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11-12-2012, 05:49 PM
It's good to have a friend who genuinely cares about you. (not like those guys 'hey you can be a player oh btw, you need to give me $2000 for 2 days workshop')
If they want to take a ride with you voluntarily, then let them join you.
If you have to convince them to join you which can stress you out, leave them alone.
Why do you bother with those people? what do you get in the end?
I say 'be selfish' not meaning steal something from someone to be happier but meaning protect your happiness by not engaging with someone you need to change.
eg: there are people with drug problems. you might genuinely care about them and want to help them. Most of the time, you will get frustrated dealing with those people. they might even fight with you and blame you for their problem.
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11-12-2012, 06:03 PM
It difficult to near impossible to do anything. I could add some guys to the 'friends who get laid the least' thread, some guys I know just annoy the hell out of me. Good guys, but terrible with women. I know a kid who hasn't been laid in 10 years. His first few girlfriends cheated on him, and he's been jerking it ever since.
It's even worse when you try to introduce them to the concept of game and the stuff they say.
'You just bang sluts, ANYONE can bang sluts.' (heh anyone, except them apparently)
Bring up a story about how you've been on a roll and they quickly change the subject.
Tell them that bringing flowers to a hot 23 year old on a date from match.com is a mistake...
'No you're wrong dude, this girl is into me, she loved the flowers.'
'Actually she's probably going to stop talking to you.'
'Whatever she's not a slut.'
'Wait and see.'
A few weeks later.
'That girl disappeared I spent a few hundred bucks on her and she just went invisible, what a bitch.'
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11-12-2012, 06:06 PM
Experiences from my 'whipped' friends. A couple months ago, I managed to get him out, and literally put a woman on his lap, and he still didn't make a move. Think will need to start considering roofies with viagra in order to get them laid .
If you're not growing, you're dying.
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My friends won't listen to me
11-12-2012, 06:13 PM
Beta's don't value alpha advice. He can not discern the difference between beta, female and alpha advice.
He view your advice is the same as female advice.
He doubts you, because he doubt himself.
He does not want to succeed. He just wants to believe it.
He fears failure, so he will look to fail, so he can believe that it was meant to be.
He does not want to believe he can do it, because it would be a conviction on his failure in life, he will soon realize he is beta....this is what he fears most.
Beta's do not live in reality.
Beta's live in a fantasy world, where they believe the world is fair.
Beta's believe girls are sweet and pure.
Just a few reason why he will never listen, until he becomes more of a man or an alpha.
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11-12-2012, 06:39 PM
About a year ago I became an intern for a now popular pickup company. I was totally immersed in red pillage as these guys were always approaching. Not until after one month of prying and prodding did I make my first direct daytime approach. ONE MONTH FULLTIME. Beta dies hard and it's back to step one as soon as you stop approaching. I remember making 5 approaches a day at the mall for a few weeks. In the beginning it took me 2-4 hours each time to complete. Not because of the lack of girls, but the lack of balls. I would peel off as soon as I came close to opening my mouth. It got so bad that I started texting myself encouraging texts and trying to counter my thoughts. Eventually it took about an hour to complete the approaches.
Some people have more barriers than others especially in terms of belief. Even after accepting my deficiency, it took hand holding and constant discussions to be convinced to make an approach. In other words, it took a couple of months for me to even ENTER the game.
As an aside, it helps if you take 5 20s from your friend and give him an allotted amount of time to complete 5 approaches (or an incentive like it). If he doesn't by the end of it, rip them up in front of his face. This really worked for me to start approaching b/c apparently I valued money over bitches
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11-12-2012, 08:30 PM
I'm sure others can relate to the following...
I tried to explain to my friend today who is into monogamy and love how a life of plurality of women can be beneficial. I explained to him how men are attracted to looks/beauty and women are attracted to confidence/leadership. He told me that what I was saying was shallow. I corrected him explaining that it was human nature. He still insisted it was shallow. I said, "No, it's only shallow in the feminist's perspective of the world." He agreed.
It frustrates me that although this guy is not particularly good looking, I know he can do better than what he is currently falling back on. I said it would take work to get a life of hot women, but it would be worth it. He admitted his problem: he claimed he didn't want to work, simply wanted to fall back on what was easiest.
I thought of Roosh's quote: "Nothing worth doing is ever easy."
"I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
~Michael Jordan
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11-12-2012, 09:00 PM
I remember a post a while back addressing this and why it is pointless to try to give the red pill away. a person will either ask for it or will never end up swallowing it.
I can kinda see what is going on though, I am normally on my death bed before I Start taking any medication for my symptoms. Some people are just stubborn I guess.
I find the opposite to what you are experiencing. I have very few people I can talk to that can relate to the red pill views on women, life, and marriage.
It would be offensive to explain to my married friends that I believe it is a false institution designed to reward post-cock-carousel hamsters and trap beta minded men.
The same friends who questioned me as to why I wouldn't carry a girls luggage from the lobby f a hotel to our car, when it was two lightweight bags that she was perfectly capable of handling themselves, and I had my own bags and was about to make two trips just to redefine chivalry.
The same friends that question my loyalty when I explain my plans to start, grow, and sell businesses so that I can leave the USA and finance traveling to "scrubby third world countries"
I could keep going, but I'm not one to preach to the choir.
God'll prolly have me on some real strict shit
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11-12-2012, 09:05 PM
I wonder how many of us here could try to fake the blue pill and still succeed purely on charisma alone.
Go ahead, buy a woman flowers. Tell her you love her. Help her move. Pay her rent.
I bet you'd still get laid, just not as often, just because of the addictive pleasure that charisma brings to a woman.
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11-13-2012, 02:52 AM
@el mech- When I saw that shirt I actually gagged a little. He's basically handed over his balls on a silver platter to a girl he barely knows. It's appalling how some guys will stoop so low for female attention.
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11-13-2012, 11:14 AM
whatever your idea--
1) Few people will listen
out of those few
2) Few will understand
out of those few
3) Few will act on that understanding ( acting is needed to change)
out of those few
4) Few will have the innate talent to learn what they want to learn.
This is why there are so few concert violinists in the world. Or anyone who is good at anything. They either lack talent, or are never steered to the area of their talent.
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11-13-2012, 11:38 AM
el mech given the kind of lifestyle you live (endless stream of pussy), it boggles my mind that your friends do not want your help and advice and would rather just enslave themselves to some mediocre broad.
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11-13-2012, 12:02 PM
@ el mech, have you tried showing examples of "homebody's" you've banged?
That worked on one of my buddies when he found out the girl was engaged and went to church every week. He pretty much had a mini white knight seizure on the spot.
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11-13-2012, 02:05 PM
Quote: (11-13-2012 01:15 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
That is cannot be saved territory IMHO. If you can watch a church goer enjoy being choked in bed and ask for sex frequently without realizing there may be something to game you should just chalk that up to a lost cause. No one can out-teach stupidity.
I don't understand what church has to do with anything
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11-13-2012, 02:07 PM
I was never blue pill except somewhat in HS with a steady GF then. Since the only thing that put game on hold for me is getting my finances in order.
Not that I was of absolute red-pill mind-set until the last 2 years, unfortunately wasting much of my 20's and early 30's with mediocre results.
After chewing the red-pill, a close friend of mine all through my early life just pulled some serious b.s. on me and ended the friendship. Earlier this year I had about 5 different girls I was tending to, and when I started to get more regular with the one I've been seeing the most of - ironically a friend of his wife's - the asshole and his wife tried ratting me out on about half of my conquests (only the ones they knew about).
He was soooo beta, jealous, whatever (his wife wants me bad), I had to end the relationship because he went so far as to try to end mine with this girl I've been seein. Unbelievable ~
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11-13-2012, 02:13 PM
The older I get, the bigger the divergence between winners and losers become.
I think about when I was younger, it was pretty difficult to see who was a winner or a loser. Now, the people I looked at as successful are living pretty shitty lives. Out of shape, broke, not getting laid, fat girlfriend/boyfriend.
There comes a time when your friends are no longer your friends because its obvious they've thrown away their lives and have zero ability to turn things around. Its not your job to lead them around on a leash.
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11-13-2012, 02:34 PM
Quote: (11-13-2012 02:13 PM)babelfish669 Wrote:
The older I get, the bigger the divergence between winners and losers become.
I think about when I was younger, it was pretty difficult to see who was a winner or a loser. Now, the people I looked at as successful are living pretty shitty lives. Out of shape, broke, not getting laid, fat girlfriend/boyfriend.
There comes a time when your friends are no longer your friends because its obvious they've thrown away their lives and have zero ability to turn things around. Its not your job to lead them around on a leash.
I don't look at it quite that way (seems a little negative to me since not everyone has the same goals in life) but more that its hard to stay friends with people who aren't willing to grow their lives when you are trying to do so.
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I agree. Without you there to supervise your friend on this first trip how do you know he will keep his word?