[joehoya]

(06-10-2012 12:29 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

...I've had two girlfriends who would openly talk about their celebrity fuck list. That if Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Bill Clinton (yeah, one of em went there), or Ryan Gosling approached these girls, they'd fuck em in a heartbeat. Does that make me paranoid? Hell no, and it just reaffirms my lack of conscience when a hot girl crosses my path and I go for the bang, LTR be damned. If a girl can justify it, so can I.

Celebrity fuck lists are a funny thing. I knew a couple (now split up) that had celebrity fuck lists. Both were good looking (solid 8's to 8.5). In fact, the guy was a little higher level than the girl. The girl came up with the idea of them both having celebrity fuck lists where they would get a pass if either of them fucked one of the celebrities on the list.

When they told me this, the guy was actually saying it to demonstrate how cool his girlfriend was about letting him fuck a girl on his list. The girl claimed that it was "only fair" to let him have a list if she was going to have one.

I am surprised that I actually had to explain to this guy just how fucking stupid this idea was. It is not like he had an equal shot at a ONS with Jennifer Love Hewitt or Megan Fox as his girlfriend had with someone on her list saying yes to fucking her. The girlfriend replied "Well, that's not my fault."

The second problem was even funnier. All of the women on his Celebrity Fuck list were singers and actresses who lived in Hollywood (he has never been to California). The majority of guys on his girlfriend's celebrity fuck list were pro athletes that played for teams in OUR CITY.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-10-2012 03:33 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

Celebrity fuck lists are a funny thing. I knew a couple (now split up) that had celebrity fuck lists. Both were good looking (solid 8's to 8.5). In fact, the guy was a little higher level than the girl. The girl came up with the idea of them both having celebrity fuck lists where they would get a pass if either of them fucked one of the celebrities on the list.

When they told me this, the guy was actually saying it to demonstrate how cool his girlfriend was about letting him fuck a girl on his list. The girl claimed that it was "only fair" to let him have a list if she was going to have one.

I am surprised that I actually had to explain to this guy just how fucking stupid this idea was. It is not like he had an equal shot at a ONS with Jennifer Love Hewitt or Megan Fox as his girlfriend had with someone on her list saying yes to fucking her. The girlfriend replied "Well, that's not my fault."

The second problem was even funnier. All of the women on his Celebrity Fuck list were singers and actresses who lived in Hollywood (he has never been to California). The majority of guys on his girlfriend's celebrity fuck list were pro athletes that played for teams in OUR CITY.

"Ok baby, here is my list. Jessica and I are going to the Yankee game. After we are going to grab some cocktails at Derek Jeters new restaurant. Don't wait up!"

Your friend did not think this one through very well lol. Far too easy to meet pro athletes. Meeting Jennifer Aniston? Good fuckin luck.

Personally though, I wouldn't want to be so famous that people recognize me on the street. Those people can't even go to the mall. I think being a b-level pro athlete would be the way to go. Many of the perks without so many drawbacks.

I think being a B rate celebrity here in Bangkok would be killer. Be the token white guy on some Thai TV show or soap. Get access to that upper tier of rich Thai girls who drive their daddy's Ferrari around and shit.

[joehoya]

(06-10-2012 02:19 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Thank You. "Looks matter" "Status/money over game" threads are just pointless. Subtle trolling.

I don't consider it subtle trolling. I consider it an acknowledgement of reality. While game is great, too many guys in "the community" seem to speak about it as if it is some super amulet that neutralizes everything else. The fact that there is even a debate on whether looks/money/status/fame matter illustrates this.

Its like folks want to believe that they can be a 5'4" pudgy guy with a receding hairline who is unemployed and lives with his mom, but if they can just get 10 minutes to run some game on Beyonce and show how "alpha" they are they will be fucking her in the backseat of Jay-Z's Maybach in under an hour, because game beats everything, doesn't it?

That makes for a good story, and would probably sell books, home study courses, and seminars, but it doesn't acknowledge reality. The reality is that looks, status, money, and fame DO MATTER, and it is by understanding how, why, and when they matter that we can improve our own game.

It might hurt people's feelings, but that is the way it is. I am not saying that the better looking/more famous/richer guy will ALWAYS be able to pull EVERY girl from a less attractive/unknown/poorer guy regardless of how much game the lesser guy has, but it does matter.

Part of what makes THIS FORUM great is that on some level we understand this and EXPLOIT IT. This is why so many guys travel (particularly to developing nations). As an American (or Brit, Canadian, etc) you get a boost in status/money relative to the locals in these countries.

If you don't believe me, read some of the earliest Colombia threads, then read some of the most recent one's. Pay special attention to MiXX's evaluation of Colombia back in 2000 with how it is now. Did MiXX's game get worse 10 years later? Did he become less alpha? No. Our status as American's has lowered, thus it is harder to pull. Status DOES matter. The same thing happens with money.

Rather than ignoring these issues and simply say "game trumps everything, every time", lets take this information and figure out how we can use it to our advantage.

[Hades]

Rather be a busted dude with tight game than a B-list celebrity.

[pitt]

(06-10-2012 04:02 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(06-10-2012 02:19 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Thank You. "Looks matter" "Status/money over game" threads are just pointless. Subtle trolling.

I don't consider it subtle trolling. I consider it an acknowledgement of reality. While game is great, too many guys in "the community" seem to speak about it as if it is some super amulet that neutralizes everything else. The fact that there is even a debate on whether looks/money/status/fame matter illustrates this.

Its like folks want to believe that they can be a 5'4" pudgy guy with a receding hairline who is unemployed and lives with his mom, but if they can just get 10 minutes to run some game on Beyonce and show how "alpha" they are they will be fucking her in the backseat of Jay-Z's Maybach in under an hour, because game beats everything, doesn't it?

That makes for a good story, and would probably sell books, home study courses, and seminars, but it doesn't acknowledge reality. The reality is that looks, status, money, and fame DO MATTER, and it is by understanding how, why, and when they matter that we can improve our own game.

It might hurt people's feelings, but that is the way it is. I am not saying that the better looking/more famous/richer guy will ALWAYS be able to pull EVERY girl from a less attractive/unknown/poorer guy regardless of how much game the lesser guy has, but it does matter.

Part of what makes THIS FORUM great is that on some level we understand this and EXPLOIT IT. This is why so many guys travel (particularly to developing nations). As an American (or Brit, Canadian, etc) you get a boost in status/money relative to the locals in these countries.

If you don't believe me, read some of the earliest Colombia threads, then read some of the most recent one's. Pay special attention to MiXX's evaluation of Colombia back in 2000 with how it is now. Did MiXX's game get worse 10 years later? Did he become less alpha? No. Our status as American's has lowered, thus it is harder to pull. Status DOES matter. The same thing happens with money.

Rather than ignoring these issues and simply say "game trumps everything, every time", lets take this information and figure out how we can use it to our advantage.

For real Joehoya, thats some real talk.

In my opinion fame is a HUGE factor in game and this has been proven to me few times. People say that i look a lot like Anderson from Manchester United to the point that when i am in Brazil, i get approached and asked if i am Anderson from Manchester. I remember one time in Camden Town, London ( a neighbourhood where you may get to see some famous people) me and my friends were approaching every girl that was walking past, then we see this white girl going to the shop, my friends approached her and im just there watching them (actually one of my friends knew her, she was a huge football fan), next minute, he asks her, do you know my friend? (he points me out), i tell him ''yo dont tell her who i am''..she is like..''who is he''? He goes: ''Its Anderson from Manchester United, i thought you knew him''. She literally went CRAZY..''oh my god, oh my god..can i please take you a picture?PLEASE give me an autograph so i can show it to my brother''.. I killed my alpha image right there, i started acting like im not interested and im your typical beta who is only interested in playing football..she gets WAY more interested..overblowing me with compliments..''you are so cuteeee, are you married?'' A girl that literally didnt recognise my presence when she arrived and was sort of ignoring the guys that i was with, next minute, she didnt want to leave., After so many questions and compliments, i told her, lets have a quick walk..i walked her to the corner, kissed her, touched her pussy, i asked her to suck my dick, she told me she never sucks dicks and wouldnt do it but that she really liked me..i tell her i am going to leave, she asks me for my number, i tell her i dont give out my number because people usually pass my number around and i keep getting phone calls from random people so i avoid giving out my number.

Since that day (well i have had other ''anderson's'' experiences, but its too long to share here), i completely understand that fame is a HUGE FACTOR. Actuallly, on my way home that day, i was asking myself..do famous people have that easy?(easy to the point where you dont even have to talk) If i knew from day one how easy famous people had pussy, i would be playing football day and night like crazy since the age of 7.

[joehoya]

Personally, I don't care for fame at all. I would rather be rich and anonymous than rich and famous.

Bill Murray put it best in an interview:

Quote:

“I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. "See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job."

If you are famous (especially if you are an athlete), you get pussy thrown at you, but you also get a shit ton of chicks that are trying to get pregnant by you, or will throw a false rape claim at you to blackmail you. Yeah, that happens to regular guys too, but famous guys are an even bigger target.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

In my personal opinion, I wouldn't want fame at all unless it was the kind derived from say a Nobel Prize for instance. Hell yeah I'll take being in that club. Damn exclusive one at that. I would spend the prize money and live comfortably although I wouldn't revel or flaunt it like I had something to prove.

However we want to spin it, it is necessary to hold in awe those who take us one step closer to truth and have scaled intellectual heights that no man or woman has ever done before.

Celebrities, movie starts, and all that like, they can keep their fame. What have they done for human civilization besides "culture"(I'd argue modern day "culture" is about to file for chapter 11 even though it's finances remain strong). I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy(fame in the celebrity sense). If (insanely improbable) I were to win a Nobel Prize in Physics (just as an example) I would feel it incumbent upon myself to accept the award and do everything I could to bring awareness to and enhance enthusiasm for the field, not only by coming up with ground-breaking work no one had ever done or dreamed of before, but by passing on an entrepreneurial spirit that strives for truth, whether it be game, physics, biology, cosmology, or women's studies.(hahaha)

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 04:43 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

Personally, I don't care for fame at all. I would rather be rich and anonymous than rich and famous.

Bill Murray put it best in an interview:

Quote:

“I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. "See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job."

If you are famous (especially if you are an athlete), you get pussy thrown at you, but you also get a shit ton of chicks that are trying to get pregnant by you, or will throw a false rape claim at you to blackmail you. Yeah, that happens to regular guys too, but famous guys are an even bigger target.

I just can't get over the fact that these celebs and athletes knew at least to some degree what they were getting into. It is ridiculous that they have to deal with that bullshit but at the same time I don't feel any sympathy for them given the lifestyle they live. This happens all the time to the international playboys on this thread. Do I feel sorry for that? No. I hate on crazy bitch behavior.

I'm sure this happens all the time to Roosh and Gmanifesto. (just picking two names out of a crowd of players on the RVF) You don't see them bitch about it very often, if at all, and when they do it's directed at something specific. They chose the playboy lifestyle knowing they would get haters but guess what? I'm willing to be they are members of the 1%, and not on the wealth scale. I bet they are members of the 1% who are...

Living On Their Own Terms

[The Fantasist]

I was in a club in London where a lot of footballers were hanging out . It was absolutely unreal! The footballers were in the VIP area and there were about 20 hot girls hanging around by the roped off area just hoping to get invited in to meet them. Every now and then a guy that was with the footballers would go grab a girl that had been pointed out and bring her in where she would then drink champagne and end up getting off with a player,it was like running a train. When the club closed the players left with about 10 girls who all looked very happy to be chosen for the inevitable fucking. The thing was that these players were not the David Beckhams/Lampards/Rooney's off this world but championship players for clubs like Reading and Portsmouth who I didn't even recognise. It made me sick with envy.

Personally I would not want fame,I always think of Bernie Taupin. Nobody would recognise him or really heard of him yet he has made millions from writing Elton John's songs. The only downside is having to hang around with the big fat puff that is Elton.

[void]

everything is about status, even old school game simulates high status behaviour (fake till you make it), whereas the new game is usually about improving yourself to gain real status (working out, more money, better style,............).

who is the apex predator pussy slayer in any venue, the guy with the highest status. among ordinary people a pro footballer has "high" status. among the other footballers, hes just like the others and he competes among them for the "alpha" position. every definition of high status is relative to (social) environment someone has to compete in. survival of fittest, evolution. usually you dont slay beneath your league, (you could), so this rule is still valid

[Excelsior]

To the dudes downplaying the nuance of all this and claiming it to be normalized at the same level everywhere, I say this: yes, hypergamy is absolutely present in ALL female populations. All women are, by their nature, naturally hypergamous.

It is also true, however, that the expression of this hypergamous instinct is not always the same from girl-to-girl and from culture to culture. Differences exist-we're fooling ourselves if we pretend they don't.

There are absolutely some unique factors inherent to American society (ex: insane level of celebrity worship, high necessity of alpha/asshole game, high level of mental illness among female populace [lowering impulse control/rationality], relatively low levels of slut shaming, relative ease of SNL/ONS attainment, etc) that create a difference in how hypergamy is expressed here. America is certainly not the only place on Earth with a similar dynamic (I'd say the UK is very similar, along with the rest of the Anglosphere), but not every female society will express its hypergamy in exactly the same way. How they express it will be shaped in some way by a host of factors, for better or for worse. This, I think, is and important factor not to lose sight of.

[joehoya]

(06-10-2012 04:43 AM)pitt Wrote:  

...Since that day (well i have had other ''anderson's'' experiences, but its too long to share here), i completely understand that fame is a HUGE FACTOR. Actuallly, on my way home that day, i was asking myself..do famous people have that easy?(easy to the point where you dont even have to talk) If i knew from day one how easy famous people had pussy, i would be playing football day and night like crazy since the age of 7.

Yeah, the whole fame thing is weird. My funniest experiences with it have been when folk (always women) mistake me for some random NFL player. The gleam in their eye when they asked quickly turned into disappointment when I said no. While I would still prefer to be rich and anonymous, I do often regret not playing football when I was younger and developing my physical attributes. Who knows what would have happened. The pussy would have been nice, though.

[Screwston]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-12491.html
This is thread you asked about mechanico where homeboy's girl was getting hit on by a celebrity at work

Guys, don't focus and dream about being famous. it's not going to happen and will make you depressed and pissed if you start imagining the "what if's". Just make your money and do ya thing.

[Samseau]

(06-10-2012 04:43 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

Personally, I don't care for fame at all. I would rather be rich and anonymous than rich and famous.

Bill Murray put it best in an interview:

Quote:

“I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. "See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job."

If you are famous (especially if you are an athlete), you get pussy thrown at you, but you also get a shit ton of chicks that are trying to get pregnant by you, or will throw a false rape claim at you to blackmail you. Yeah, that happens to regular guys too, but famous guys are an even bigger target.

Fame is random. No one knows what makes you famous or not. If you did know, you'd be famous, now wouldn't you?



And that's the flip side of fame, and why being famous isn't the end-all-be-all.

One year you're famous, the next year no one remembers you. Celebs come and go.


Cash is a much better option. If you're smart and diligent, you can keep cash forever.

[Rurik]

(06-10-2012 04:02 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(06-10-2012 02:19 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Thank You. "Looks matter" "Status/money over game" threads are just pointless. Subtle trolling.

I don't consider it subtle trolling. I consider it an acknowledgement of reality. While game is great, too many guys in "the community" seem to speak about it as if it is some super amulet that neutralizes everything else. The fact that there is even a debate on whether looks/money/status/fame matter illustrates this.

Its like folks want to believe that they can be a 5'4" pudgy guy with a receding hairline who is unemployed and lives with his mom, but if they can just get 10 minutes to run some game on Beyonce and show how "alpha" they are they will be fucking her in the backseat of Jay-Z's Maybach in under an hour, because game beats everything, doesn't it?

That makes for a good story, and would probably sell books, home study courses, and seminars, but it doesn't acknowledge reality. The reality is that looks, status, money, and fame DO MATTER, and it is by understanding how, why, and when they matter that we can improve our own game.

It might hurt people's feelings, but that is the way it is. I am not saying that the better looking/more famous/richer guy will ALWAYS be able to pull EVERY girl from a less attractive/unknown/poorer guy regardless of how much game the lesser guy has, but it does matter.

Part of what makes THIS FORUM great is that on some level we understand this and EXPLOIT IT. This is why so many guys travel (particularly to developing nations). As an American (or Brit, Canadian, etc) you get a boost in status/money relative to the locals in these countries.

If you don't believe me, read some of the earliest Colombia threads, then read some of the most recent one's. Pay special attention to MiXX's evaluation of Colombia back in 2000 with how it is now. Did MiXX's game get worse 10 years later? Did he become less alpha? No. Our status as American's has lowered, thus it is harder to pull. Status DOES matter. The same thing happens with money.

Rather than ignoring these issues and simply say "game trumps everything, every time", lets take this information and figure out how we can use it to our advantage.

The game dogma that supports all this is that STATUS=BEHAVIOR IN THE MOMENT. Bullshit.

Status is a socially constructed position based on a set of relationships, access to resources, and distribution channels. Cold approaching, in and of itself, is not a high status behavior, and many times it conveys a low status, particularly when executed alone at a club.

Attraction is mostly to the external, not internal. It's not about some "personal quality" that attracts the women to these men. It's the fact that men have this position in society that gives them celebrity status, or a dominant position, such as that of professor.

For a lot of guys they are in their own little fantasy where they indulge constantly in the "cult of game".

Celebrities have it better. Not only do they get way more access to much better pussy, they can get much more of it with a tenth of the effort a normal guy would have to put in to get less than a tenth of the results. Fact.

And yes, in certain foreign countries, if you fit into the "sexy stereotype" that 3rd world girl has of white men, or black men, or whatever she has seen in movies and music videos, that's probably the single biggest help to getting in between her legs other than direct fame, or even good game.

The thing is, this isn't "game denialism", this is just the way the world works. You know what happens when you buy too much into "game theory"? It becomes a dogmatic belief system for betas to rationalize people without game getting laid, and it becomes a religion to make you feel better about yourself and the world.

In the same way that only a few famous men, or extremely rich men get the pick of all the hotties, only a few men with extremely good game, escalation, and other personal characters can bed hot women.

Men with insane game are rare as well. Many of them combine status, or looks to get results.

[_DC_]

Has anybody just straight up lied about being famous? I feel like it may be fairly easy to convince people you are a bench warmer on a pro team (maybe baseball if you're not jacked).

This was probably much easier to do before the advent of smart phones.

[soup]

Unlike looks, which are unchangeable, I consider fame to be part of game. It's golden game. There are many ways to achieve it. Even marginal fame within a small social circle can make things a lot easier.

[Veloce]

(06-10-2012 05:37 PM)soup Wrote:  

Unlike looks, which are unchangeable, I consider fame to be part of game. It's golden game. There are many ways to achieve it. Even marginal fame within a small social circle can make things a lot easier.

Agree. If you google my name, you get 3 pages of results. It's nothing huge, but I've fucked several groupies who knew who I was before we'd met in person. You don't have to be on T.V. or on the front page of Sports Illustrated to reap even small benefits of being known for something.

Asian food bloggers are my bread and butter

[Roosh]

Quote:

Even on a microlevel, fame is powerful.

For Washington DC, anyway.

[Screwston]

How would an average joe get some fame? I'm thinking of saying I used to play for some soccer team overseas until I injured myself

[Veloce]

I'm an average joe, by no means a great chef or on the top of my game, but I've done a few special events that were covered by some citywide press and bloggers. I cook, so it's easy enough for me to get some cheap press if I go out for a cooking demonstration, cooking competition, or if I get a somewhat high profile job. Restaurants and hotels these days either have their own PR or subcontract, and that's always one of the perks of a job is getting some free PR, so long as I don't fuck anything up too bad.

Whatever your hobby or profession is, I'd say just figure out a way to get yourself out in the public forum, either through demos, competitions, magazine articles, etc.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-10-2012 07:19 PM)houston Wrote:  

How would an average joe get some fame? I'm thinking of saying I used to play for some soccer team overseas until I injured myself

MMA fighter in the local/regional circuit. Band member in a popular local band. Popular local DJ. Owning your own trendy art gallery/tattoo studio/somethin like this and having events there. Local clothing line that is popular within a niche. Owning a local skateboard/surfing/snowboard/biking/etc. store and having some events/parties. Local television host/personality. Local drug dealer.

For me? I'm going to start my own custom raw denim jeans line here in Bangkok and open a small boutique in the trendy Thong Lor area and have parties and events there and at local clubs to promote my brand. My friend's girlfriend is a b-rate television actress here in Bangkok so she will round me up some models to outfit in my custom denim and be at the parties. I'll be the man in a small niche that attracts rich Thai 18-30 year olds because custom raw denim is expensive.*

*Just a quick brainstorming idea. Probably not something I would do.

[pikachufanboy]

cristiano ronaldo game

http://1001archives.blogspot.com.au/2011...of-28.html

[Nudge]

^^^ Ridicolous!!!

[xsplat]

(06-09-2012 02:19 PM)Riker Wrote:  

Yo but the girls who throw themselves at fame probably aren{t worth anything besides their looks no? For ltrs or whatever

Ya, but gilrls who are more attracted to wealthy men than those with average wealth are nothing but gold diggers and not worth having an LTR with.
Ya, but girls who are more attracte to handsome men are shallow and won't be able to appreciate your fine inner qualities and so are not worth having an LTR with
Ya, but girls who are into more established older men have Daddy issues and are not LTR material
Ya, but girls who are more attracted to douchebags who posture with tatoos and fit bodies are ditsy and not worthy of an LTR
Ya, but girls who are attracted to ANY attractive trait other than what I personally highlight as my sexual strategy are not worthy of an LTR