[Beyond Borders]

(12-24-2012 05:49 AM)BiggNastee Wrote:  

So. Just "own" my emotions and control them? Houston, give me a break. Im only 20 cutie

???

[trainwreck]

2012 has been a big year for me in terms of girls. I've banged the most number of girls and I was in a mini relationship with one of those so called "good girls". After a couple of months, I've realized that even those "good girls" have done the craziest stuff. She was just trying to put up an image in my head because she felt I was still being slightly judgemental. Once I found out certain stuff, it led me to one simple conclusion: They really are all sluts.

No matter how good of a girl she tries to make herself look, chances are she's gonna hop on another dick once she leaves your place. Or that she has done that "thing I've never done before OMG" with 10 other guys before.

Once you've come to that conclusion you can put down the madonna complex and just enjoy women for what they are: Highly emotional & sexual creatures that are relevant to you until they stop pleasuring you or being a positive part of your life. Also, accepting that this is just their nature and that you, as a guy, will do exactly the same if given the chance or in the same situation, will give you more inner peace.

I mean, some girls might not be OK with banging two guys at the same time, that's true (I've seen that mostly in Eastern Europe so far)... BUT still, given the #1 Reason to (bad feelings in relationship right now) #2 History (has she cheated before?) and #3 Opportunity (hot guy with game hitting on her) every woman hitting these 3 points will cheat on you.

Either way, this chick right now isn't technically cheating on you.. just playing you. Now its up to you to decide if you wanna play it too or just call it quits.

[BiggNastee]

(12-24-2012 05:53 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 05:49 AM)BiggNastee Wrote:  

So. Just "own" my emotions and control them? Houston, give me a break. Im only 20 cutie

???

Too soon?

[DVY]

@dude 3737- game as usual. You should bang. I had a similar dilemna recently w/a nice girl. You gave me some advice on a different thread and it was gold. Give her a solid disclaimer when she starts questioning what your status is with her-

"I am not looking for anything serious".

Honesty is always the best policy. Until, she asks you more its implied sex and then the both of you will re-evaluate.

[Mujeriego]

The starter in my rotation has been acting a little funny lately so I went snooping through her texts. Sure enough there was a string of late night texts from a dude that left me with no doubt that I'm not the only one sampling the platter. Like slubu, I was turned off.

On the subject of nice girls:
One of my exes from college was a nice girl who I totally ruined. I would ditch her to go party constantly then come home dead drunk and wake her up for sex. She was a virgin when we met so I don't think she knew any better in terms of male behavior. The poor girl put up with my antics and was always willing to give more. We dated for a little over a year with me pulling more outrageous stunts every month. I left her but continued to fuck her until she had a meltdown when I told her to stop sending me flowers and love letters to try and win me back. Last I heard she was riding the cock carousel hard and bitter as hell.

[GameTheory]

(12-20-2012 12:59 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^^^
Under 20 years old, non-high end college (they get indoctrinated with feminism) and does not have a serious social circle yet.

SEC or ACC campuses. at some of them the female/male ratio is close to 2:1

[Grenblin]

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's a lot of guys here that will say it shouldn't matter who she fucks and that if she's giving you good sex then enjoy it and so on as long as you don't wife her up. In theory I have no problem with that point of view, but in reality I just don't feel comfortable banging a girl who is banging other guys. You can call that beta or traditional or whatever, but my dick goes soft if I know she's getting slammed by other dicks and taking them in her mouth.

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time that I find it absolutely unnecessary to share a girl.

I apologize in advance for bumping an old thread, but just past Friday I experienced something very similar to what slubu described
and I must admit, I am very flattered (?) to see that not just OP and many others, but the Man and the Legend himself share my point of view

Also, the amount of priceless knowledge I picked up from this thread alone... my head is swollen but I'm damn happy I stumbled upon this.

[RedPillUK]

Ha agreed and same here. I just posted my problem in the player's lounge but I might as well have posted it here, I saw this bumped so read through it just now. I feel the same way as you and Roosh. I'm not just turned off by sluttiness but it kind of depresses me as well.

Even if I'm not in a relationship with a girl, such as a family member or acquaintance, I've found them out to be sluts and it's a sick nauseous depressing feeling.

[Grenblin]

Abso-fucking-lutely agree.
I can't even be near people like that. I am afraid that I will somehow get infected by that shit if I stand too close or, Thor forbid, touch them.

And yes, this is as heavy and depressing as much as it is eye opening. I took my RP a few years ago, but for some reason only when reading this thread I can say that I know how Neo felt when he was told by Morpheus about the Matrix. I felt that I myself was going to pop quite a few times.

[Pride male]

Sigh...they all act like frigid prudes with me.

[N°6]

(11-29-2012 03:46 PM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

like you said, you ignored some strong signs, especially

- she's been in two threesomes before
- she drinks, does coke, is a party girl when she goes out
- her friends are sluts
- she has a small tattoo above her vag

I made my excuses and bailed on a woman last week after I saw her vag tattoo when I removed her knickers. I was already wondering about her scent which was closer to an odour. She's in her late 30s so she has probably been on the carousel for nearly two decades now.

These days, it is like being a captain of a U-Boot on the hunt for ships, it is not a question of how many ships you decide to torpedo but more often a question of which ships you leave alone for your own good.

It is not the first time I was forced to refuse sex and bail at the risk of being called gay or having things thrown at me for spurning a woman.

[Thrill Jackson]

(11-29-2012 03:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

This girl is a slut so all girls in the world are sluts?? That logic seems a little funny to me?

(11-29-2012 02:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  

come to accept the sad but true nature of our chromosomal counterparts.

Women are sexual creatures! Why is this sad? To me, this is exciting! This is good news!

Imagine a world were women were prude and non sexual. THAT WOULD BE SAD!

Would you really be happier if women were more conservative?

(11-29-2012 02:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  

women are, sadly, who we thought they were.

I don't know. If we thought they were sexual, and we get confirmation that they are sexual, why would that makes us sad?

I think the issue is that we thought they were something else. Many of us thought that women were these special little creatures that only have sex with 2-3 guys their whole life!

If you thought that, you are naive. You have been programmed by mainstream media and feminist culture to believe something that isn't true.

Whats makes guys sad is not the fact that getting pussy is easier then they previously imagined. What makes guys sad is the fact that their entire worldview gets shattered, they beleive the world is a certain way and then they find out they were wrong.

This is a big shock to most guys. They get mad and want to lash out.

Blame your parents, teachers, and older mentors for not telling you the truth.

Welcome to the real world - Women are human beings just like us! They think about cock, they fantasize about sex, they get horny, they want to fuck. They want to have fun just like us.

This doesn't depress me. This excites me.

(11-29-2012 02:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  

- she's been in two threesomes before
- she sends me dirty text pics
- she's in art school
- she's told me I have cart blanche to do whatever I want to her in bed
- she drinks, does coke, is a party girl when she goes out
- masturbates in the passenger seat of my car while driving
- enjoys and is quite talented at giving head
- her friends are sluts
- questioned me numerous times if i'm banging other girls
- she has a small tattoo above her vag

How long have you known all of this? You knew she was a slut as soon as you saw that tattoo!!! Many signs here that you could have picked up on.

I don't see anything sad here. I see a 20yo college girl who moved out to LA from the midwest. She is having fun. She will eventually marry some guy and he will never know. I think this has been going on forever and it will go on forever.

Women are not any more special then us. We like to fuck, they like to fuck, that's reality.

If you are religious, blame the creator.

If you are an atheist, blame the culture.

If you are a scientist, blame evolution.

GIRLS ARE SLUTS! GO BANG THEM BEFORE YOU ARE OLD!

Hell yeah I would be happy if all girls were conservative. As corny as it sounds, I have always dreamed of getting a good job with a attractive good wife so I could give my kids the life I never had.My parents had that live fast lifestyle which landed me in a orphanage which led to my terrible childhood that haunts me EVERY DAY. This is the ONLY reason I'm committed to game. To be readdy to filter through the sluts and game the 7/10 with strong family values and start a happy family. All that banging hot chicks for life shit is for the birds. Give me a loyal wife with two kids and a house I own in the burbs and I'll be a happy man for life.

[iknowexactly]

(08-20-2016 04:05 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 03:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

GIRLS ARE SLUTS! GO BANG THEM BEFORE YOU ARE OLD!

Hell yeah I would be happy if all girls were conservative. As corny as it sounds, I have always dreamed of getting a good job with a attractive good wife so I could give my kids the life I never had.My parents had that live fast lifestyle which landed me in a orphanage which led to my terrible childhood that haunts me EVERY DAY. This is the ONLY reason I'm committed to game. To be ready to filter through the sluts and game the 7/10 with strong family values and start a happy family. All that banging hot chicks for life shit is for the birds. Give me a loyal wife with two kids and a house I own in the burbs and I'll be a happy man for life.

Your goals are reasonable--if it was 1959 in the USA-- nowadays unless you're a Kennedy or a Pro athlete or a plastic surgeon getting a slim white chick in the USA who'll behave is like trying to find a good blood transfusion in some AIDS-ridden African shithole. There's some there, yeah.....somewhere.

(I'm exaggerating to make a point-- but American women have about the highest self-value estimation in the world and have high demands that seem to REMAIN high throughout marriage.)

You should DEFINITELY travel overseas to ANYWHERE but the Anglosphere and check out how other women in the world relate to men. After seeing Russia, Ukraine, Europe, Philippines, Japan I said to one less fortunate un-traveled American young man: "Don't even THINK of marrying an American girl."

I worked in an office with about 10 doctors, high paid, decent looking (not fat) intelligent, polite dudes, and all 4 or 5 that were married to white American women are divorced and paying child support. If those guys can't keep a wife happy, there's a real problem in the culture. The others are immigrants.

One of the white doctors is a tall, really good looking,genial, polite and intelligent guy who is charismatic, he was so smart politically I used to ask him how to handle office situations, he was eminently likeable. I used to make fun of him saying he was new alpha in the office because he was taller than me. (It was actually true, the guy was a natural and a doctor.)

He ended up marrying a South American ex-model. She treats him well, and his American ex is still harassing him for more money. She blatantly lies about her assets to make herself look poorer for the courts.

About the tormented memories--
Is going to therapy Beta?

[Thrill Jackson]

(08-20-2016 04:33 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 04:05 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 03:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

GIRLS ARE SLUTS! GO BANG THEM BEFORE YOU ARE OLD!

Hell yeah I would be happy if all girls were conservative. As corny as it sounds, I have always dreamed of getting a good job with a attractive good wife so I could give my kids the life I never had.My parents had that live fast lifestyle which landed me in a orphanage which led to my terrible childhood that haunts me EVERY DAY. This is the ONLY reason I'm committed to game. To be ready to filter through the sluts and game the 7/10 with strong family values and start a happy family. All that banging hot chicks for life shit is for the birds. Give me a loyal wife with two kids and a house I own in the burbs and I'll be a happy man for life.

Your goals are reasonable--if it was 1959 in the USA-- nowadays unless you're a Kennedy or a Pro athlete or a plastic surgeon getting a slim white chick in the USA who'll behave is like trying to find a good blood transfusion in some AIDS-ridden African shithole. There's some there, yeah.....somewhere.

(I'm exaggerating to make a point-- but American women have about the highest self-value estimation in the world and have high demands that seem to REMAIN high throughout marriage.)

You should DEFINITELY travel overseas to ANYWHERE but the Anglosphere and check out how other women in the world relate to men. After seeing Russia, Ukraine, Europe, Philippines, Japan I said to one less fortunate un-traveled American young man: "Don't even THINK of marrying an American girl."

I worked in an office with about 10 doctors, high paid, decent looking (not fat) intelligent, polite dudes, and all 4 or 5 that were married to white American women are divorced and paying child support. If those guys can't keep a wife happy, there's a real problem in the culture. The others are immigrants.

One of the white doctors is a tall, really good looking,genial, polite and intelligent guy who is charismatic, he was so smart politically I used to ask him how to handle office situations, he was eminently likeable. I used to make fun of him saying he was new alpha in the office because he was taller than me. (It was actually true, the guy was a natural and a doctor.)

He ended up marrying a South American ex-model. She treats him well, and his American ex is still harassing him for more money. She blatantly lies about her assets to make herself look poorer for the courts.

About the tormented memories--
Is going to therapy Beta?

I'm going to still give it a shot, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't. I don't necessarily want to get married as much as I want to be living with my kids seeing their faces everyday and letting them know I will ALWAYS be their for them. Until they become adults, that's when its time to let them spread their wings a little bit.

[Robert Plant]

1. Women like sex.
2. In free societies women have multiple sexual partners throughout their lifetime.
3. White American women tend to be dominating, demanding and overoptimistic about their own smv.

Personally, I don't mind 1 and 2 as long as the woman is respectful and honest to me. 3 is a problem because it will lead to disrespect and drama. That's why I relegate most white american women to one night stands or fuck buddies. Since I've been in the game all the women I've had more significant relationships with have been either ethnic or foreign.

Since I stopped having relationships with white American girls I have been in 5 relationships ranging from mini to long term. I have experienced zero disrespect and very little drama. Having said that, I don't demand monogamy from girls anymore. I think in the west, this is a fools errand and I don't want to be 100% monogamous anyway. To the best of my knowledge, only 1 of my girls has slept with another guy (while with me) and in this case, it was a one night stand when she was away from me for a few weeks. Do I know this is true for sure? No. But every sign points it to being the case and my girls have very little reason to lie to me.

Its amazing what outcome independence will do. Its also amazing how seeing white american girls for what they are will make you a better man.

So are all girls sluts? Most are not but assuming they are hot, they will sleep with several guys in their lifetime and probably cheat once or twice in the context of a monogamous relationship. To me sleeping with 10-15 guys between the ages of 14 and 30 does not make a women messed up.

[Robert Plant]

Think about this: most of the guys on RVF are picking up girls from Tinder, OKCupid and night game. Most of us are also pushing for sex very fast. So it logically follows that the girls who we get with are going to be sluttier than average. If we were all picking up girls through social circle and letting sex progress one date at time, I don't think guys would be complaining about all girls being sluts. I don't think guys would be getting laid as much either though.

[Pride male]

Wait, so you are telling me women are not naturally monogamous?

[iknowexactly]

(08-21-2016 02:37 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

1. Women like sex.
2. In free societies women have multiple sexual partners throughout their lifetime.
3. White American women tend to be dominating, demanding and overoptimistic about their own smv.

Personally, I don't mind 1 and 2 as long as the woman is respectful and honest to me. 3 is a problem because it will lead to disrespect and drama.

+1 for succinct and accurate analysis of the factors that are problematic with American women.

Your #3 is indeed the killer as you say.

Getting an American woman and then bitching about her entitled attitude, demeanor bordering on belligerence, and distorted assessment of whom she can get control of, is like buying a Ferrari and then complaining it is an expensive car to maintain.

Of COURSE it is...

I know one guy who owned a major retail chain in the Midwest, he had three women on the line, all wanted monagamy, he told them all no, and they still put out. If you have THAT kind of status or are a super-natural, THEN maybe American women are worth it. You just send them away when they misbehave.

It's like a paying $3500* for a routine service on a Ferrari, I guess some people have enough money that it doesn't bother them. Each person has to make the choice.

* I have no idea what servicing Ferraris costs.

[j.archer]

Quote:

Men, we’re only jealous of things we value – things we consider to be rightfully ours. But in actuality, jealousy for us is nothing more than the realization that what we thought was ours really wasn’t.

I thought my #1 girl was mine, and I thought my favorite picture was mine, so I assigned value to it. When it became evident that neither was mine, I became jealous. I should have recognized that the jealousy I was experiencing was simply a wakeup call for me to stop overvaluing my #1 girl and the things I thought were special between us.

...you only have two other options. The first is to crawl up on that relationship cross and forgive her, and the second is to reassign her value to an appropriate level. Guess which one I recommend…

I’ve lowered her value in my mind and no longer expect the truth from her on anything of a private matter, and I no longer consider the things we share to be simply between the two of us. Thanks to jealousy, I realized that I couldn’t have any sort of relationship with her outside of a physical one if it required trust of any kind.

Jealousy is nature’s way of letting a man know that he has assigned too high of a value to a particular person or event. If you’re living with jealousy over a girlfriend or an ex, you have placed her in a category higher than she deserves.

Protect that which is yours, but never be jealous of that which can be given away by someone else.

This post right here was whoah....

[RedPillUK]

(08-23-2016 04:20 PM)j.archer Wrote:  

Quote:

Men, we’re only jealous of things we value – things we consider to be rightfully ours. But in actuality, jealousy for us is nothing more than the realization that what we thought was ours really wasn’t ...

Protect that which is yours, but never be jealous of that which can be given away by someone else.

This post right here was whoah....

Yeah I agree, I'm still trying to comprehend this and put it into practise.

Could you explain further? And tell us where you got this concept from?

Edit: Don't have time to find the original post, he's probably not reading.

[El Padrone]

Bored this Friday after work so I'm thread hunting and bumping!

[Kid Twist]

(08-21-2016 02:56 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Think about this: most of the guys on RVF are picking up girls from Tinder, OKCupid and night game. Most of us are also pushing for sex very fast. So it logically follows that the girls who we get with are going to be sluttier than average. If we were all picking up girls through social circle and letting sex progress one date at time, I don't think guys would be complaining about all girls being sluts. I don't think guys would be getting laid as much either though.

I love this wisdom

This is the inevitable outcome, also, of a culture that disrespects tradition, family, and social circle for ... materialism. Is it a coincidence that if you throw women all out there on their own, without male protection and wisdom, that they act out? Especially in the technology age of pill or abortion.

Without materialism, your family and social circle looks out for best matches for you. With it, the Pareto rule pops up and advertising, social media, etc. ruins women.

How's that working out, cat ladies?

The biggest lie or ignorance going currently is the denial of biology. Male, female, family, children --- modern societies have shown us that they are no good at holding fast to these and most people are unfulfilled because of it.

[Vill@in]

This is a good thread. OP was mad at himself for not seeing the signs.

Anymore I just assume the girl I'm banging is banging other guys. Is that fact? I don't know. I don't WANT to know.

[Babablacksheep]

(12-21-2012 04:51 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Giovonny is going to be married within three years.

I think it would be a good thing and i am sure with this attitude, he will find someone who would be best suited to his intellect.

[Vienna]

(08-23-2016 04:20 PM)j.archer Wrote:  

Quote:

Men, we’re only jealous of things we value – things we consider to be rightfully ours. But in actuality, jealousy for us is nothing more than the realization that what we thought was ours really wasn’t.

I thought my #1 girl was mine, and I thought my favorite picture was mine, so I assigned value to it. When it became evident that neither was mine, I became jealous. I should have recognized that the jealousy I was experiencing was simply a wakeup call for me to stop overvaluing my #1 girl and the things I thought were special between us.

...you only have two other options. The first is to crawl up on that relationship cross and forgive her, and the second is to reassign her value to an appropriate level. Guess which one I recommend…

I’ve lowered her value in my mind and no longer expect the truth from her on anything of a private matter, and I no longer consider the things we share to be simply between the two of us. Thanks to jealousy, I realized that I couldn’t have any sort of relationship with her outside of a physical one if it required trust of any kind.

Jealousy is nature’s way of letting a man know that he has assigned too high of a value to a particular person or event. If you’re living with jealousy over a girlfriend or an ex, you have placed her in a category higher than she deserves.

Protect that which is yours, but never be jealous of that which can be given away by someone else.

This post right here was whoah....

Damn solid post!