[IVth_Element]

I love it Kona, but I'm pretty sure I pissed her off hard.

The vodka was running pretty heavy when I let shit fly with her. Actually I wasn't a complete dick so we'll see.

I've already pulled some angles with her and they were working decently well. Shit, I could have turned her into a cash cow just based on the diet, nutrition, exercise plan she customized to compete in events. I could turn a couple pics and a 20 page ebook into at least a G a month. Exclusive rights, all that shit. She was getting on board and I let my ego get in the way. I should have played it cool and put the sexual escalation on the backburner. Probably would have paid big dividends.

I'm very convinced that running business game is optimal with the top 1%. Guys saying call her and if she doesn't call you back move on, is short advice IMO or based on living somewhere with decent access to this level. Around here these girls need to be harvested and worked over a bit of time. Anything below a 9, not at all. It's a different game.

[Deluge]

(06-15-2012 04:36 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

These girls need to be harvested and worked over a bit of time. Anything below a 9, not at all. It's a different game.

Reading the quoted section set off an alarm bell in my gut instincts.

My very humble opinion: Don't go pulling out shit you haven't done before/practiced/tested on girls before just because this one is better looking. If anything stick to whats tried and true and already works for you. Lastly, game works better on hotter girls.

[IVth_Element]

P Dog, I get your take on it and it's not bad advice to say not to treat them much differently than any other girl. The issue is that they are at least 10X harder to deal with than your average 8. I don't blink dealing with an 8 and move on if it doesn't work to my liking almost immediately. Dealing with 9+ talent in small town southern US is akin to most guys take on visiting Argentina for the first time, which I spent balls deep in a model for days. Honestly, the take it or leave it advice doesn't work unless you have REAL access to this level. I know it sounds beta, but most guys really do not have the experience at gaming this level. It is not the same game. I could only equate it with Roosh's take on girls in Ukraine mixed with the snobbishness of your average Argentine girl. And the girl I dealt with wasn't even that bad. I'm just unseasoned at this level.

You HAVE to walk a tightrope with these girls. They are looking for you to fall off and it's tough not to. You have to put your ego completely aside, and that's why I say that you need to harvest these girls. You build the mindset/situation where fucking them is not your priority, at least in their mind. THAT's what makes them start to think, "this guy doesn't even care if he fucks me, DAMN, why doesn't he like me?" That said, you also have to stay in the game and I'll be gotdamned the day any girl considers me a friend. That's the issue.

Game in general is a somewhat vague concept, at least to me. I was born an asshole, good looking, ambitious, and not about to take much shit from anyone. I simply go after girls that I'm interested in and some I kiss within minutes of meeting; that's my usual style. I'm very direct and don't believe in wasting 10 minutes on a girl that I dont' want to fuck and many I will tell them exactly that. I could be completely wrong about gaming this level, but so far I'm fully convinced that it's very different. I'm here to learn but few players aside, this is a very hard level to discuss as most have limited experience.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-15-2012 02:38 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Dude, if the chick cant take a call for 5 minutes, how the hell is she going to find the two hours you need to get her on her back? When women are making excuses about being too busy or warning you up front, its not a good sign. They are women, they spend their day doing mostly fuck all.

The problem here is not that the chick is busy, its that you have so much invested in a positive outcome with this broad that you are afraid to act now. Which has you acting like a puppy, happy for any scraps she decides to throw you, scared you going to blow your chance. You have her on a pedestal so high her toenails are sitting at your eye level.

Guys, analyzing text messages?

No.

The fact that you think you need to have balls now to phone a woman just shows how you younger players are getting lazy. Why do you need balls to phone some bird? Either she is meeting you or you are forgetting her the minute you hang up and moving onto the next one. Its one or the other.

Ill stress it again. Its not about playing it right for them, its about making sure she is interested and you are not wasting your time.

Thats the reason you phone.

(06-15-2012 02:04 AM)soup Wrote:  

Here's the problem- fewer girls out at night, but more people on earth than ever before. The bitches are somewhere. People hate on online game, but there are a lot of girls spending time in front of the computer.

And there are even more of them walking on the streets, standing at bus stops, buying food in shopping centres, walking around malls looking to blow their paychecks.

This is 100% right again.

If a girl isn't taking your call, its because she doesn't want to take your call.

Your Game needs to be stronger up front.

The girls I hang out with get calls all day long.

They take my calls because they want to.

[el mechanico]

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[Duke Castile]

No offense man, but why are you even asking for advice? You've got guys here telling you to do something other than what you're doing (which you admit, isn't working) and you keep insisting that your methods are the way to go "in this instance" etc.

I think at this point, you should "next" this chick and move on. If you do it right, it may come up again.

[AntiTrace]

Like everything In life the extreme left or right options are not the answer, a solid mix is.

As of about a year or two ago I started switching from text game to a text-phone hybrid. It was spurred
From absolute frustration of trying to explain things via text. 15 minutes of text exchange to do explain something I could verbally explain in 2-3 minutes on the phone.

My first contact is always a phone call. If they answer I it's a five minute or less conversation with a goal in mind. I.E. I don't call to chat, I call to set something up, and end the call afterwards.

If it goes to voicemail, I do exactly what Harry does.

Second call if no answer I leave no voicemail, but I will send a follow up text to see if she is more comfortable to communicate via text.

One of the clutch moves I do to determine interested/flakiness is to phone her immediately after receiving a text. If she doesn't answer I text her back that I don't have time for an hour long text banter, and to call me when she has five minutes free.

I love the phone call during text exchange. It always catches them off guard.

[IVth_Element]

(06-16-2012 05:43 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Like everything In life the extreme left or right options are not the answer, a solid mix is.

As of about a year or two ago I started switching from text game to a text-phone hybrid. It was spurred
From absolute frustration of trying to explain things via text. 15 minutes of text exchange to do explain something I could verbally explain in 2-3 minutes on the phone.

My first contact is always a phone call. If they answer I it's a five minute or less conversation with a goal in mind. I.E. I don't call to chat, I call to set something up, and end the call afterwards.

If it goes to voicemail, I do exactly what Harry does.

Second call if no answer I leave no voicemail, but I will send a follow up text to see if she is more comfortable to communicate via text.

One of the clutch moves I do to determine interested/flakiness is to phone her immediately after receiving a text. If she doesn't answer I text her back that I don't have time for an hour long text banter, and to call me when she has five minutes free.

I love the phone call during text exchange. It always catches them off guard.

Agreed. I think this is a good strategy although a simple intro text then call could work as well if she simply handed you her number on a piece of paper, as she's never answering a call from a number she doesn't know.

To avoid this, I usually have the girl put her number in my phone and then I ring it immediately in front of her to make sure that she know's who is calling her. I do this 95% of the time. It takes away the whole issue of having to call up and say "Hey, it me. Remember me. Yeah, from there" which personally feels like I'm pandering to her from the get go. Of course, it can be played cool the way Harry mentioned, but I prefer to make the first call without doing the whole reintroduction thing. It feels lame to me. I much prefer taking her number and calling it to give her mine immediately. If she doesn't save it, and she doesn't know who I am when I call, then I'm basically done unless she show major interest.

In my case, I met her on a Friday and texted her late Sunday night "Hey it's IVth. Nice meeting you Friday." She handed me her number as I was leaving so all she knows is my first name and that we talked for 10 minutes on a Friday. The text sets up the call.

Basically, I put it in her court. If she ignores the text, I'm done and I only wasted a few minutes. If she give me a courtesy "Hi. You too", I'll go straight to a call within a few hours up to a day or two later. No texts in between.

In this case, she comes out, "Hi!! Is this IVth from upstairs at restaurant?" It's genuine interest and usually I would have moved straight to the call. As I mentioned, she is texing me during work 8am - 5pm, school 5:30 - 10pm, and even while driving home in a fucking thunderstorm downpour. I have to tell her to stop texting me before she runs off the road. Again, these girls love texting. She's asking me engaging questions and giving me detailed, immediate answers. I give in and play back with her because she's enjoying it and I did not feel that she was wasting my time. I say "we can do this and that, when we get together" and she's replying "Yeah, that sounds great!"

Could I have called her in the 20 minutes she had between work and school every day as if I was waiting all day just to attack her every minute, when she's showing a ton on interest by text? Yeah, I guess so. Or maybe I should have called right at 10:15 as she drives home in the dark. Why not.

As for the upfront game G, I surprised myself at how well I did. In 10 minutes, I not only neutralized the 2 guys that she was with (friends with girlfriends, not them) but shook their hands, made pleasantries and then isolated her and went direct. She's asking me advice, I'm showing her sexual interest without any kind of neediness, I lightly joke with her, show my status and value without seeking approval and leave the interaction on a high note. Most guys would have never gotten that number.

The real issue is that this girl lives in her fucking world and she doesn't have an ounce of patience for anyone telling her anything. She's a high status bitch with no remorse. Even as well as I did with the interaction, 10 minutes is not enough to hold me over for the next 5 days of her 9am to 10pm, 30 minutes break schedule without texting. I fucked up reengaging on a Monday and yes I should have texted her "call me on your break for a minute". She's knows that I know her schedule, am I calling just to leave a voicemail when I know she can't answer the phone and we're already chatting?

My biggest lesson. Avoid bitches that have zero time in their day for anything. Her friends even said that she never calls them back and never hangs out. I think she would be fine having a tea party and only inviting herself. Again, MASSIVE EGOs. No one is close to as important as she is. It's her world, we live in it. That's why it's not enough to just say, call her and if shes doesn't answer, try again and then delete the number. Girls at this level LIVE by text. You either play that game a little and move for the face to face meet up/keep calling or you will filter 95% of them. I see a girl at this level maybe once every 6 months.

Fisto, I reread the thread and I am going to take some of the advice and test out different things. I agree that filtering and focusing on the most eager leads is great for not wasting time. In this one case, I do think that she was being genuine. I'm not a young buck. I pull good quality and am not hurting for pussy. It's not hard for me to get. I just want the best because I'm greedy and why not. I will say one thing, I have gotten a bit lazy. I cannot remember the last time a took a girl out to any kind of dinner. Out of my last 10 lays, 7 were ONS two were strippers that I keep in touch with (by text) and 1 was a girl that I had met once before but still no dinner. I spent 2 hours last night trying to tell this bitch that I'm not gonna make out with her at the bar while her boyfriend and his brother are sitting within viewing distance. I actually had to make her feel bad to leave me alone.

That said, 9+ talent is making me rethink my lazy game that pulls the 7's and 8's without much work on my part.

All posts appreciated, even the one calling texting gay. It's still a useful tool and it get me laid plenty. I will test out using better voicemail game, so thanks for that.

[soup]

(06-16-2012 06:55 PM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

(06-16-2012 05:43 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Like everything In life the extreme left or right options are not the answer, a solid mix is.

As of about a year or two ago I started switching from text game to a text-phone hybrid. It was spurred
From absolute frustration of trying to explain things via text. 15 minutes of text exchange to do explain something I could verbally explain in 2-3 minutes on the phone.

My first contact is always a phone call. If they answer I it's a five minute or less conversation with a goal in mind. I.E. I don't call to chat, I call to set something up, and end the call afterwards.

If it goes to voicemail, I do exactly what Harry does.

Second call if no answer I leave no voicemail, but I will send a follow up text to see if she is more comfortable to communicate via text.

One of the clutch moves I do to determine interested/flakiness is to phone her immediately after receiving a text. If she doesn't answer I text her back that I don't have time for an hour long text banter, and to call me when she has five minutes free.

I love the phone call during text exchange. It always catches them off guard.

Agreed. I think this is a good strategy although a simple intro text then call could work as well if she simply handed you her number on a piece of paper, as she's never answering a call from a number she doesn't know.

To avoid this, I usually have the girl put her number in my phone and then I ring it immediately in front of her to make sure that she know's who is calling her. I do this 95% of the time. It takes away the whole issue of having to call up and say "Hey, it me. Remember me. Yeah, from there" which personally feels like I'm pandering to her from the get go. Of course, it can be played cool the way Harry mentioned, but I prefer to make the first call without doing the whole reintroduction thing. It feels lame to me. I much prefer taking her number and calling it to give her mine immediately. If she doesn't save it, and she doesn't know who I am when I call, then I'm basically done unless she show major interest.

In my case, I met her on a Friday and texted her late Sunday night "Hey it's IVth. Nice meeting you Friday." She handed me her number as I was leaving so she has no idea it's me calling and there's almost zero chance she's answering an unkown number. I wouldn't and I don't like voicemail reintroduction game.

Basically, I put it in her court. If she ignores me, I'm done and I only wasted a few minutes. If she give me a courtesy "Hi. You too", I'll go straight to a call within a few hours up to a day or two later. No texts in between.

In this case, she comes out, "Hi!! Is this IVth from upstairs at restaurant?" It's genuine interest and usually I would have moved straight to the call. As I mentioned, she is texing me during work 8am - 5pm, school 5:30 - 10pm, and even while driving home in a fucking thunderstorm downpour. I have to tell her to stop texting me before she runs off the road. Again, these girls love texting. She's asking me engaging questions and giving me detailed, immediate answers. I give in and play back with her because she's enjoying it and I did not feel that she was wasting my time. I say "we can do this and that, when we get together" and she's replying "Yeah, that sounds great!"

Could I have called her in the 20 minutes she had between work and school every day as if I was waiting all day just to attack her every minute, when she's showing a ton on interest by text? Yeah, I guess so. Or maybe I should have called right at 10:15 as she drives home in the dark. Why not.

As for the upfront game G, I surprised myself at how well I did. In 10 minutes, I not only neutralized the 2 guys that she was with (friends with girlfriends, not them) but shook their hands, made pleasantries and then isolated her and went direct. She's asking me advice, I'm showing her sexual interest without any kind of neediness, I lightly joke with her, show my status and value without seeking approval and leave the interaction on a high note. Most guys would have never gotten that number.

The real issue is that this girl lives in her fucking world and she doesn't have an ounce of patience for anyone telling her anything. She's a high status bitch with no remorse. Even as well as I did with the interaction, 10 minutes is not enough to hold me over for the next 5 days of her 9am to 10pm, 30 minutes break schedule without texting. I fucked up reengaging on a Monday and yes I should have texted her "call me on your break for a minute". She's knows that I know her schedule, am I calling just to leave a voicemail when I know she can't answer the phone and we're already chatting? Either way, I should have gotten her on the phone at some point, even though I'm not sold that I couldn't have turned out a weekend meetup. I still hold that texting has a place and is necessary with these girls. Technology has it's place. Almost no one calls anyone anymore in the US. That's not my fault and yes, I still use it.

My biggest lesson. Avoid bitches that have zero time in their day for anything. Her friends even said that she never calls them back and never hangs out. I think she would be fine having a tea party and only inviting herself. Again, MASSIVE EGOs. No one is close to as important as she is. It's her world, we live in it. That's why it's not enough to just say, call her and if shes doesn't answer, try again and then delete the number. Girls at this level LIVE by text. You either play that game a little and move for the face to face meet up/keep calling or you will filter 95% of them.

Fisto, I reread the thread and I am going to take some of the advice and test out different things. I agree that filtering and focusing on the most eager leads is great for not wasting time. In this one case, I do think that she was being genuine. I'm not a young buck. I pull good quality and am not hurting for pussy. It's not hard for me to get. I just want the best because I'm greedy and why not. I will say one thing, I have gotten a bit lazy. I cannot remember the last time a took a girl out to any kind of dinner. Out of my last 10 lays, 7 were ONS two were strippers that I keep in touch with (by text) and 1 was a girl that I had met once before but still no dinner. I spent 2 hours last night trying to tell this bitch that I'm not gonna make out with her at the bar while her boyfriend and his brother are sitting within viewing distance. I actually had to make her feel bad to leave me alone.

That said, 9+ talent is making me rethink my lazy game that pulls the 7's and 8's without much work on my part.

All posts appreciated, even the one calling texting gay. It's still a useful tool and it get me laid plenty. I will test out using better voicemail game, so thanks for that.

Still don't know what you mean by 9+.

[IVth_Element]

Alright soup, I assume you are asking for a pic, so I'll try to get one or post one of a girl that is at the same level. 9+ is different for everyone, as we all have preferences, but basically a girl that when she walks in a room, almost every person does a double take, girls included. Not just a hot girl, but someone that is basically exactly your style with an almost perfect body and face. There's no such thing as a 10 so I say 9+. Basically the top 1% of Colombia is my 9+. Yours may be different.

[HiFlo]

yah that's hot!!!!!

trophy gfs are the best

[rozayINTL]

IVth element.
I relate to this situation in a big way. 9+'s in the southern US (especially in a southern city) are so elusive and subsequently difficult to get with, that it is almost not worth the time spent to slay them. Don't fall into the trap of wanting more than to just fuck them, no matter how rare a species they may be in this part of the world.
These girls are being fucking worshiped 24/7 on facebook, twitter, etc and have been since they were a teenager. They have seen it all, done it all. Guys with great 'game' have pursued them and failed miserably.

I feel your pain.

[IVth_Element]

Thank you rozay. You're correct that this level is exclusive and difficult. Of course, it's not impossible, which is why I came here for advice.

soup, I'm gonna post the pic of a girl that I'm talking to right now, even though it's not the girl I've been discussing, as I cannot get her pics. The original girl wanted to friend me on facebook and I declined, as I don't feed into that game. I will hopefully find the nude pics her ex posted and certainly will share...ha ha.

This girl is just below 9 status to me, but it's the closest I have at the moment. The girl I've been discussing has a smaller nose and the whole latina tits and ass. She also has great style. Just to give an idea of an almost 9, in my book, here you go.

   

[el mechanico]

^^^No way dude!! Would not hit!!^^

[IVth_Element]

^^cracking me up mech. Yes, this girl is beautiful to me, but some guys will knock on the nose. It actually turns me on a bit. Admittedly, the other chick has tha latina body. This girl is slavic, but skill smoking hot and I will put serious work into it.

[soup]

Yes- she qualifies as a 9 because she can easily make money modelling.

Even though I don't believe in 10s, there is a whole world that exists within the 9 range. This girl is entry level 9 ha

[IVth_Element]

Agreed

[Duke Castile]

Well I have found the same troubles with the upper talent broads. I have a buddy who's a pro heavy weight boxer and semi well known. He's good looking and talks to girls with game. He pulls only 9s and fucks them silly. I've never seen anything like it. He doesn't go out of his way and uses lazy game with them. I think STATUS is the key with those bitches because he's always broke or damn near.

[IVth_Element]

I think that more than anything, ACCESS is key along with the proper mindset. From what I've seen and experienced, these girls are not usually dating the wealthiest, high status guys. Yes many are, but plenty are looking for more than money, as they have their own goals. They want a guy with a decent lifestyle, some type of major drive (boxing, soccer, business, etc), but more than anything they want someone that doesn't show them special attention like every other person that acts like they just saw the Aurora Borealis. You can tell just by her voice when she talks about being basically bombarded every day with guys clamoring for her attention. They know their value and only feel comfortable seeing someone that doesn't make a huge deal over them as it shows they are dating at the "appropriate" level. Successful men WITH game do this naturally, as they have access and a likewise attitude. Texting actually fits this model more than a call but I agree that you need to get them on the phone within a few days. You need to hear someone's voice to keep that connection. Just don't push it unless you are looking to filter 90% of them and have access to more than a few a month. I'm busy, she's busy, it's not a big deal. I won't let her jerk me around but I also don't have to grab her every free minute for my own satisfaction.

I wasn't trying to come across as dismissive to some of the advice here but I think it's more applicable to places such as EE where access is not the biggest issue. It's simple supply and demand and when you mix in US culture, you have a tough nutt to crack. I actually don't think that it's very hard if you can get access, and if you have a little patience. As I mentioned, it's like walking a tightrope if your trying to fake it, and in my case I fell off by pushing the interaction. I'm sure that I could have gotten her alone within a week or 10 days max, but it will be on her schedule or she'll tell you to fuck off. They have zero patience for any kind of pressure.

If you can build a lifestyle where you interact with this level on a regular basis or if you have the funds to frequent the spots they tend to hang, then it's simply engaging them and keeping them on the hook long enough to get the face to face. I've become so spoiled from banging girls within hours of meeting them that I put my ego in the way and basically self destructed. I kept my pride but I lost the poon. It was a stupid move and I will get better. One day I can see myself only hitting this quality, if I can deal with the other issues that they bring to the table or simply realizing that an "entry 9" as soup put it, may be the optimal quality. It's very likely that once you get to the level of girls that someone will pay to put in front of a camera, then the returns diminish rapidly outside of a ONS.

[slubu]

It's really a dilemma for me. I go back and forth on whether I am or am not supposed to treat a 9 differently from a 6 or 7. People, experts, gurus, etc. say both. Some say if you are truly "alpha" then you don't give a shit and every girl is the same. Others say 9s have a different range of options, and you have to be cognizant of that fact and adjust accordingly. Then some say 9s are even more self-conscious than uglier girls, while conversely you hear 9s are aware of their self-worth and you have to play towards that.

What the likely answer is, and something that you echo above, is to have access to 9s constantly and continuously. Only then will the 9 then no longer be the prize of your pursuits, allowing yourself congruency in treating them no differently. In the few experiences I've had with 9 quality, I've tried both approaches and gotten nowhere. So to go full loop to where I started, I have no idea what the answer is.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-18-2012 08:23 PM)slubu Wrote:  

It's really a dilemma for me. I go back and forth on whether I am or am not supposed to treat a 9 differently from a 6 or 7. People, experts, gurus, etc. say both.

That is because, unfortunately, the answer is "both".

Game is not some "static" thing where you can follow hard set rules and be a robot.

This is one of my big issues with the whole "PUA" thing.

You have to adapt. Be like water my son.

Swooping girls is like Boxing.

You have to tweak your style to your opponent.

You can keep the same style (ie for me, Custom Suits, Smokes, Well Traveled, Mysterious, Aluding to Big CASH, Well-connected, Funny etc), but I will change it to the girl I am talking to.

Some girls, I play up my surfing background. Some my boxing background. Some, my traveling. Some, Big CASH. Some, humor. Some smoking. Some boozing. Some positivity. Some, soulfulness. Some, mysteriousness.

Some a combination of everything at different times.

It all depends.

And that is the difficult part.

[IVth_Element]

If you have access, then you'll end up treating them like nothing special, which is how they test if you have been with "their level" before. No, do not treat them special. Be genuine, show interest (feed the ego a bit) and then pull back. Don't be a lapdog like every other dude. I imagine these girls are almost experts at reading facial cues so don't give too much away. If you're starstruck, it's over. Simply build comfort with the casual interview type questions that girls like to do (turn the tables a bit), and show her that you have options as well. Be gentle about it though, and don't be judgmental toward them in any way. Their ego's can't take it.

With that said, you have to be aware that she has almost unlimited options in her early 20's and that you can be replaced in a second. They have zero patience for taking any pressure before you get them into bed. After you've hit it, she knows that she lost most of her power over you, unless she is really obviously above your level. Things should usually balance out and you'll eventually want to chop off your head to stop hearing about how everyone doesn't treat her like a perfect little princess. What else should we expect from someone that worships Kim Kardashian and wants to be just like her one day. HA

Should you treat her special? NO
Should you be aware that she has unlimited options? Yes
Should you walk the tightrope a bit and prove that you can take a little pressure? Definitely, if you want that poon.

Bang her a few times and then go cold on her. She'll either walk away or beg for your attention. "What's wrong with me? OMG, I can't believe he didn't call. Every guy calls me" After sex, I'm sure it's business as usual.

Are they secretly just as insecure as any girl? Probably but it doesn't matter. They still know their market value.

[soup]

(06-18-2012 08:23 PM)slubu Wrote:  

It's really a dilemma for me. I go back and forth on whether I am or am not supposed to treat a 9 differently from a 6 or 7. People, experts, gurus, etc. say both. Some say if you are truly "alpha" then you don't give a shit and every girl is the same. Others say 9s have a different range of options, and you have to be cognizant of that fact and adjust accordingly. Then some say 9s are even more self-conscious than uglier girls, while conversely you hear 9s are aware of their self-worth and you have to play towards that.

What the likely answer is, and something that you echo above, is to have access to 9s constantly and continuously. Only then will the 9 then no longer be the prize of your pursuits, allowing yourself congruency in treating them no differently. In the few experiences I've had with 9 quality, I've tried both approaches and gotten nowhere. So to go full loop to where I started, I have no idea what the answer is.

I think a good place to start is to try to conceptualize, if you can, the amount of attention a 9 is getting.

I have a simple equation that I've been using- if you want a girl, you have to approach at least as many girls as guys that have approached her or given her stuff etc.

To put this into action with a 9, you'd probably have to quit your dayjob and figure out a way to get girls approaching you, because there's not enough time in most men's lives to approach that many women.

[slubu]

This is a very helpful thread in helping me gain an understanding with this particular circumstance. Everyone's points are making a lot of sense. I did want to expand on the below:

(06-18-2012 09:50 PM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

If you have access,

Agreed. How does one expand on that access? And what level of access are you referring to? Just the ability to come into contact with one? That is doable for me, as for instance last night I was working out next to a 9. Which while still rare, are around in the LA/OC area where I live.

But if you are referring to being in a social circle, work circle, etc. I'm not sure how to create such access. Short of switching careers to get into a field that allows constant influx of such girls (modeling, entertainment, clubs, etc.) I do not see the ability to generate this access artificially or naturally. And I know this has been talked about ad nauseum on this board, but I think the info here is very good and want to keep the ball rolling.

By the way G, random side note, I went in for Yoga yesterday, sat in the back, and walked out with a hot girl. Sadly couldn't figure out what to say in time before she parted direction and headed to her car. The whole time I was thinking about your blog posts.