[Citizen_Boris]

O.K. now, I love being on this forum, it's invaluable, but some of the things people write, and argue about, are infuriating. It's the primary reason I post very little.

On the one hand, folks should word things better, on the other, they should stop this pseudo intellectual B.S.

I would have changed this paragraph slightly to:

(06-20-2012 05:00 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

Guys from PT, ES, IT can look more Northern European than some German guys. There's a lot more Germanic and Scandinavian heritage in the northern part of these countries than you'd imagine.

I think it reads better like this, please don't think I'm being an arse, I actually agree with you...

Now, here's the reply...

(06-20-2012 05:34 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

Not really, there are some celtic blood in northern spain/italy and for the most part those fair types in spain/italy, etc look like the other countrymen but just with lighter pigmentation. The exception might be in some areas of sud-tyrol that used to belong to austria but were anexed to italy (hence germanic speaking italians). There are hardly scandinavian/german heritage in southern europe.

A few of those light spaniards might somewhat roman/celto-germanic mixes like britishmen,northern french, wallons, but they wont pass for "very" germanic looking groups (scandinavian, dutch, northern germans etc).

Anyways we are talking about averages, and on average you can always spot the southern european group of guys walking down anywhere on north of alps and west of france.

This response just makes no sense. The guy was simply remarking how you'd be surprised how easily a Northern Spanish guy etc. COULD blend in whilst in Germany... The point he was trying to make was that not everyone is fitting an Aryan superman image in Germany, and nor is everyone in Spain or Portugal dark haired and tanned... You don't have to intellectualise it so much...You also don't have to read everything literally... I totally understood the point being made without having to resort to an argument.


At the end of your paragraph, you say there's hardly any Scandinavian/German heritage in Southern Europe... I find this a slightly odd statement given the Norman expansion into the Med. especially on Sicily... Corsica, and down into Southern Italy... and on to Cyprus... I'm not saying it altered the gene pool for the fairer, but, if you're splitting hairs, and you clearly are... You can't ignore this.

While I'm on the subject, let's not confuse Celtic and Scandinavian.

Oh, and being one of those funny mixed race "britishmen" I can tell you for a fact I look no different to anything else walking down a street in Berlin. A bit like those funny light skinned Spanish guys from earlier... Jeez...

Apologies for thread hijack. I just get bored to death with this race stuff...especially when it's us white guys essentially comparing shades of sun tan... yawn

[Citizen_Boris]

Changing subject, and back on topic: I know Kamaki is a bit hit and miss here, but I kinda agree with most of his descriptions...

I'm not sure I'm agreeing with his view of Polish chicks being the cheating type... (any more than other nationalities). I think I'm more inclined to go with Roosh's descriptions here... Although a lot of Kamaki's views tie in pretty well if you read other threads...

Oh, and the bad teeth? Not sure I've seen that myself... But hey, maybe I've been lucky...I've also been desensitised having travelled to some scummy parts of Northern England... There, my friend, you will see bad teeth... and all manner of other nastiness!

[Greek kamaki]

(06-21-2012 06:57 PM)Citizen_Boris Wrote:  

Changing subject, and back on topic: I know Kamaki is a bit hit and miss here, but I kinda agree with most of his descriptions...

I'm not sure I'm agreeing with his view of Polish chicks being the cheating type... (any more than other nationalities). I think I'm more inclined to go with Roosh's descriptions here... Although a lot of Kamaki's views tie in pretty well if you read other threads...

Oh, and the bad teeth? Not sure I've seen that myself... But hey, maybe I've been lucky...I've also been desensitised having travelled to some scummy parts of Northern England... There, my friend, you will see bad teeth... and all manner of other nastiness!

In the '90s the teeth situation in the whole eastern Block was horrible.You saw the most gorgous chick(usually from province) with long,slender legs(they were about 90% on the slim side at that time) and she had teeth in decay.It was a disgrace to think that fat way uglier western women could afford a lot more than basic care while hot slavic chicks were not able to afford even the basics.
Now the situation in Poland and CR has improved a lot in terms of dental care by and large by the relative upgrade of living standards which allowed for a lot more visiting to dentist.This does no mean however that the slavic genes responsible for fast teeth decay are not present.If you see MILFS from Ukraine or Russia or even Poland they have always some golden teeth.
One polish girl told me with polish humour ''when I lose all my teeth I will give you better BJs.''
English are notorious for missing teeth but it is supposed to be due to often fights and browls there.

As for polish girls cheating it is extremely common.In fact it is the most common.O.K. I know that polish guys will object that this happens once they are outside of Poland because of the rotten western influence but in reality they do the same in Poland.They do in Poland what they do abroad the only difference being that in Poland there are not many guys willing to spend money on them so they engage less in some activities.
I have photos of polish women simultaneously in my bed who call their boyfriends on mobile while naked.I am aware of the lies they use to tell and they are particularly effective and vicious.So polish women always feel a bit guilty and you can exploit it.This is the Balkan approach.I know she is lying but I do not give any indication of being aware of it so I can use it to my advantage.

A lot of polish girls go to disco every weekend and hook up or make out with a diferent guy every time.Having such low standards it is not surprising they do so there are always good enough guys for them and they are always ready to drop their standards.For many polish women having a boyfriend to support them is essential.In many cases the boyfriend is needed to pay for their rent.For example if a girl lives in Poland on 250 euro per month in a small city she can afford just basic expenses.What if she likes clubbing,shopping etc?Then she needs a boyfriend to pay at least her rent or everyday expenses.(Super market,bills etc).Since most guys in Poland do not make enough money to pay the rent of their girlfriends she will be better if she chooses foreign boyfriend or if she gets multiple boyfriends who will pay a part of her expenses each.They can hide it very well.For example if she gets 100 euro from every boyfriend in help per month and she has 3 boyfriends problem solved.

Polish women do the same abroad that is dating multiple men at a time.They have one for sex(always horny),one for possible marriage and some for financial help.If they can extract money from the future groom or the lover the better.In other case they turn to sponsors.This has created a very bad reputation for polish women abroad and guys from the UK will agree with me.Polish girls are described as Mc girls very easy girls who everyone can have.They are also described as sperm bags and for a lot of guys it is disturbing that they give chances to minorities.So they have no respect.

Polish women are aware that they likely do not have respect from WASPs and Germanics,Scandinavians due to these cultural issues and so they turn to Arabs,Asians or whatever who respect them more and see them as equal.We in Balkans in total rage do not respect them at all.I think it is the same with Turks.This is although many Greek guys regard polish women as innocent,family oriented catholic fit for marriage.The ones who know better however do not think so.

Many polish women come from Poland in the summer for vaccations to get fucked by their Greek boyfriends although they are married back in Poland.I suppose they do the same for other countries summer destinations.
50% of polish women are there for the money and 50% are romantic in search for a guy to marry.Ukrainian and Russian go straight for the money and they do not hide it.They do not create a myth about themselves.With polish it is different so to know their mind frame you have to know Ukrainian and Russian mind frame.However I never managed to describe polish women good enough because they are rather complicated.(it is easy to say they are easy whores doing everything for the money or they are simple,romantic girls sweethearts etc but both descriptions are not accurate because polish women are multidimensional).

[Greek kamaki]

Slavic guys game is also completely different from western style and it has a very beneficial effect.It lowers the girls demands to a minimum.Girls who easily become spoiled by Greek pussy slaves who do them every favor to bed them are ignored by slavic guys to a maximum and only selectively fucked.This makes them crave for a better treatment which slavic guys refuse to give.The same girl a western or greek guy has to dine and wine to fuck is fucked by a slavic guy with the offer of one beer or even nothing.We pay amounts for girls which are in discount for slavic guys.
So instead of a westernization of Eastern Europe by influx of western immigrants pussy slaves I propose a heavy slavicization of the West with western and Mediteranean guys taking the exemplar of slavic guys and use it on their local women with the inevitable positive results.

[Greek kamaki]

3 months ago I had analyzed the polite rejection style by polish girls and its consequences.It struck me as unusual back in the early '00s when I first came in contact with polish girls.(in fact I was searching for Czech women in Greece and came across polish).

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-10593-...#pid163427

''This is one thing I noticed first time with polish girls back in 2001.They gave polite rejections very quickly meaning they had also been resigned of many other commonly used by women weapons.''

[Julius_Cesar]

(06-22-2012 02:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Slavic guys game is also completely different from western style and it has a very beneficial effect.It lowers the girls demands to a minimum.Girls who easily become spoiled by Greek pussy slaves who do them every favor to bed them are ignored by slavic guys to a maximum and only selectively fucked.This makes them crave for a better treatment which slavic guys refuse to give.The same girl a western or greek guy has to dine and wine to fuck is fucked by a slavic guy with the offer of one beer or even nothing.We pay amounts for girls which are in discount for slavic guys.
So instead of a westernization of Eastern Europe by influx of western immigrants pussy slaves I propose a heavy slavicization of the West with western and Mediteranean guys taking the exemplar of slavic guys and use it on their local women with the inevitable positive results.

What western immigrants are you talking about? Its only a few nationalities who are usually hitting on eastern european women all the time, Its usually 2 groups, 1) mediterraneans: spanish , italian, greeks (you can add turks in the poll aswell) who have a thing for blonde and taller women than they have back home, and the 2) western: brits/irish (also we can add americans and other anglo new worlders in the same label) who are looking for slim goodlooking girls, because back home the quality is pretty low with mostly fat and unnatractive women.

I dont see hordes of other "western" guys like dutch, belgian, germans, scandinavians or french going in hordes to seek eastern european women, I don't say they don't exist but they are surely more a rarity than a rule unlike the brits, spanish and italians who go in hordes in purpose to fuck them. I think we should narrow things to a few nationalities.

[Greek kamaki]

(06-22-2012 02:16 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 02:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Slavic guys game is also completely different from western style and it has a very beneficial effect.It lowers the girls demands to a minimum.Girls who easily become spoiled by Greek pussy slaves who do them every favor to bed them are ignored by slavic guys to a maximum and only selectively fucked.This makes them crave for a better treatment which slavic guys refuse to give.The same girl a western or greek guy has to dine and wine to fuck is fucked by a slavic guy with the offer of one beer or even nothing.We pay amounts for girls which are in discount for slavic guys.
So instead of a westernization of Eastern Europe by influx of western immigrants pussy slaves I propose a heavy slavicization of the West with western and Mediteranean guys taking the exemplar of slavic guys and use it on their local women with the inevitable positive results.

What western immigrants are you talking about? Its only a few nationalities who are usually hitting on eastern european women all the time, Its usually 2 groups, 1) mediterraneans: spanish , italian, greeks (you can add turks in the poll aswell) who have a thing for blonde and taller women than they have back home, and the 2) western: brits/irish (also we can add americans and other anglo new worlders in the same label) who are looking for slim goodlooking girls, because back home the quality is pretty low with mostly fat and unnatractive women.

I dont see hordes of other "western" guys like dutch, belgian, germans, scandinavians or french going in hordes to seek eastern european women, I don't say they don't exist but they are surely more a rarity than a rule unlike the brits, spanish and italians who go in hordes in purpose to fuck them. I think we should narrow things to a few nationalities.

You think so.Actually many Swedish,Danish,Norwegian guys are heads to toes deep into eastern European travelling as well as Swiss etc guys from Germanic origin.This is not surprising and they represent the toughest competition one might get.

[Greek kamaki]

For example yesterday one of my polish girls in the last two years revealed to me that she has been sponsored by an older guy about 20 years older than her in the last 4 years.She has guaranteed her loan to pay for her apartment and he has been loading her with money.
Not that I did not have any idea that sth happened(her financial condition could not be explained by her small wages alone) but she tried to keep the whole arrangement secret from me so many years while complaining about a guy(that guy) harassing her etc.
This is to give an example of the complex situation you encounter with polish women.They use you for a specific purpose one way or another and you usually find out later.

[Greek kamaki]

Another polish girlfriend after introducing to me all her 4 girlfriends to fuck them together or separate suggested to me to both fly to Poland to fuck her sister and her cousins who she has already informed.Her other girlfriends want that I also fuck their sisters and friends and say if I come to their villages to Poland I will have easily 10 girlfriends in first week to alternate.
They warned however that all their sisters,cousins etc have some material demands.(anxious for the next IMF inflow).

[AlphaTravel]

You've got a polish girlfriend who wants you to fuck all her friends and family?

I'm having trouble believing that or do you shell out so much money and gifts to them that they just see you as a walking ATM?

[Greek kamaki]

(06-23-2012 06:22 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

You've got a polish girlfriend who wants you to fuck all her friends and family?

I'm having trouble believing that or do you shell out so much money and gifts to them that they just see you as a walking ATM?

It is strange but it is how it happens.Everything is possible with polish girls.Another one sent to me her pregnant girlfriend to bang her as well.If you enter all the justifications they use to explain their actions you will lose your mind so better not believe a word of that they say.

Another time I got to Poznan via Berlin for one day,I met one of my polish girlfriends in the noon,did every perversion possible,then locked her in hotel and got to Buddha Bar in Poznan where I made a Balkan King appearance it was like all polish girls in the club wanted to hook up with me.Got phone numbers,touched asses,legs etc from the most gorgeous women possible till the inevitable happened and got into almost fight with two polish guys because by mistake I hit on one of the girls they were interested as well.
But the amount of women in these clubs is so great that you do not need to worry.They also respond very well to calibrated approach but they do not like the heavy Balkan humor they like the light ironic stuff.If I use the Balkan humor they reply ''what have you drunk?'' or sth like that.They are also very open to the game escalation meaning they allow you to use high game on them while Greek women try to block this.If you use high game all other guys in the floor seem irrelevant and due to failure in case they approach.I had in many cases polish women in clubs telling me ''tell please this guy to stop talking to us'' etc.

[AlphaTravel]

Has anybody else had similar experiences to Kamaki where you're being encouraged to fuck girls sisters and friends? Never heard anything like it.

[Greek kamaki]

(06-23-2012 10:30 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Has anybody else had similar experiences to Kamaki where you're being encouraged to fuck girls sisters and friends? Never heard anything like it.

It is very common in Ukraine,Russia and Poland.Girls think since he fucks other girls as well why not my friend or relative to rip the benefits?It is the collective approach.
I have photos of cousins and girlfriends naked in my bed however it is dangerous to post them because they have profiles in facebook and they may get recognized.Some of my former girlfriends also used my photos on their FB page,noone will wonder what they were doing in Athens.

[Greek kamaki]

For example how a polish girl described to me the way her relationship with a married guy 20 years older than her started:
1.When he first met me I thought he was interested in my mom.
2.I gave him my number because I was innocent.
3.He called me for a date and I said why not?.I was bored at home.
4.He was ugly as hell and very old.
5.After 9-10 dates I started to fall in love with him.The money was good as well.
6.After one year I found out he was married by checking his mobile.I was the last to find out.
etc.
So they are prone to choose a man they find repellient in terms of appearance in case he plays some game.They give chances.
Later this guy tried every possible method to separate me from her but I keep her by high game.He tries every form of material offer and cannot understand how she still stays with me.He has checked her mobile found my messages and tries to call me.Lost case.But these persistent individuals who can appear as stalkers in western women eyes can get a ''strongly hit by love'' reputation in polish women eyes.So polish women can excuse even the most absurd and stalking behavior.His bad luck is just that he has me as opponent and I guess he gradually understands what goes on.

[Vicious]

I'm rolling my eyes so hard right now they risk spinning out of their sockets.

[worldwidetraveler]

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[Greek kamaki]

The rejection issue:If you happen to approach Greek or Western women in clubs you are in for some harsh rejections.If you do a 100% calibrated approach you will never hear sth like fuck you but in 1% of cases the woman will move away without saying a word and his can be very frustrationg and humiliating.Contrary to that polish women always give polite rejections.The reason is that they find it normal that a man approaches them inspired by their beauty.
Western women want to creep out and scare all the weak guys who cannot handle a harsh rejection.They want them to be scared to approach any other girl so that the rest of sisterhood is saved and in safe hands.They give the green light only to worthy guys to approach so that other girls will benefited from them as well.
Polish women contrary to that do not want to scare away potential boyfriends for other girls.Thy do not want to intimidate them.So they give polite rejections.

This has the consequences that in Poland or resorts with polish girls pick up is rather pleasant and always effective since you re not in for harsh rejections which may hurt your game,keep you off balance or require steel balls to proceed to next girls.This also means that if you get used to the easiness of Poland you will become rather ineffective in other places of earth.

[silbanis]

(06-20-2012 01:46 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Body type:Generally tall(average about 167 cm,25% over 170 cm,5% over 180 cm).Slavic long legs super shaped(this is a trademark among Slavs the slavic legs are the sexiest).Nose slavic which means somewhat disproportionate to the rest of face(this easily sets them apart from Germanic women who have smaller,more symmetric noses).Eyes light blue to green(Green eyes shows the valleys of Eastern Europe).Hair light with color dirty blonde typically(not so light like Scandinavian women).Boobs generally large with very good shape.Ass popping a little not so small like Germanic ass and much better than Russian ass.Most are fit and many of them follow vegetarian diets.There are some fatties around however lately due to recent explosion of Mc Donalds all over Poland.
Teeth not in good condition but not as bad like in Ukraine(typical slavic woman-light hair,bad teeth,long amazing legs).Accent very feminine sweet with lots ofsexy sounds(you just cum when hearing them).

Greek,how well or poorly would a black guy (Canadian...decent
dresser;good shape.. 5'9) do with Polish women.Even though I'll
probably never get to visit;just curious.

What are their attitudes towards visible minorities ?

[Greek kamaki]

They like minorities in some cases because Blacks,Arabs etc are more likely to marry them than WASPS or Germanics who usually do not respect them at all.I have described the situation already.Strict protestant ethics judge very low the polish women and regard them as the bottom of the scale in whorishness.

[Greek kamaki]

A lot of polish women here in Greece hook up with ugly Albanians who are considered primitive,barbarians with no respect to women.They are also very possesive and overjealous and want to enclose the women at home.Polish women have this element of self punishment.Some of them like Arabs because in this case they can sit home all day and get husband's money without having to work.Crazy situations.Many polish women are an embarassment.
I would not like to be a polish guy since polish women even embarass me although I am benefited by their presence in some sense.But some of their actions are very low they get so low in the mud that it is impossible to comprehend them.No boundaries at all.Anyway they always get punished that is why you see them complaining all the time.

[WestCoast]

"Polish women are aware that they likely do not have respect from WASPs and Germanics,Scandinavians due to these cultural issues and so they turn to Arabs,Asians or whatever who respect them more and see them as equal.We in Balkans in total rage do not respect them at all.I think it is the same with Turks.This is although many Greek guys regard polish women as innocent,family oriented catholic fit for marriage.The ones who know better however do not think so."

"They have one for sex, one for marriage and one for financial help"

After reading the book thought I would login to put in my 2 cents. Hate to say this but based on reading alone, (I will be visiting Poland next year) I would have to agree with the second quote from Kamakai and not the first.

Basically if a social infrastructure is set such that the women have 0 cash like Poland, but they know they are good looking enough to get "financial" support they can rationalize and separate boyfriends from providers. With that said someone of that nature would likely want both and would not like to mix any of the three. The social circle dynamic is actually what I've seen with sugar babies in San Francisco. To Pull a SNL girl is putting you in the sexy category, the provider category is where the girl tries to big up your ego "you have a nice body, your hot" etc. they are trying to get you riled up and end up filling the provider role. Soo I would wager the girls Greek Kamaki has telling him "you have a nice penis" are placing him in the "provider category". "Little egg" in roosh's book was marriage category. Finally, the ONS was the sex category/marriage category. I think the foreign status is being underestimated. If the dudes are really that ugly and roosh is say "top 25% hence a 7.5+" there, the girl has no qualms going home with him. Why? He can be placed in 2 buckets. Marriage and sex. The girls with boyfriends who know he is foreign keep him around telling him he is hot to try and get him to be a provider since they know he is american and the marriage BF is right there, since he womt implicate the cash he got "blow out". Greek Kamakai (no offense here) but seems like your two buckets are "marriage/Financial" since you've come with "Balkan power/money" from the get go. Finally, to solidify this case Roosh said he did not do better with NICE clothes... Why? My guess is that is the financial bucket. Since he didn't want to pay for play, girls are confused as to which bucket he is trying to get into "financial or marriage" bc if he is decent looking to their standards this makes no sociological sense to them.

Some quick side notes: co-worker is married to a polish girl (she is now using sex as a bargaining tool), I spoke openly a few times now with "sugar babies" and notice thir background being similar to Greek's description of the sociological impact. Basically they grow up relatively hot but poorer and see themselves as inferior "deep seated insecurities" so they try to do everything themselves, use their body to get money, a man, and sex but not in a career sense of the word (unless you count that as a career).

Anyway that's pretty much th conclusion roosh was being placed into buckets marriage/sex on demand, GK being in marriage/support. No I am not saying GK can't be in category 1. Sex. Just calling it based on the posting/reading.

Nonetheless great info and I encourage everyone to read the book. Had a few good laughs, and also came up with a bit of a mixed opinion between GK and roosh as u can see.

[Greek kamaki]

I will read the book to tell you my opinion as well.Anyway keep in mind that it is different to stay there alternating between clubs and different to travel there from time to time for a limited period of time while keeping some polish girls at home.There in Poland you have all the advantages.
It also depends what quality of girls you aim to because in cases I tried for the 10 category the most gorgeous women I got into immediate fights and punches with polish guys.I mean ASAP.But if you aim for the 7-8 category they will not block you in majority of cases.

[Deb Auchery]

Back in Poland next week, gonna be spending some quality time in Krakow.

Will try to find some places outside of the centre, where there are not so many tourist tossers.

If anyone will be in Krakow gimme a shout

[Greek kamaki]

About why they have quick sex with foreigners it is because they want to wrap them quickly make them fall in love with them so they can achieve their goals usually marriage.This method does not fail because if you bang often foreigners and alternate quickly being open you will soon find one for marriage.Polish society turns a blind eye to this slutty behaviour they regard it as necessary to achieve the goal of marriage family so it is not condemned per se like in puritanistic western societies for which polish women are simply cheap sluts.

[Greek kamaki]

There is also heavy competition between polish females for the few decent guys there.They try to do every possible sexual favour so that they will keep the guy and the other girls will not be able to compete.That is why they try to give the best BJ,the longest sex and comply even to the most extraordinary sexual demands.They also care for their own satisfaction and ask a lot for oral to them and guaranteed orgasms.
Compare this to the common Mediteranean attitude where the girl tries to give as sexually less as possible before she rips the benefits of the relationship.In this way keeping the guy in anticipation and sex starvation she forces for her demands.Polish women seem to have resigned from the traditional women weaponry that is they tend to first give the sex and then expect the rewards.(they suppose you will be so satisfied you are going to reward them anyway).That is why they try to give the best possible sexual experience.
Russian women however are the best as a whole because they lack the provincial attitude of polish women and behave in the most fluttering for a man way they are simply perfect.Polish women lack this perfection in behaviour they cannot enter the high class salons.

Another thing with polish women is that they like real life experiences not canned.That is why they often get involved with guys ''from street'' or ''roasted in life'' as we say here for example Albanians who work in menial works construction etc.Other polish women prefer the intellectual type of guy though.It has to do with romanticism in both cases.Polish women think of themselves as being extremely romantic.(it is another thing how they think of themselves and how the rest views them however if you come from a culture which likes fairy tales like Arab one you may agree with polish girls you see now the chemistry).