[el mechanico]

I was thinking about instead of bickering on threads that will be around forever to have a specific place. To hate!

In the future people may read through this stuff and think what a bunch of bitches. That's not good.

The haters lounge should be purged like your spam email from time to time.

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[UrbanNerd]

(07-26-2012 12:16 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I was thinking about instead of bickering on threads that will be around forever to have a specific place. To hate!

In the future people may read through this stuff and think what a bunch of bitches. That's not good.

The haters lounge should be purged like your spam email from time to time.

I don't know if the forum needs that but ANYONE on a message board should learn how to "agree to disagree". It's a message board, so there are bound to be opinions that do not gel. All that one has to do is post that they do not agree and move on. No need for determining who is "hating", being overly emotional that you have to "ignore" someone's posts (I mean really?) or bicker back and forth for 30 pages.

[el mechanico]

(07-26-2012 12:30 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 12:16 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I was thinking about instead of bickering on threads that will be around forever to have a specific place. To hate!

In the future people may read through this stuff and think what a bunch of bitches. That's not good.

The haters lounge should be purged like your spam email from time to time.

I don't know if the forum needs that but ANYONE on a message board should learn how to "agree to disagree". It's a message board, so there are bound to be opinions that do not gel. All that one has to do is post that they do not agree and move on. No need for determining who is "hating", being overly emotional that you have to "ignore" someone's posts (I mean really?) or bicker back and forth for 30 pages.

I'm thinking it will discourage the hating.

[Tuthmosis]

I was writing an Active Forum Beefs List a while back. It consisted of the members involved, the original beef, the current status, and the hot-button subjects that set it off. The idea was for people to be aware and laugh at the dumb shit people argue about, but I quickly came to my senses and realized it would only fan flames and create more problems, so I abandoned it. There are some funny ones out there, though.

Fictional Example:

Beef Name: Mechanico-Tuthmosis Ass vs. Tits Debate
Members Involved: Mechanico, Tuthmosis
Instigators: Soup, BasilRansom
Background: Tuthmosis claimed that ass is better than tits; Mechanico went ad-hominem
Threads Involved: Ass vs. Tits
Current Status: Cooling

I don't think everyone has the same sense of humor here, so a place to freely hate is bound to get out of control and leak out to everywhere. The spectacle aspect of it, the Internet, and other factors simply leaves too much room for escalation and misunderstanding.

[el mechanico]

"I don't think everyone has the same sense of humor here, so a place to freely hate is bound to get out of control and leak out to everywhere. The spectacle aspect of it, the Internet, and other factors simply leaves too much room for escalation and misunderstanding."

So that's a yes vote?

[soup]

Ass is truth, tits are a lie.

I've be feeling the burn for tits lately, but the only reason we like tits is because they remind our limbic system of ass. It's just a way of arousing us to do the deed.

Actually, I think the way this forum is moderated can have a direct affect on people's game. It's good to get the outside perspectives.

I think that as long as it stays good-natured, and people don't take it personally, there could be a haters type lounge.

But, I also think that there is a civil way to make a point.

[ManAbout]

(07-26-2012 12:34 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm thinking it will discourage the hating.

I very much doubt it.

Example - A guy comes into a thread about your city and starts claiming that everybody he knows and his dog has killed it in this city, without any proof and nothing to back it up. What do you do? Continue in that thread? Or take it to the Haters Lounge? And then the guy asking the person making outrageous claims to back them up becomes a hater.

[Roosh]

Funny idea, but it will just encourage it.

Anyway, it seems like every week we have a "drama thread" where guys have mini meltdowns and I have to bust out with the temp bans and lock it up. On one hand I want everyone to express themselves, but the drama kills the levels of discourse on the forum. People divide in camps and snap at each other on other threads.

[Moma]

I concur with big brother mechanico that a haters lounge would be cool. If beef starts up in a thread started up for a certain reason, you could just tell the beef participants to take it to the haters lounge.

It provides an outlet for us to hate responsibly.

I think it falls in line with the Everything lounge where sometimes I just want to say some random shyt but there is no thread that fits in exactly with it.

Of course, this takes some maturity because I think some cats take beef personally and like to continue jabs after the fact to open up wounds that their spar with the initial beefers had failed to do.

Of course there should be some rules of the level of hating involved there.

If the hate lounge gets out of hand, then I guess the mods can shut it down? Obviously there are a few cats I want to go HAM on. However, behind this HAM intent, I have nothing but love and I will gladly buy a round of palm wine for practically all members (if I can bankroll it).

[Samseau]

Nah. It just makes the forum look immature. People won't take this place very seriously if all they see are flamewars.

[soup]

What happens in hate lounge, stays in hate lounge.

Nobody talks about hate lounge.

If this is your first time at hate lounge, you HAVE to hate.

Beefs will go on as long as they have to.

One beef at a time.

If a player says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the beef is over.

Only two PUAs to a beef.

Loser has to give a rep point to the winner and a

[Aliblahba]

I don't really have all those on my ignore list. Bad joke.

[alphaspiraton]

(07-26-2012 12:54 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 12:34 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm thinking it will discourage the hating.

I very much doubt it.

Example - A guy comes into a thread about your city and starts claiming that everybody he knows and his dog has killed it in this city, without any proof and nothing to back it up. What do you do? Continue in that thread? Or take it to the Haters Lounge? And then the guy asking the person making outrageous claims to back them up becomes a hater.

I agree. People will just continue to argue in the other threads. I don't think you're going to divert anyone to this particular hate thread. Plus, not many people want to admit that they have beef with someone's false claims, especially if that person has a set of ritual followers who defend his words at every turn without asking for proof or looking at the facts.

Side track: It should be an unwritten rule that the person who claims to have killed it in a particular city must be able to name at least 2-3 good spots in the city - not necessarily a data sheet - instead of making empty claims with no proof.

[el mechanico]

I'm going to start up a West coast vs East coast players beef as soon as the lounge gets the green light. Then I'm going to gun for the British.

[Giovonny]

Drama is good in tv, drama is good in books, drama is good in movies. Drama is entertaining.

We all love a train wreck. We all stop to look at the accident on the side of the road.

Why isn't drama good on the forum?

I find it very entertaining. Also, you can tell alot about a guy by the way he argues. You can almost tell if he is alpha or beta just by the way he argues and what he argues about. I also think the truth comes out when guys argue. I think honest confrontation speeds up the learning and clarification process. Why not call bullshit on guys if you don't believe him? Why should we let guys slide?

I have said this many times on the forum:

(06-18-2012 10:58 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I think forum beefs are highly entertaining. They also force guys to reveal their true positions on things. Even the race threads are fine with me. If a guy wants to tell everyone how racist and bigoted he is, I think thats better then him concealing it. At least we know who we are dealing with.

Beefs bring out the worst in people but they also bring out the best in others. I think G is at his best when he is on the attack. I think MikeCF is great when he is pissed off and offensive minded.

I hate "group think" when everyone just agrees with each other.

Some guys don't show there best stuff until their backs are against the wall.

Disagreements are a part of life. And, I think they are important for advancing everyones perspective.

This would be boring if we all just agreed with each other.

But, if Roosh doesn't want them, I won't encourage them any more then I already have.

[Smitty]

(07-26-2012 01:41 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Funny idea, but it will just encourage it.

I agree with Roosh here. Hate perpetuates hate. It would funny to read what Tuth and El Mech come up with, but they can separate their emotions from the board. A lot of the guys here can't. So it will be one big pissing contest where guys insult each other and there's no way those beefs won't bleed over into the regular part of the forum.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-26-2012 02:23 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 12:54 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 12:34 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm thinking it will discourage the hating.

I very much doubt it.

Example - A guy comes into a thread about your city and starts claiming that everybody he knows and his dog has killed it in this city, without any proof and nothing to back it up. What do you do? Continue in that thread? Or take it to the Haters Lounge? And then the guy asking the person making outrageous claims to back them up becomes a hater.

I agree. People will just continue to argue in the other threads. I don't think you're going to divert anyone to this particular hate thread. Plus, not many people want to admit that they have beef with someone's false claims, especially if that person has a set of ritual followers who defend his words at every turn without asking for proof or looking at the facts.

Side track: It should be an unwritten rule that the person who claims to have killed it in a particular city must be able to name at least 2-3 good spots in the city - not necessarily a data sheet - instead of making empty claims with no proof.

I like how you very subtly made an indirect comment towards me.

The most hilarious aspect about this whole Toronto thing, is what I wrote up is still on the forum, but everyone is too lazy to find it.

Even more hilarious is one of the most respected members of the forum agrees with me on that thread on Toronto being easy.

Not to mention a bunch of other people saying they had a great time there and tons of spots mentioned.

The joke is on the Asperger Syndrome crowd once they find it.

[WestCoast]

In all seriousness G any way you can reorganize your blog?

Some of the stuff applies for me, others do not yet. Would be sweet if it was cleaner.

Ex: I can use smoking and the date set up moves

Can't use the del mar stuff and some venue choices based on age band.

In terms of the hating stuff, it's almost impossible to not get called out on here oh well most people on this forum are still looking for some pill "say xyz and all girls will bang you" get out of here.

[Sourcecode]

hate hate hate

[Cincinnatus]

If not a Haters Lounge, there I'm all for a Haters Thread in the Everything Else forum. I think some of the forum beefs are hilarious.

[MikeCF]

It really is a West Coast thing.

Every guy in the West Coast knows a guy with a fat crib, tricked out car, etc.

I could post a pic of me with an AmEx black card, in an A8, wearing a Submarine, and on top of a $1.5 crib. I could even write some "code word" or something to "prove it's real."

What would that prove? That I have rich friends.

There's just so much wealth in LA...Guys don't get it. Even if you're not loaded, you're only one level removed from a guy who is.

G clearly knows the West Side. So if he wants to fake a profile, he could front about wealth/etc, with ease.

He could easily post party pics from Vegas. Middle class guys go to Vegas all the time. They drive and then throw in for a $1,500 table. Split between 5 guys, Vegas is only $500-800. Very doable if you save up/put it on a credit card.

To the rest of the forum, those guys could easily look like ballers...When in fact they aren't doing anything out of the ordinary.

Cabo is like a $250 flight away. Easy to go down there, even for a broke dick, and post pics. Cabo is a fuck fest. If you're decent, you'll pull.

It's not that hard to create a fake persona if you're a West Coast guy.

If he's faking, he could be doing a much better job.

That's why I'm the most skeptical person in general and yet not "calling out" G.

The West Coast really is a different place...Practically a different planet.

[Tuthmosis]

I just had a revelation when I saw that Sourcecode had embedded those Player Hater clips from Chappelle. We're the real-life Chappelle Player Haters: wandering the Urf (Earth), running mad game, looking crispy, and gabbing mad shit about the world. We even have the nicknames.

'Cept we don't hate on each other (most of the time). We hate on fatties, feminists, betas, and white knights. We don't hate on players. We're players that hate on whack shit.

[Screwston]

(07-27-2012 01:09 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

It really is a West Coast thing.

Every guy in the West Coast knows a guy with a fat crib, tricked out car, etc.

Im pretty sure everyone on here who's in a major city knows someone like that. Ahli just needs to go ahead and box Gman

[Kona]

I love the haters lounge thread.

Let's all give a special mahalo to El Mechanico for starting it.

In fact I'm giving El Mechanico a reputation point for making it, and you should too.

Aloha!