[thegmanifesto]

(03-25-2013 12:46 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

LA is no longer worth it because although the obesity epidemic hasn't fully hit, the girls are a lot chubbier than they used to be. Even in the past 5 years you can notice a difference.

Lots and lots of chubby undergrads.

A lot of girls are wearing those Toms shoes, too.

A girl in Toms shoes with chubby white calves is about as big of a turnoff as you can imagine.

I have noticed this too.

I went to my alma mater 2 years ago and I was not impressed at all. More like depressed.

I never understand what guys are talking about on here when they hype college girls so much. And I am sure my old college is better than 99% of US colleges.

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Oddly enough, some the hotter girls are the older ones. They go into husband hunting mode, actually go to the gym/do yoga and take care of themselves. Many 26-32 year old women have tighter bods than the undergrads.

Agreed.

Back to my earlier point, I think guys on here hype college girls so much because they live in places where the older girls just plump up.

Go to Soho, spots in LA or spots in Miami. Many times the 25-30 kick the sh*t out of the 18-24's.

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Since the state income tax is outrageous, the roads are garbage, and you can get a jay walking ticket for walking when the "don't walk" is flashing (not even joking) and now handicap parking space tickets are $750...It doesn't make much since to be here.

Agreed as well.

I got two jaywalking tickets. That was one of my last straws honestly.

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Even 2 years ago I was very So Cal. Now I'm planning my exit.

You really have to.

(03-25-2013 12:59 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I hear you. Not a day goes by when I'm not considering leaving. I'm just not sure where to go to yet. But there must be something better out there. I just wish wherever I go I can take the weather(and great Mexican food) with me. Socal in March is absolute paradise.

Learn to cook Mexican food.

And FYI, Miami Beach weather has kicked the sh*t out of Southern California weather from October to today on a daily basis. 5 months straight.

Trust me. I have been texting my friends on a daily basis making fun of them. They don't even respond anymore. I honestly think they hate me or have just resigned to not believing me.

It will be ten degrees warmer than San Diego all next week too.

The "Southern California Weather myth" is just that. A myth.

And before you ask, I bought an umbrella the first day I go here.

I haven't used it once.

(Ironically, did the same thing in Montreal; bought the first day and never used it all summer.)

And no. It's not humid. It is like a San Diego summer only better; sunny everyday instead of May Gray and June Gloom. And a crap July.

----

Side note:

This very well might be my last positive comment on the forum on Miami Beach. I have said my piece, and no need to over hype it.

[poutsara]

vegas

[iknowexactly]

(03-24-2013 06:47 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:50 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, you really have to screen extra hard for logistics in Southern California Game.

Adds a extra layer no matter how you slice it.

Never leave the West Side.

Always take cabs.

Could you clarify that a bit to outsiders?

You mean something like live, work and play west of I-5?

I'm thinking of coming to LA to produce my feature scripts.

[Basil Ransom]

Personally, my biggest beef with LA is the social cocooning, and it's getting worse if anything.

Was talking to a coworker, and I found out this guy I had worked with met a girl at work, and she was pretty cute, and the industry is a legit sausage-fest. I said to him, "see, I met this pretty cute girl a little while back. We kissed at the bar on a slow night, she was sober, and she was even demanding we go out on a date. I hit this girl up later, and I can't get a response. It's pretty typical for LA." Girls get so wrapped up in their circle that there's this huge barrier to getting beyond it. Girls who would line up to date you if they knew you socially, won't give you the time of day as a complete stranger. If you do know her, it's often super easy.

Girls here are weird - one second they'll cast about their social circle and see no decent guys and complain to their friends about how there are no dateable guys, and then she'll turn down five cool dudes at the bar. Or she'll slip one or two her number and then ignore them completely afterwards.

It's apparent in simply how rude they are. Like I got back on OKC today after a break from it for several weeks, and we'll be chatting and it's going well, and then they have to duck out to go somewhere. That's cool, let's talk again later, here's my number, etc. They think it's cute. I know I'll never hear from them again if I don't get the number. The concept of trying to follow up is completely foreign to them. They have this extremely fatalistic mindset of, "oh if it happens it happens, if his penis ends up in my vagina, it was meant to be," but they will make no effort to make it happen, when effort is required. (Yes, there are some girls that are just not into you, but that hardly explains what I'm referencing.)

Same thing at a bar - you're having a conversation with a girl, and suddenly her friend comes up and she says "Oh we're going to the other part of the bar." Sometimes she's simply not into you. Other times, it's just she's too socially retarded to invite you, she's not aware that's simply what polite people do, and unless you've invested real time, you'll likely come off as a huge chump if you follow unasked.

[iknowexactly]

(03-25-2013 01:10 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

"oh if it happens it happens, if his penis ends up in my vagina, it was meant to be," but they will make no effort to make it happen, when effort is required.

This is related to some things I've been doing with marginal women. I deliberately kind of give them the cold shoulder and make the do the work.

It's a situation where I'm only into them if they are going to make an effort and therefore be exceptional. Hasn't worked too good hahah.

I don't know if they are as fatalistic as you are inferring, or maybe they are tired of the aloof alpha act and are screening for guys who'll chase; while maintaining deniability.

I know I've always assumed any girl who actually calls me up is down to fuck, maybe they think they lose plausible deniabiity that way?

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 01:06 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And FYI, Miami Beach weather has kicked the sh*t out of Southern California weather from October to today on a daily basis. 5 months straight.

All my friends are in Miami for WMC.

I was going to join them but had a local event to attend.

I'll be scoping Miami out very soon.

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 01:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Could you clarify that a bit to outsiders?

You mean something like live, work and play west of I-5?

I'm thinking of coming to LA to produce my feature scripts.

Live near the action so you can walk out at night.

Don't go North of Montana Blvd. in Santa Monica, East of Bundy, or South of Pico.

You want to be near the Wilshire, Q's, Cabo Cantina, Busby's, or the Main Street bars (Main Street is an area where Santa Monica meets Venice) like 31 Ten, Circle, Main on Main, etc.

Of course rents are a bitch so you gotta live where you gotta live. But ideally you're within those boundaries.

[Basil Ransom]

(03-25-2013 01:23 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Could you clarify that a bit to outsiders?

You mean something like live, work and play west of I-5?

I'm thinking of coming to LA to produce my feature scripts.

Live near the action so you can walk out at night.

Don't go North of Montana Blvd. in Santa Monica, East of Bundy, or South of Pico.

You want to be near the Wilshire, Q's, Cabo Cantina, Busby's, or the Main Street bars (Main Street is an area where Santa Monica meets Venice) like 31 Ten, Circle, Main on Main, etc.

Of course rents are a bitch so you gotta live where you gotta live. But ideally you're within those boundaries.

MikeCF has a strange exclusive fixation on the Westside. The favorite spots of me and the guys I go out with are not even on the Westside. West Hollywood and Hollywood are still the party capitals of LA, the Westside is still second fiddle. If you're going to be here awhile, check out different neighborhoods. If you're going to be here only a short while, I'd recommend staying near the Sunset strip.

In WeHo/Hollywood joints, you get much more of the feeling of "these girls came out to party." On the Westside, it's more like "these girls came out to hang with their big mixed social circle." People on the Westside have more roots than people in Hollywood, and that's not much of a good thing for picking up strange girls.

[speakeasy]

(03-25-2013 01:37 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:23 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Could you clarify that a bit to outsiders?

You mean something like live, work and play west of I-5?

I'm thinking of coming to LA to produce my feature scripts.

Live near the action so you can walk out at night.

Don't go North of Montana Blvd. in Santa Monica, East of Bundy, or South of Pico.

You want to be near the Wilshire, Q's, Cabo Cantina, Busby's, or the Main Street bars (Main Street is an area where Santa Monica meets Venice) like 31 Ten, Circle, Main on Main, etc.

Of course rents are a bitch so you gotta live where you gotta live. But ideally you're within those boundaries.

MikeCF has a strange exclusive fixation on the Westside. The favorite spots of me and the guys I go out with are not even on the Westside. West Hollywood and Hollywood are still the party capitals of LA, the Westside is still second fiddle. If you're going to be here awhile, check out different neighborhoods. If you're going to be here only a short while, I'd recommend staying near the Sunset strip.

In WeHo/Hollywood joints, you get much more of the feeling of "these girls came out to party." On the Westside, it's more like "these girls came out to hang with their big mixed social circle." People on the Westside have more roots than people in Hollywood, and that's not much of a good thing for picking up strange girls.

Problem is most chics that party in Hollywood live nowhere near Hollywood. Everyone commutes into Hollywood for fun and then drives back out to the valley, Culver City, Orange County, Torrance, San Gabriel or wherever the fuck after 2am. Unless you live in Hollywood too, your logistics of a SNL are fucked. And that's not even considering pulling her away from "her girls" and the cockblock mother hen. If you ain't getting a SNL in Hollywood, it's pointless. Any numbers given out around there are useless as tits on a nun.

Btw, did anyone else think that most of Roosh's 15 hits on Toronto could apply to L.A. too?

http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-tor...ca-for-men

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 01:37 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

MikeCF has a strange exclusive fixation on the Westside. The favorite spots of me and the guys I go out with are not even on the Westside. West Hollywood and Hollywood are still the party capitals of LA, the Westside is still second fiddle. If you're going to be here awhile, check out different neighborhoods. If you're going to be here only a short while, I'd recommend staying near the Sunset strip.

In WeHo/Hollywood joints, you get much more of the feeling of "these girls came out to party." On the Westside, it's more like "these girls came out to hang with their big mixed social circle." People on the Westside have more roots than people in Hollywood, and that's not much of a good thing for picking up strange girls.

Yet you can read my many posts about LA and NEVER see me bitching.

Where as many if not most of your posts are about cock blocks, girls on OKC ignoring you, LA sucking, LA girls being stuck up, etc.

So......Maybe there is something to living on the West Side?

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 01:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Problem is most chics that party in Hollywood live nowhere near Hollywood. Everyone commutes into Hollywood for fun and then drives back out to the valley, Culver City, Orange County, Torrance, San Gabriel or wherever the fuck after 2am. Unless you live in Hollywood too, your logistics of a SNL are fucked. And that's not even considering pulling her away from "her girls" and the cockblock mother hen. If you ain't getting a SNL in Hollywood, it's pointless. Any numbers given out around there are useless as tits on a nun.

Yeah, add to that: Good luck making it home from the 110 without getting a DUI or get in a wreck.

Everyone I know either has a DUI or is once removed from a DUI. Even professional, clean-cut people are in the DUI zone.

No thanks.

People think partying is Hollywood is glamorous...except you then need to either cab it or have a designated driver - which means you're now "all in" with a group of guys who have to agree via committee. "Where do you want to go?"

You then get to swoop a girl who doesn't even live nearby.

So let's say you meet a cute chick. She's going back to your place. (Which means you get to DRIVE her home in the morning...or else she'll linger waiting for a friend. Super awkward.)

But you met her and you're a closer. Except now you're in a cab back to your crib, sobering up for 45 minutes.

Good bye momentum.

[Tex Pro]

(03-25-2013 01:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:37 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:23 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Could you clarify that a bit to outsiders?

You mean something like live, work and play west of I-5?

I'm thinking of coming to LA to produce my feature scripts.

Live near the action so you can walk out at night.

Don't go North of Montana Blvd. in Santa Monica, East of Bundy, or South of Pico.

You want to be near the Wilshire, Q's, Cabo Cantina, Busby's, or the Main Street bars (Main Street is an area where Santa Monica meets Venice) like 31 Ten, Circle, Main on Main, etc.

Of course rents are a bitch so you gotta live where you gotta live. But ideally you're within those boundaries.

MikeCF has a strange exclusive fixation on the Westside. The favorite spots of me and the guys I go out with are not even on the Westside. West Hollywood and Hollywood are still the party capitals of LA, the Westside is still second fiddle. If you're going to be here awhile, check out different neighborhoods. If you're going to be here only a short while, I'd recommend staying near the Sunset strip.

In WeHo/Hollywood joints, you get much more of the feeling of "these girls came out to party." On the Westside, it's more like "these girls came out to hang with their big mixed social circle." People on the Westside have more roots than people in Hollywood, and that's not much of a good thing for picking up strange girls.

Problem is most chics that party in Hollywood live nowhere near Hollywood. Everyone commutes into Hollywood for fun and then drives back out to the valley, Culver City, Orange County, Torrance, San Gabriel or wherever the fuck after 2am. Unless you live in Hollywood too, your logistics of a SNL are fucked. And that's not even considering pulling her away from "her girls" and the cockblock mother hen. If you ain't getting a SNL in Hollywood, it's pointless. Any numbers given out around there are useless as tits on a nun.

Btw, did anyone else think that most of Roosh's 15 hits on Toronto could apply to L.A. too?

http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-tor...ca-for-men

If I still lived in LA, I would probably live in West Hollywood and just go for SNLs and pull a Paul Janka move and drink mostly non-Alcoholic drinks all night so that I remain sober enough to drive the chick back to my place. Also, driving a chick back to her place after an SNL is a pain, but you have to do what you have to do.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-25-2013 01:54 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:37 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

MikeCF has a strange exclusive fixation on the Westside. The favorite spots of me and the guys I go out with are not even on the Westside. West Hollywood and Hollywood are still the party capitals of LA, the Westside is still second fiddle. If you're going to be here awhile, check out different neighborhoods. If you're going to be here only a short while, I'd recommend staying near the Sunset strip.

In WeHo/Hollywood joints, you get much more of the feeling of "these girls came out to party." On the Westside, it's more like "these girls came out to hang with their big mixed social circle." People on the Westside have more roots than people in Hollywood, and that's not much of a good thing for picking up strange girls.

Yet you can read my many posts about LA and NEVER see me bitching.

Where as many if not most of your posts are about cock blocks, girls on OKC ignoring you, LA sucking, LA girls being stuck up, etc.

So......Maybe there is something to living on the West Side?

[DVY]

I have maybe 1-2 vodka drinks and space it w/soda bitters and lots of smokes. Even then w/my insane alcohol tolerance (I can easily have 12+ drinks in a night) , I am borderline DUI territory.

Funny enough, I've pulled girls from clubs in Hwood, but had to drive them home the next day. Driving them back to San Gabriel valley sucks.... There goes 70-90 miles of driving costs.

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 02:16 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

If I still lived in LA, I would probably live in West Hollywood and just go for SNLs and pull a Paul Janka move and drink mostly non-Alcoholic drinks all night so that I remain sober enough to drive the chick back to my place. Also, driving a chick back to her place after an SNL is a pain, but you have to do what you have to do.

I've said elsewhere in LA threads that WeHo is highly underrated. The majority of guys there are gay. The girls who can't afford to live on the West Side live and WeHo - means lots of young cuties who are (and this is CRUCIAL) new to the city.

I am just the type who would never live somewhere just for the girls. NOT hating on guys who do. It's just not my thing.

But, yeah, living in WeHo is a super smart move for the right guy. Also, rents are cheaper...25% lower than on the West Side. Get a better pad or if on a budget, stack the rent savings into your pile of cash.

Fuel up with brunch at Joan's on Third.

Then head over to the Grove.

You'll see more beautiful women in a Saturday afternoon at Nordstrom's than flyover country guys see in a year.

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 12:19 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I have maybe 1-2 vodka drinks and space it w/soda bitters and lots of smokes. Even then w/my insane alcohol tolerance (I can easily have 12+ drinks in a night) , I am borderline DUI territory.

Funny enough, I've pulled girls from clubs in Hwood, but had to drive them home the next day. Driving them back to San Gabriel valley sucks.... There goes 70-90 miles of driving costs.

This guy gets it. People only look at gas prices. That's only part of the picture.

With gas + depreciation + insurance, driving costs around 50 cents a mile.

So however many miles you drive to Hollywood for the "glamor" is 50 cents per mile. Then driving women home. That adds $80 or so in economic costs to most guys' nights.

Then the risk of a DUI. (Those DUI machines are highly unreliable.)

Who here has had parking tickets or their car towed? Don't forget to cost factor that in.

Harassed by police? Jay walking tickets? Add all that in.

No thanks.

I'd rather live some place that allows me to walk home stumbling drunk or to easily take a cab.

There is a reason most guys in LA either have harems or end up getting with a girlfriend - even "true players."

How fucking expensive is it to run solely one night stands in LA? $250 or more per bang? That's if your game is tight. If not, there are probably guys spending $500-1,000.

Unlike a lot of guys here, I don't really do "cost per bang," and you won't see me complaining about money...BUT....

God damn that's a lot of cash.

I don't mind spending cash but I do demand value.

Is it worth it? Are you getting outstanding value for what you spend in LA?

For me the answer is no.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-25-2013 12:31 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 12:19 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I have maybe 1-2 vodka drinks and space it w/soda bitters and lots of smokes. Even then w/my insane alcohol tolerance (I can easily have 12+ drinks in a night) , I am borderline DUI territory.

Funny enough, I've pulled girls from clubs in Hwood, but had to drive them home the next day. Driving them back to San Gabriel valley sucks.... There goes 70-90 miles of driving costs.

This guy gets it. People only look at gas prices. That's only part of the picture.

With gas + depreciation + insurance, driving costs around 50 cents a mile.

So however many miles you drive to Hollywood for the "glamor" is 50 cents per mile. Then driving women home. That adds $80 or so in economic costs to most guys' nights.

Then the risk of a DUI. (Those DUI machines are highly unreliable.)

Who here has had parking tickets or their car towed? Don't forget to cost factor that in.

Harassed by police? Jay walking tickets? Add all that in.

No thanks.

I'd rather live some place that allows me to walk home stumbling drunk or to easily take a cab.

There is a reason most guys in LA either have harems or end up getting with a girlfriend - even "true players."

How fucking expensive is it to run solely one night stands in LA? $250 or more per bang? That's if your game is tight. If not, there are probably guys spending $500-1,000.

Unlike a lot of guys here, I don't really do "cost per bang," and you won't see me complaining about money...BUT....

God damn that's a lot of cash.

I don't mind spending cash but I do demand value.

Is it worth it? Are you getting outstanding value for what you spend in LA?

For me the answer is no.

And that is my problem with LA.

You have a tight plan, possibly the best for LA logistics (maybe being based around the Wildcard Gym being on par with it):

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You want to be near the Wilshire, Q's, Cabo Cantina, Busby's, or the Main Street bars (Main Street is an area where Santa Monica meets Venice) like 31 Ten, Circle, Main on Main, etc.

But even that is 5 miles from one spot to the other.

You are certainly not walking it.

There is a certain unnamed beach town in another state with 0% State income tax where all you have to go at most is two miles from one end to the other.

And there are 70,000 bars, hotels, restaurants and nightclubs you will pass between those two miles.

Still doesn't solve the money issues, but at least you are spending your money on booze and not tow trucks, jay walking tickets, DUI's and driving girls back to Orange County the next day.

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 12:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

There is a certain unnamed beach town in another state with 0% State income tax where all you have to go at most is two miles from one end to the other.

And there are 70,000 bars, hotels, restaurants and nightclubs you will pass between those two miles.

Still doesn't solve the money issues, but at least you are spending your money on booze and not tow trucks, jay walking tickets, DUI's and driving girls back to Orange County the next day.

As far as money...A move to Florida is an immediate 10% pay increase, since you're free of Cali's oppressive state income tax. (After prop 30, the top tax rate increased to 13.3%.)

And I have always been of the mindset that while one should not waste money, it's far more rewarding to look for ways to get money.

For me, budget isn't an issue. I made a lot of great friends in LA, have a great social circle....

They'll just have to come visit me.

Hell, if people won't visit a guy in Miami, were they ever really true friends in the first place?

[thegmanifesto]

(03-25-2013 12:52 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 12:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

There is a certain unnamed beach town in another state with 0% State income tax where all you have to go at most is two miles from one end to the other.

And there are 70,000 bars, hotels, restaurants and nightclubs you will pass between those two miles.

Still doesn't solve the money issues, but at least you are spending your money on booze and not tow trucks, jay walking tickets, DUI's and driving girls back to Orange County the next day.

As far as money...A move to Florida is an immediate 10% pay increase, since you're free of Cali's oppressive state income tax. (After prop 30, the top tax rate increased to 13.3%.)

And I have always been of the mindset that while one should not waste money, it's far more rewarding to look for ways to get money.

For me, budget isn't an issue. I made a lot of great friends in LA, have a great social circle....

They'll just have to come visit me.

Hell, if people won't visit a guy in Miami, were they ever really true friends in the first place?

Even Bill Maher a few weeks ago was even alluding to the fact that "if California keeps up with this tax thing, they might lose me"

(I am paraphrasing here, but the point was the same).

[MikeCF]

Another reason to move to Miami?

If OJ had behaved himself, he'd still be living large off his pension, as him home was protected:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_e..._Creditors

"The homestead exemption offers virtually absolute protection from forced sale to meet the demands of creditors."

Stash cash in a house. Who cares if it appreciates or if real estate is going up.

Your cash is now "good as gold."

In Cali, let's say you get into a bar fight. You get sued. Now all that cash you have stacked is gone.

[el mechanico]

Mike you're coming to Florida? It's 70 degrees in my office and I'm wearing polar fleece. In other words it's going to get hot soon. Real hot.

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 01:32 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Mike you're coming to Florida? It's 70 degrees in my office and I'm wearing polar fleece. In other words it's going to get hot soon. Real hot.

Going to recon Miami soon. Was supposed to be there last week but stayed here for an event that doesn't happen very often.

[el mechanico]

(03-25-2013 01:36 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:32 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Mike you're coming to Florida? It's 70 degrees in my office and I'm wearing polar fleece. In other words it's going to get hot soon. Real hot.

Going to recon Miami soon. Was supposed to be there last week but stayed here for an event that doesn't happen very often.

Recon other places as well here. Miami is a clusterfuck. Nobody who lives here ever talks about going or moving there. Anyway are you going for a house or condo? The best set-up here is house on a canal with pool and davits.

[MikeCF]

(03-25-2013 01:43 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:36 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:32 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Mike you're coming to Florida? It's 70 degrees in my office and I'm wearing polar fleece. In other words it's going to get hot soon. Real hot.

Going to recon Miami soon. Was supposed to be there last week but stayed here for an event that doesn't happen very often.

Recon other places as well here. Miami is a clusterfuck. Nobody who lives here ever talks about going or moving there. Anyway are you going for a house or condo? The best set-up here is house on a canal with pool and davits.

Thanks.

As for your question, "I don't know what I don't know."

I'm going to scope the landscape with an open mind and go from there...

[el mechanico]

When you're doing it right here this is what the back yard looks like..

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