[theIVth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgK77f2rssY

I cant post links, but Tariq Nasheed made me a fan of his with his response to a similar ABC special that covered a topic similar to this. check that link out

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-10-2012 05:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

White men are right behind them in this plight, with similar problems when it comes to dating.

I've always wondered if it was any better with my white brethren.

As a dude of any color, either you can't pull consistently, or when you do pull a chick, she comes with a mountain of baggage and requirements.

WIA

[Kaizen]

Just listen to that feminine brasileira at 43:00....beautiful

makes a man want to get a one way ticket to brazil

[LoveBug]

Well I just think its a part of every man genetically to be drawn to the places where he has the most/best selection of mates. If I have the choice between the competitive American dating scene where women are valued, or parts of SEA, Latin America, Eastern Europe where the higher value is further tilted towards me, I will choose the latter. If the brothers in this video find that they have a higher value in Brazil, and that they are able to attain pussy more readily, and that Brazilian women care more for their relationships than its all good

[bacon]

(10-11-2012 02:25 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgK77f2rssY

I cant post links, but Tariq Nasheed made me a fan of his with his response to a similar ABC special that covered a topic similar to this. check that link out

that guy is pretty classic made me a fan too

[Anon-A-Moose]

Quote:

Stop getting pregnant by hoodlums. Stop being single Moms. Quit being materialistic. Quit thinking your silly ass degree or advanced degree in nonsense makes you special. Start looking at the black males in your community that, even though they might makes less, would still make good fathers, husbands.

Essentially, that priest was saying quit being entitled bitches and think of someone else besides your ridiculous selves for once.

This is the message that needs to be sent to the female black community. It's part of a much larger issue than game though.

Decent black men reject the 80+% of black women because they're angry fat entitled hippos; it's nothing to do with race.

[OGNorCal707]

I skimmed through the documentary, I guess I'm not as interested as I'm not a "brotha", but was kind of hoping to see more shots of Brazil and the women, instead of a bunch of dudes talking the whole time. I kind of wonder if the groups of guys interviewed hanging out were more about the p4p scene or about picking up women through game? I know a lot of black American dudes love to rave about Brazil, but how many of them are simply going to the termas vs. guys that have game, learn the language, approach like a beast, etc. Personally, I am not against p4p like a lot of guys on the forum, although I feel that it is more gratifying and important to pull through game, I am not opposed to p4p as a back up if I strike out.

As far as black women in America goes, I guess I am kind of biased because I am naturally less attracted to black women compared to other ethnic backgrounds, however a hot woman is a hot woman, I am DTF whether Sengalese, El Salvadoran, Eskimo, or whatever. That said, I think black American women typically are not very attractive, they tend to be overweight, and just don't take very good care of their health. Obviously, if they were less obese that would make them more attractive. But, on top of that they often have a shit ton of other issues, not very well educated, had kids at a young age, etc., etc. etc.

Black women in Brazil are 10X hotter than in the U.S., shit I'd love to sex me up some black Brazilian women. The only black chick I have banged was a Brazilian woman from Sao Paulo, she was definitely mixed with Native Brazilian Indian, and "mestizo", but would be considered black for sure in the U.S. Great tight body, big, round, firm tits, popping tight ass, amazing pussy... Unfortunately very few black women in the U.S. can compare....

[R Smoov]

See black women are too mean for me.

I'm taking my black ass on a plane to Brazil.

[PhilE]

(10-11-2012 03:26 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 11:00 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

For white women, no matter what they make, they can probably find a man making the same or more (if she's decent looking). For black women, it's much more difficult. As one of the women in the video said, if I'm making six figures, he needs to at least be making $75k. In my circles, we've had this discussion, and that's truly how women feel. It's less about a man's intellect, and more about what he makes. If she's making $100k, she doesn't want a teacher that's making $35k, no matter how intelligent, decent and caring he is. She doesn't want to carry the financial load for a man. He could be blue collar and making more than twice that, but that guy doesn't have enough status, so he doesn't make the cut either. He's got to match her degrees, and come somewhat close on salary or he doesn't get a shot. They've painted themselves into that particular corner, and then bitch about there not being enough men.

The numbers are very stark when it comes to education:

-68% of associate's degrees earned by blacks are earned by black women.
-65.9% of black bachelor's degree recipients are black women.
-71% of black master's degrees are earned by black women.
-65% of doctors/professional degrees (Ph.D, Ed.D, M.D., J.D., etc) earned by blacks are earned by black women.
-As if this wasn't enough, black women graduate from high school at a much higher rate than do black men.

At every level of higher education (plus high school), black women are doing better than black men. Degreed Black women at all levels of higher education outnumber their male counterparts by a factor of at least two to one. Once you account for the homosexuals (who, unlike lesbians, are disproportionately represented among educated blacks), the ratio gets even worse.

A straight black male with a degree is a very rare thing. A male who meets that qualification while also being somewhat attractive (physically or otherwise) is about as rare as hen's teeth.

Given these unfortunate realities, it isn't surprising to learn of the high rate of singlehood among black women. Given their high demands (which, I'll concede, aren't too out of line with what white/asian women look for and are more often able to find), there is simply a critical shortage of men for them.
If you're one of the few who may meet these degree/salary qualifications (and I know there are at least a handful of these guys posting on this forum), the market should be good for you.

That is because men have to do WAY more riskier things to get money....so even if its not DRUGS or something illegal MOST MEN i know are trying to start a business of some kind.

I want to see the numbers of New Business Owner millionaires men vs women
I want to see the numbers of Surgeons who happen to be black, CEO's, Millionaire Bankers, etc...from what I can tell at the highest level its still BLACK men who out duel black women...and since black men have to achieve this insane preverse amount of success to just get that black women he has to do more riskier (read non college related) ventures to become successful.

If black women dated and loved college graduating men more than they do Dope Boys (and other super alpha male rich n***as) then college would be full with black men. But look how a registered nurse treats her counterpart male, the same for a paralegal. they all seek out the Doctor or the Lawyer and look down on the man at the same level as she is.

[Timoteo]

(10-12-2012 12:20 AM)PhilE Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 03:26 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 11:00 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

For white women, no matter what they make, they can probably find a man making the same or more (if she's decent looking). For black women, it's much more difficult. As one of the women in the video said, if I'm making six figures, he needs to at least be making $75k. In my circles, we've had this discussion, and that's truly how women feel. It's less about a man's intellect, and more about what he makes. If she's making $100k, she doesn't want a teacher that's making $35k, no matter how intelligent, decent and caring he is. She doesn't want to carry the financial load for a man. He could be blue collar and making more than twice that, but that guy doesn't have enough status, so he doesn't make the cut either. He's got to match her degrees, and come somewhat close on salary or he doesn't get a shot. They've painted themselves into that particular corner, and then bitch about there not being enough men.

The numbers are very stark when it comes to education:

-68% of associate's degrees earned by blacks are earned by black women.
-65.9% of black bachelor's degree recipients are black women.
-71% of black master's degrees are earned by black women.
-65% of doctors/professional degrees (Ph.D, Ed.D, M.D., J.D., etc) earned by blacks are earned by black women.
-As if this wasn't enough, black women graduate from high school at a much higher rate than do black men.

At every level of higher education (plus high school), black women are doing better than black men. Degreed Black women at all levels of higher education outnumber their male counterparts by a factor of at least two to one. Once you account for the homosexuals (who, unlike lesbians, are disproportionately represented among educated blacks), the ratio gets even worse.

A straight black male with a degree is a very rare thing. A male who meets that qualification while also being somewhat attractive (physically or otherwise) is about as rare as hen's teeth.

Given these unfortunate realities, it isn't surprising to learn of the high rate of singlehood among black women. Given their high demands (which, I'll concede, aren't too out of line with what white/asian women look for and are more often able to find), there is simply a critical shortage of men for them.
If you're one of the few who may meet these degree/salary qualifications (and I know there are at least a handful of these guys posting on this forum), the market should be good for you.

That is because men have to do WAY more riskier things to get money....so even if its not DRUGS or something illegal MOST MEN i know are trying to start a business of some kind.

I want to see the numbers of New Business Owner millionaires men vs women
I want to see the numbers of Surgeons who happen to be black, CEO's, Millionaire Bankers, etc...from what I can tell at the highest level its still BLACK men who out duel black women...and since black men have to achieve this insane preverse amount of success to just get that black women he has to do more riskier (read non college related) ventures to become successful.

If black women dated and loved college graduating men more than they do Dope Boys (and other super alpha male rich n***as) then college would be full with black men. But look how a registered nurse treats her counterpart male, the same for a paralegal. they all seek out the Doctor or the Lawyer and look down on the man at the same level as she is.

The goal for MOST women, regardless or race, is to date/marry UP. They may fool around with a guy on or below their level until they're serious about settling down, but once that moment comes, they're looking to upgrade.

[Parlay44]

I scoff at that big black bitch saying that these foreign women are desperate and prostitutes and that's why men are
going to South America and Eastern Europe.

The other black woman also said if she's making 6 figures then a man needs to be making at least $75k to be with her
A woman disqualifying a man because he doesn't make enough money is basically her being a prostitute.

A man needs to make enough to live on. That's it. In the US I'd say that's about $45k/year for a basic lifestyle, one bedroom,
car and basic necessities.

The median household income for my state is $65k/year. That means 2 adults living together in an apartment need to bring in that
much to live and have a basic life. Anything above that is straight up gold-digging on their part.

Where's the love at ladies?

[UrbanNerd]

I have been to Brazil (Rio, Salvador & Belo Horizonte) for a combined 12 trips. I have Brazilian women as probably the sexiest women out there. While, I would (and did) bang my share....

I was not going to marry any of them.

I would hope these dudes did like I did....bust that nut and keep it moving. What is an uneducated Brazilian or Dominican chick going to do for you outside of sex? I KNOW one is not going to risk bringing her here and risk losing your finances.

Hell, if going for a serious relationship...I am going with 6-figure/master's degree chick. If that relationship goes south, I won't be taken to the cleaners. Shiiiiiii....I DISQUALIFY chicks too...based on income too.

As long as dudes "stick and move" in Brazil and Dominican Republic it is all good.

Now if you start wanting a wife in the USA or Canada....it IS a business partnership.

[UrbanNerd]

Having said all of that.....

I have banged a good deal of those "uppity" chicks because (and the video proves it), IF you are a black man with some education and good income, you will have a BALL. Plain 'ole "beta provider" works. For me, it's fun when the educated black chicks start mentioning their degrees. Usually, my B.S. Math/Computer Science and M.S. Engineering is probably twice as hard as their majors anyway so that shuts them up. On top of that, while I do not have "Ivy League" schools behind my name, I do have two well-known Big-10 schools behind my name, so that "education edge" they THOUGHT they had is gone in 30 seconds of chatting.

Then, naturally...they want to talk about job and career.

Software Engineering pretty much shuts them up. They can be a damn super manager and I probably still rake in more than them.

I also made it a point to mention my parents so that they can't get any "mamas boys" thoughts, etc. I always mention my father and my upbringing.

Next question I usually get asked was "when are you free"??

Those chicks are not that hard.

[DoctaWho]

The biggest problem for most black women is that they tend to make terrible dating decisions when they are younger and it bites them in the ass. There has been tons of research about black women in their 30s-40s who are single and feel that a quality black man is rare because many of the few that exists have chosen non black women. What these women tend to ignore is that they looked past most of these quality black men when they were in their 20s.

As a black guy I have had entire years where I have sworn off black women because of the way some of them have treated me. When I was in college most of the black women flocked to the frat guys and ball players. These guys tended to use up the chicks and discard them. Many of these same women then go on to date similar guys until they hit 30 or so and decide they want/need something more or their values change. For example, I've met black women in their late 30s who admit that when they were young they were more impressed by guys with flashy cars who recklessly spent money, but at their current age they value guys who have a history of being frugal. By this time many of them have had children and many quality black guys in their age range fall into two categories: 1)They know they are in demand so they don't settle down 2)They were smart enough not to wait and have already found someone.

Even in my early to mid twenties I found it hard to get close to some black women. Often when I would go out, it would be me in argyle and loafers and other black guys who were essentially wearing the stereotypes as snugly as skinny jeans. Guess who got the most play from most black women.

For some reason I also seem to hold black women to a higher standard, which means the slightest thing can be a deal breaker. For example, when one chick wanted to fuck to some little jon song that was ridiculously offensive to women I walked out on her.


I will say, and this is opinion, that I think if you pick the 10 hottest women of each hue that the darker ones would have the most beautiful features. I'm guessing that at least 70 of the 100 most beautiful women between 20 and 30 (based on actual physical features like size of nose in relation to face, waist to hip ratio...and not things like skin/eye/hair color) would be black or brown. If you up the age to 40+ then the number would probably shoot up to 80+ because darker women age better. The average black in America woman is not done in by a lack of beauty, but her attitude and early life dating preferences.

[Excelsior]

^

[Samseau]

DoctaWho:

What you said applies to every American girl I've met today

[speakeasy]

(10-21-2012 10:54 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  

The biggest problem for most black women is that they tend to make terrible dating decisions when they are younger and it bites them in the ass. There has been tons of research about black women in their 30s-40s who are single and feel that a quality black man is rare because many of the few that exists have chosen non black women. What these women tend to ignore is that they looked past most of these quality black men when they were in their 20s.

As a black guy I have had entire years where I have sworn off black women because of the way some of them have treated me. When I was in college most of the black women flocked to the frat guys and ball players. These guys tended to use up the chicks and discard them. Many of these same women then go on to date similar guys until they hit 30 or so and decide they want/need something more or their values change. For example, I've met black women in their late 30s who admit that when they were young they were more impressed by guys with flashy cars who recklessly spent money, but at their current age they value guys who have a history of being frugal. By this time many of them have had children and many quality black guys in their age range fall into two categories: 1)They know they are in demand so they don't settle down 2)They were smart enough not to wait and have already found someone.

Even in my early to mid twenties I found it hard to get close to some black women. Often when I would go out, it would be me in argyle and loafers and other black guys who were essentially wearing the stereotypes as snugly as skinny jeans. Guess who got the most play from most black women.

For some reason I also seem to hold black women to a higher standard, which means the slightest thing can be a deal breaker. For example, when one chick wanted to fuck to some little jon song that was ridiculously offensive to women I walked out on her.


I will say, and this is opinion, that I think if you pick the 10 hottest women of each hue that the darker ones would have the most beautiful features. I'm guessing that at least 70 of the 100 most beautiful women between 20 and 30 (based on actual physical features like size of nose in relation to face, waist to hip ratio...and not things like skin/eye/hair color) would be black or brown. If you up the age to 40+ then the number would probably shoot up to 80+ because darker women age better. The average black in America woman is not done in by a lack of beauty, but her attitude and early life dating preferences.

True. Though I disagree with the last part on beauty. I tend to prefer caramel and Mediterranean complexioned women myself. But anyway...

Black men that are "nice guys" are severely punished. Especially from high school age up through late 20s and maybe even beyond. This isn't even true for white guys nearly as much. Since so many more white women come from stable two parent affluent backgrounds, their culture makes bringing home a lowlife bad boy much less acceptable. And I think women grew up with good family backgrounds will tend to seek out more stable LTR-oriented men. Asian men are not punished at all for being too nice. It's just considered normal in that culture. I'm not sure how Latins fit in, but I think they are somewhere in between. But there's no doubt that nice black guys will have it rough when they are young. I remember the first approach I ever did. It was in 8th grade. I mustered up all my courage and let this girl know I liked her. She was pretty ghetto though. She(and her sister) basically just laughed at me and the girl said I wasn't her type. Later I saw she was into those gangsta types. This was in the era that N.W.A. was blowing up around here and girls were just crazy about those jeri-curl wearing, Raider jacket wearing dudes that looked like Easy-E.

Shit, I don't even know what most black women are about these days. I don't see them around much. I don't live in a part of town with many blacks and most places I go to there are very few black women. I'm open to them if I meet one that's cool, but by and large I don't even think about them much. They are rarely on my radar these days.

[pitt]

Truth be told - black men dont like black women,i have been saying that shit for years.

I am not sure if this is due to (white) media influence where black brothers were taught to believe that women who have lighter complexion are considered to be more attractive. All these black guys that say that the problem is not because these women are black, but because they are american, just ask them, what countries do they usually visit and what type of women do they find to be attractive. Do they usually find dark skin women to be attractive? I doubt it. Otherwise we would have more people on this forum, going to Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Bahia (not Rio) and other places where black women are found in large quantities.

People are free to have their own preferences and they should date whoever they find attractive. But lets start facing the truth and admit that the majority of black men dont find black women attractive.

[New Edition]

(10-22-2012 03:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-21-2012 10:54 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  

The biggest problem for most black women is that they tend to make terrible dating decisions when they are younger and it bites them in the ass. There has been tons of research about black women in their 30s-40s who are single and feel that a quality black man is rare because many of the few that exists have chosen non black women. What these women tend to ignore is that they looked past most of these quality black men when they were in their 20s.

As a black guy I have had entire years where I have sworn off black women because of the way some of them have treated me. When I was in college most of the black women flocked to the frat guys and ball players. These guys tended to use up the chicks and discard them. Many of these same women then go on to date similar guys until they hit 30 or so and decide they want/need something more or their values change. For example, I've met black women in their late 30s who admit that when they were young they were more impressed by guys with flashy cars who recklessly spent money, but at their current age they value guys who have a history of being frugal. By this time many of them have had children and many quality black guys in their age range fall into two categories: 1)They know they are in demand so they don't settle down 2)They were smart enough not to wait and have already found someone.

Even in my early to mid twenties I found it hard to get close to some black women. Often when I would go out, it would be me in argyle and loafers and other black guys who were essentially wearing the stereotypes as snugly as skinny jeans. Guess who got the most play from most black women.

For some reason I also seem to hold black women to a higher standard, which means the slightest thing can be a deal breaker. For example, when one chick wanted to fuck to some little jon song that was ridiculously offensive to women I walked out on her.


I will say, and this is opinion, that I think if you pick the 10 hottest women of each hue that the darker ones would have the most beautiful features. I'm guessing that at least 70 of the 100 most beautiful women between 20 and 30 (based on actual physical features like size of nose in relation to face, waist to hip ratio...and not things like skin/eye/hair color) would be black or brown. If you up the age to 40+ then the number would probably shoot up to 80+ because darker women age better. The average black in America woman is not done in by a lack of beauty, but her attitude and early life dating preferences.

True. Though I disagree with the last part on beauty. I tend to prefer caramel and Mediterranean complexioned women myself. But anyway...

Black men that are "nice guys" are severely punished. Especially from high school age up through late 20s and maybe even beyond. This isn't even true for white guys nearly as much. Since so many more white women come from stable two parent affluent backgrounds, their culture makes bringing home a lowlife bad boy much less acceptable. And I think women grew up with good family backgrounds will tend to seek out more stable LTR-oriented men. Asian men are not punished at all for being too nice. It's just considered normal in that culture. I'm not sure how Latins fit in, but I think they are somewhere in between. But there's no doubt that nice black guys will have it rough when they are young. I remember the first approach I ever did. It was in 8th grade. I mustered up all my courage and let this girl know I liked her. She was pretty ghetto though. She(and her sister) basically just laughed at me and the girl said I wasn't her type. Later I saw she was into those gangsta types. This was in the era that N.W.A. was blowing up around here and girls were just crazy about those jeri-curl wearing, Raider jacket wearing dudes that looked like Easy-E.

Shit, I don't even know what most black women are about these days. I don't see them around much. I don't live in a part of town with many blacks and most places I go to there are very few black women. I'm open to them if I meet one that's cool, but by and large I don't even think about them much. They are rarely on my radar these days.

If you don't me asking, where do you stay at speakeasy? And is it mainly white women where you at?

[Tex Pro]

(10-22-2012 09:11 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Truth be told - black men dont like black women,i have been saying that shit for years.

I am not sure if this is due to (white) media influence where black brothers were taught to believe that women who have lighter complexion are considered to be more attractive. All these black guys that say that the problem is not because these women are black, but because they are american, just ask them, what countries do they usually visit and what type of women do they find to be attractive. Do they usually find dark skin women to be attractive? I doubt it. Otherwise we would have more people on this forum, going to Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Bahia (not Rio) and other places where black women are found in large quantities.

People are free to have their own preferences and they should date whoever they find attractive. But lets start facing the truth and admit that the majority of black men dont find black women attractive.

I don't buy that black guys don't like black women. They may prefer lighter-skinned women (all else equal) but a majority of black guys still for the most part date black women.

[Samseau]

(10-22-2012 09:14 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 09:11 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Truth be told - black men dont like black women,i have been saying that shit for years.

I am not sure if this is due to (white) media influence where black brothers were taught to believe that women who have lighter complexion are considered to be more attractive. All these black guys that say that the problem is not because these women are black, but because they are american, just ask them, what countries do they usually visit and what type of women do they find to be attractive. Do they usually find dark skin women to be attractive? I doubt it. Otherwise we would have more people on this forum, going to Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Bahia (not Rio) and other places where black women are found in large quantities.

People are free to have their own preferences and they should date whoever they find attractive. But lets start facing the truth and admit that the majority of black men dont find black women attractive.

I don't buy that black guys don't like black women. They may prefer lighter-skinned women (all else equal) but a majority of black guys still for the most part date black women.

Is that because they prefer black women, or because that's all they can get?

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-22-2012 09:23 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Is that because they prefer black women, or because that's all they can get?

It's preference, a preference that goes beyond the physical.

WIA

[Moma]

(10-22-2012 09:11 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Truth be told - black men dont like black women,i have been saying that shit for years.

I am not sure if this is due to (white) media influence where black brothers were taught to believe that women who have lighter complexion are considered to be more attractive. All these black guys that say that the problem is not because these women are black, but because they are american, just ask them, what countries do they usually visit and what type of women do they find to be attractive. Do they usually find dark skin women to be attractive? I doubt it. Otherwise we would have more people on this forum, going to Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Bahia (not Rio) and other places where black women are found in large quantities.

People are free to have their own preferences and they should date whoever they find attractive. But lets start facing the truth and admit that the majority of black men dont find black women attractive.

I'm not sure if the majority of black men don't find black women attractive. I mean, I have met many black guys who are like that. The ones who are fresh from Africa have given me two main reasons.

First reason: In the African countries that they are from you see almost nothing but black people.
So when you are living abroad you don't want to have what you got growing in your backyard, you want to try something new because when you get home, your only choice will be for instance black.

Second, the ease with attaining the black women won't be the same as getting the non black factor. You lose the wow factor going to a black country and going for black women as you would going to a white country and go for white women.
It's the same way in some countries an average white guy would kill it simply on his skin attributes alone whereas someone who looks like a local would have to put in more work.

From the perspective of someone who has grown up in a non African country and is using to seeing people of different hues around, I would say that:
Getting the black woman to give it up seems to be harder especially when you remove that wow factor. Some cats don't have time to deal with all that. It's all about ROI.

In terms of the ease factor, I speak from a London perspective. Black women in America, I assume, should be a lot easier. I haven't been to Barbados and Trinidad wasn't a piece of cake for a foreigner by any means.

[dragnet]

(10-22-2012 09:11 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Truth be told - black men dont like black women,i have been saying that shit for years.

I am not sure if this is due to (white) media influence where black brothers were taught to believe that women who have lighter complexion are considered to be more attractive. All these black guys that say that the problem is not because these women are black, but because they are american, just ask them, what countries do they usually visit and what type of women do they find to be attractive. Do they usually find dark skin women to be attractive? I doubt it. Otherwise we would have more people on this forum, going to Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Bahia (not Rio) and other places where black women are found in large quantities.

People are free to have their own preferences and they should date whoever they find attractive. But lets start facing the truth and admit that the majority of black men dont find black women attractive.

Good grief, I am so sick of reading shit like this from idiots who are only seeking to reinforce their pre-existing stereotypes by not looking at the issues/figures all that closely or who think they have black people all figured out because of the Chris Rock skit they have on repeat.

Black mens' aversion toward black women has a lot less to do with dark skin and a lot more to do with their baggage, ridiculously high obesity rates, bad attitudes, etc. You add the highly racialized social hierarchy we have in this country, and it's no surprise that upper class black men would date outside of their race in higher numbers due to artificial premium placed on white women. But even upper class black men, rappers and athletes (guys who have access to attractive white women who are willing to fuck them) the majority of them still marry black women even though they date- and marry-out in much higher numbers. These guys are still competing to marry the few thin, fit black women that are still left---if there were more of them, I think they would probably marry fewer white women (although they would still fuck them as often, of course). Take a poll of the NFL/NBA---these are all high-status black men who have probably fucked a lot of white women in their day. Sure, they marry out at much higher rates than lower class blacks...but most of these guys have black wives and that's how they want it. The statistics don't lie--most people like their own, which is only natural. Black people aren't any different.

And there are plenty of black guys on the forum who've been to places where black women are found in large quantities. Part of traveling is engaging in the novelty factor and having new experiences---and going to Sweden to fuck white women is definitely a much different experience for (some) black guys than going to Jamaica. Traveling is in large part about doing something dramatically different---black men are no exception to this, as much as you'd like it to be so.

[Samseau]

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Black women in America, I assume, should be a lot easier.

You've never banged a black woman in America? What? Don't you live in America now?