^I care about the Japanese soccer team.
Don't debate me.
Quote: (09-06-2016 07:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
This seems as good a thread as any to mention a recent observation of mine.
The final for the Women's Australian Football League was broadcast on free to air television recently and despite turning a rather sparse and anaemic the crowd audio seemed to indicate that it was a packed 100k stadium on steroids.
Every goal and mark was (apparently) met with thunderous applause, but when they screwed up and raised the cameras to show empty stands beyond the front rows it really revealed how desperate they are to push this nonsense.
Canned applause from non-existent crowds. Pathetic.
Quote: (09-05-2016 10:48 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:
One of the US dyke players is trying to ride the BLM gravy train...
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On Sunday, Rapinoe said her gesture was a nod towards Kaepernick. “It was very intentional,” Rapinoe told American Soccer Now after the game. “It was a little nod to Kaepernick and everything that he’s standing for right now. I think it’s actually pretty disgusting the way he was treated and the way that a lot of the media has covered it and made it about something that it absolutely isn’t. We need to have a more thoughtful, two-sided conversation about racial issues in this country.
“Being a gay American, I know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties. ...
Quote: (04-04-2017 10:01 PM)The White Wolf Wrote:
This isn't the first time the US women's national team has lost to a mens youth side. But 5-2 to Under 15 boys Academy really shows the ladies' prowess Don't expect to see this covered on SportsCenter
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-d...scrimmage/
Quote: (04-04-2017 10:01 PM)The White Wolf Wrote:
This isn't the first time the US women's national team has lost to a mens youth side. But 5-2 to Under 15 boys Academy really shows the ladies' prowess Don't expect to see this covered on SportsCenter
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-d...scrimmage/
Quote: (04-07-2017 09:38 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Quote: (04-04-2017 10:01 PM)The White Wolf Wrote:
This isn't the first time the US women's national team has lost to a mens youth side. But 5-2 to Under 15 boys Academy really shows the ladies' prowess Don't expect to see this covered on SportsCenter
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-d...scrimmage/
I just saw this on the Dailymail website.
What an embarrassment.
I love the way this got little publicity.
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This happens often. My La Jolla Nomads under-16 team murdered the USWNT that won the World Cup with Mia Hamm and Brandi Chastain 5-0 at the Olympic Training Center in San Diego right before they left for the tournament. We were simply too fast and strong for them to compete. Nothing against them, as they were the best of the best in women's soccer at the time and they represented America well.
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This is hardly surprising. My U14 boys teams (12 AND 13 YEAR OLDS) were faster and stronger than the U19 women's teams in our league, and we only played them a couple times because it seemed pointless beyond that. So now take a U15 team (14 year olds) against a women's team, and the boys are older, even faster and stronger than my 12 and 13 year olds -- what do you expect to happen? Doesn't matter if the USWNT was trying hard or not, they would have their hands full.
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As women have (literally and figuratively) entered the arena, and brought with them their own set of skills, strengths, and strategies, it's become clear that men's soccer is not the same sport as women's soccer.
It's often said that men's tennis and women's tennis are two completely different games. The men's game is about speed and power, whereas the women's game is about precision and strategy. It's not a clear dichotomy by any means, but there is a reason tennis doesn't involve matches between Serena Williams and Novak Djokovic - because the outcome would not only be fundamentally unfair, but utterly meaningless.
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The U.S. women's soccer team has filed a lawsuit against U.S. soccer, accusing it of gender discrimination.
The complaint, filed Friday in California district court, argues that U.S. Soccer "has a policy and practice of discriminating" against members of the women's national team on the basis of gender, by paying them less than similarly situated members of the men's team.
Twenty-eight members of the women's team are named as plaintiffs, including many of the sport's biggest stars: Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd and Megan Rapinoe. The lawsuit seeks to be a class action, representing other women who've played for the U.S. national team and who may have been denied equal pay for substantially equal work.
The issue of unequal pay has been a highly contentious matter in recent years, and the U.S. women's team has kept the pressure on U.S. Soccer. The women's team reached a new collective bargaining agreement with the federation in 2017.
Four of the plaintiffs — Morgan, Lloyd, Rapinoe and Becky Sauerbrunn — filed a charge of discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2016, on behalf of themselves and similarly situated players. But no progress was made, and last month, the EEOC issued letters giving the four the right to sue.
"Each of us is extremely proud to wear the United States jersey, and we also take seriously the responsibility that comes with that," Morgan said in a statement reported by The Associated Press. "We believe that fighting for gender equality in sports is a part of that responsibility. As players, we deserved to be paid equally for our work, regardless of our gender."
U.S. Women's Soccer Team Takes Next Step To World Cup
The filing comes on International Women's Day– and less than three months before the Women's World Cup kicks off in France. The U.S. women's team, currently ranked No. 1 in the world, hopes to defend the World Cup it won four years ago.
The U.S. Women's National Team, or USWNT, has consistently been more successful than the men's team. The U.S. women have won the World Cup three times and are four-time Olympic champions. The men's team has never won either tournament and failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
Despite their success and popularity, the women are paid less by U.S. Soccer than the men. The lawsuit details how the pay gap plays out in myriad ways: Women's players paid less for each "friendly" match, they're paid less for making the team's World Cup roster, and they're paid much less for their performance at the World Cup.
"A comparison of the WNT and MNT pay shows that if each team played 20 friendlies in a year and each team won all twenty friendlies," the complaint says, "female WNT players would earn a maximum of $99,000 or $4,950 per game, while similarly situated male MNT players would earn an average of $263,320 or $13,166 per game against the various levels of competition they would face." In other words, a top-tier women's player would earn just 38 percent of the compensation of a similarly situated player on the men's team.
But direct comparisons of compensation between the men and women can be tricky, as The New York Times notes: "Each team has its own collective bargaining agreement with U.S. Soccer, and among the major differences are pay structure: the men receive higher bonuses when they play for the United States, but are paid only when they make the team, while the women receive guaranteed salaries supplemented by smaller match bonuses."
Quote: (03-08-2019 05:03 PM)El Padrone Wrote:
U.S. Women's Soccer Team Sues U.S. Soccer For Gender Discrimination. Maybe someone can explain market economics to these people....
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The U.S. women's soccer team has filed a lawsuit against U.S. soccer, accusing it of gender discrimination.
The complaint, filed Friday in California district court, argues that U.S. Soccer "has a policy and practice of discriminating" against members of the women's national team on the basis of gender, by paying them less than similarly situated members of the men's team.
Twenty-eight members of the women's team are named as plaintiffs, including many of the sport's biggest stars: Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd and Megan Rapinoe. The lawsuit seeks to be a class action, representing other women who've played for the U.S. national team and who may have been denied equal pay for substantially equal work.
The issue of unequal pay has been a highly contentious matter in recent years, and the U.S. women's team has kept the pressure on U.S. Soccer. The women's team reached a new collective bargaining agreement with the federation in 2017.
Four of the plaintiffs — Morgan, Lloyd, Rapinoe and Becky Sauerbrunn — filed a charge of discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2016, on behalf of themselves and similarly situated players. But no progress was made, and last month, the EEOC issued letters giving the four the right to sue.
"Each of us is extremely proud to wear the United States jersey, and we also take seriously the responsibility that comes with that," Morgan said in a statement reported by The Associated Press. "We believe that fighting for gender equality in sports is a part of that responsibility. As players, we deserved to be paid equally for our work, regardless of our gender."
U.S. Women's Soccer Team Takes Next Step To World Cup
The filing comes on International Women's Day– and less than three months before the Women's World Cup kicks off in France. The U.S. women's team, currently ranked No. 1 in the world, hopes to defend the World Cup it won four years ago.
The U.S. Women's National Team, or USWNT, has consistently been more successful than the men's team. The U.S. women have won the World Cup three times and are four-time Olympic champions. The men's team has never won either tournament and failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
Despite their success and popularity, the women are paid less by U.S. Soccer than the men. The lawsuit details how the pay gap plays out in myriad ways: Women's players paid less for each "friendly" match, they're paid less for making the team's World Cup roster, and they're paid much less for their performance at the World Cup.
"A comparison of the WNT and MNT pay shows that if each team played 20 friendlies in a year and each team won all twenty friendlies," the complaint says, "female WNT players would earn a maximum of $99,000 or $4,950 per game, while similarly situated male MNT players would earn an average of $263,320 or $13,166 per game against the various levels of competition they would face." In other words, a top-tier women's player would earn just 38 percent of the compensation of a similarly situated player on the men's team.
But direct comparisons of compensation between the men and women can be tricky, as The New York Times notes: "Each team has its own collective bargaining agreement with U.S. Soccer, and among the major differences are pay structure: the men receive higher bonuses when they play for the United States, but are paid only when they make the team, while the women receive guaranteed salaries supplemented by smaller match bonuses."
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/08/701522635...rimination
Quote: (03-08-2019 05:03 PM)El Padrone Wrote:
U.S. Women's Soccer Team Sues U.S. Soccer For Gender Discrimination. Maybe someone can explain market economics to these people....
Quote: (03-09-2019 04:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:
The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.
Quote: (03-09-2019 04:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:
The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.
Quote: (03-09-2019 04:35 AM)El Padrone Wrote:
^ Those "tiny" Central American countries could wipe the floor with most teams in FIFA using only their B teams. I'm not sure about Canada, but i would not mention Mexico and Canada in the same sentence when talking soccer.
Quote: (03-09-2019 04:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:
The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.
Quote: (03-09-2019 10:03 AM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:
Quote: (03-09-2019 04:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:
The USA Women's team wins their World Cup, while the men's team can't even qualify for the World Cup in a group consisting of tiny Central American countries, Mexico, and Canada.
Credit where due.
This is the same argument the pro-USWNT feminists try to make. Yes, the women's team is better than the men's--relative to their respective level of competition. The men compete in the most popular sport in the world and, disastrous WCQ notwithstanding, are probably around the 25th-30th best team in the world. The women compete against like 8 other countries that actually even attempt to field competitive women's teams. As evidenced by the routine beatdowns of the USWNT by 14-year-old boys teams, the level of play isn't even comparable. This argument is akin to saying that players on the best team in a beer league should be paid better than a mid table club in the Premiership or Bundesliga.
There are other differences in the pay structure for the two. The men are paid by appearance with the national team, and aside from tournament bonus money it usually isn't a lot compared to what they make from their club teams. However, any eligible player can be called into the team. The women's team on the other hand has around 30 or permanently rostered players, they are paid a salary by the US Soccer Federation which includes subsidizing their salaries at their club teams--the non-USWNT players at these clubs get less than 10k/year mostly. Their CBA also effectively freezes the team's roster by limiting the number of appearances that can be given to players outside the roster of ~30 in any given year. Not only that, the limit is so low that it would effectively prevent a non-rostered player from participating in a major tournament like the Olympics or Women's WC (I think the coach can add new players to the roster once a year or maybe every other year). So, the players' greed in effect hinders the team's effectiveness--if a new young star were to emerge in the year of a WWC, she would effectively be barred from taking part by the established players' CBA.