[soup]

(06-14-2012 02:14 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

If a chick is not taking your calls, she is not going to be taking your dick. You phone them to qualify them as much as anything too lads.

Its simple

When she picks up, your rule is no calls longer than 3-4 minutes, you chat, flirt and setup a meet, cut her short.

Voicemail tactics:

Phone first, it rings to voicemail - dont tell her to call you, tell her who it is in case she does not have your number and caller ID, and tell her you will call some other time. The bitch will remember the number or save it, count on it.

IE: "Hey fuckslut, Its Harry, took your number after/at/etc. Not to worry, Ill catch you another time"

Less than 10 seconds

Phone second time, it rings to voicemail "Hey fuckslut, its Harry, give me a call when you have a gap, number"

Less than 10 seconds

NO THIRD CALL. DITCH THE NUMBER AFTER SECOND VOICEMAIL

From there

- If she returns call first time round, shes up for it and not even playing hard to get
- If she returns second time round, let that motherfucker ring through. Return her call day or two later, even if she is leaving some gushing message about meeting or some crap. You make her wait now
- No calls longer than 3-4 minutes, you chat, flirt and setup a meet, cut her short.
- If she sends you texts, ignore the things. If she responds by text after you told her to call the second time around, IGNORE THE FUCKING THING. If she asks you when you speak why you dont text, just say its impersonal and all a little bit queer. You got no time for that shit.

If she does not return your calls you are wasting your time. You just saved yourself a ton of time by only concentrating on women who are genuinely interested in you and have a high interest level, which is one of the major reasons why you always phone. You make her chase you a bit too if she does not answer

Every homo trying to get with her spends all day sending her uplifting messages of support and cute little smiley faces. Dont be one of those douchebags.

Dont work the numbers you get hard, work hard to get the numbers.

You do this with girls that you haven't yet met?

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-14-2012 02:30 PM)houston Wrote:  

Phone game will help strengthen your overall ability to talk to a girl. I'm lucky that I caught the last wave before cell phones blew up. I had to put in my work with telephone and house phone game. I don't think these youngsters would last a day without text messaging. Damn, its been so long since I worked on my phone game. I need to start using it more. Extra points if you have a nice, deep voice.

Then hit me with those extra points. I always get told I sound like Keanu Reeves. Hopefully not in his stoner voice but either will do.

Duuuuude...what day will the earth stand still?

[thegmanifesto]

(06-14-2012 01:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Airtight plans turn into shit if you don't stay in contact. After two days girls think you've moved on and start making other plans. Also I'm not offering up skydiving lessons as a first date. You almost have to text to keep the fish on the hook. I was talking to another forum member the other day about this. He made a solid date for friday on monday via call and didn't call again to Friday. She thought she was an after thought and declined.

Yeah, texting to keep "on hook" is reasonable.

(06-14-2012 01:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

G, I very much like the idea of not going online, not texting- doing everything "organically" or old school. I'm curious to know about the scene you are working in. It would be great if this approach can be universally applied to every tribe (to me, an example of different tribal values would be hipster girls not reacting to big muscles and machismo in the same way the Guidettes would).

I roll high end lounges and restaurants.

Dope events and gigs.

Generally my target girl is aged 24-32. Although 21 year olds are not uncommon. Never younger than that.

I roll the CASH heavy spots with girls and high heels and dresses.

I think it does make a difference.

(06-14-2012 01:58 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I think G and Mechanico are both right. I've been calling and txting here and there after. My numbers have gone way up. I don't see a 9 going for just texting unless you are higher value (or whatever the game term is). I also don't see just making a phone call for later in the week and no follow up working either. Not consistently anyway.

Yeah, a combo is good.

"Setting the Date" and getting her excited should always be by phone.

And no "text conversations".

(06-14-2012 02:14 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

If a chick is not taking your calls, she is not going to be taking your dick. You phone them to qualify them as much as anything too lads.

That is basically the way I think about it.

[slubu]

(06-14-2012 01:28 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Try this:

The next 30 girls numbers you get, call. Don't text.

Let me know how it works out.

Deal. I'm going to try this. I've been doing text exclusively in '12 and it's been working out well, but maybe I'll try this now for the next X set of numbers I get.

[MrXY]

(06-14-2012 01:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 01:44 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 01:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

You can build attraction through text and when they call you hit the fuck you button on them which builds more attraction. Script flipped. I told a girl yesterday via text that I want to take her on a date to the gas station. I told her if it goes well I'll we'll visit the condom isle. She text me back then called. Nope! I'm not answering.

I don't doubt it.

Not my style though.

I don't have the type or energy for little games.

I need to schedule things and get them inked on the books.

Texting is counter productive.

Everything can be handled ie locked down, excitement, plans, air tight in a 5 minute conversation.

Airtight plans turn into shit if you don't stay in contact. After two days girls think you've moved on and start making other plans. Also I'm not offering up skydiving lessons as a first date. You almost have to text to keep the fish on the hook. I was talking to another forum member the other day about this. He made a solid date for friday on monday via call and didn't call again to Friday. She thought she was an after thought and declined.

This is my experience also. Girls are so used to text being a constant lifeline that they assume that you are no longer interested unless they get a text from you from time to time.

I made a date with a girl on Monday for this coming Sunday. Didn't text her anymore. This afternoon I got a text from her "Hows it going". Obviously this was a "feeler" text to make sure that I was still interested in the date. These days you have to maintain a connection to keep you on their mind.

But I do avoid any lengthy text conversations or heavy text flirting-I think that plays into her frame by giving her the attention she craves without her reciprocating with sex and lessens your aura of mystery

[el mechanico]

For the record..My best pussy daze were when I had no answering machine and just a caller id box. I would pull solid digits and call then go out and stop back at home to see how many girls called. Pick up the phone and make a solid right fucking now date or go out and hunt.
Some girls would call 50 times while I was out. There was also a lot more girls out at night back then so you didn't really have to worry about it. They had nobody to text because it didn't exist. No computer to sit at either. They were so slow most chicks didn't have the patience.
I had to adapt to this but would rather do it the other way.

[Moma]

I have to concur with g on this. A lot of times, the old ways are the best ways to do things.

I used to hit up online a lot and deal with a lot of fat lizards with attitudes and more baggage than Heathrow Terminal 3.

Since I came back from Africa, I just got very tired of texting and going online for broads. I have not been online since I came back and I get bored of texting. I don't do the goofy text jokes anymore and I just would rather pick up the phone.

Results have been very pleasing and I have been eating rather well in a famine ravaged city.

If they don't pick up the phone anymore, go out and hunt for a lizard that DOES pick up the phone.

I don't know if it was G or Mixx or Roosh who said this but, if you are dwelling too much on the lizard, it means you haven't got enough to sift through. Fcuk if she is a 9. The world has MILLIONS of 9's. Go out and hunt for more.

Last week, I got 5 lizardly numbers. Two have flaked on me. I have deleted the contact of one and will delete the contact of the other. In the past, I'd be dwelling over what I did wrong.
Fcuk them. We are men and our value is always higher. You did nothing wrong, they did.
Go and hunt for brand new.

[el mechanico]

(06-14-2012 09:23 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I have to concur with g on this. A lot of times, the old ways are the best ways to do things.

I used to hit up online a lot and deal with a lot of fat lizards with attitudes and more baggage than Heathrow Terminal 3.

Since I came back from Africa, I just got very tired of texting and going online for broads. I have not been online since I came back and I get bored of texting. I don't do the goofy text jokes anymore and I just would rather pick up the phone.

Results have been very pleasing and I have been eating rather well in a famine ravaged city.

If they don't pick up the phone anymore, go out and hunt for a lizard that DOES pick up the phone.

I don't know if it was G or Mixx or Roosh who said this but, if you are dwelling too much on the lizard, it means you haven't got enough to sift through. Fcuk if she is a 9. The world has MILLIONS of 9's. Go out and hunt for more.

Last week, I got 5 lizardly numbers. Two have flaked on me. I have deleted the contact of one and will delete the contact of the other. In the past, I'd be dwelling over what I did wrong.
Fcuk them. We are men and our value is always higher. You did nothing wrong, they did.
Go and hunt for brand new.

I go cold but never delete. It's a boomerang effect. They all come back. That day she didn't take your call she may have been moving in with her ex. I'm all about recycling flakes and have almost every one since I came here. All via text.

I say..Most the work been done so it's time to get paid. I've preached this to friends and coached them when they get frustrated. Part of the text game is showing not needy-ness.

[Hooligan Harry]

(06-14-2012 02:52 PM)soup Wrote:  

You do this with girls that you haven't yet met?

Are you getting random numbers out of the yellow pages?

Why are you contacting women you have not met yet?

[IVth_Element]

(06-14-2012 10:46 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 02:17 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

a high note Costanza eject,

what does this mean?


as far as a bold move? What kind of bold move were u think straightlaced? Something like texting her, "I'm picking u up after work for a drink. Meet u there at 10"?? Bold moves are hard to pull off on text & really need to be done in person, but if she's flaking on his date requests it's tuff...

Just joking with the Costanza thing, but actually useful. It's basically leaving an interaction when your value is high, if you have no opportunity to build greater value, usually due to logistics or dealing with a mixed set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eADp09TYi0A

[IVth_Element]

(06-14-2012 11:53 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Here is the Harry formula.

Get the bitch on the phone, get the bitch out, get the bitch drunk, go caveman on the bitch the minute she is isolated. If she does not put out after a few, she is probably never going to put out unless she is contacting you to arrange another meet a few days after. Could be a 6, could be a 10. All the same.

You young uns and this gay texting nonsense though. Stop interpreting toneless text messages like chicks. Phone them, talk to them, listen to their tone, and tell them whats happening. Phone the bitches, texting is to send directions or give a short confirmation or updates. Nothing more. And short calls, cut them off after 3-4 minutes, you too busy.

Harry, I agree in almost all situations but I've been around enough to know when texting is optimal just to build comfort. I almost NEVER use this type of game.

I'm talking a girl that's at work at 8:00 am, leaves works at 5:00 pm, shows up at class at 5:25pm and goes home around 10:00 pm.

She would eat her own shit with a spoon and could give a fuck less about entertaining the calls of the 20 guys that hit on her everyday. In a southern town of a few hundred thousand, she can stake by on looks for quite a while. The odds of ANYONE fucking this girl are about 500 to 1, reasonably and I have money, a who gives a fuck attitude (usually) and decent game.

[IVth_Element]

(06-14-2012 01:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

You can build attraction through text and when they call you hit the fuck you button on them which builds more attraction. Script flipped. I told a girl yesterday via text that I want to take her on a date to the gas station. I told her if it goes well I'll we'll visit the condom isle. She text me back then called. Nope! I'm not answering.

hahahha

[soup]

(06-14-2012 09:52 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 02:52 PM)soup Wrote:  

You do this with girls that you haven't yet met?

Are you getting random numbers out of the yellow pages?

Why are you contacting women you have not met yet?

OKC. They don't make the Yellow Pages anymore.

[soup]

(06-14-2012 08:56 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

For the record..My best pussy daze were when I had no answering machine and just a caller id box. I would pull solid digits and call then go out and stop back at home to see how many girls called. Pick up the phone and make a solid right fucking now date or go out and hunt.
Some girls would call 50 times while I was out. There was also a lot more girls out at night back then so you didn't really have to worry about it. They had nobody to text because it didn't exist. No computer to sit at either. They were so slow most chicks didn't have the patience.
I had to adapt to this but would rather do it the other way.

Here's the problem- fewer girls out at night, but more people on earth than ever before. The bitches are somewhere. People hate on online game, but there are a lot of girls spending time in front of the computer.

[IVth_Element]

(06-14-2012 01:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 01:44 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 01:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

You can build attraction through text and when they call you hit the fuck you button on them which builds more attraction. Script flipped. I told a girl yesterday via text that I want to take her on a date to the gas station. I told her if it goes well I'll we'll visit the condom isle. She text me back then called. Nope! I'm not answering.

I don't doubt it.

Not my style though.

I don't have the type or energy for little games.

I need to schedule things and get them inked on the books.

Texting is counter productive.

Everything can be handled ie locked down, excitement, plans, air tight in a 5 minute conversation.

Airtight plans turn into shit if you don't stay in contact. After two days girls think you've moved on and start making other plans. Also I'm not offering up skydiving lessons as a first date. You almost have to text to keep the fish on the hook. I was talking to another forum member the other day about this. He made a solid date for friday on monday via call and didn't call again to Friday. She thought she was an after thought and declined.

Mechanico is living in the land of reality. Texting does play a function although I agree that a call shows balls. A call is not always the best plan right out the gate.

Again, I am not even talking about 8's, whom I deal with probably 100 to 1 over a sold 9.5. This is not the same game, even though most just group them.

These girls are fucking bulletproof outside of large cities. They get at least 10 to 20 guys a day offering them their soul just to sit and have a drink. Unfortunate but true.

G's plan basically filters the shit out of these girls or scares them off. Fine if you live in NYC, Miami, EE, LA or even Tampa. I'm talking about a place where you see this kind of girl every 6 months at best.

Still, my phone game is miles above my text game, but a girl that literally has less than 45 minutes a day away from work and school and a pussy paved with gold, you have to warm up the runway before you have a chance to pull it in. The percentage of girls in this bracket that are answering calls right out the gate are easily less than 10%. Their phones buzz constantly with beta males, dudes with money, good looks, etc. For guys outside of major cities and eastern europe, this quality requires more tact. You have to get them comfortable before you get them on the line or your hit rate will fall drastically. Take it or leave it.

With that said, I shot myself in the foot restarting the interaction on a Monday. I should have texted Wednesday, set a date for the weekend on Thursday and worked face to face on Friday. Lesson learned.

[IVth_Element]

(06-14-2012 11:53 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Here is the Harry formula.

Get the bitch on the phone, get the bitch out, get the bitch drunk, go caveman on the bitch the minute she is isolated. If she does not put out after a few, she is probably never going to put out unless she is contacting you to arrange another meet a few days after. Could be a 6, could be a 10. All the same.

You young uns and this gay texting nonsense though. Stop interpreting toneless text messages like chicks. Phone them, talk to them, listen to their tone, and tell them whats happening. Phone the bitches, texting is to send directions or give a short confirmation or updates. Nothing more. And short calls, cut them off after 3-4 minutes, you too busy.

Again, this strategy works fine when you have at least one or two 9's to open a week. I've literally not seen anything better than an 8 in months where I live. That's reality. I don't give a fuck to interpret anything a girl says but if you think that the market reality of a 9.5 in southern USA isn't miles different than even a girl in Tampa, sorry but you will be rudely surprised. Their egos are fucking sky high. The first call will be ignored in almost every situation. They HAVE to filer. If you don't build at least a small base of comfort, you have no chance and sadly the face to face window of establishing that, in this situation, was about 10 minutes.

The KEY is getting them face to face again, which I am a specialist in handling. Getting them there is no doubt a major feat. Again, 8's are not a major issue for me.

[Hooligan Harry]

Dude, if the chick cant take a call for 5 minutes, how the hell is she going to find the two hours you need to get her on her back? When women are making excuses about being too busy or warning you up front, its not a good sign. They are women, they spend their day doing mostly fuck all.

The problem here is not that the chick is busy, its that you have so much invested in a positive outcome with this broad that you are afraid to act now. Which has you acting like a puppy, happy for any scraps she decides to throw you, scared you going to blow your chance. You have her on a pedestal so high her toenails are sitting at your eye level.

Guys, analyzing text messages?

No.

The fact that you think you need to have balls now to phone a woman just shows how you younger players are getting lazy. Why do you need balls to phone some bird? Either she is meeting you or you are forgetting her the minute you hang up and moving onto the next one. Its one or the other.

Ill stress it again. Its not about playing it right for them, its about making sure she is interested and you are not wasting your time.

Thats the reason you phone.

(06-15-2012 02:04 AM)soup Wrote:  

Here's the problem- fewer girls out at night, but more people on earth than ever before. The bitches are somewhere. People hate on online game, but there are a lot of girls spending time in front of the computer.

And there are even more of them walking on the streets, standing at bus stops, buying food in shopping centres, walking around malls looking to blow their paychecks.

[soup]

(06-15-2012 02:38 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 02:04 AM)soup Wrote:  

Here's the problem- fewer girls out at night, but more people on earth than ever before. The bitches are somewhere. People hate on online game, but there are a lot of girls spending time in front of the computer.

And there are even more of them walking on the streets, standing at bus stops, buying food in shopping centres, walking around malls looking to blow their paychecks.

Yes, if they aren't shopping online. So, this all points to Day-Game and Online-Game being the "it" hunting grounds instead of the night clubs. The numbers are just better in Day-Game. At night, a lot of guys are expecting the clubs to have done the game for them by getting the chicks drunk and physically activated.

[IVth_Element]

(06-15-2012 02:38 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

They are women, they spend their day doing mostly fuck all.

I agree with your approach. I use it almost exclusively.

Not the case in this particular situation. Her time between work and school M-F 8am to 10 pm is 5:15 to 5:25 pm. Sure, I can call and leave a voicemail, but I'd rather build up more interest during the week by engaging her through text and then setting up a face to face. Like I said, the girl was texting me during exams and every free 30 seconds she had. She has 50 other dudes that she could have been texting. Phone game filters these girl, but it's not optimal out the gate when she's actually not doing fuck all.

[IVth_Element]

Alright. I'm gonna break down my recent interaction with her, as I deleted the number and no longer give a FUCK.

I'm grabbing a few drinks downtown and texting her while she's in class. She's writing me back like 10 lines at a time. She's basically writing me novels by the minute for 20 minutes flat while sitting at a desk. These girls LIVE by text in the US. That's reality.

It's the 4th day and I'm done playing games. I basically tell her that she can make time to get together; that a few texts a day isn't gonna cut it.

She straight flipped her shit.

I played it cool. Called her out on it and deleted the number.

Anyone thinking that phone game would have made a difference here is wrong. Like I said, in most situations, it's what I use exclusively but it's not an end all when their market value is 50x that of South Beach. I didn't put her on a pedestal. I told her in the first 30 seconds of meeting her that most guys probably see her as materialistic, stuck up, etc. I know how to push buttons to get interest. That said, I'm still cognizant of reality. The top 1% is a fickle group and their ego's are MASSIVE. She replied within seconds of every text I sent every day, but for someone that actually has more options than time, she is not gonna take an ounce of pressure. Reality.

I'm not claiming to have major skills in this area, but I'm sure as fuck that the straight call after a 10 minute intro wouldn't have done anything besides put myself in the 99% of guys that call her every day. She actually enjoyed not being pressured and most guys will blow it based on our own egos, just like I did. She wants to see if I can take the pressure and I decided to cut it off instead of playing the game.

[Kona]

I swoop quite a few girls, and like to think a lot of them are good looking.

I also have been a firm believer in only using the talking function of the phone. Unfortunately, it's getting harder and harder. You just gotta text. And it doesn't matter where the girl is from. American girls got nothing on Asian girls. Even half-Asian girls. Try being a grown man and getting this message and still keeping your dick up "hEy BEBEBE kANt wAIt to cu to9" it'll drive you crazy.

And they don't answer their damn phones when you call. Some of these girls only got phones that text.

(06-15-2012 03:00 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

Her time between work and school M-F 8am to 10 pm is 5:15 to 5:25 pm.

I just don't believe those hours for a girl like you've described.

Aloha!

[IVth_Element]

Kona, I trust your word but it's reality. She works at Wells Fargo from 8 am to 5 pm M-F and has class 5 days a week from 5:30 to 10 pm. I know her friends. We went to high school together. The bitch is driven as hell. The first thing her friends say is that she never has time to hang out with them anymore. I'm hunting in a small pool and this girl is a shark unfortunately. Still I give her no value, and her clock has much less time than mine and my resources are miles longer.

[Kona]

(06-15-2012 03:40 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

Kona, I trust your word but it's reality. She works at Wells Fargo from 8 am to 5 pm M-F and has class 5 days a week from 5:30 to 10 pm. I know her friends. We went to high school together. The bitch is driven as hell. The first thing her friends say is that she never has time to hang out with them anymore. I'm hunting in a small pool and this girl is a shark unfortunately. Still I give her no value, and her clock has much less time than mine and my resources are miles longer.

Ok. I just don't trust 96% of what girls say, be it over text or in person or however.

My only advice then is this:

1) Don't give her too much personal information, and close any account you have at Wells Fargo. I believe the computer system is called Hogan, and she's already ran you through it.

2) Understand that a girl that busy, and that sought after, is possibly just looking for a text buddy. Think about it, she's got nothing else to do but play with her iPhone while she's in class or at work.

Hope that helps.

Aloha!

[IVth_Element]

I don't trust them either and usually don't care.

If she checks me on Wells Fargo, then she's seen accounts running 6 digits over the last 3 years. Not a big issue, but good to know about the Hogan system. I usually give girls a fake last name or a 'just off' spelling so it sounds accurate if mentioned in public but not enough to track me down. In this case, I gave her the real last name, which was probably stupid on my part. All my funds have been moved in the last 6 months to a smaller bank so no big deal.

Yeah, you're right about her probably looking for a text buddy. I'm usually not that guy. Like I said, I called her out on it and she lost her shit. Big fucking deal, I guess. I deleted the number.

My real issue is wasting my time in a shitty town. Hitting Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, and NYC for a few weeks every couple of months isn't cutting it. I'm doing well with the top 5-10% here but I need new stomping grounds. Everything over an 8 is off the damn charts acting ridiculous here, which I have the skills to pull much easier in other places.

[Kona]

(06-15-2012 04:04 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

If she checks me on Wells Fargo, then she's seen accounts running 6 digits over the last 3 years.

Now this changes things. You've come to the master.

Is she a teller?

Does she get a bonus for referring clients to investment people? Even if not she sounds like a go getter, so she wants to look good and bring in business.

Of course she's looked you up. If she has time to text at work she has time to fuck around in the computer.

Of course, don't represent that you know she's ran you through the system. Give her a call and say "Hey whatever happened with us personally is what it is, but I've got some money in a small bank that I'm just not happy with." Mention Private Banking and whatnot.

Now she is gonna believe you because she's seen your Wells Fargo accounts.

When she calls you speak to her vast financial intelligence. Tell her you don't trust too many people and you want her advice. Now with her busy schedule, you can only meet her after 10 right?

You meet her at a bar to talk dollars. The thing is, you show up half drunk. Tell her to catch up. Go from there.

I can't tell you how many tellers, real estate agents, interns and whatnot I've ran through.

Please let me know what I can do.

Aloha!