[Veloce]

I haven't been to NYC in a few years but I'm always suspicious of blanket statements like the OP. I understand if you lived there and you certainly have a frame of reference, but I'm curious, what was it like 10 years ago? Maybe what you're experiencing there applies to American urban cities in general?

I've had plenty of nights where I'm convinced that L.A. is a huge cock fest, and other nights, complete anomalies, where there is a glorious female heavy ratio. I don't know why it happens, but it's more about being at a certain time and place and trying to replicate those factors. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work...

[nomadicdude]

what was it like 10 years ago?

I don't recall massive bitch shields and I felt like the ratios were better back then. It is of course impossible to really prove this but I still think NYC has gone down simply because word got out that it was a good place for guys.

[babelfish669]

NYC wins in logistics and volume. You can meet girls any day of the week, at almost any hour. Girls don't drive and neither do you. Doesn't matter if you fail, because you just keep going.

Someone who says that there are too many dudes is going to the wrong venue on the wrong day of the week.

NYC is hard if you sound like a redneck, look like a troll, or have the masculinity of a snail.

[trainwreck]

(06-24-2012 09:55 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

NY is for guys that are:

1. Good Looking
2. Have Solid Game
3. Financially Successful
   

You must have 2 out of the 3 to do well with women in NY.
Your weakest category must also be better than average.

If you can't do well in NY, you really need to step back from dating and work on improving yourself in those 3 area's.

wait, aren't those 3 things what hooking up with women is all about?


about NYC: PUH-LEAASE.

Word has gotten out? It's freaking NYC. Every single person on the planet wants to go for at least once. It's easy as fuck to get laid in the west village if you have some game and are suited up. Or grab a bottle with your friends at some club and just wave the girls to your table... or go to a shitty ass bar in the east village and pick up some hipster chicks... so many different options and they're all 5-10 minutes cab rides away coupled with rather very slutty girls. Where else can you get this?!

[Kid Strangelove]

As a new yorker I can back this up, somewhat.



New York City is like pro wrestling - if you don't have a good gimmick then good skills might not even get you anywhere.

For example, you have your guys that are punk rockers, artists and musicians, that's a niche.
You have club promoters - they are GOLDEN at getting that 8+ slutty club girl ass AND making money from it.
You have rich guys who are the only other people, besides the promoters, that have access to the 8+ club sluts - that's a gimmick
You have guys like me - who exploit okcupid - that's a gimmick.

And this city is GOLDEN for daygame, but if you're a working man, then day game isnt really an option, and you're stuck at happy hours and sausage fest bars.

So yeah - GIMMICK.

Although i have recently started following some hipster Brooklyn scenes so i'll report back on that when i can.

[el mechanico]

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:  

As a new yorker I can back this up, somewhat.



New York City is like pro wrestling - if you don't have a good gimmick then good skills might not even get you anywhere.

For example, you have your guys that are punk rockers, artists and musicians, that's a niche.
You have club promoters - they are GOLDEN at getting that 8+ slutty club girl ass AND making money from it.
You have rich guys who are the only other people, besides the promoters, that have access to the 8+ club sluts - that's a gimmick
You have guys like me - who exploit okcupid - that's a gimmick.

And this city is GOLDEN for daygame, but if you're a working man, then day game isnt really an option, and you're stuck at happy hours and sausage fest bars.

So yeah - GIMMICK.

Although i have recently started following some hipster Brooklyn scenes so i'll report back on that when i can.

My gimmick was the Rich Connecticut kid/guy. Works like a charm but gets you in many fights

[soup]

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:  

As a new yorker I can back this up, somewhat.



New York City is like pro wrestling - if you don't have a good gimmick then good skills might not even get you anywhere.

For example, you have your guys that are punk rockers, artists and musicians, that's a niche.
You have club promoters - they are GOLDEN at getting that 8+ slutty club girl ass AND making money from it.
You have rich guys who are the only other people, besides the promoters, that have access to the 8+ club sluts - that's a gimmick
You have guys like me - who exploit okcupid - that's a gimmick.

And this city is GOLDEN for daygame, but if you're a working man, then day game isnt really an option, and you're stuck at happy hours and sausage fest bars.

So yeah - GIMMICK.

Although i have recently started following some hipster Brooklyn scenes so i'll report back on that when i can.

Yes, find out what you are good at, and maximize this instead of trying to be something that you're not good at yet.

Exploit the obvious.

It's better to have clear tribal identifications then to be in an in-between vibe.

[the28]

Never been to NYC.

Well if you must to be an artist or a club promoter in order to have a choice of hot chicks, that doesn't really make it a good place does it?
Good place in my book= If you are rather good looking and have game and you are not broke, you have good choice. Isn't that what a good place is?
How would a guy like that do in NYC? I am interested.

[Caligula]

(06-24-2012 08:53 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

So basically, you're saying if you have great game, NYC is awesome, but if you don't have great game, you're fucked.

Which is basically the same as saying it's hard to get laid there.

That is not what I'm saying. I'm trying to break down the pros and cons.

Game moves faster in New York but the up-front hurdle is higher. Getting a girl's attention is hard (tight game needed) but once you're spending time with her there's not much resistance to putting out.

Add to that the sheer variety of the place which makes it easier for you to find your niche. Figuring out your niche (/ gimmick) and spending some time getting into it requires more up-front investment, more trial and error, higher tolerance for rejection and outright snotty attitudes than most other places I've been to.

This is a why it's difficult to do a generally applicable datasheet for NYC. It depends so much on your vibe and who you're going for and what your vibe is.

But once you're on a roll in NY it's rinse & repeat with a steady stream of fresh girls.

[JayMillz]

IMO, there is no cookie cutter method because everyone has different likes and dislikes and brings something different to the table. I started having sex at 13 in NYC and never needed a trick or gimmick to get laid. I prefer to be myself cause I'm happier that way. If a chic is not feeling my vibe, there will always be another and another ... the density/volume and stuff to do in NYC makes it virtually impossible not to get laid (like someone else said). Your biggest issue sometimes is not bedding drama queens or chics that will cause you more of a headache in the long run because of jealousy/baggage, etc.

With all the female dancers, models, tourists, immigrants, etc. that come to NYC, dudes never cross my mind. If you're decent looking with decent convo, it shouldn't be too difficult to pull. Obviously, it helps sometimes if you and the chics like the same stuff. For instance, I love to dance and dancing is a good way to pull chics, but I do it cause I like it and not cause it might get me laid. Depends on what you like. There are a lot of horny women that want to get boned.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(06-25-2012 07:29 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

IMO, there is no cookie cutter method because everyone has different likes and dislikes and brings something different to the table. I started having sex at 13 in NYC and never needed a trick or gimmick to get laid. I prefer to be myself cause I'm happier that way. If a chic is not feeling my vibe, there will always be another and another ... the density/volume and stuff to do in NYC makes it virtually impossible not to get laid (like someone else said). Your biggest issue sometimes is not bedding drama queens or chics that will cause you more of a headache in the long run because of jealousy/baggage, etc.

With all the female dancers, models, tourists, immigrants, etc. that come to NYC, dudes never cross my mind. If you're decent looking with decent convo, it shouldn't be too difficult to pull. Obviously, it helps sometimes if you and the chics like the same stuff. For instance, I love to dance and dancing is a good way to pull chics, but I do it cause I like it and not cause it might get me laid. Depends on what you like. There are a lot of horny women that want to get boned.

You are an outlier and most likely a natural. I have a feeling that a lot of guys who say NYC is easy are naturals as well. Also, Didn't you post before that you banged a chick for free in Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica? Even Mixx who is half man/half Amazing admited that he had to pay for pussy over there. My point is that it isn't easy to bang Dimes(7-10) in NYC if you are just an AVERAGE guy with average game. Caligula is 1000% right, you do need a gimmick/angle/niche if you want to depend on something other than dumb luck to get quality bangs. I know tons of average looking guys in NYC who aren't getting any pussy. NYC can give a very unforgiving place for beta chodes. Even fat hoodrats won't fuck you if your game is not up to par. Also, by looking at an informal poll of Facebook "friends" out of about 100 guys I see in a relantionship I can only count like 4 of them whose chicks are bona fide dimes. Most of them are less than a 5 and I have low standards!!! This is the reason as a native New Yorker I am very skeptical when I read here that its "easy" to bang quality puss in NYC. What I see on the ground doesn't match what I am reading on this thread and others.

Of course there are a ton of dimes in NYC but it isn't the average guy with an average job with an average Game whose banging them. NYC isn't like any other city in fly-over country where being "Alpha" is all you need in order to fuck the home coming queen in the ass.The bottom line is the competition for dimes up here is tough so your game better be Afghanistan virgin tight. Ironically, its easier to get laid elsewhere when you say you are from NYC.

[JayMillz]

(06-26-2012 06:55 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Of course there are a ton of dimes in NYC but it isn't the average guy with an average job with an average Game whose banging them. NYC isn't like any other city in fly-over country where being "Alpha" is all you need in order to fuck the home coming queen in the ass.The bottom line is the competition for dimes up here is tough so your game better be Afghanistan virgin tight. Ironically, its easier to get laid elsewhere when you say you are from NYC.

I see your point. I guess I take certain things for granted. However, I still wouldn't call NYC a "cock festival." The punany is there, but it's up to each guy to figure out how to get it. Having good circles of friends and associates helps. NYC can be a tough place, in general, but once you find your grove, you can really get on a roll because of the density.

[[email protected]]

I find that NYC is very much a dice roll when it comes to girl/guy ratio. A given location can have bountiful poon one night, yet the exact same spot will be a cockfest one week later. The only consistency I've found is that weekends, with a few exceptions, turn into huge cock fests on weekends after 2:00 AM. The exceptions tend to be larger or more difficult to get into clubs*; Webster Hall, Kiss and Fly, etc.

*The big exception to this being Pacha which, while open to 6:00 or 7:00 AM, tends to turn into a super-gay sweaty cockfest around 2:30 AM. In contrast most other places turn into a sweaty cockfest- but at least you don't have guys squeezing your biceps or grabbing your ass if you're good looking......

[deepcov3r]

(06-26-2012 07:05 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

I see your point. I guess I take certain things for granted. However, I still wouldn't call NYC a "cock festival."

Out of curiosity, would you mind saying how old/tall/movie-star handsome you are?

Getting laid easily in NY is an appealing fantasy for me. Also, if you started at 13, I imagine you have deep and wide social networks.

[JayMillz]

(06-26-2012 11:19 PM)deepcov3r Wrote:  

Out of curiosity, would you mind saying how old/tall/movie-star handsome you are?

I don't consider myself handsome so it's not about that. I'm 6ft2 and athletic, to answer your question. Also, I've seen ugly dudes pull a lot in NYC if they have the right "swag" and good convo. It's not always about looks.

I never know what a woman is thinking when she comes on to me or likes my flirting. There are enough women in NYC that you will eventually find your niche, so to speak. I find that I meet more women when I'm doing things I like and not sweating them.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(06-26-2012 10:03 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I find that NYC is very much a dice roll when it comes to girl/guy ratio. A given location can have bountiful poon one night, yet the exact same spot will be a cockfest one week later. The only consistency I've found is that weekends, with a few exceptions, turn into huge cock fests on weekends after 2:00 AM. The exceptions tend to be larger or more difficult to get into clubs*; Webster Hall, Kiss and Fly, etc.

*The big exception to this being Pacha which, while open to 6:00 or 7:00 AM, tends to turn into a super-gay sweaty cockfest around 2:30 AM. In contrast most other places turn into a sweaty cockfest- but at least you don't have guys squeezing your biceps or grabbing your ass if you're good looking......

Fuck that, That shit is for the birds. It took me almost 10 years to figure out that clubbing on the weekends in Manhattan in particular is a waste of my hard earned post tax income. Unless you rolling with the set(manager,Dj, promoter) and have some major DHV so you can differentiate yourself from the 100's of thristy striped shirt clad masses, you are going to go home alone to jerk off at 3am. It's a little different(just a little but not by much) in Latin/Black clubs in the outer boroughs but don't expect for lizards to be throwing pussy at you.

I rarely go to clubs now but if i do, I only go in the middle of the week. The staff is more courteous and Bitch shields are way lower. Bottom line, you really need to find your fishbowl in NYC cuz spitting game at random chicks in Union Square during the day and doing the exact same thing on a Friday night at Webster Hall is the hard way of doing it.

[velkrum]

JayMillz Wrote:

I don't consider myself handsome so it's not about that. I'm 6ft2 and athletic

This alone places you in the upper echelon of men.
And if you are a cool guy with a decent job (your own place) you are probably swimmin' in women.

[j r]

This thread is getting out of hand. JayMillz says that he gets laid consistently in New York and dudes act like he made some incredible statement about being 7ft tall and having a diamond-studded cock. It’s not like he’s claiming that he rolls into Gold Bar once a week and walks out with two Ford models. Dude has a social life, knows how to talk to women and isn’t afraid to make moves. You don’t have to be some ungodly combination of Tyson Beckford, Mark Ronson, and Derek Jeter to get laid in New York. Right now in New York, some 24yo finance dude is telling his buddies about the chick he pulled from Sutton Place last night. Right now in New York, some Bronx cat is beating a pair of fine Dominican cheeks. Right now in New York there’s some jackass barista is still passed out in bed next to a cute little art student he met at a café. These dudes aren't particularly exceptional, they just have certain level of game.

As for the original claim that New York has been ruined… what does that even mean? The only time that New York has ever been “found out” is when Peter Minuit bought Manhattan Island for $24 for in beads and used rubbers, or however that story goes. There’s mad songs, movies, tv shows about New York being a make it or break it kind of place. People have been coming to New York to seek their fortune, literally for hundreds of years.

Here’s the bottom line. New York, as far as women go, is the land of opportunity. It’s not the Philippines or Bangkok where chicks are going to line up to fellate your broke ass just cause you have an American passport and aren’t an obvious herb. NYC is a different kind of poosy paradise. The average dude might struggle, but even he will eventually land a few dates and a girlfriend of roughly the same attractiveness. For a dude with game, though, that isht is wide open like Ke$ha’s vaj.

Any man with game should be able to roll into New York and be able to consistently catch a rap with girls a notch above him. A male 6 with game should be able to fairly easily bang NY 6s and 7s. Any man with game who actually lives in New York or spends enough time to lock it down should be able to consistently score girls two notches above him. If you cannot do that, then you just don’t have game. That’s it.

[WestCoast]

(06-27-2012 10:00 AM)j r Wrote:  

This thread is getting out of hand. JayMillz says that he gets laid consistently in New York and dudes act like he made some incredible statement about being 7ft tall and having a diamond-studded cock. It’s not like he’s claiming that he rolls into Gold Bar once a week and walks out with two Ford models. Dude has a social life, knows how to talk to women and isn’t afraid to make moves. You don’t have to be some ungodly combination of Tyson Beckford, Mark Ronson, and Derek Jeter to get laid in New York. Right now in New York, some 24yo finance dude is telling his buddies about the chick he pulled from Sutton Place last night. Right now in New York, some Bronx cat is beating a pair of fine Dominican cheeks. Right now in New York there’s some jackass barista is still passed out in bed next to a cute little art student he met at a café. These dudes aren't particularly exceptional, they just have certain level of game.

As for the original claim that New York has been ruined… what does that even mean? The only time that New York has ever been “found out” is when Peter Minuit bought Manhattan Island for $24 for in beads and used rubbers, or however that story goes. There’s mad songs, movies, tv shows about New York being a make it or break it kind of place. People have been coming to New York to seek their fortune, literally for hundreds of years.

Here’s the bottom line. New York, as far as women go, is the land of opportunity. It’s not the Philippines or Bangkok where chicks are going to line up to fellate your broke ass just cause you have an American passport and aren’t an obvious herb. NYC is a different kind of poosy paradise. The average dude might struggle, but even he will eventually land a few dates and a girlfriend of roughly the same attractiveness. For a dude with game, though, that isht is wide open like Ke$ha’s vaj.

Any man with game should be able to roll into New York and be able to consistently catch a rap with girls a notch above him. A male 6 with game should be able to fairly easily bang NY 6s and 7s. Any man with game who actually lives in New York or spends enough time to lock it down should be able to consistently score girls two notches above him. If you cannot do that, then you just don’t have game. That’s it.

I agree with the majority of this and believe the biggest factor here is number of approaches. The good and bad thing about NYC is they are very quick to judge. I went into one bar on lower east and had a few blow outs "wow you are really eye fucking me get out of here" and had the very next one making out within 15 minutes. Basically, if you have high approach anxiety and have a big ego that will be destroyed by being turned down, NYC is not for you.

On the other hand with decent game, finding the right venue and approaching like crazy... You'll be absolutely fine.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(06-27-2012 10:00 AM)j r Wrote:  

Any man with game should be able to roll into New York and be able to consistently catch a rap with girls a notch above him. A male 6 with game should be able to fairly easily bang NY 6s and 7s. Any man with game who actually lives in New York or spends enough time to lock it down should be able to consistently score girls two notches above him. If you cannot do that, then you just don’t have game. That’s it.

I disagree. This is like Mitt Romney saying that if you aren't yet a billionaire something is inherently wrong with you. We are talking about averages here. The average guy I see in Manhattan is dating a chick at his same rating or dating down.NYC isn't like Latin America, where you see local guys who look like trolls with cute little mamasitas. Once you step out into the outer boroughs, the disparity between attractiveness of the couple is so lopsided is not even funny. I see very good looking Rican and Black guys with chicks so fat they look like they belong in a petting zoo. I won't even get into the girls some Mexican and Central American guys be rolling with.

My point is that you aren't fucking chicks in NYC who are a notch above or more you unless your Game is tight. Unless you are natural, tight Game isn't trivial and takes years to develop. An "interesting" job (fireman,tour guide, DJ, selling crappy CD's at Time Square)can help to compensate for lackluster Game because chicks will gravitate towards you.

The only advice I have for new comers to the Big Apple is to try to "fit in where you can fit in." Find out which ethinicity/niche naturally finds you already attractive and target the dimes within that group and build your confidence from there. Because nothing can destroy your self ste
em faster than being rejected for the 100th time on the #3 train and you can't figure out what you doing wrong.

[WestCoast]

I wish we had a definition for "average man" for RVF that seriously should be on the forum. All you really need to do is man up and approach at night, get your looks together and spend maybe $60 a night and you'll be fine. That's in manhattan.

$15 cab
$5-10 cover for say a lounge where the floor plan is good to dance + talk and alternate
3-4 drinks sticking with beer and you're at around $60, 80 is super safe.

So with that said if you can't save up $100 a week to go out... You probably shouldn't be trying to pull in the big apple.

My definition of average man in NYC is $60K a year, living with roomates, out of college, has $400 to blow per month on drinks/whatever.

[velkrum]

Average man:

1. Unattractive (no muscle / bad facial features)
2. Decent or Great game
3. Makes just enough money to live independently with a low quality of life

[j r]

(06-27-2012 01:17 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I wish we had a definition for "average man" for RVF that seriously should be on the forum. All you really need to do is man up and approach at night, get your looks together and spend maybe $60 a night and you'll be fine. That's in manhattan.

$15 cab
$5-10 cover for say a lounge where the floor plan is good to dance + talk and alternate
3-4 drinks sticking with beer and you're at around $60, 80 is super safe.

So with that said if you can't save up $100 a week to go out... You probably shouldn't be trying to pull in the big apple.

My definition of average man in NYC is $60K a year, living with roomates, out of college, has $400 to blow per month on drinks/whatever.

I was that guy, except I was making half of that, am not particularly good-looking, and had absolutely no game and I still managed to get laid by chicks about my level a couple-few times a year. Granted, this was a decade ago.

[Kid Strangelove]

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe NYC is just one big mindfuck.

It's supposed to be an achievement to live in this city and an "honor" or "right of passage" to pay stupid money to live in a closet.
And to be honest - there are times the mindfuck begins to play out in front of me - is the fact that the bars and clubs i go to are sausage fests filled with 6'es somehow my fault? Why is it that every other place that I visit (let's say... Florida and Atlanta), when i go to an "average" bar or club, as an outsider, not spending much money and not knowing a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy, do I manage to have a good time with HOTTER girls.



But just as you realize that your living conditions are not as ideal as you lead yourself to believe and you start questioning everything - a carrot is dangled right in front of you.
This carrot is usually found in the form of a really hot girl, a 10/10 stunner, walking on the street, not in the bars where your plebeian self is never allowed in. Or last week, in my case, from that same 10/10 model (actual model living in a "model apartment" on her way to bookings) lost and confused by the NYC subway system. I chatted with her, and it wasn't the smoothest chat - i was hung over from the night before, and the 100 degree heat did not combine well with my "work attire" (i was a sweaty fuck), but somehow i got her phone number. I was fucking elated. Now, a week later, she hasn't answered any texts. But yet I'm positive if i was just a bit less hung over and a bit less sweaty, i would be with her right now, and that keeps me jazzed up till my next interaction.
Another carrot are the reporters and outsiders - often you read headline like "NYC has 4312 times more single women than men?? Why do women have it so hard?". And all your friends, like all of you on the forum, are saying "NYC is easy you must suck, lawlz". So you figure yeah, there must be something wrong with me, and then you grind it out


Roosh, I think your readers would actually enjoy you living in NYC for a bit and experiencing what it has to offer, good and bad, so we can get your perspective on it.

Humorous Onion article somewhat related: http://www.theonion.com/articles/84-mill...k-c,18003/

[hypesession]

I definitely think roosh should live in new york for six months. That would be awesome.