[MikeCF]

(11-07-2012 05:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

It also becomes a more serious issue when the integrity of the data being shared is questioned by a lot of people.

If what G says is true, that makes sense, since he runs in higher circles and has access to places most guys don't.

I took a guy from this forum to my spot in L.A. "Every girl is wearing heels. WTF. Wow. Why did I never hear of this place!?"

Meanwhile there are guys saying there are no places to find girls in heels in L.A. or places with good ratios.

Those guys would say I am lying.

After being "called out" about it not being possible to live in L.A. without a car (when I in fact did live in L.A. without a car), I don't bother posting about L.A. stuff anymore.

It's not because I'm lying. It's just I've found a few niches others haven't because I'm plugged into a few scenes most aren't.

The inclination seems to be to say that something I have lived isn't possible.

Is that true of G? Beats me.

I do know that everything he posted about the West Side, Vegas, San Diego, and San Francisco were true to my experience.

A buddy of mine fucked the girlfriend of that fitness model guys here started a thread about a while back. Those are the circles I run it.

But I'm a liar, too, according to some.

So I guess that's why I'll always have a soft spot for G.

[Fujiwara]

(11-07-2012 05:36 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I'm gonna pour some out for G

I assume that's a bottle of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar.

Like MikeCF, I find that G's writings about South Beach are telling of someone who has explored it on foot quite a bit.

It'd be pretty weesh if he were banned.

[Kickb]

Boo

[goodguy1867]

(11-07-2012 05:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Here's an example: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17111-...#pid303004

The last two lines there is snark that you'd read on Jezebel, not an attitude I want to be here. G is free to start a forum where that's how he talks to people, but this forum wouldn't be what it has become if that's the prevailing attitude.

I like his reply. Toronto is a shit-hole and people living there, who annoy everyone else in the rest of Canada, need to accept it. Montreal is better for women. Vancouver better still. But a city like LA tops them all.

[MikeCF]

(11-07-2012 05:46 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Do you think I'm going to stake $20K on advice on a country? No. I need real data.

You like to throw about numbers all the time, like you're a big baller. You also like to talk about fighting and law-breaking.

You could post a screen cap of your brokerage account or bank statements or rap sheet.

Which is the equivalent of demanding that G meet you in real life.

Yet you've never done that, have you?

[j r]

It's interesting that G is such a lightening rod. A lot of people seem to be either in his corner or out for his blood. There's a lesson here somewhere.

[WestCoast]

(11-07-2012 06:05 PM)j r Wrote:  

It's interesting that G is such a lightening rod. A lot of people seem to be either in his corner or out for his blood. There's a lesson here somewhere.

Success breeds success. Lesson learned. You don't get ahead taking advice from the poor. You don't get connecting hanging out at the strip mall.

Cover your identity as well, you can see all the hate eventually blows up.

[Merenguero]

(11-07-2012 06:00 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

Like MikeCF, I find that G's writings about South Beach are telling of someone who has explored it on foot quite a bit.

It'd be pretty weesh if he were banned.

I found his New York information to be incredibly accurate, maybe even more accurate than his South Beach data. One night, I started early, about 5:00 P.M. and took a complete G Manifesto tour through lower Manhattan. I moved fast and I believe I went to every restaurant, bar, and nightclub which he mentioned. I kept at it until 4:00 A.M. If a particular place was dead or I didn't like the vibe there, I got out of there and moved on to the next one. I could tell that the New York information was definitely produced by a person who knows what he is talking about.

[Parlay44]

Ehh I like him. You either get his vibe or you don't. I don't think he cares either way.
That's what appeals to me. I'm pro G.

[MikeCF]

(11-07-2012 06:09 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I found his New York information to be incredibly accurate, maybe even more accurate than his South Beach data. One night, I started early, about 5:00 P.M. and took a complete G Manifesto tour through lower Manhattan. I moved fast and I believe I went to every restaurant, bar, and nightclub which he mentioned. I kept at it until 4:00 A.M. If a particular place was dead or I didn't like the vibe there, I got out of there and moved on to the next one. I could tell that the New York information was definitely produced by a person who knows what he is talking about.

Yup. The keys go the G's kingdom are money and hustle. You need to hit up a lot of places (hustle) and that may mean buying a drink each time (money) and you'll be taking cabs (money).

Guys want to his one bar, do nothing else, and say it sucks.

But that's not G's philosophy. He always talks about moving fast.

If I'm going out to meet women (v. just kicking it with my friends), it's not uncommon to hit 11 different spots.

I would even say, "Start here, then go here, then try this place, and if that sucks, go here."

So you can't go to one spot I suggest and then say an entire city sucks.

You gotta move your ass.

[el mechanico]

He said himself the G Manifesto is a business. On one thread he stated that he would never have a facebook page but had two in his signature but those aren't him. Ok then who are they?

What that means is it's a fictional character here for gain so spreading copy paste travel data is just another day at the office.

Otherwise I like his bickering here it's very entertaining but so was Dash who would tell people to head to the barrios in cities he's never been to. But a newb who is in that city sees rep and post count and would assume he might know what he's talking about.

By the way I can make a data sheet on any place on earth with a little google time and a phone call or two and it wont disappoint.

[Roosh]

Quote:

If what G says is true, that makes sense, since he runs in higher circles and has access to places most guys don't.

Then I guess we should be grateful that he takes the time to talk to us mere commoners.

When I meet guys from this forum, I see them as my equal. The minute that stops happening, why continue the forum? Maybe there are other sites he can post where guys are on his level. If I can be humble to a guy who's a virgin, then G can get along with the guys here.

[MikeCF]

(11-07-2012 06:11 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Ehh I like him. You either get his vibe or you don't. I don't think he cares either way.
That's what appeals to me. I'm pro G.

"The People's Champ" doesn't need me white knighting for him. He'll be just fine.

I am concerned with the forum.

Right now I am top tier.

I don't like that at all.

I need guys here who are better than me. If no one is better than me, how will I grow?

G is one of the few guys I've learned from. Some stuff he showed was new. And some was stuff I had discovered on my own, forgotten, and then re-introduced (with great success).

Guys coming up learn from me and I learn from guys better than me. We all get better.

Once you let the weak drive away the strong, what will be left?

[Diomedes]

Would anyone who PM'd Roosh be willing to give a public explanation of their problems with G?

I am voting in support of G. From reading his posts and an occasional glance at his blog, he seems a very content and happy man who is living the EXACT life that he chooses and is very keen on sharing any wisdom that may help others in pursuing their goals. A man like this should be welcome with open arms anywhere.

"Many Enemies Bring Much Honour" - This is something I am sure G holds dear and is something we should all remember. If someone is ruffling feathers it is likely because they are doing something right.

(11-07-2012 05:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

It also becomes a more serious issue when the integrity of the data being shared is questioned by a lot of people.

Roosh, would you provide info on what people are listing as inaccuracies? I've heard the rumours of him being a fake, but I'm of the belief that it'd be harder to fake the whole deal than to live it. And we have so many traveled people on here that if his data was rubbish it'd have been exposed long before now. Of course, I am always keen on having my perceptions shattered.

[Diomedes]

(11-07-2012 06:00 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

I assume that's a bottle of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar

x 100 rep for dat nigga.

[MikeCF]

(11-07-2012 06:16 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

If what G says is true, that makes sense, since he runs in higher circles and has access to places most guys don't.

Then I guess we should be grateful that he takes the time to talk to us mere commoners.

When I meet guys from this forum, I see them as my equal. The minute that stops happening, why continue the forum? Maybe there are other sites he can post where guys are on his level. If I can be humble to a guy who's a virgin, then G can get along with the guys here.

Some guys are better than you, some are better than me, some are worse. That's just a law of nature.

I have personally always surrounded myself with my superiors because it has always made me better.

Then I "pay it forward" by helping out guys who are my inferiors.

I have no problem saying some guys are my inferiors. Doesn't mean I treat them like trash. It just means I'm more successful in some areas of life than they are, and that if they pay attention, they can get better.

If I had hung with my equals, I'd still be broke and view meeting women as a matter of luck.

Instead I sought out people who were better than me, and now my life is something that as a child I never imagined it could be.

[Laner]

Quote:

I took a guy from this forum to my spot in L.A. "Every girl is wearing heels. WTF. Wow. Why did I never hear of this place!?"

Meanwhile there are guys saying there are no places to find girls in heels in L.A. or places with good ratios.

Those guys would say I am lying.

Quote:

It's not because I'm lying. It's just I've found a few niches others haven't because I'm plugged into a few scenes most aren't.

The inclination seems to be to say that something I have lived isn't possible.

I agree with Mike. Some people come to the forum to have a community of like minded thoughts tossed about in a safe environment.

Others come here for the best city data around. Most come for both. I fall more toward the city data and I have yet to be let down by G. I have always had solid intel from this forum in general, as well. Sure, some places I have been sent are certainly not my scene, but I would never hold that against someone. How could they ever know "who I am".

After a while on here I know who I can trust to give solid intel that suits my lifestyle and also those who enjoy the same way of thinking as I do. As for others, time, experience and boots on the ground will say which is right for me.

It crazy to get worked up over a post on a forum. Arguing a few times back and forth is fine but letting something degenerate into drama carried out through the course of days......hell even months is pretty sad.

If someone doesnt like something click away. Maybe take a break from the forum because that person is obviously not getting out of this forum what it was meant for.

[BurnFirst]

I'm guessing it was butthurt republicans in the election thread whining to Roosh.

[FretDancer]

So, is the G gonna chime in on this one?

[TheBulldozer]

I think G is entertaining as hell. I've learned a great deal from him, and while there is certainly some embellishment, I appreciate his directness.

The fact that this thread is blowing up is a testament to the quality he brings to the forum, in one way or another.

We're all different in one way or another, and when my life calls me to 'G' up my life, he's certainly provided tips. Additionally, his directness and demand for answers is something I think we can all make use of in our lives. I've only seen him talk down to people when he suspects them of being computer cowboys, and not actually living the life they claim to be living. Hell, for all I know he's a computer cowboy himself.

Roosh, I'm surprised that you view all as equals here. I suppose as king it's out of obligation, but there are certainly members I pay no attention to that have a reputation here, whereas I pay close attention to some noobs because I know the knowledge they drop is very real.

As Mike says, I think it's important to not look at everyone as an equal. It keeps me hungry when I see other dudes here pushing buttons I never have, and it pushes me to post quality when I see other brothers here making use of the information I've put up here.

[rationalize_this]

A number of things are being said here by senior members and of course, Roosh, and I think they need to be addressed.

1) The "G" persona is a fake.
I know G gets a lot of slack for posting things that most average people simply can't relate to. The lifestyle he lives, and the experiences he has seem to be from another world.

The truth is, its really not that exaggerated. We've all had at least ONE of those nights where everything falls into place, you're running sick game, drinks are flowing, and you pull a dime piece. Now extrapolate that to a guy with unlimited resources, good looks, and smooth game. That's his every night! Its not that hard to believe! Social Circle is very powerful, and we all know how important who you know in this world is. I've experienced it. I'm not your "average guy", but I've been to some of the most exclusive clubs, surrounded by models, and some people don't believe my stories/notches either until I provide photo evidence. Even my own brother doesn't believe it until he rolls with me some nights!

2) The "G" is damaging to the forum:
Based upon my experiences, the circles I've run in, and the places I've been, all of G's data pretty much matches up with what I've had to figure out "the hard way". I can see how the players out in rural areas or places that aren't centers for talent simply can't relate to some of the concepts and techniques that are discussed. This has been addressed at length and is why this forum is so valuable. REGIONAL DIFFERENCES. Further, The data I've contributed to this forum he has paralleled, if not complimented, and it has taken me months if not YEARS to accumulate.

3) G's "slapping" forum members around
While maybe G does have a tone of condescension in his writing, wouldn't you if you are constantly being attacked for being "fake" or to "reveal your identity"? And if you're seriously butthurt enough to complain to a moderator about what someone said on an INTERNET FORUM, how can you possible expect to deal with a girl's attitude or shit test in real life? Have a whiskey and put some hair on your chest or go complain on jezebel. Half the entertainment value on this forum is the personalities. The forum wouldn't be what it is without the el mechs, ali-b's, IRT, G etc.

4) G doesn't have to meet anyone:
I can relate to this to and I'm sure others can as well. I don't feel I have to prove myself to anyone, and my advice on here should speak for itself. But I'm working on it and have been in contact with some members about a meetup here in SoFL. Here I do side with Roosh. Senior members who Roosh has met should have a say in what's reliable and whats not. That being said, I haven't found any of his info on NYC or Miami unreliable.

[MikeCF]

This'll be my last post, because it's illustrative.

A guy posted he was going to a city.

I told him, "I'll put you in touch with my friends."

He turned it down. He wanted to only run "hard game" and figured my crew would slow his roll.

Went out gamin on his own, struck out miserably.

Then he talked shit on on the city, saying, It's a "social circle" city and that tourists can't get laid.

No shit. That's why I offered to introduce him to my friends.

The city he said sucked is actually great. But if you don't know what you're doing or just try to cold approach, it sucks.

So did I lie about the city? Or did someone just go about it wrong?

I'll bet if you asked him, he'd say I was exaggerating or mistaken.

And that's all I have to say about this topic.

[Moma]

MikeCF, the whole thing on G was authenticity of data. I was under the impression that this is a factual forum not a fictional one.

We can all crack jokes and post up this and that but the travel forum is supposed to be factual. Data sheets are supposed to be done by a person travelling. What's the use of me writing a data sheet that I extracted from someone else?

Newbs will want to be able to travel somewhere and gain an ACCURATE idea of how to go by it based on the data sheet they read.

Remember, this is the same shyt that Dash got booted for...

[Cooze Hound]

I have lurked this blog/forum for two years before posting. I read G's blog. Never posted. Do I think G is real? Possibly. Have seen any real hardcore proof? No. Maybe others have? He's an interesting character wether fictitious or not. I for one will miss his 90's verbiage. I guess I will see him over at the Naughty Nomad forum with the rest of the outcasts.

Cooze

[WesternCancer]

(11-07-2012 06:38 PM)Moma Wrote:  

MikeCF, the whole thing on G was authenticity of data. I was under the impression that this is a factual forum not a fictional one.

We can all crack jokes and post up this and that but the travel forum is supposed to be factual. Data sheets are supposed to be done by a person travelling. What's the use of me writing a data sheet that I extracted from someone else?

Newbs will want to be able to travel somewhere and gain an ACCURATE idea of how to go by it based on the data sheet they read.

Remember, this is the same shyt that Dash got booted for...

How are we expected to believe any data is legit unless someone tests it out or they post verifiable pictures? Data can be bias towards a certain lifestyle. I posted a Vancouver data sheet a little bit after getting here, had some definitely solid spots, but as Laner noted it was bias towards someone my age and I definitely haven't spent enough time really searching out all of the venues.

"Gastown is by far the most underated hood in Vancouver. No other place in the city can touch it. You just need to know where to go. Some places do not even "advertise". A lot of places have hidden rooms. One even allows smoking... perhaps you are young, but overlooking Coal Harbour, Gastown, Yaletown are some major holes."