[Roosh]

Harmless eye candy for men who want to eat some food? Or herb behavior for wanting to pay for female attention?

http://www.kpic.com/news/business/Hooter...80495.html

Quote:

Currently, more than three quarters of Hooters customers are male, with an average age of 45.

As part of the effort to improve its image, Henninger says Hooters is looking to showcase the life stories of its servers, many of whom are studying to go on to professional careers.

[Screwston]

Every guy I've known who loves these shitty food spots have no game at all. I guess they feel good when the girls flirt with them and show off their body. At least go to a titty bar if you want that.

[Basil Ransom]

(06-24-2012 06:02 PM)houston Wrote:  

Every guy I've known who loves these shitty food spots have no game at all. I guess they feel good when the girls flirt with them and show off their body. At least go to a titty bar if you want that.

This reminds me of the guys who'd go to see a movie because it had a hot girl in it. "Ohmygod dude, I went to see Transformers because it had Megan Fox in it!!" Dude, just beat off with free porn and then watch a real movie.

It seems like most men in America past 40 resign themselves to being fat and lame; then, they seek solace in flirting with cute waitresses, who play this little game in return for a nice tip. You always see this schtick at corporate events. Some fat old guy thinks ponying up a couple bills will make him look manly. And he won't even trip if he goes nowhere with a girl. It's enough that he 'knows' that she liked him. It's the reason why shit like this happens.

As for Hooters, it can be fun to kick back with friends and check out the waitresses. Just don't be the dude who feels like it's an accomplishment to flirt with a waitress.

[Tuthmosis]

(06-24-2012 06:02 PM)houston Wrote:  

Every guy I've known who loves these shitty food spots have no game at all. I guess they feel good when the girls flirt with them and show off their body. At least go to a titty bar if you want that.

Exactly my experience and observation. Two of my good (Indian) friends would always try to have our get-togethers be at one of these places. They would practically beg, so I'd occasionally give in. Once there, they would proceed to make lame remarks at the girls; take pictures of and with them; and talk about how they "would bang" this one or that one. Needless to say, they're married, have zero game, and would never have the opportunity to deliver on their hallow declarations.

These spots are like strip clubs, movies with hot chicks (as basil points out), and anything else that transparently and cynically manipulates beta-males' satisfaction with sexual placebos over the challenges, and pleasures, of real sex.

This harms us all.

[JofSuperman]

The guy that I respect is the owner of these breastaurants. He probably has his choice of women he hires.

[Tex Pro]

(06-24-2012 06:18 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

As for Hooters, it can be fun to kick back with friends and check out the waitresses. Just don't be the dude who feels like it's an accomplishment to flirt with a waitress.

I don't go to these "breastaurants" much, but have you ever had any luck pulling a waitress at Hooters?

I ask because it seems almost like a lost cause considering how many lame betas have inflated their egos.

[Icarus]

I never actually went to a Hooters in the U.S.; I just walked by and was not very impressed with the quality of the girls inside. However, in Poland they have a Hooters-like chain called Rooster, and the one in Krakow had a couple of really cute waitresses when I visited.

[Screwston]

On top of it, the food SUCKS and is overpriced from what I remember.

Free game tip - go to ethnic hole in the walls in neighborhoods that SWPL yuppies are afraid of. The food will be great and cheap. There's always young girls working that you can really practice your game on. I would advise going to fast food spots before Hooters or any other place that advertises itself with half naked girls if you want to get some pussy on top of your food.

[Basil Ransom]

(06-24-2012 06:25 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

These spots are like strip clubs, movies with hot chicks (as basil points out), and anything else that transparently and cynically manipulates beta-males' satisfaction with sexual placebos over the challenges, and pleasures, of real sex.

Yeah, that's why you can't trust the opinions or advice of lots of guys.

Success for You: a Bang. Blowjob at a bare minimum.

Success for Them: "she smiled at me." "She told her friend I'm cute." "She gave me her number." "We hugged." "She let me buy her a drink." "She said yes to dinner." Then they'll relay the shitty game that got them those results, as if it were the philosopher's stone of pussy hunting.

I'll listen to them talk and I'll say, "Yeah, but *did you bang her*?" Out come the excuses, the rationalizations, even accusing me of being crass. "Dude, why are you so obsessed with sex?"

Being a player is humbling like that. You know that it's the bang that counts. All the other stuff that would pump a guy's ego, you give it a jaded look, and say "whatever, we'll see."

I've flirted with waitresses, but it's almost always so perfunctory on their part that I don't bother to push it. Certain hot girls will flirt with you, and you just know they have no intention of fucking you, they're just toying with you. Waitresses are like that. Stay aloof, spit a little game off-handedly, but don't expect much.

[HeyPete]

(06-24-2012 07:27 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 06:25 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

These spots are like strip clubs, movies with hot chicks (as basil points out), and anything else that transparently and cynically manipulates beta-males' satisfaction with sexual placebos over the challenges, and pleasures, of real sex.

Yeah, that's why you can't trust the opinions or advice of lots of guys.

Success for You: a Bang. Blowjob at a bare minimum.

Success for Them: "she smiled at me." "She told her friend I'm cute." "She gave me her number." "We hugged." "She let me buy her a drink." "She said yes to dinner." Then they'll relay the shitty game that got them those results, as if it were the philosopher's stone of pussy hunting.

I'll listen to them talk and I'll say, "Yeah, but *did you bang her*?" Out come the excuses, the rationalizations, even accusing me of being crass. "Dude, why are you so obsessed with sex?"

Being a player is humbling like that. You know that it's the bang that counts. All the other stuff that would pump a guy's ego, you give it a jaded look, and say "whatever, we'll see."

....

I always ask if they got the goods and I almost always get that "obsessed" remark. Mostly when shaming some co-workers on going to strip clubs.

They get pissed.

I usually finish the convo with something like this. "If I wanted to pay some chick to show me her butthole, I'd go over to your Mom's."

[Screwston]

Haha yeah, most guys think you're creepy and a pervert for not settling for a kiss or anything less than sex/head. You have to remember that the average guy would rather go to prison than approach girls while sober. Very clueless.

[Excelsior]

(06-24-2012 07:27 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Yeah, that's why you can't trust the opinions or advice of lots of guys.

Success for You: a Bang. Blowjob at a bare minimum.

Success for Them: "she smiled at me." "She told her friend I'm cute." "She gave me her number." "We hugged." "She let me buy her a drink." "She said yes to dinner." Then they'll relay the shitty game that got them those results, as if it were the philosopher's stone of pussy hunting.

I'll listen to them talk and I'll say, "Yeah, but *did you bang her*?" Out come the excuses, the rationalizations, even accusing me of being crass. "Dude, why are you so obsessed with sex?"

Being a player is humbling like that. You know that it's the bang that counts. All the other stuff that would pump a guy's ego, you give it a jaded look, and say "whatever, we'll see."

I could never put my finger on this dynamic during my first year or two of college, but you've described it perfectly here.

I recall once having a conversation with a fraternity brother and a teammate that went almost exactly along these lines. He was a good guy, gal-pal to many girls and most certainly an uber-beta, but very well known and liked by many on campus (He DJ'ed quite a bit at local frat parties).

We're leaving the frat when he goes into his advice giving mode, something he liked to do.
"See, Athlone, it isn't that hard to succeed with girls." He says. "Its as simple as this. Here's how I do it".
He began to motion with his hands as we walked, as though he were approaching someone.

"I go up to her. I say hi. I grab her hand, and then..." his voice kind of lowered and softened here, almost the way it does when someone is speaking about some past, deep, intimate, and profound memory. "...we dance."
By this time we're still walking, and he's making a little motion with his body with his eyes closed and head down as though he were actually dancing slowly with some girl. After 3-5 seconds I guessed he was done, so I interrupted his reverie fairly bluntly.

"Yeah, dude, but do you fuck them?" (actually exactly what I said, no paraphrase/copy here)

"What do you mean "do I fuck them?"

"You dance with them, but do you ever fuck them?"
It was an honest question at the time, since I'd recently learned from peers that this guy had a rep for having tons of female friends (again, a very well-known guy/campus DJ, and not a gay one either), but almost never getting laid. I was curious. It was (and still is) downright normal for guys on campus, even apparently high-status ones, to end up in such a situation for most of their time there, though most knew fewer girls than this dude. They got friendzoned by a half-dozen or perhaps a dozen girls with whom they were acquainted, not the 50-60+ this guy knew.

"No, Athlone, that isn't the point!"
"How is it not the point?"
At this point, he simply gives me his patented "you've-got-a-lot-to-learn" look, complete with an abundance of head-shaking to signal disappointment. He then moved on, muttering "Athlone, Athlone, Athlone..." before trailing off towards his dorm while I continued to mine in another direction. I'd have this kind of conversation several times that year.

I was far from alpha at this stage in my life (late freshman year) due to naivete, inexperience, "nice guy"isms and desperation. At the same time, I can see now that in spite of all of that I was one of the only guys around who held myself to the type of standard Basil outlined above (BJ/sex is success, smile/hug are not). Of all the 100+ D1 Football players I could call "teammate" at the time, only a handful really appeared to do the same. Most were, in hindsight, of a similar mind to this guy.
I was still prone to oneitis with some girls at this time and this standard went away when that hit (it'd have me doing dinner dates and being ok with them for a while), but generally when I went out on a normal weekend I had no intention of being ok with a hug or platonic dance the way my peers all were. Success required far more than that.

It was odd, because my peers would regularly ridicule me in groups (to the point of it becoming a running frat joke) for holding this type of mentality and "caring too much", using pretty much exactly the same language outlined above ("dude, why are you so obessed with sex?")? Back then, this left me questioning myself. Over time, I began to see that, while I was no Casanova back then and had a lot of bad habits, there wasn't much more to be said about them either.

In fact, there isn't much to be said about 85% of dudes out there when it comes to game, even the ones who look the part of the high-status guy.

[hoops330]

You mean to tell me that those waitresses are extra friendly and flirty towards me because they want a better tip rather than being genuinely interested in me? I don't buy it.

[Catch 22]

I'd actually rather go to a Hooter's than be one of the DC guys competing for the fat 5's. They're probably just taking the best they can get, which sadly is a hug from a waitress.

[Hooligan Harry]

I actually looked into Hooters because I wanted to open one up. The problem with Hooters is that even they are keen to get the things going out here, you needed to owner operate, like McDonalds. So you cant open it and let someone else manage it. With all the horny miners here in Perth, I figured it would be a real money spinner.

I did a ton of research on them and their basic business model, and its interesting how it plays to the Herb mindset. While its clearly all about the girls, they spend a ton on marketing it as a family restaurant. The reason is not to attract families, its because they know that wives rule the roost, and they crap out over husbands and men going to strip clubs or places where attractive women act provocatively. Hooters offers up tits and hot waitresses for the men, but they create this family friendly image because they know that their primary customer base has their balls in a fucking vice. So everything they have do is about creating the appearance of it being a fun gimmick for the whole family, just to buy the guys the leeway they need to go and have a perv.

Ironically, its those sorts of guys who would be attracted to Hooters in the first place.

Hooters is to restaurants what The Man Show is to television. An excuse for guys like this....



... to get their kicks and store a few things up in their wank bank so they have a better image in their heads when they get their monthly sex from their wives.

[Tex Pro]

(06-25-2012 12:31 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

I actually looked into Hooters because I wanted to open one up. The problem with Hooters is that even they are keen to get the things going out here, you needed to owner operate, like McDonalds. So you cant open it and let someone else manage it. With all the horny miners here in Perth, I figured it would be a real money spinner.

I did a ton of research on them and their basic business model, and its interesting how it plays to the Herb mindset. While its clearly all about the girls, they spend a ton on marketing it as a family restaurant. The reason is not to attract families, its because they know that wives rule the roost, and they crap out over husbands and men going to strip clubs or places where attractive women act provocatively. Hooters offers up tits and hot waitresses for the men, but they create this family friendly image because they know that their primary customer base has their balls in a fucking vice. So everything they have do is about creating the appearance of it being a fun gimmick for the whole family, just to buy the guys the leeway they need to go and have a perv.

Ironically, its those sorts of guys who would be attracted to Hooters in the first place.

Hooters is to restaurants what The Man Show is to television. An excuse for guys like this....



... to get their kicks and store a few things up in their wank bank so they have a better image in their heads when they get their monthly sex from their wives.

[BortimusPrime]

I can relate to Athlone's story. I was getting a string of okcupid stinkers and made the mistake of asking a friend about his okc strategy and somehow that resulted into him "taking me under his wing", which I didn't mind humoring until we hit the bars and he started giving me "advice" within earshot of girls, at which point it became irritating. To top it off, here's the advice I got:

1. Always write a really long first message, you'll stand out by sending a three paragraph email instead of just tossing off a couple sentences.

2. Never use humor, you should be serious with girls online.

3. Always make sure to pay for their meal/drinks so they know you can take charge.

Definitely reinforced my theory that "naturals" don't know how they're doing it.

[Rurik]

wank bank....haha

[Scott]

This thread is golden.

I think when the term 'AFC' was first coined it was to refer to pretty much anyone who doesn't get laid frequently, gets oneitus and so on - from your 90%-of-all-males beta to the omega with no life aside from wanking to anime. I think as our knowledge of Game has grown, members of this forum in particular have this... savviness about the workings of other men, probably because we're all actually fairly popular with other guys - unlike the traditional 'PUA' who ends up having to style himself as a loner.

This also means that, as demonstrated above, our own experience of witnessing other guys has also led for us to pick up on the patterns as highlighted by Athlone, Basil and Tuth in this thread.

We acknowledge that your typical beta isn't just the guy you see at the bar, holding his drink up to his chest and nervously avoiding eye contact with anyone; he's also the guy who thinks that a Hooters girl asking for his order (or whatever the fuck they do) is classed as 'flirting'. On the flip side, he's also the guy who won't even go for the kiss because he rationalises it as he doesn't want to look 'sex-obsessed'. These are the same guys who would have been classed as AFCs a decade ago, but now it's more like they're... Male Hamsters - backwards rationalising everything to fool themselves that they have Game. Self-deception at its finest.

[el mechanico]

We have this one here too in addition to the original hooters in Clearwater
http://www.winghouse.com/winghouse-girls/
Hooters tried to sue them. My younger cousins use the place as their goto place for day game and date one waitress after the next

[MikeCF]

You can make more money telling lies than telling truths.

Hooters sells men the fantasy that they are sexually relevant to attractive women.

[Timoteo]

I went to the Hooters on West 56th street in NYC once out of curiousity years ago. It's an amusing place, and I guess their goal is to give gumps a place to go to be "men." Put the games on the tv, and have scantily-clad girls serve them and chat them up. A nice formula. Women won't want to go there because they "exploit" women (the real reason is the waitresses are hotter than them, and can't stand to be in any place where other women will get more attention). The one in Manhattan, because of the location, draws a lot of suits for lunch and after work, tourists, and guys that want to watch games.

Does anyone know if Hooters Air is still in operation? They've also branched into hotels - has anyone here stayed at one yet?

[Excelsior]

(06-25-2012 03:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Hooters sells men the fantasy that they are sexually relevant to attractive women.

Not unlike mainstream porn, though it is admittedly much less controversial.

[MrXY]

I've eaten at Hooters twice in my life-both times the food was appalling.

From my observation, guys who go to Hooters are either office betas or sports fan rubes, who are thrilled to have an attractive girl even speak to them.

There are two Hooters in my town and this thread has given me an idea for a game experiment.

I'll go to Hooters once or twice a week, drink a couple of beers, and practice total hardcore asshole/ignore game on the waitresses. Since they are used to nothing but supplication and pervy looks from the usual clientele, it might be fun to see what responses I get. Maybe I'll even go suited down. Should be a real "hoot."

[porscheguy]

(06-25-2012 05:44 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I went to the Hooters on West 56th street in NYC once out of curiousity years ago. It's an amusing place, and I guess their goal is to give gumps a place to go to be "men." Put the games on the tv, and have scantily-clad girls serve them and chat them up. A nice formula. Women won't want to go there because they "exploit" women (the real reason is the waitresses are hotter than them, and can't stand to be in any place where other women will get more attention). The one in Manhattan, because of the location, draws a lot of suits for lunch and after work, tourists, and guys that want to watch games.

Does anyone know if Hooters Air is still in operation? They've also branched into hotels - has anyone here stayed at one yet?

I think Hooters Air died with Bob Brooks.