south east asia a lot of the time it's more about a better life for them and their family and hopefully they can find love. What I'm trying to say is... relationship game is different here than it is back in the states.

[xsplat]

I agree with you 20Nation that relationship game is different in different cultures, and that relative status is also going to effect things. We probably differ a bit on in what ways and to what degrees, and you haven't addressed the differences we see between relationship outcomes of expats in the same foreign country, but overall we are seeing the same basic picture.

But I'm just going to keep coming back to the same point, again and again.

Do you believe that current western women are capable of having romantic feelings? Do you believe that a current western man can learn to inspire romance out these women? What do you make of the alpha widow phenonemon; is that active still in the west?

[Duke Castile]

20Nation, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying "Xsplat is selling his blog and he's talking about romancing poor philipino girls who's counterparts wouldn't give him the time of day in the western world, therefore I have nothing to learn from him" On top of that, the guy LIVES for confrontations on the internet. Possibly to make up from the lack of mental stimulation it takes to "romance" a girl in SEA.

I've been following your conquests and I think you can agree that it's possibly 100s of times easier. I'm betting you employ certain romantic gestures and sentiments (I do these things to, albeit from a place of strength) that get these girls in bed. Xsplat does what any guy who has "standard" game (as you put it) would adjust and do in his environment. He just "romanticizes" what he actually does in this self gratifying strategy of his. That sort of thing just annoys me. I'm not selling anything, I don't have a blog I desperately want people to read.

[20Nation]

(12-12-2012 12:38 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

I agree with you 20Nation that relationship game is different in different cultures, and that relative status is also going to effect things. We probably differ a bit on in what ways and to what degrees, and you haven't addressed the differences we see between relationship outcomes of expats in the same foreign country, but overall we are seeing the same basic picture.

But I'm just going to keep coming back to the same point, again and again.

Do you believe that current western women are capable of having romantic feelings? Do you believe that a current western man can learn to inspire romance out these women? What do you make of the alpha widow phenonemon; is that active still in the west?

The expats thing isn't a good example. Most of the expats are expats in these places because they couldn't get girls back home. I'm not saying it means that you don't have good relationship game, but I am saying you can't tell by comparing yourself to expats.

As far as romance, I know women still love romance. But to be honest most of them like the idea of romance more than romance itself. Disney movies is the perfect example. Usually the girl falls in love with a guy with tons of high value qualities (example: fearless/rich/handsome/charming) alladin, tangled, little mermaid. So these girls they want high value guys, people don't understand that the value is a huge part in what makes it romantic. What does happen in these movies is that the girl gets everything she wants at the end of these movies. The reason it is at the end is because if they kept going, it becomes very boring. So true romance is really taking away what a girl thinks she already has, then giving it back again so that she can relive it again and again.

The alpha widow phenomenon happens more in the west. It usually happens with entitled fat chicks, not high value girls. It is caused by a guy of high value scraping the bottom of the barrel out of desperation. She ends up with a high value guy and thinks that it happened once, that it could happen again.

[20Nation]

(12-12-2012 12:40 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

20Nation, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying "Xsplat is selling his blog and he's talking about romancing poor philipino girls who's counterparts wouldn't give him the time of day in the western world, therefore I have nothing to learn from him" On top of that, the guy LIVES for confrontations on the internet. Possibly to make up from the lack of mental stimulation it takes to "romance" a girl in SEA.

I've been following your conquests and I think you can agree that it's possibly 100s of times easier. I'm betting you employ certain romantic gestures and sentiments (I do these things to, albeit from a place of strength) that get these girls in bed. Xsplat does what any guy who has "standard" game (as you put it) would adjust and do in his environment. He just "romanticizes" what he actually does in this self gratifying strategy of his. That sort of thing just annoys me. I'm not selling anything, I don't have a blog I desperately want people to read.

I don't know about a hundred times easier, but it is a hell of a lot easier here. I have like a 90% date close rate, and it would be more like 98% if I was more willing to go to 2 or 3 dates with good girls (only 1 girl so far have i legitimately lost on the date, and that was exhaustion from too much dating.) So yeah I'm bragging a bit that I'm a great closer, and I 100% agree that almost every girl can be same night closed. But yes, I could never have this ridiculous high close rate back in the states. It is a lot easier here.

Yeah you have to use bits of romance with girls. It's very obvious that men and women are wired for different things sexually. But I still believe that women like the idea of romance more than actual romance. They like to think about how it would feel to have some millionaire send them roses every day. But the only reason this is "romantic" is because the millionaire is higher value than the girl. A guy who is lower value does 100% the same thing, and it's all of a sudden not romantic. I employ romance, but it's because I do a good job showing I'm higher value than the girl, and if I ever think she thinks otherwise (at the beginning of gaming her) I won't do anything remotely romantic. Romance is really powerful, especially if you want a longer relationship, but you have make her see you as a lot higher value than her first. Then, you can use romance. It will make her fall in love with you. I was kind of sad when I found out how simple it was. But it was funny how wrong the first pua's like mystery, style, etc. were about not doing "beta" things. "Beta" things will make a girl fall in love, but you have to do them at the right time. I'm actually very careful not to do "beta" things here, because it will give a girl hope and lead her on.