[RougeNoir]

What evidence is there that Gmanifesto is fabricating data? Because he does not want to meet anyone? Because he does not post pictures?

He's a top 3 poster on here.

We can't let weesh members get what they want.

This forum is an exchange of data, entertainment, and brotherhood even if that was not the intent of this forum. Having Gmanifesto leave would be a mistake even if he's fictitious.

[presidentcarter]

I view the forum as an open market where you give and take as you please. No need to be critical unless someone is posting inaccurate data that you can refute. Offer advice, data, ideas, observations and take the same as you want.

Regarding G...I really liked his style, never struck me as offensive, but then again I applied the "this is just how this guy talks" filter to everything I read from him. People need to learn how to do that more often. Stop bitching and just move along.

[painter]

The forum has rules designed to keep things civil so that this is a place to share knowledge, not personally attack each other except in the case of blatant trolling. It's not scientific, especially for established members who drop serious information. Roosh has a tough role moderating the forum in that respect. A guy like G, with his reputation, can openly mock and belittle other members who stick to the forum rules and refrain from personally attacking him back because they don't want to get banned. Personally I think he fits the Big Baller Troll profile but he's usually good for a few laughs and breaking the rules is genuinely in his character. This thread wouldn't even be here if he weren't taking advantage of his status.

That being said, whining to Roosh directly is a bitch move, he's got better stuff to do than babysit the forum. Ignore what pisses you off, swallow your pride, or retaliate and hope you don't get banned are the logical choices. Read the forum rules, check your ego at the door and realize that some members are forum pets who can get away with more than others.

[soup]

There's a lot of valuable shit that comes out of the interactions on this forum. It's not just the data. The way that other guys comment and post can sometimes reflect a personality or attitude that can help peoples' game more than just data on it's own.

The interactivity here is what makes the forum so much better than just reading a blog or book.

I don't know G, I like some of his posts (even though he gets hyped up around here a lot), and aside from any kind of erroneous data, I don't understand what the problem is with his posting style.

I think it's good for some guys to get a "slapdown" if it helps them become stronger in the long run and if it's not mean spirited. It's not even that they are getting slapped down- it's bad ideas or ways of thinking that need to die if the player is going to mature. People might be complaining because his style grates against their frame.

[el mechanico]

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[durangotang]

The back and forth over hookers ruined the recent Spain thread. I almost commented about it in the thread, but figured fuck it. Why bother.

I will give G the credit for the use of Data Sheets on the forum. That alone has been highly useful and helped develop the culture of the forum in a very beneficial way. His comments about the California police state are accurate. I hope he still pops in from time to time.

One smoker to another G, this cigarette is for you.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

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[WestCoast]

Ha shit.

You should be banned for pm'ing Roosh in the first place to complain. Get real.

Internet man hurt my feelings I can feel my vagina tingling.

One last time and I give up, put him on ignore?

There is high value in seeing how people type in quick responses. This is why he should not be banned. Blogs are not the same as rapid responses.

The fact mike got heat for his "tone" is hilarious, one of the nicest guys I've ever met. I'm not scared to pm guys who come off as hard because I don't care about my feelings, if someone turns out to be whack I'll leave or sleep in a gutter, who cares.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

I guess Gmanifesto's commentary in the presidential thread pushed some people over the edge lol

[ManAbout]

In the Spain thread, I found his attitude towards Vorkuta and Chochemonger, two well respected members, who have contributed immensely to this board, downright rude and disrespectful.

(11-02-2012 04:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

A better question is why were all you guys hanging out at truck stops and industrial parks known for shemales?

He kept accusing them of hanging out at truck stops and frequenting shemale prostitutes, just because he disagreed with them. Earlier, before his hiatus, he tore into Aliblahba and ridiculed him for his DR reports. Ali is down there doing his stuff and giving us valuable info, inviting us to to come and join him. Does he deserve G's derision? Then there's the whole Toronto thread where he insulted half a dozen of us. Maybe that's just G's style.

Roosh is trying to create an atmosphere of mutual respect on the board. G is challenging Roosh's authority and trying to set his own tone for the board.

[AntiTrace]

People actually PM roosh if a member makes them mad? Haha that's classic. Is that beta?

Haters gonna hate. Keep it classy.

[speakeasy]

Too bad. Like Mixx, I thought he brought a lot of color to the forum. Even if some of the stuff they say can sound questionable. I guess the controversy is the price you pay for their flamboyance.

[Kaizen]

Tough Call.

I have to say G's posts here are the most entertaining. Always look forward to them more than anyone else. I think there's enough smoke to them there has to be fire behind it. Lot of detailed info.

Interesting Roosh gave a link to the recent Toronto thread as I felt myself G was being quite antagonistic there ('have a nice winter') in a way I haven't seen before. Any TO player (I think there's many here) will be annoyed by that as I was. Despite Roosh confirming attitudes are horrible in the city and confirming what we all know, its annoying to have someone big up a random weekend which occurred god knows when.

The good still outweighs the bad for me personally. But it would even be better if G could be slightly more respectful to members who may spend as much time on here without rep points etc. Its immature to bully based on your high rep count a la Mixx. Then he would only be a positive without a negative.

[Parlay44]

(11-07-2012 08:28 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

People actually PM roosh if a member makes them mad? Haha that's classic. Is that beta?

Haters gonna hate. Keep it classy.

Mixx did that a lot from what I hear.

[Neo]

I never thought an online forum for men could breed so much drama. I'm on here to share/learn lifestyle and game tips, nothing else. We should leave the bickering and hating on other members behind. I really don't understand how any guys on here can take things so personally. I like this forum because we can exchange ideas and learn from each other. I've read threads where I disagreed with guys, and I'm sure others's have disagreed with me, but I'm not going to get involved in online arguments. I've gained a decent amount of knowledge from Gs posts.

[Nineteen84]

(11-07-2012 08:09 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

I guess Gmanifesto's commentary in the presidential thread pushed some people over the edge lol

Yeah he was baiting repeatedly in that thread and not being subtle about it. I'm glad the election discussion was herded into one thread as people will always get emotional about politics. Here's to G's contributions though. :beer:

[freshcream]

This is the result of a really good forum. Even members with thousands of posts might need to be checked.

I'd hate to see him go though.

[painter]

(11-07-2012 08:57 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 08:09 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

I guess Gmanifesto's commentary in the presidential thread pushed some people over the edge lol

Yeah he was baiting repeatedly in that thread and not being subtle about it. I'm glad the election discussion was herded into one thread as people will aPplways get emotional about politics. Here's to G's contributions though. :beer:

There and other threads, he's been blatantly trolling and definitely not like the G of past. Hopefully he's just burned out and a little vacation from his problems will sort everything out. I said he fit the Big Baller Troll profile before but that's not quite it. He's a big baller who is trolling and it's upsetting to see a guy you look up to act like that. It may just be a big inside joke for him, but then that's the essence of trolling.

[cat_a_clysm]

I can't believe this kind of drama exists on this forum. LOL

[OldRich]

Before some of you guys criticize Roosh over his decisions, I'll ask you this. Have you ever ran a forum as active as this?

I've run multiple forums in the past and situations like this happens almost every time when a forum aged. The senior forum members tend to develop an entitlement mentality (not all) thinking everyone is below them except other senior members (ones that they are friends with) and over time developed into this exclusive club of elitist. In extreme cases where they are given certain power such as being a mod, they will hold the forum hostages and demanding the owner to bend to their request using their "data" or contribution as their weapon of choice.

In the end regardless of any personal feelings. This is Roosh forum, his authority and his rules. I don't care who you are but if you ignore the owner's request then it doesn't matter who you are. It is indefensible.

[Divorco]

(11-07-2012 05:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

integrity of the data being shared is questioned by a lot of people.

(11-07-2012 06:56 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Having Gmanifesto leave would be a mistake even if he's fictitious.

(11-07-2012 05:33 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The data on this forum needs to stay accurate. The G wasn't.

(11-07-2012 05:52 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

If what G says is true, that makes sense, since he runs in higher circles and has access to places most guys don't.

How many members simply don't care whether Gmanifesto is real? Is it okay if he posts fake/plagiarized data sheets? What if he has a boring cubicle job and bangs only two ugly amateurs per year?

[Parlay44]

Real or not we should all strive to live the lifestyle he portrays.

[alphaspiraton]

I'm going to chime in here before Roosh closes the thread.

I love G's writing. However when he says that he's killed it in some city and then you ask him which clubs/bars/lounges, all of a sudden he has a memory trip and quotes other posts for the experience. And I'm referring to posts in the past year. You have to provide some sort of examples of real life experienceS so guys on this forum can relate to. Otherwise don't just say you "killed it" in a particular city without anything to back that up.

On a side note I went to Ottawa this past weekend and had an absolute fucking blast. I haven't written any data sheets in the past but I can do that this weekend when I have some time if anyone is interested. Toronto is not the typical younger brother to NYC as some guys see on this forum, as portrayed by the G, AND PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM NEED TO KNOW THIS BEFORE THEY MAKE A TRIP TO TORONTO.

Sorry for any grammar errors as I'm writing from my phone.

Disclosure: i never launched any complaint about the G

[WestCoast]

Update. Ignore feature works, however it allows you to show the post, kind of like wanting to watch a car wreck. I almost want to un-hide the post knowing that the dude is whack... Tough call.

Oh well guess as a final comment, its probably best to ban the top tier people because that brings the average down... thats where I want to be ... Average. #rather have aids.

[j r]

Yeah, I always thought the one thing that would make G more relatable was a few stories about times that he didn't swoop the flyest girl in the place.