Quote: (09-27-2012 05:50 PM)Wolverine Wrote:
Quote: (09-26-2012 07:04 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:
"The girls here are completely disillusioned with their country.
80% of them want out (excluding the 9s and 10s) and they dream of a future in Western Europe."
It was bullshit in 1998(crash) and i bet its more bullshit now. It seems native local males always believe thier ow nwomen want out and thats why foreigners are king there. i saw the same loca lguys thinking that back in 2000, however its maybe only like 5% at msot who consider leaving. Even the marriage agencies at the height got less than 1% of the population and it was the mothers over the age of 30.
Most females in my opinion over there love thier country and at best look at going overseas for an extended holiday or a short time job assignment. Thier real dream TBH is to make western salary in Ukraine. In the last 10 years the loyalty to country has increased fro m what I have read and heard.
Guys went to marriage agencies 10 years ag othinking same nonsense , that the girls needed rescuiing and guesswhat?it wasn't true for majority.
They liked foreighners 1. heard they have money 2. exotic and 3. various other reasons. Now 10 years later they do not think we are exotic anymore. Also even back i n the height of when chicks wanted out, majority were peasant girls from smaller cities not LUXURY Kiev or Odessa.
You also mentioned Americans arent doing s owell anymore? I am curious why? 10 years ago American was number 1, that was thier first locatio n they wanted. Simply becasue with so many Russian girls here they already had connections.I remember after sept 11 they were scared of coming here for a few months . However I never heard of Uk beating out usa. Simply more job opportunities and they heard it was easier to get gov't beenfits here. Heck my wife overheard a neighbor last night talking to another neighbor(i am in Brooklyn atm, its like being in Russia here)about how its not worth it t o work becasue of losing gov't assistant. I do see an advantage to the m moving to Europe however since they ultimately will want t o go bac k to Ukraine and its closer .Alot of girls married Turkish guys,whom, they always say they dislike, to be closer to Ukraine. i lost an old girlfriend because of that, long story. As for them wanting other white European nationalities , i woudl think it be hard. Two nationalities both talking English as a second language can be a disaster at times. They love Germans because Germans always were very generous. They the least cheap when on holiday, it impresses girls. Seriously , girls aren't looking for passports ,they are looking for the green behind it.
I just asked my wife about this topic, she said from her newspapers seems Ukrainians think Europe is falling apart and are afraid t ogo there. Sounds like a few years ag o when Bush invaded Iraq they thought USA was falling apart. it seems the last 10 years have been a swing in thier political beliefs back and forth .one day they love Ukraine ,next day they want out, then they want t o stay. i really think the OP would better game the girls by coming across romantic and as if hes not a sex tourist and i eve nhave an idea how he can move on the girl with the boyfriend.
OP YOU LISTENING? this will be daring but i know someone who won out using this approach. Basically another reason they like older Westerners was always that they have Heard we are better i n relationships and bed and that they ca n lear n from us. i mean if SEX AND THE CITY is one of thier favorite shows what that show you? Do not compete with her bf, INSTEAD let it be known that spending time wtih you is a learning experience. Without getting into specifics ,I am sure you get what LESSONS I am talking about. RussianUkrainians are less lazy than American women whe n it comes to learning studying .They are always learning something new or want to. They always want to learn things that wil make the more competitive with other women. This includes cooking, sewing dancing and sex. half of what they are reading is about how t obe a better women. if she can associate cheating as something that will benefit her, of her family or bf she might. Alot of girls wh oare normal actually do amauteur pay for pplay simply becasue its an excuse to justify it .I have known girls who justified cheating on BF's because it was for money ,presents etc. Well guess what? lessons cost also. Thier instructors do it al lthe time.
Wrong Jim. You should not base your opinions of a nations mentality on newspaper articles and heresay. You have not been here for years i believe? I dont know what the reality was 14 years ago but i know what it is now.
The reality on the ground is that a majority of these girls live on the poverty line and there are zero prospects for them. Zero. A girl with an engineering degree works behind a cosmetic counter or at the outdoor market in -20 temperatures for 2 euros an hour.
They are not desperate to get out but they do not see their long term future here either. This applies to 80% of Kiev girls. The women here view white Europeans as celebs and men from these countries should know that like Alex, they will have a much better chance than other foreigners. NOT AS GOOD AS A LOCAL GUY OR A NATIVE RUSSIAN SPEAKER but much much better than other foreigners.
That doesnt mean they will get easy sex but it does mean that men from England, Holland, Belgium, Switzerland, Germany, Austria and Scandanavia will get dates. Effortlessly. Just because of their passport.
Personally if you are not in the above category of nationalities and you dont speak Russian i would not come to Ukraine. You will be firing blanks and you will have no idea why guys in the above category are landing 5 times more dates than you are.
They view the U.S, Canada and Australia as being too far from their family and the mentality in these countries too detached from their own. They see white Europeans as sophisticated.
I'm not saying its rational but this is how they see things.
The fact that Alex got these hot dates via VK over the plethora of other Ukrainians, turks, arabs, italians, spaniards and americans that would have spammed them on a daily basis is testament to the fact that the initial attraction is solely passport driven.
Its the only thing he can offer that a Ukrainian guy cant.
I challenge any american, canadian or tanned mediteranean guy to score dates with 9s by cold contacting them via VK the way Alex did.
I guarantee you it wont happen.
you guarantee, what do you guarantee? I live in East Ukraine; midsize provincial city, past six years, approaching 7, so, I am on the ground, every fucking day, I am involved with the community, speak fairly good Russian, involved with the universities, many associates; as for me, I just dont see all these Ukraine girls beauties, wanting to travel; in the masses, to the euro countries you've mentioned, maybe there are some, but certainly not the masses, as you make it sound. where's your justifiation? what sending messages on VK, mamba, big fucking deal, I say fuck those internet dating sites, what the hell do they prove, they mean shit,
A univeristy I am closely associated with in my city, there are two very popular languages that many girls are just flocking to, and those two languages are Chinese and Turkish, these languages are very popular, and the girls who are studying these languages esp. Turkish are very very attractive and many of these girls spend their summer in Turkey and China; again, where I'm sitting, I just dont see this high regard for N/W euro, and i ve never see it since i ve been here, and it's not all that difficult for these girls to travel to N/W euro, through their univeristy, they do it all the time, big deal.
In the past I ve dated some super good looking models, from my city, who have had pics in CR mags, Poland, and well as various Ukraine mags, the countries they want to visit are Italy, France, and America, and regardless of what you euros are saying in this thread, there's no doubt America still holds greater value that anywhere in euro, American culture is hugh here, All over Ukraine American culture is seen and heard everywhere, the music, the films, the food, the latest tech gadget, the news segments, the American finacial markets, the fashion, politics. education; whatever, watch a Ukraine news channel or a Russian bussiness news, what do they talk about, what's happening in America, because that's what these people are interested in,
so continue to communicate with these girls on mamba and VK, big fucking deal, it means shit.