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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-05-2012, 10:10 AM
I have to disagree on this one.
Yes, some laws are really about prohibiting normal behaviour, e.g. drunk sex constituting rape. Other laws, especially concerning divorce and child custody can also be said to be misandrist. Draw attention to those unjust policies, but don't go knee jerking about anything set in place to protect women.
Let me put this in perspective, since my country is in a similar situation to Belgium's.
What we see is a normal Western European country with liberal laws and decent economies. Mainly white people, and pretty promiscuous. No religious right, no fights against hook-up culture.
A lot of immigrants have come, many of which are backwards, uneducated and without any perspective in life. The women actually do very well, the men drop out and fall off track. Sucky jobs or crime. Their women don't want them (more for me) and the Western women don't want them.
Young, well raised students walk down the street, and many times a day these unattractive and often older men, who barely speak the language, literally creep on them. Not a failed pickup attempt from a socially inept teenage kid, but dirty guys straight up asking them to come with them for sex. If they refuse, they are not left alone, and at the end they're called "whores."
It's normal to have a society where you can meet new people, and try to chat someone up.
It's not normal when girls that are physically weaker have to be afraid to walk down the street.
The bad reaction to this is really caused by you defining yourself with loser guys instead of normal girls. This is not about a "war between the sexes" as much as a clash between a liberal culture and a backwards one. Normally everyone here hates the politically correct, cultural marxist bullshit, and that's what this is about. These are not "dumb, entitled sluts" who have unfair privileges over men.
Don't be so bitter, this film girl was not trying to make being a man illegal. If anything, this shit is a major reason women have bitch shields in the first place. Identifying with the street losers means you have to tweak your game, bro.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-05-2012, 10:23 AM
Quote: (08-05-2012 10:10 AM)sixsix Wrote:
I have to disagree on this one.
Yes, some laws are really about prohibiting normal behaviour, e.g. drunk sex constituting rape. Other laws, especially concerning divorce and child custody can also be said to be misandrist. Draw attention to those unjust policies, but don't go knee jerking about anything set in place to protect women.
Let me put this in perspective, since my country is in a similar situation to Belgium's.
What we see is a normal Western European country with liberal laws and decent economies. Mainly white people, and pretty promiscuous. No religious right, no fights against hook-up culture.
A lot of immigrants have come, many of which are backwards, uneducated and without any perspective in life. The women actually do very well, the men drop out and fall off track. Sucky jobs or crime. Their women don't want them (more for me) and the Western women don't want them.
Young, well raised students walk down the street, and many times a day these unattractive and often older men, who barely speak the language, literally creep on them. Not a failed pickup attempt from a socially inept teenage kid, but dirty guys straight up asking them to come with them for sex. If they refuse, they are not left alone, and at the end they're called "whores."
It's normal to have a society where you can meet new people, and try to chat someone up.
It's not normal when girls that are physically weaker have to be afraid to walk down the street.
The bad reaction to this is really caused by you defining yourself with loser guys instead of normal girls. This is not about a "war between the sexes" as much as a clash between a liberal culture and a backwards one. Normally everyone here hates the politically correct, cultural marxist bullshit, and that's what this is about. These are not "dumb, entitled sluts" who have unfair privileges over men.
Don't be so bitter, this film girl was not trying to make being a man illegal. If anything, this shit is a major reason women have bitch shields in the first place. Identifying with the street losers means you have to tweak your game, bro.
Well spoken. It's the failed multicultural society that's the problem here and it has nothing to do with pick up.
There is already a thread on this here:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14825.html
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-05-2012, 11:12 AM
Why are Muslim guys in Europe such creeps? There are a lot of Muslims in North America (Toronto, Montreal, New York, Detroit) but I've never heard of street harassment by Muslim men being a problem here.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-05-2012, 12:08 PM
Let's be clear, these are not silver-tongued lotharios who approach in their bespoke suits and cause women to swoon through the seductive power of their conversational skill. They are a bunch of sexually frustrated goons who make women dress in ugly clothes and less open to approach.
A year or two ago, I had a long distance relationship with a cute Arab chick working in Brussels. Any time we went out for a meal or a bar, if I left her alone for a few minutes, she'd have a crowd of Arab males trying to hit on her in their typically clumsy and rapey way. They would generally disperse when I returned, but not after trying to force pieces of paper bearing telephone numbers on her. Some of the more religious would accuse her of being a whore and an infidel when they saw who she was with. Some of the more circumspect would leave their numbers under the windscreen wipers of her car.
As others have already said, this isn't so much a video about sexism as it is about the failure - and the general unwillingness - of Muslim immigrants to integrate into European society. It's a pity the documentary maker is too much of a coward to point out the real problem and chooses, in typical feminist fashion, to accuse every man of the crimes of a select minority.
And, by the by, it is not "foreigners" who are the problem - Brussels is filled with foreigners who work there and who are generally well behaved. It is a problem specific to Muslim immigrants (and which affects many other parts of Europe).
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 03:04 AM
Still, that women are outraged about creeps just walking up, asking for sex and harassing them would imply that they would absolutely jump on the chance to be with someone who respects them, is very polite and does not view them as just a sexual object.
Of course, we all know how that one ends.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 04:13 AM
Quote: (08-06-2012 02:26 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (08-05-2012 12:08 PM)Dolmance Wrote:
Let's be clear, these are not silver-tongued lotharios who approach in their bespoke suits and cause women to swoon through the seductive power of their conversational skill. They are a bunch of sexually frustrated goons who make women dress in ugly clothes and less open to approach.
A year or two ago, I had a long distance relationship with a cute Arab chick working in Brussels. Any time we went out for a meal or a bar, if I left her alone for a few minutes, she'd have a crowd of Arab males trying to hit on her in their typically clumsy and rapey way. They would generally disperse when I returned, but not after trying to force pieces of paper bearing telephone numbers on her. Some of the more religious would accuse her of being a whore and an infidel when they saw who she was with. Some of the more circumspect would leave their numbers under the windscreen wipers of her car.
As others have already said, this isn't so much a video about sexism as it is about the failure - and the general unwillingness - of Muslim immigrants to integrate into European society. It's a pity the documentary maker is too much of a coward to point out the real problem and chooses, in typical feminist fashion, to accuse every man of the crimes of a select minority.
And, by the by, it is not "foreigners" who are the problem - Brussels is filled with foreigners who work there and who are generally well behaved. It is a problem specific to Muslim immigrants (and which affects many other parts of Europe).
D.
It sounds like the backlash will be strong against these immigrants.
it does not make any difference, the reproduction rate of say "muslim" immigrants is above >2 (3-4), and the reproduction rate of most other groups is like ~1-2. in a few generations, everyone else will be the minority. most immigrants in yurop have not been the elite of their country and have brought a really backwards few on religion and society with them.
idk, could be compared to the whole mexican/latino/usa topic, but with greater culture gap.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 04:33 AM
Yeah anyone who's been to Brussels, it's pretty creepy past 9 pm. All I saw were muslim guys hanging about the sidewalk looking around. When you're with a blonde women they stare you down. Some old drunk guy had a go at me at the (irish) pub in Bruges before realising i was with a foreign woman. We europeans are too tolerant. Try going to my country, Britain, it's such a mess cause no one cares anymore, they feel no connection to the country. Going through immigration at london city airport the other day...not one single white face or otherwise english looking person in the immigration service.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 06:20 AM
The question is why aren't these men married off by 20 as they would in the old country? This would relieve the sexual frustration these guys are feeling.
The face that there are a bunch of lonely older bachelors from sexually repressed cultures roaming around the city creeping on young girls who won't give them the time of day is a powderkeg ready to explode. These guys should be married with kids right? Why isn't this happening?
And the fact that we don't seem to have these problems in the US and Canada might be due to us screening for the more educated/entrepreneurial type of Muslim. I occasionally see the really religious type with beard and skullcaps but they seem to be pretty well behaved.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 12:51 PM
I think you don't really see it with muslims here in the US is because there is an ocean between us. It's not exactly cheap to cross the Atlantic. However, we do have similar issues here in America. A majority of the Central Americans that I have seen and met are exactly like what is being described in this thread. I've even seen some fight old ladies for a loaf of bread at the soup kitchen. It's not all of them, but it seems that the scum seems to congregate. If you talk to some of the other Latin American immigrants about these guys they'll say that they are the people that aren't even wanted in their home country (i.e. rapists, murderers, child molesters). In other words, they are the stereotype that republicans use for anti-immigration rhetoric.
I experienced it first hand while walking down the street with my tan skinned girlfriend (born in Miami, raised in NJ). First, they would offer her money for sex. Then, they would call her a bitch or a whore when she declined. Finally, they would lament the fact that I'm with her by saying things like "why do the gringos take our women?"
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 01:11 PM
What this shows me is that the vast majority of this world is filled with horny, frustrated, angry men hard-up for sex with hot chicks. Multiply the "frustration" x 100 in the Arab world.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 01:13 PM
Quote: (08-06-2012 06:20 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:
The question is why aren't these men married off by 20 as they would in the old country? This would relieve the sexual frustration these guys are feeling.
The face that there are a bunch of lonely older bachelors from sexually repressed cultures roaming around the city creeping on young girls who won't give them the time of day is a powderkeg ready to explode. These guys should be married with kids right? Why isn't this happening?
And the fact that we don't seem to have these problems in the US and Canada might be due to us screening for the more educated/entrepreneurial type of Muslim. I occasionally see the really religious type with beard and skullcaps but they seem to be pretty well behaved.
Well most muslim men aren't married off by 20 in their homelands. The muslim girls, yes, but not muslim guys. They have to be somewhat established to get married. Trust me, there are a lot of sexually repressed creeps in those muslim countries. I mean if some guy is taking 4 wives, you can obviously do the math on what that means.
Another reason they aren't married in their homeland is because they aren't in their homeland. They moved away for better opportunities. Once muslims immigrate, it becomes harder to pair off and find a suitable marriage partner, hence the reason why you see high rates on unmarried muslims despite the fact they would likely be married in their homeland.
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 03:19 PM
Quote: (08-06-2012 02:22 PM)torontokid Wrote:
Quote: (08-06-2012 06:20 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:
The question is why aren't these men married off by 20 as they would in the old country? This would relieve the sexual frustration these guys are feeling.
The face that there are a bunch of lonely older bachelors from sexually repressed cultures roaming around the city creeping on young girls who won't give them the time of day is a powderkeg ready to explode. These guys should be married with kids right? Why isn't this happening?
And the fact that we don't seem to have these problems in the US and Canada might be due to us screening for the more educated/entrepreneurial type of Muslim. I occasionally see the really religious type with beard and skullcaps but they seem to be pretty well behaved.
I don't understand why Europe doesn't screen for the good type of immigrant instead of the uneducated ones....
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Femme de la Rue: sexism on the streets of Brussels – video
08-06-2012, 05:40 PM
What strikes me is how polite and dignified this girl is even in the face of overt propositioning and abusive name calling. Are European women generally this nice? American guys are always commenting on how much nicer European women are.
I'd like to see these guys run their "day game" on American women in New York or DC. These cats wouldn't last a week.
I think a lot of American guys are afraid of American women as they can be loud, rude, bitchy, aggressive and hostile to creepy come-ons. I'm sure more women carry pepperspray here than anywhere else. It's why guys here are too afraid to cold approach during the day, and overt street harassment like this isn't too common in the US.