Data Sheet: Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico!
12-03-2014, 03:53 PM
Thanks for all your help guys, I’ve +1’d anyone who helped
As an update, 3 weeks, 6 bangs so far, Your advice was spot on. I was able to lower the flake rate significantly on new prospects by only working 1 to 3 days out. Still having a ton of trouble though... this is tough to say the least, I'd say tougher than the U.S. at times.
Now that I’ve been able to get the date numbers up, I’m facing a different issue, serious game-playing and attitude change:
Out of my dates, I had 5 first dates with girls of 6 to 7 hotness with a solid connection, girls cracking up, proactively touching me, asking me questions. But the interest fell off a cliff afterwards. Messaged them on whatsapp 24 to 48 hrs after the date, they’re very excited to hear from me, but when I wanted to make a 2nd date plan, they blew me off saying they’re busy or they’ll let me know. Tried the normal rebukes, sometimes they felt the loss and set up a date, but then cancelled. I got a bit frustrated and called 2 girls out on it. They said something like “well I want a guy who will conquer me” or “what are you looking for exactly” and alluded to the fact that we’re just friends like “amigos”. When I clarified that I don’t need or want friends, the conversation became combatative and I’d have to pull a power move basically saying maybe we’re looking for different things. Then the girl would call my bluff and it was done. In most cases the girl then messaged me again a few days later but it was a huge waste of time, they're only messaging me to test me. As soon as I gave them the slightest power, letting them know that I was also into them, their interest fell off a cliff. This has happened on post-bang situations too. If I became too responsive to a girl after a bang, they just began to ignore my messages.
Speaking with some of the gamers here, I was told the main reason is that I didn’t get the make-out kiss on the 1st date. So..-> Last 3 dates where i had strong chemistry, pushed for the kiss, got the cheek, repeatedly. Gave them the standard line: Want to spend my time with someone I like, don’t have much time, from a liberal culture, won’t call them again if they don’t like me. We can be “amigos” in facebook. They called my bluff. Went from a fun , high chemistry date to nothing within minutes.
Sometimes it happens with the kiss too: E.G. Pipelined a girl for 1 week, 1st date, got her back to my place, started fooling around, but she stopped me at 2nd base, tried all the techniques, didn't work, she told me the 2nd date I’d get everything. Next day she texted me saying she “loved me” and plenty more… I played it a bit cooler but still responded, By day 3 she was ignoring my messages. Now she’s apparently busy for the whole month of December with work.
At this point I’m a bit dumbfounded as to how to play these chicks, it just seems way way harder than American girls.
I’m open to your suggestions but here are my initial ideas as to why this isn’t working:
1)Seems to be more L.A. than Mexico here. Confident beta saying you’re open to serious things seems to hand over too much power. Even mentioning the word “novia” seems to give a lot of power. Seems like Alpha might work far better. Seems like being a jerk without a lot of negging might work. These girls treat you bad b/c they’re accustomed to being treated bad from guys here. Maybe immediately throw them in the friend zone, calling them “amiga” before they do, tease a lot, have them win you over?
2)This may sound like high school but there doesn’t seem to be natural Segway to the kiss on the 1st date. I’m generally going for the kiss at the end of the date… Should I go in for it earlier? … Sometimes I bring the girl to my place and try kissing her on the couch.. could this be the issue that puts her guard up? My apt is in the middle of the bar area so it's great logistics, girls have no prob. coming upstairs. If I do want to go in for the kiss earlier, there seems to be a plausible deniability thing going on, if we’re in a café they don’t want to be seen kissing. I’ve read that girls are ok with kissing in public, I just haven’t seen that so far.
3)Conversation-wise, there’s not much give and take. In Colombia these girls seemed to talk a lot more about their interests and dreams. If they didn’t have many then they were more excited to hear about you. Here, most of these girls are studying or working a ton, with really no end, they’re just not as happy, nor are they very talkative. There’s no Segway to a natural connection at times. I can make them laugh a ton but it’s not building attraction. In other countries telling jokes builds attraction, in both Colombia and the Philippines I often got that “I want to bang you” stare after I made them laugh really hard. Here, I just haven’t seen that stare once. I do make semi-sexual jokes, nothing horrible, and the girls do laugh a lot. Could this be one thing?
4)Kino/Anything sexual: I’ve been told I should kino a lot. With almost every girl so far, If I try to hold her hand or do anything very affectionate during the date, they pull away or their guard goes way up. To even get a girl to sit close to me is like pulling teeth here, if you do get it, they then back away after a few minutes, and you can’t get them to be compliant. They’re very combatitive and stubborn sometimes. If I say , sit closer, they’ll say they’re fine where they are, and they’ll even move away during the conversation. Am I running into the wrong girls? Or is there some kino tactic I’m not aware of? So far this has been more like the Philippines where Kino scares the girls away.
5)I’m not messaging the girl the next day like I would in the U.S., I’m waiting about 36 hours like I would in Colombia to build the attraction. In the U.S. with the higher-class girls, if you don’t contact them within 24 hours, a lot will write you off. Could this be a big issue?
Open to your thoughts and ideas, I really want to conquer this!
Once I do so , I'm going to post a bad-ass analytical data sheet for everyone.