[iknowexactly]

(07-07-2013 11:15 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

for those living in the border states like california, and texas, you guys could drive to a border town that has an airport and catch a flight there. that's what my family does (we drive from northern california to mexicali and catch a flight in mexicali for GDL). it's way cheaper to do it that way.

I appreciate the suggestion, but google tells me it's a nine hour drive each way from Northern California to Mexicali.

If there were three or four people to save money on tickets this might make sense, for one person I think the car trip time/money would outweigh any fare savings.

[20Nation]

Some of you guys have been asking about me getting 3 girls in my first 3 days in Guadalajara. Well I posted a very in depth writeup about how I did it.

Here:
http://swooptheworld.com/my-first-few-ac...adalajara/

[BadWolf]

Just as a side note, I looked into buying those town houses when I was there. You can get a brand new 2 bedroom house for around 20 to 40,000 USD. GDL has a serious pollution problem that sets in during the night, you need to have a air cleaner inside your bedroom at night. Highly recommend this thing http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbin...=AC4025/00 its about 100 bucks, the filter will last a year, its quiet and keeps your house clean.

(lived there for 6 months)

[WestCoast]

^ link to properties/investment options? I can take it from there, thanks!

[BadWolf]

I don't have any of the links since I switched to Linux Mint, but type into google CASA, vende, mexico. There is one specific site that has pictures of all the houses and lets you put in a certain dollar value... its like villa something or other, I'll find it and add it to this post.

Here's one: http://www.inmomexico.com/inmo/cat-3-0/V...exico.html

http://inmuebles.mercadolibre.com.mx/ven...VENDE-CASA

Obviously the slightly more expensive ones are much nicer... I've lived in a shitty one before, its basically a small 2 bedroom apartment, if you are a single guy or married without kids, it gives you a room to teach english from. Also good for retirement. The bigger ones that are 3 and 4 bedroom deals are super sweet, loads of space and all of its poured concrete, cool all day (no A/C req'd). Plus for about 35 to 40k you get a security guard and a gate.

[WestCoast]

^ thanks.

I'll +1 you if you can help me find places that are centrally located. IE are there any good places to search for apartments in Chapultepec? The link above seems to be for homes.

[WestCoast]

As an example, this is great except the price is a tad high.... I can pick up a similar spot in other SA countries for ~$140, this one is going for $180.

http://www.inmomexico.com/inmo/TVgwMDAxO...?im_file=4

Then again that is in polanco and I'm looking for Chapultepec in GDL. But basiclaly a larger site with more listings on apartments similar to that 600 sq ft bachelor pad range would definitely be rep worthy!

[BadWolf]

Thats a very nice one... best idea is to just go down and goto a real estate agent. Personally, I'm a big DIY guy so, I like the shittier houses that go for 10 to 50k... there are some nice big properties that are sort of old. GDL bugs the sh1t out of me though because they have scorpions there the size of poodles. Don't EVER go out to that huge fvckin mountain, the pet shop owners apparently get them from out there. The roaches are funny as anything, they aren't fast like in China, they just saunter along, I swear to god bugs mimic the people of a country.

Puerto V is even worse, rattlesnakes, killer bees and tarantula's everywhere... hate those things. Had 2 of them inside my house at night, both smashed eventually but one would always crawl up on my ceiling and it was really high so I could never get to the fvcker.... eventually I just learned to fall asleep while they were up there, weird right? Hate big spiders, so I would have to buy something near DF, Oaxaca or Leon. The farther you get out of GDL the cheaper it is. Take the bus to TEQUILA, its a small town right outside GDL, happens to have a huge tequila factory there... anyway, its a dusty little town but the houses are cheap. GDL is not exactly a big city.

As for deals, the best tiangus is in Guadalupe Victoria out behind that cheap ass grocery store... you can get wheels of cheese for 30 pesos and bags of strawberries and other fruit for 2 or 3 pesos. Also nintendo games.

There's another slightly more expensive tiangus near Plaza del Sol on Saturday mornings, its huge and has some good deals as well. That's half the fun of being in GDL is all the tiangus' around, they are the best places for deals on food. You goto walmart and sh1t is jacked up 1000%, buy it on the street during a market day and you are paying next to nothing.

You guys want to pick up girls? Go hang out at the UNIVA near tepeyac. All 20 something rich girls and betas that worship them. I use to walk through calling chicks Bella Nova and they would laugh and get all flirty, every mexican chick wants to be BELANOVA. I saw her in concert with my ex, and she was going loco over this girl.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTU4ODc0Mjg=.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTM5NDI0Mjg=.html

If chicks ask you who your favorite band is, tell them these guys:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzM2NzE0MDgw.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTg3MjA5Mzgw.html

Every fvckin chick in Mexico knows these songs. Women go nuts for these dudes at the same time all of Mexico hates them cause they are huge players and all their songs are basically about how they fvck girls or in this case, just blatantly cheat on them, hahaha.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQ0NDYzOTE2.html

They'll be impressed that you know some sh1t outside of Panda and Combos.

[WestCoast]

^ ha interesting take, I'm looking more for condos/apartments centrally located down town though.

I definitely do not want to buy a house or anything like that

[bacon]

west coast check out
http://venta-casas.vivanuncios.com.mx/compra-casas

Personally I have reservations about buying property abroad (http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27979....use+hunter) especially because renting places especially unfurnished is usually an affordable easy option in most countries. That said if I was confident I was going to live somewhere for 15-20 years the country had a very stable political history I might reconsider.

[WestCoast]

^ thanks that is what I was looking for.

[NFallin]

I was out here in May as part of a month long trip in Mexico. I used a lot of the data to check the place out and stayed a week.

I have a love hate situation with this place as this was hardest city of my trip. I found Mexico City to be much easier (where I pulled my first threesome). My recommendations for this city are to pipeline hard, make sure you're staying for a long enough time to establish social circle, and make sure your logistics are solid. I didn't do any of those three properly.

Only do chapultepec if you are with people. Most of the places were sit down and I was blown out quite a bit when I was approaching solo. Only place of my trip that was like this. Friday was only a little busy, but Saturday was definitely the night.

I hit Lola lolita on Saturday but couldn't get in at only 1030pm. Met two girls outside though that drove me around and we went to their friends house party, and this club with a million different kinds of shots after. Made out with both of them and thought I had one of them but ended up losing those two to some mexican guys with game.

[Moto]

After living here for 6 months now, and getting over a 2.5 year dry-spell from back in the US to capturing 5 Mexican flags and 1 Italian flag here (4 of them in the last 5 weeks!) I am in a position to add some good info to this datasheet.

Night game:
Bar Americas
This is one of the after-hour go-to's. It is only a few minute walk from my apartment, so I have been here many times. It has heavy-duty industrial electronic music. A lot of people are on drugs on some nights. It's kind of a dirty place. But, if it is 3AM and you haven't yet pulled, consider going here. Just a couple nights ago (Dia de Independencia!) I stopped a girl who was on her way out. About 20 seconds later she takes me by the hand and has some beta-orbiter friend of hers drive us to her apartment where we immediately banged all through the night. She was my second notch from inside this club. It took me a long time to figure this place out, as I had shit luck here for the longest time. I don't really dig the vibe of this place, but because of the great logistics I make use of it. There's no need to romance the girls here, that is pissing in the wind. Get right to business and don't waste time trying to win girls over. Find the one who's down to leave immediately with you.

The taco stand outside of Bar Americas
Less than two weeks ago, Freddy_1 and I pulled two girls from this taco stand to my apartment at about 3:30 AM. If you can't stand the loud music and environment inside Bar Americas, and more low-key chatting game is your cup of tea rather than flash-pan dance floor game, you can just hang out outside bar Americas and catch the girls going in and out while enjoying some of the best tacos in the city. I recommend the tacos al pastor and the arrachera.

La Santa
You will find a similar fresa crowd here as Lucrecia bar, which is another place I frequent because I can walk to it. La Santa has an expensive cover for guys, and you'd better be dressed to impress (collared shirt at the least). One very good thing about this place is that there is a proper dance floor area. Sure, there are tables everywhere just like most clubs, but there is enough space in between them that you can cruise through the crowd and make an opportunity to meet any girl who is there. Saturday night is ladies night, unlike most places where it is Wednesday or Thursday. Some of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen were at La Santa, and many locals consider it the top club in town. I liked the music- a lot of pop dance music.

Gran Salon Corona
Probably the top salsa bar in town. It is open late. There is a cover of about 70 pesos. They offer salsa lessons at 8pm on Thursdays, and then you can stay for free when the real party begins. A lot of gorgeous girls go here, and the security is friendly. I made friends with one of the security guards, so he always lets me in even if I am solo (many fresa places do not allow solo guys in who are not part of a group with girls, or even mostly girls). The friendly security guard told me that a lot of the European girls go here- French and German girls. I saw some of that, but overall plenty of gorgeous girls. Of course, it's hard to have much luck at a salsa club without some salsa skills. But go for the lessons, you might just find a sexy latina who needs a dance partner and knows what she is doing!


Lola Lolitas
Wednesday ladies night. This is perhaps the most popular ladies night destination in the city. It is near Chapultepec, and there is no cover. You will find tons of hot women and great ratios. Still, I did not have luck here. I've actually found, in general but especially here, women are more stand-offish when it is ladies night.

Tribeca- NOT RECOMMENDED
This is the kind of fresa nightclub I do not recommend. The "dance floor" has so many tables close together that it is very difficult to approach girls at this place. Drinks are way too expensive, and there is no redeeming feature to justify paying for them.

Day Game:

Via Recreativa
This is on Sunday when the city closes a number of streets to cars. Tons of people are out on the street on bicycles. If you don't have a bike here, no worry- there are plenty of people on foot. I see places where you can rent a bicycle for a day at the parks along Vallarta. You can go up and down Chapultepec, and up and down Vallarta. There are other roads closed and festivities in Zapopan, but I have not explored around there much. There will be lots of people who are not on their way somewhere- approachable girls- sitting on benches along Chapultepec, and in the plazas outside of the Cathedral and the Expiatorio (a truly gorgeous cathedral that exceeds anything I saw in London in terms of aesthetics) which are along Vallarta. You might come across little events taking place. Once I happened upon a costume contest, and then chatted up an extremely cute college girl dressed up as Alice from Wonderland after she got off the little stage.

Thanks to the OP for helping me get started in Guadalajara- this thread was a useful guide for me. Now I want to add my 2 cents to it.

[Kongzilla]

In zapopan there's a street called 20 de Noviembre, there's bars and restaurants on both sides, no cars allowed just walking and maybe small mopads, it's a nice set up that leads to a park and then the basilica of zapopan. I hit that place up everytime I go.
For me what worked the best, is just walking around el centro la cathedral, la rotonda its always packed! I like to hit on the store employees act like I'm buying something small like ice cream and chat them up, get their info and meet when they get out. It's always worked good for me. I open every attractive chick that gives me a flirty stare. I go there every year and never get tired of that city, there's so much shit to do.

[chochemonger1]

Kongzilla, in a typical week, how many new notches were you getting in zopapan?
I never found a place in Mexico, where I could average 2 or more new notches per week.

[Kongzilla]

Jalisco is a traditional catholic state, made up of small towns that are very family orientated. So when the young people graduate high school, they move to two major university cities Guadalajara and autlan/ el grullo.
So imagine all the girls raised in a conservative town now living on their own or with room mates! It turns into a fuckfest once they start partying it up! That's your target!
When I had no game and didn't know the dynamics of seduction I struggled bad. Now I work the numbers game sometimes I bang 0 a week but the next week 3-4. Unfortunately I've only had 1 ons there with a girl that worked for Volaris! They all took a couple mini dates. That's for new girls, over the last couple of years I've built a nice harem that I keep in touch with, some of them come and visit me here in tx

[fvitterbi]

Guys, this is all great information.

I finally made it to GDL, I didn't want to post this but I need your help.
I've been here 1 week now, I have an apt in Chapultepec on the strip. I’m dumbfounded. I’m doing something very wrong but not sure what it is. Pipelined w/ 50+ chicks online for some 3 mths prior to arriving. Super interested in me, multiple chats, whatsapp chats, Facebook, talking on the phone. Escalating the relation with almost all, probably spent some a few hours in total chatting whom I really liked.

Since I’ve arrived, I’ve had a 90% flake rate for the 1st date. This means I’ve spent weeks talking to them, they’re super excited, I get to Mexico, call them, set up the date, confirm, etc., then the date is cancelled 1 hr before w/ lame excuse or just no message back. Even worse, girls who were super interested before, fall of a cliff or stop messaging back even though they read your Whatsapp messages. I'm not talking about getting the bang, I'm talking about , after the date plan is made, the date never happens 90% of the time. This is with some 50 girls I've chatted with so it’s not a small sample size, I'd say 20 dates planned, 15+ cancelled on me, the other 30 have lost all interest now that i'm here. These are online chicks, Badoo, Cupids, etc. Same methods I’ve used in Colombia and in the Philippines with amazing success. They’re all on my Facebook, I have plenty of great pictures there. I speak fairly fluent Spanish.

I’d really like your help. Feel free to jump in, and don’t hold back if you want to criticize me, I’m obviously doing something wrong that I just can’t see and need to adjust my game somehow.

My initial suspicions for the issues are:
1)Location: I’m at Chapultepec and a lot of these chicks live in Zapopan or further, there aren’t many that actually live here. A bus can take an hour from Tlaquepaque to Chapultepec, Taxis are U.S. prices. In Colombia, against all advice, I often offered to pay for cabs if I could pay the driver directly, in smaller , poorer cities, result was that a lot of girls showed up on time and were more respectful. I usually wouldn't do this, trust me, I know the precedent it creates, but it might be a solution here.

2)Single Moms. A lot of these girls I’ve talked to are single moms, they don’t have the same freedom as they do in the Philippines, Its more like the U.S.A. Having a kid sort of ruined their life, they can’t date normally, go out at night, they don’t have any time, and for some reason it’s super tough to get a babysitter here.

3)Fantasy on online sites like Badoo. Seems like there are a ton of hot chicks on badoo who say they want to meet you and will chat and escalate but a number here doesn’t translate into an actual date like it does in Colombia or the Philippinnes. These chicks just chat and flirt, when you ask them their schedule or ask them out, there’s almost no effort or excitement on their part to actually see you. POF and the Cupids seem better but there aren’t many chicks on them in Guadalajara.

4)Skype/Videochat: I heard Skype works wonders here. I personally can’t stand video calls due to the time drain and trying to coordinate when they’re online. I’ve been using Facebook/Whatsapp with voice messages on both, it doesn’t seem to help.

5)Laziness/Strategy: it seems a lot of chicks just cancel cuz theyr’e lazy and don’t want to take the bus. Rather than running 1.5 hour coffee set dates like I did in Colombia, should I be running 3 to 4 hour 2-location/bounceback to apt-style dates like I did in Asia? This way I can excite them girl with the plan I have for them? I usually try that with girls for the night date 7pm+ but after 1 week I’ve now been flaked on , on the night date 5 times so I’m afraid to commit long hours to a girl on date 1.

6)In the moment/American culture: People here are busy, they’re studying or working, or have obligations. In the U.S. the best time to call a girl after online game was right after you got her #. You think it’s the same here? I pipelined for weeks/months, escalated the talks, girls got excited, figured that was a great thing to do, if you could do it. Literally no benefit so far, seems like they all want a fake boyfriend in the U.S. than a real one that’s here.

7)What I'm telling them: I’ve been telling girls I’m here for work and I’m living here and that I might be here for up to a year. Over and over people have told me the strategy for GDL girls is to let them know you might be here a long time, you have a good job, you’re a nice guy, open to a serious relationship. Now that I’m here, this seems might not be so smart, I think I might get the # as a nice guy, but suddenly I’m the one chasing, maybe they’ve got a serious boyfriend, they don’t want some guy who will be here for a year. Not sure.

It’s definitely not a lack of attraction. All these girls are on my facebook and have told me many great things about my looks and have been excited to meet me. It really came down to actually meeting me. And I also don’t think it’s anything stupid I’m doing. I haven’t been offensive in anyway, a douche, and I monitor everything on my Facebook. It’s not filled with girls posting comments or anything like that.

At times Guadalajara feels like Medellin or even Lima, there are hot chicks , they think you’re attractive, but they’re super conservative and you don’t have much added status as an American.

I know I will overcome this, Colombia was certainly not easy the first month or 2, neither was the Philippinnes to get the hotter girls. Over there it took hard work, I had to build closer connections, filter out younger girls and single moms, and get out of my comfort zone.

Thanks!

[chochemonger1]

(11-19-2014 02:35 AM)fvitterbi Wrote:  

Guys, this is all great information.

I finally made it to GDL, I didn't want to post this but I need your help.
I've been here 1 week now, I have an apt in Chapultepec on the strip. I’m dumbfounded. I’m doing something very wrong but not sure what it is. Pipelined w/ 50+ chicks online for some 3 mths prior to arriving. Super interested in me, multiple chats, whatsapp chats, Facebook, talking on the phone. Escalating the relation with almost all, probably spent some a few hours in total chatting whom I really liked.

Since I’ve arrived, I’ve had a 90% flake rate for the 1st date. This means I’ve spent weeks talking to them, they’re super excited, I get to Mexico, call them, set up the date, confirm, etc., then the date is cancelled 1 hr before w/ lame excuse or just no message back. Even worse, girls who were super interested before, fall of a cliff or stop messaging back even though they read your Whatsapp messages. I'm not talking about getting the bang, I'm talking about , after the date plan is made, the date never happens 90% of the time. This is with some 50 girls I've chatted with so it’s not a small sample size, I'd say 20 dates planned, 15+ cancelled on me, the other 30 have lost all interest now that i'm here. These are online chicks, Badoo, Cupids, etc. Same methods I’ve used in Colombia and in the Philippines with amazing success. They’re all on my Facebook, I have plenty of great pictures there. I speak fairly fluent Spanish.

I’d really like your help. Feel free to jump in, and don’t hold back if you want to criticize me, I’m obviously doing something wrong that I just can’t see and need to adjust my game somehow.

My initial suspicions for the issues are:
1)Location: I’m at Chapultepec and a lot of these chicks live in Zapopan or further, there aren’t many that actually live here. A bus can take an hour from Tlaquepaque to Chapultepec, Taxis are U.S. prices. In Colombia, against all advice, I often offered to pay for cabs if I could pay the driver directly, in smaller , poorer cities, result was that a lot of girls showed up on time and were more respectful. I usually wouldn't do this, trust me, I know the precedent it creates, but it might be a solution here.

2)Single Moms. A lot of these girls I’ve talked to are single moms, they don’t have the same freedom as they do in the Philippines, Its more like the U.S.A. Having a kid sort of ruined their life, they can’t date normally, go out at night, they don’t have any time, and for some reason it’s super tough to get a babysitter here.

3)Fantasy on online sites like Badoo. Seems like there are a ton of hot chicks on badoo who say they want to meet you and will chat and escalate but a number here doesn’t translate into an actual date like it does in Colombia or the Philippinnes. These chicks just chat and flirt, when you ask them their schedule or ask them out, there’s almost no effort or excitement on their part to actually see you. POF and the Cupids seem better but there aren’t many chicks on them in Guadalajara.

4)Skype/Videochat: I heard Skype works wonders here. I personally can’t stand video calls due to the time drain and trying to coordinate when they’re online. I’ve been using Facebook/Whatsapp with voice messages on both, it doesn’t seem to help.

5)Laziness/Strategy: it seems a lot of chicks just cancel cuz theyr’e lazy and don’t want to take the bus. Rather than running 1.5 hour coffee set dates like I did in Colombia, should I be running 3 to 4 hour 2-location/bounceback to apt-style dates like I did in Asia? This way I can excite them girl with the plan I have for them? I usually try that with girls for the night date 7pm+ but after 1 week I’ve now been flaked on , on the night date 5 times so I’m afraid to commit long hours to a girl on date 1.

6)In the moment/American culture: People here are busy, they’re studying or working, or have obligations. In the U.S. the best time to call a girl after online game was right after you got her #. You think it’s the same here? I pipelined for weeks/months, escalated the talks, girls got excited, figured that was a great thing to do, if you could do it. Literally no benefit so far, seems like they all want a fake boyfriend in the U.S. than a real one that’s here.

7)What I'm telling them: I’ve been telling girls I’m here for work and I’m living here and that I might be here for up to a year. Over and over people have told me the strategy for GDL girls is to let them know you might be here a long time, you have a good job, you’re a nice guy, open to a serious relationship. Now that I’m here, this seems might not be so smart, I think I might get the # as a nice guy, but suddenly I’m the one chasing, maybe they’ve got a serious boyfriend, they don’t want some guy who will be here for a year. Not sure.

It’s definitely not a lack of attraction. All these girls are on my facebook and have told me many great things about my looks and have been excited to meet me. It really came down to actually meeting me. And I also don’t think it’s anything stupid I’m doing. I haven’t been offensive in anyway, a douche, and I monitor everything on my Facebook. It’s not filled with girls posting comments or anything like that.

At times Guadalajara feels like Medellin or even Lima, there are hot chicks , they think you’re attractive, but they’re super conservative and you don’t have much added status as an American.

I know I will overcome this, Colombia was certainly not easy the first month or 2, neither was the Philippinnes to get the hotter girls. Over there it took hard work, I had to build closer connections, filter out younger girls and single moms, and get out of my comfort zone.

Thanks!

I will say this is typical Mexican girl behavior. The same happened to me, when I went to Monterrey, the first time. Most probably have a Mexican boyfriend or fuck buddy, and were glad to have a secret gringo boyfriend online. Then they chicken out, when you actually arrive. Mexican girls are good after you bang them, but before that, a Colombiana will do better for you.

[Freddy_1]

fvitterbi online game is Mexico is nowhere near as popular as in Colombia..i think the main reason for this is nightlife in Mexico and especially GDL is so much better than just about anywhere in Colombia..The nighlife is more westernized ( eg most bars and clubs are setup where its easy to approach and interact unlike the tables and chairs in Colombia) and you will always see groups of single girls out by themselves drinking who can easily be approached...in GDL there is a ladies night on just about every night of the week somewhere and its a lot of fun as girls are getting wasted!!....If i were you i would forget everything online..(except for tinder) and hit up the nightspots mentioned on this and other GDL threads.

[Mentavious]

Looks like we sorta ran into a similiar problem. I wish I wood of just pipelined a week out instead of weeks or a month more. I remember talking to two girls specifically that i met online, talked with, they eventually invited me out to a bar/club but because I was had not arrived/phone problems we didn't meet so I did not hear from them again. I had this one girl all about me who wanted me to come do her father's business opening one weekend. Unfortunately she got confused about the dates so I couldn't go. Next thing you know...silence and I had been talking to her for a month.

But anyways...just use Tinder as said above as online dating and you will be good now that you're in GDL.

If you're still there in February then I'll hit you up as I'll be making a return visit for some broad there

[kavakid]

Yeah I didn't think online game was that great in Mexico. Though I am sure it can work in some cities. You might just have to hit the bars and streets day and night. Downtown Guad is absolutely thick with women in the daytime.

I had the most luck in Guad hittin the little hipster bars and such at night, but daygame was doable also.

Guad did not seem like the easiest place to get some. But the quality is definitely good. I want to go back and live there for 6 months at some point. I am sure it will pay dividends.

[fvitterbi]

Guys,

thanks so much for the replies, I'll +1 you later today,
what i've gathered so far from the replies is:

1) Online is more for fun/diversion in GDL, it's not taken too seriously.
I need to diversify heavily with day game and night game, as well as social networking

2) In-the-moment Attraction and In-the-moment laziness is much more prevalent here than with other Latin cultures. When I get the #, use it ASAP. There is little added American status here. Numbers are easy, dates are not.

3) The whole Beta idea of being super loving, relationship-oriented and telling them that you'll be here a long time, has limits and I went too far. I've been telling girls i'm working here for the year and want a relationship. I made it a bit too easy. Conservative girls want flings too. I gave away the power and excitement.

So my remaining questions are the following:

1) What can I do to reduce flaking? Skype-videocam always a good one for those who have it. How about offering to pay for taxis? I did this in Colombia and literally had girls showing up every hour on the dot. It never reduced my power much. However I would have never done this in the Philippinnes, it would have set a horrible precedent for golddigging. Your thoughts in Guadalajara on paying for taxis or other ideas?

2) What are some interesting ideas on DHV'ing in a place like Guadalajara? This is a city where you see people driving around in BMW's quite often. Some of these girls have their own cars too. People are not poor, the Purchasing power is at about 50 to 60%, not 25% like Thailand/Phils . There's not much added American status. In Colombia one could DHV by checking-in on Facebook at expensive gyms, nightclubs. In Asia, it was simply posting job-related stuff, even small things like watching new movies. How about here in Guadalajara where all that isn't that hard to do for a middle class Mexican girl?

[coverdoc]

(11-20-2014 09:26 AM)fvitterbi Wrote:  

So my remaining questions are the following:

1) What can I do to reduce flaking? Skype-videocam always a good one for those who have it. How about offering to pay for taxis? I did this in Colombia and literally had girls showing up every hour on the dot. It never reduced my power much. However I would have never done this in the Philippinnes, it would have set a horrible precedent for golddigging. Your thoughts in Guadalajara on paying for taxis or other ideas?

2) What are some interesting ideas on DHV'ing in a place like Guadalajara? This is a city where you see people driving around in BMW's quite often. Some of these girls have their own cars too. People are not poor, the Purchasing power is at about 50 to 60%, not 25% like Thailand/Phils . There's not much added American status. In Colombia one could DHV by checking-in on Facebook at expensive gyms, nightclubs. In Asia, it was simply posting job-related stuff, even small things like watching new movies. How about here in Guadalajara where all that isn't that hard to do for a middle class Mexican girl?

Oh the flakes, the flakes the fu**ing flakes. Bro I know all too well the frustration you are feeling with the Mexican flakes/noshows. Once I even set up 4 dates, all at the same time at the same place fucking place. None showed up
Here are some tips I learned to decrease flake ratio/inc approaches
1. DO NOT and I repeat DO not online game anywhere in mexico over a week. I lost out on a lot of potentials doing this. It feels good at first to be talking to so many chicas via Skype, Facetime, Facebook etc. but trust me they will lost interest fast and go ghost. At most 7 days and that's pushing it.
2. Like stated above A LOT of these chicks have BFs or fuck buddies and just want the fantasy. Pick these boogers out quick by doing my favorite test. Hey I'm free tomorrow let's meet for blah blah blah(even though you are not in the city). Usually 90% of the bishes that were going to flake in the future, flake here.
3. Like stated above, in Mex online game should be a supplement to day/night game. It might feel weird approaching alone in another country but trust me the results are wayyyy better than online, especially being a foreigner. I found that when I went out with a group or even another local, the girls seemed A LOT more friendly and my game was even tighter because I was more comfortable being with someone from the area. Hit up CouchSurfing or some of your throw away girls on Tinder/POF and go out with them. A lot of the fuglies will just be happy to be seen with you and you can mack accordingly. Or another thing I do is just chat it up with some random dudes in the club/bar. They will notice the attention you get and just tell them you are going to talk to some girls, they happily come along and BANG instant local wingman!

I have paid for taxis like twice. Once was a chick I had met on tinder who sent me some nudes and we talked for a few days + she was coming over at night time so I paid like 60 pesos for cab. Other time was a bish who I met day gaming and she wanted to come over but didn't have enough for the taxi home so I gave her some pesos. Both times resulted in bang or blow job.
As far as GDL DHVing I didn't stay long enough but def had A LOT better time day/night gaming than online for sure.

[chochemonger1]

Status is the key word. That is why I don't understand why anyone would prefer Mexico, over Colombia... except for other things, besides banging hot young girls.
In Colombia it takes about a 2000 dollar a month budget, to show some status. With that you are gold. And the male competition in terms of money and alphaness is wanting, relative to Mexico.
In Mexico, I never really felt like I had any real status, vis a vis the women.
Things really are affected by being next to the US, especially in the major cities of Mexico.

[fvitterbi]

Guys,

Thanks so much for your help. Took all of your advice into account and got my first 2 bangs here One was a 1st date bang, a 7.5 on a strict scale , nearly 5’10” , very thin, short skirt/high heels/long legs with a glistening-bronzed skin tone. Could easily make a living as a model in L.A. The other was a 2nd date bang, a solid 7, light-skin/white, very thin, great butt/tight body, with natural D’s and natural girl-next-door beauty. Both were far more work than I expected but I’d have to say definitely up there with some of the hotter girls in Colombia. They are different here, call it skinny hot?, more of an L.A.-thin and natural in-shape body that you don’t find in Colombia. It’s almost as if they are L.A. girls that would be very tough to crack in L.A. but you can crack them here with the right amount of work. One thing though...def. not the best in bed...really no proactive effort on their part, almost a bit of a lack of sexuality that was a turn-off.

Day after was not so lucky, got flaked on by all 4 dates including 2 second dates. Then tried to do the social circle thing per your advice and got flaked on by a girl who proactively invited me to a party at 11:30pm by telling me she had to go to the doctor after confirming all day long. Also tried day and night gaming today. Have some observations and questions.

1)Red Flags: I need to filter out these flakes. What are some big red flags. One big one I’ve found is anyone related to the U.S./upper class girls : One of the 2nd date flakes had a car and basically scoffed that I invited her to a street festival , she wanted to go to a nice restaurant or movie. She sort of implied that she wouldn’t be going to my apartment. The party flake had a friend visiting her from the U.S. just a few days earlier. Another previous date refused to kiss me after touching me all evening, that girl now has a friend visiting her from the U.S. There seems to be a recurring red flag and that is that a small percentage of the population here expects to be wined/dined, is independent, has money or relations to the U.S. and, while they understand and accept your DHV better, their expectations seem to be way out of wack. This applies even if they have a small tangential relationship to the states. Would you consider this a legitimate red flag? What’s with all the people who suddenly have “friends” visiting them from the U.S.? I’ve heard this way too many times now. These are supposedly girls visiting them, how do these girls suddenly have friends from the states visiting them last minute? What are other “red flags” that would help me filter out prospects/flakes (besides single moms and girls who live far away)
Is age, for example, a red flag? (I remember in Colombia the magical DTF age was 20)

2)Day game/ night Game Approaches: I’ve done about 10 cold approaches so far in 1) Centro 2) a middle-class centro commercial (Gran Plaza) and 3) UDG- univ. of guad where I’m taking a class . I used a few different tactics, asking for directions/questions, some baiting, a comical indirect approach, and a friendly approach in the university setting. Most of these girls cut me off after maybe 30 seconds into the conversation and respectfully and nicely end the conversation, basically sort of running away as soon as they get the slightest hint that I’m interested in them. I haven't run into this in the U.S. much in my life and some of these girls gave me multiple IOI’s before we talked. I can’t tell if girls here are being super shy, aren’t interested, or what the deal is. Maybe I’m wrong but Im noticing a bit of a very shy, conservative, Philippines-esque, Catholic, plausible-deniability thing going on where a girl will only talk to you if she is alone and no one else is watching. Maybe I need to adapt my approach game here. What are some day or night game approaches that seem to work here in GDL? The centro commerciales seem to be stacked with hot girls but I don’t seem to be getting many IOI’s, probably less than in the states, and these girls don't seem to be open to conversations. Centro seemed to work the best, but really good looks seemed very sparse. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong place in Centro?

thanks again for everything.