[Juan Antonio]

(08-26-2012 03:25 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Yes,Yad does lots of things right.Although he clearly had luck the Russian girl was in the mood(I also think she had drunk a little as well Russian girls use to do that).
I am now dizzy from some drinking in polish cafe bar where the Slavs clearly outdrink everyone else but I will try to explain what Yad does right:
1.Despite that he blocks the girl's getaway(probably it is a suggestion to do) in this case this is not out of order because the girl is Russian and Russians like to talk in close contact,moreover Russian women like to be dominated(so in the beginning it is not bad to stay so close and block)
2.He has long hair and peculiar looks which make him seem interesting(like he has depth or sth)
3.He smiles in the right way playfully(while the other guy Jon Matrix if I remember who picks up the Latvian girl in London has more fake smile)
4.He has good eye contact and looks at the girl very similar to the way a Slav would do although his eye expression is western(he has probably some mix in descend he does not have the imperial English style like the other guys)
5.He does some natural movements like rubbing his nose,rubbing his ear etc which may seem outrageous when talking to women but inthis case(because he speaks to a Russian woman folklore dressed) show that he does not give a shit so he is true alpha.(if the woman were German officially dressed she would be offended but I doubt he would do the same)

6.He talks speciafically about Russia and with humour.So he seems to calibrate.Compare to the Jon Matrix who says ''I do not know a thing about Latvia I know only about Russia that it has snow and beautiful women.''(although he also escapes because the girl happened to be Latvian of Russian origin who do not like Latvians so much.So she did not care a lot that the guy knew nothing about Latvia).
7.He seems to entertain himself.Like he does not put so much effort.This is good but we have to admit the girl helps him a lot with her transmitting joy.Generally many Russian women can be in the mood when you meet them and this is contagious.(That is why it is important to recognize which women are Russian just by looks,body type and fashion.I have already written how to distinguish between Russian and polish,polish and Czech,Russian and Ukrainian,polish and Ukrainian,what are the hints which show you the origin of the girl).
8.Although the kiss close was forced it was not bad(usually it means the girl can flake later after guilt hits on or because she thinks she has already done the maximum and no need to proceed) because again in this case the girl was Russian and with slavic girls escalation can be quick.(I have done even fuck closes in 15 minutes with Ukrainian girls I met on the street or I have fingered girls who I sat next to them in the train).

Anyway this Yad is good it is worth to watch him he has right tone of voice,right posture and good duration of sentences and is quick he reciprocates.

I don't think Yad's approach would have worked on an American girl.

Greek Kamaki, what kind of day game approach do you think works best on American girls?

[Greek kamaki]

I have small experience with american girls.From what I gather you just chit chat with them and take their number (then they tell I met a cute guy and gave him my number).

[BigAlexBoss]

Godo analysis of the Yad video Greek, thanks.

I still haven't worked out how you can distinguish between Russian girls, Ukrainian girls, Polish girls etc as you did on that beach resort photo thread.

One day you will have to do a thread on this.

[Greek kamaki]

I have written extensively about that.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-15060-page-6.html

I have also written about that in greek islands data sheet.

[Sebastian]

question to OP:
how do you do at night game? do you think it's possible for someone to be good at just day game but not at night game? (vice versa)

[BigAlexBoss]

Great question Sebastian. I am sure Krauser can chime in on this as well.

I greatly dislike nightgame - I put myself through it once or twice a week to not leave that side of my game underdeveloped, but if you are teetotal, have a high IQ and are an analytical type like me, nightgame is very hard work. How much you enjoy nightgame is strongly related to your level of primacy (loosely speaking how easy it is to shut off your modern forebrain and act on all the base instincts and impulses of your older animal hindbrain). My level of primacy is very low which makes a disco seem like a crazy fu**** up meatmarket to me every time, constantly analysing the interactions.

So I play to my strengths, which are conversation, wit, humour, intelligence. My brain and my mouth are my biggest assets and nightgame does its best to mute them.

Choose your battlefield wisely - for me its daygame.

[Giovonny]

I predict that Roosh will be switching to day game in another year or 2.

Night game is fun in your 20's but when you get to be over 32 or 33, the late nights and heavy boozing start to add up. If you are trying to max out your life, build a career, make money, and be healthy, staying up til 4 or 5 in the morning just isn't a great idea.

Night time is when a man should rest. The body replenishes itself between 10pm and 3am. If you want to properly restore your body, max out muscle growth, max out testosterone levels and look as youthful as possible, you should be asleep before midnight, the earlier the better. Proper sleep is probably the single greatest anti-aging practice that we can do.

Time is also an issue, we all work hard to make a living, this requires great time and effort for most of us, do we really have the time and energy to go out chasing girls in the evenings and on the weekends? Wouldn't it be better to just meet girls during the day? How much time, energy, and money would you save if you didn't have to go out at night?

I know, I know, going out is fun and sometimes its just about getting drunk and hanging with your boys. I admit, we all need that sometimes, don't get me wrong, if you love going out and you are getting laid and you like your lifestyle, then ignore this post. Guys in there 20's should be going out hard. This post is for guys that maybe are a little older, maybe are not into the night scene, maybe are ready for a change, etc.

Also, a big part of night game is alcohol. Its fun to drink sometimes but to often guys use alcohol as a crutch. It's "liquid courage", it gives guys temporary confidence, its fake confidence. Whats important is not how confident you are when you are drunk, whats important is how confident you are when you are sober. You sober personality is your personality. If you can't confidently pick up girls sober then your game needs work. If you don't feel confident unless you are drunk then you are not confident enough.

Day game requires genuine confidence, genuine fearlessness. There are no shortcuts, its just you and your masculine power.

[WestCoast]

I agree with Gio here and I'll add my 2 cents about the transition since that's literally what I'm doing for now.

1. If you have solid night game (eg. can pull one night stands) your "date" from day game is pretty much yours to lose
2. It's a lot more uncomfortable but the girl gives you more free passes on game slip ups. If you fuck up a night, you're done and must leave. You can say a couple stupid things during the day and be fine.
3. Style is amplified 2x during the day
4. In shape body is amplified 2x

Upsides:
1. Quality
2. Healthier
3. Cheaper

Downsides:
1. Lower Returns, In large clubs you can hit up 10+ girls
2. Tame if you like night clubs you are probably very energetic all the time, day game is a little bit less exciting (ex. No one is going to blind side you and try to cock block etc.)

So far I would equate day game to controlling your emotions and night game to controlling your environment.

Day game is exuding swag without being overbearing
Night game is swag and you can be obnoxious even, but obstacles come at you left and right (cock blockers, ugly friends, drinks spilling, breaking her away from friends, getting he off the phone etc.)

After writing this it just hit me, the job caused me to start with night game since my life entails juggling a billion things steadily environment, where day game is more of a meditative state.

[Basil Ransom]

BigAlexBoss and other day game vets,

What day game venues have you found to be fruitful, that also let you stay fairly stationary?

Of the day game I have done, one of my biggest annoyances with it was having to constantly walk and scramble to approach, whereas in a bar you never have to go very far.

I recently picked up a girl in a quiet wine bar, best of both worlds - quiet, intelligent conversation, drinking unnecessary and same night lay. But these joints usually have a low volume of girls. If you get seated next to the right girl at the bar, it can be easy peasy, otherwise, you get nothing. Plus young girls gravitate towards loud crowded bars, not sedate wine bars.

[Giovonny]

(08-27-2012 02:28 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Downsides:
1. Lower Returns, In large clubs you can hit up 10+ girls

We will hit the college campuses soon and we can approach 10 girls an hour!!

Big universities have THOUSANDS of approachable girls!!

If you choose a good daygame location, targets should be plentiful. That mall we went to was pretty good.

But, you're right, day game can be boring compared to night time.

[Giovonny]

(08-27-2012 02:28 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

What day game venues have you found to be fruitful, that also let you stay fairly stationary?

University Library
University Food court
The airport arrivals area
Big fancy shopping districts (in font of the fancy womens stores)
High end malls
Big touristy areas like Times Square in NY or Union Square in SF

Just go to any major college and find the coffee shop.

I used to have an office on a college campus and that was amazing. I also worked at the college farmers market and that was awesome too. I have also bartended in the afternoon and that was great.

If you just wanna sit down and have and an endless stream of pretty girls approach you, I would set up a cheap jewelry and sunglasses booth on a college campus. I see these guys all the time. You just gotta pay like 50 bucks for an "outside vendors pass". Girls will be buzzing around you all day.

[WestCoast]

Yeah guess what I mean is you meet at night and pretty much just shoot for immediate lay, day game is slower

[Giovonny]

oh ya, you meant at night you can try to bang all approaches, during the day, not so much.

I have gotten back to girls dorm rooms a few times but never got the bang, just makeout-handjob.

[BigAlexBoss]

Gio - great post, summed up my thoughts exactly. I'm early 30s but look mid 20s and plan to keep it that way. Nightgame is not my friend with regards to antiaging.

University campuses is the secret weapon of all daygamers - the holy grail.

Girls in their prime (18-23), doing some sort of degree (I can't talk to hairdressers/waiters/maids, we're just not on the same socioeconomic wavelength), often with a boring beta boyfriend they've had since they were 14 years old (at least here in Spain).

Now as I mentioned before, i'm an analytical motherf***** so I have a breakdown of the gender and age ratios on all the local university courses. Needless to say, I only frequent departments that have a 70:30 ratio in my favour!

For punters like Basil who don't want to be running around all day looking for targets, find a daygame choke point such as come benches at the entrance to a popular mall, as you can then do a Roosh and camp there, waiting for targets to pass you by, at which point you holler out to them and open.

[Greek kamaki]

Daygame is called here being a tramp.(tramping).The whole point is to act like a tramp without looking like one.For example a beggar dressed in suit would be much more effective than a beggar showing his wounds.

[Neo]

(08-27-2012 02:28 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

BigAlexBoss and other day game vets,

What day game venues have you found to be fruitful, that also let you stay fairly stationary?

Of the day game I have done, one of my biggest annoyances with it was having to constantly walk and scramble to approach, whereas in a bar you never have to go very far.

I recently picked up a girl in a quiet wine bar, best of both worlds - quiet, intelligent conversation, drinking unnecessary and same night lay. But these joints usually have a low volume of girls. If you get seated next to the right girl at the bar, it can be easy peasy, otherwise, you get nothing. Plus young girls gravitate towards loud crowded bars, not sedate wine bars.

I had this same issue. At first I would just drive from place to place, but I found it to be kind of a waste of time. It takes some trial and error to find the best spots, but as the other guys have already said college campuses are key. This includes other venues located near them(coffee shops, art galleries, etc.)

When I started I did a Roosh like intensive study of my local spots over 3-4 months. I repeatedly went to about 15 coffee shops over that span and took notes. What I found was that there were a few where no matter what evening or day I went cute girls would be there year round. Others I could sit there for 2-3 hours with zero prospects.

If you're in a very large city finding girls probably won't be a problem since you can constantly do street approaches. If not you probably have to do a scouting mission.

A big chunk time for me was the initial set up of finding the best places. Now I can bring a book or my laptop to a coffee shop and I'll know in the next few hours I'll have many opportunities. Then I can walk outside and there will be girls on the street, including more girls at the next coffee shop.

[BigAlexBoss]

Krauser has just guest posted on Roosh's blog on direct vs indirect daygame - good read.

[spanish_courage]

I have been identified with you in all this: "I like to sleep 8 hours, I like to workout, I like to keep my testosterone at maximum levels, I hate bar sluts, I hate trying to talk over pumping music, I have a high IQ, conversation and wit are my strong points - for me its a no brainer, daygame is where its at
"



Day after day I'm becoming to hate night and all that involves night .It's the most improductive thing to approach and meet women..and I'm a guy that hate waste the time

I bought a couple months ago bang and day bang,so Im reading day bang and wait to put in practice the theory soon

You must know this "paisano de Valenci",although I don't like his method is day game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbxso_lO7c

[rampage]

@BigAlexBoss

Maybe you should watch Paul Janka´s "Beyond the Digits" videos (this is where he basically fully explains his game method) before saying he is shit. You only read "Getting laid in New York" pdf and watched few of his videos on youtube . Thats just like if I would only read Roosh´s Bang Poland and say that Roosh doesnt add any value for the average game learner.

[w00t]

Paul Janka is very very good. He has a more "industrial" approach to gaming, playing big numbers, hardly ANY invest in a set...he doesnt even do Dates, has the chicks come right up to his apartment! Thats genius because I hate dates. It only works if you live in a big city with many girls though.
A population of 1-2 million is absolute minimum for that kind of game but it works like a charm. IN a smaller town you will have the place sarged out in notime.

[spanish_courage]

day game of tom torero y awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBfMqUQw_iE

[bojangles]

Tom is pretty good, I've enjoyed some of the vids he's posted.

Janka is a con, sent an email out saying he'd pay $500 for great testimonials.

[the virgin chronicles]

Anyone else interested in direct daygame should check out Simple Pickup. The videos on their YouTube channel are a little jokey (although they still display some fundamentals) but Project Go (their pay service) is solid. You can find all of the Project Go episodes on torrent sites if you don't feel like paying for them.

I don't think Simple Pickup gets enough credit, they are some of the only PUAs releasing tons of infield footage, they keep the jargon to a minimum and make approaching all about having fun.

[brianmark]

(08-26-2012 06:42 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

My last post was from my smartphone so I couldn't be arsed to type more.

Why Paul Janka and Jeremy Soul are shit

Janka is 6 foot+ and looks like a male catwalk model. His original free "Getting laid in NY" pdf (google it) contains anything of value he has contributed to the community which is basically live in an urban megametropolis to facilitate the law of truly large numbers (NY and now london where he lives) go indirect "Excuse me do yo uknow where the law campus is?" on hundreds of girls, limiting interactions to 2 minutes and then number closing quickly. If she doesn't number close, eject, move to the next. There is literally no value added for the average RVFer who doesn't look like Janka. Roosh's Daybang shits on Janka from a great height.

Soul's daygame book is 95% Magic Bullets (superb book, superior to Bang IMO) with 5% rubbish newbie daygame advice. Respect because hes an average looking Indian dude which will make daygame all the harder.

Justin Wayne

The takehome with Mr Wayne is that his infields demonstrate a lot of daygame techiniques well applied. He has game. Hes been teasing with his dominoes secret magic technique for months now and as far as I'm concerned he can shove it up his ass. Theres nothing new in daygame that Mr Wayne has discovered. If hes using an MTV fraud to get bangs, more credit to him. I love disruptive innovations.

Instant Date post day approach

After an approach has gone at least 10 minutes (take note Mr Janka, his flake rate would be astronomical with his 2 minute closes if he didn't look like an extra from New York fashion week) you should push strongly for an instant date at a coffee shop etc. It reduces your flake percentages enormously and is solid game - of course you don't call it an instant date

Last resort is the number close but make sure you go over 15 minutes if you can and get into some comfort topics.

Direct vs Indirect in Daygame

I could write a book on this topic but here is the summary:

Direct daygame will hurt you unless you look like Janka. Don't do it.

Your default will be indirect-direct "Excuse me, can I just say something, I was just over there having a coffee when I saw you pass - your walk is really really sexy, the way your hips sway...... but I'm not sure about your shoes, whats going on with them?" You are making it clear you are a male sexual being and are interested in her as more than just friends but with the tease on the end and the very light sexualisation she is not 100% sure of your intentions. Game on.

Full indirect "Excuse me, do you know the way to the nearest pet shop?" is daygame training wheels and should be used when you are starting off. Daygame vets will use indirect where the girl does not have an easy escape from the conversation, for example she's sat down in a coffee shop working. In this situation to go direct or indirect-direct would put an enormous amount of social pressure on her and more likely lead to a DOA approach.

All my bangs are from daygame with the odd internet bang.

Daygame.com

Yeah the website is quite commercial and well put together but they have a lot of free videos available in the blog and the Daygame Blueprint is the most comprehensive daygame model out there.

Hope this helps [/u]

Thanks for the review of Paul Janka. What I did notice is about his series videos of approaching girls in Austin, TX is that his number closes are the absolute lowest level of number close. Such as, "I'm new in town, can I have your number in case I get lost". Sometimes Southern girls can be nice and helpful. He has built no attraction between him and the girl when closes the number. As you said he then moves on to film the next successful close. He's basically is a 9 and looks like a male model (I'm not sure what a 10 is) and he should be doing as well or even better than he does.

Krauser's success in running Daygame in London cannot be repeated maybe anywhere in the USA. Only NYC is slightly comparable. He has unlimited access to girls from all over the world that are new in town. Most USA cities are driving cities so where do you Daygame. Also USA has a much lower percentage of girls from all over the world than London. It's 100 times more productive being a flagger in London than Charlotte, NC. So location is VERY important.

[Teedub]

(12-28-2012 09:08 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Tom is pretty good, I've enjoyed some of the vids he's posted.

Janka is a con, sent an email out saying he'd pay $500 for great testimonials.

For $500 I'll do a 2000 word testimonial for your bootcamps haha