[ManAbout]

(05-30-2012 08:37 AM)Gixxermuscle Wrote:  

TL;DR Get as muscular as you can naturally while lean as fuk. Leaness rules the roost.

This is what it's all about. All of you can argue till you are blue in the face. But, at the end of the day, the 160 pound guy with the visible abs, is getting a lot more attention on the beach than the 220 lb gorilla.

[velkrum]

but what if the 160lb guy and 220lb gorilla BOTH have visible abs at 10% BF ?

[_DC_]

(05-30-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

but what if the 160lb guy and 220lb gorilla BOTH have visible abs at 10% BF ?

Personal preference at that point probably. Most girls probably like something in the middle.

There is a reason I'm working on hitting sub 10% first, and THEN packing on pounds. Might as well get lean first, it certainly takes less time then getting strong as an ox. This plan of attack would probably work best for most guys, particularly newbies. Its the fastest solution to getting away from the dreaded skinny fat.

[OGNorCal707]

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

[ManAbout]

(05-30-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

but what if the 160lb guy and 220lb gorilla BOTH have visible abs at 10% BF ?

I think the 160 lb guy will still do better overall to be honest. The 220 lb guy will have girls over him, these are they types of girls who seriously go for big, muscle dudes. He won't be hurting, that's for sure. But, the 160 lb guy has more mass appeal, no pun intended. A lot of younger girls, and petite girls seem to be intimidated by really big guys. At least this is what I have seen.

[Chad Daring]

(05-30-2012 03:03 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

but what if the 160lb guy and 220lb gorilla BOTH have visible abs at 10% BF ?

I think the 160 lb guy will still do better overall to be honest. The 220 lb guy will have girls over him, these are they types of girls who seriously go for big, muscle dudes. He won't be hurting, that's for sure. But, the 160 lb guy has more mass appeal, no pun intended. A lot of younger girls, and petite girls seem to be intimidated by really big guys. At least this is what I have seen.

Read the highlighted backwards.

This is what erks me. Why debate. Why state one is better than the other immediately after stating that both will do well in the marketplace. Its a contradiction.

All this splitting of hairs over trivial shit. The bottom line should be go to the gym. Stop worrying about what "body type" gets you the most ass.

Being in shape gets you ass, body type be damned.

[velkrum]

@ Chad, Dood, every post you've made in this thread has been BRILLIANT.

its pretty obvious this has become a LAZY (disrespectful) guy vs. MOTIVATED (respectful) guy thread.

Betas vs. Alphas, if you will.

[mikeymike]

(05-30-2012 02:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

[Chad Daring]

(05-30-2012 05:13 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

@ Chad, Dood, every post you've made in this thread has been BRILLIANT.

its pretty obvious this has become a LAZY (disrespectful) guy vs. MOTIVATED (respectful) guy thread.

Betas vs. Alphas, if you will.

I just dont get this idea that there's this perfect body type.

I'm built like a russian bear wrestler. Im tall, hairy, brawny and not cut up at all. The girl im seeing now LOVES it. Other girls love it. On the flip side, my boy B is my polar opposite. He's maybe 180 at 8% BF, shredded to death, not a patch of chest hair on him and some girls lose their shit over that. We walk into a spot and both home in the girls who are digging the each of us and do some work.

Different strokes for different folks. Thank god we aren't all built the same cause shit would get real boring real fast.

B and I have it all worked out too. When the zombies come he's gonna be the fleet footed scout who runs up front to see whats going on, then Im gonna come in behind him with a Loiusville slugger and wreckshop shit. We all win

[Donald Duck]

(05-30-2012 05:24 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 02:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

[mikeymike]

(05-30-2012 05:47 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:24 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 02:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

LMAO, you cannot be serious. I can fly, you wanna believe that cause I said it too? what do you think they're gonna say, I can half ass it cause the gear allows me too? or I'm such a genetic freak lucky me, but stick to my plan and buy our shit and you can be like us too naturally.

[kosko]

^ What are they selling though. Its not hard to look like that if your dedicated and smart with it. I looked like a mini-version of that at my physical peak in HS. Genes plays a big role in it which is something they play down. But they got the best of both worlds since their white side gave them tall and big frames to stack muscle onto, while their jungle side lets them stack on muscle a lot quicker then most folks. They got thick ass necks, forearms, and shoulders that's why they look like aliens in that video.


They did hit the juice tho right after HS for a but then stopped since one of em said they couldn't get hard no more lol. but these guys are like 40 so that was 20 years ago.

But hey I guess evrey mixed brother is on the juice then. Sorry Blake.

[alecks]

(05-30-2012 06:04 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:47 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:24 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 02:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

LMAO, you cannot be serious. I can fly, you wanna believe that cause I said it too? what do you think they're gonna say, I can half ass it cause the gear allows me too? or I'm such a genetic freak lucky me, but stick to my plan and buy our shit and you can be like us too naturally.

they are natural.what kosko said is true, they have about 15 years ago taken prohormones (very mild light steroids) but stopped mid cycle.and for the record,if you take any ph or steroid the gains dont stay with you for life.a body similar to the hodgetwins is 100% attainable naturally.i have a similar build.usually if the person is on gear their skin texture is changed,its more oily and grainy,they are more vascular and usually their traps and delts are bigger than everything else due to the receptor sites

[mikeymike]

(05-30-2012 06:14 PM)alecks Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:04 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:47 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:24 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 02:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

LMAO, you cannot be serious. I can fly, you wanna believe that cause I said it too? what do you think they're gonna say, I can half ass it cause the gear allows me too? or I'm such a genetic freak lucky me, but stick to my plan and buy our shit and you can be like us too naturally.

they are natural.what kosko said is true, they have about 15 years ago taken prohormones (very mild light steroids) but stopped mid cycle.and for the record,if you take any ph or steroid the gains dont stay with you for life.a body similar to the hodgetwins is 100% attainable naturally.i have a similar build.usually if the person is on gear their skin texture is changed,its more oily and grainy,they are more vascular and usually their traps and delts are bigger than everything else due to the receptor sites

believe what ya wish...these guys make a living off their body and you want to believe every word coming out of their mouth, it hurts their pocket book to be truthful...steroids come in various forms, some will make you vascular, some will make you puffy, some will make you fill out, some will lean you out without being vascular, you can't look at skin texture and assume somebody is clean because of it, you can go by bodyshape and detail...

that level of pec development with seperation, and definition in the delts, nattys don't develop that level of sophistication in their muscle, just doesn't happen.



really? that happened with some creatine and jacked, okie dokie.

[MikeCF]

Most guys who look like they are on AAS, are.

Most adult males over 35 with a ripped, muscular body are not totally natural. They are running something light. Maybe just a little test or gh. But they are running something.

A lot of guys just run "replacement" does of test and gh. It's not even what I consider juicing. It just gives a 35+ year old man the same test and gh levels he had at 25.

It's no big deal.

If you were on steroids (breaking the law), would you announce it on your YouTube?

Seriously...How old are you guys?

[MikeCF]

A general guideline: You can get ripped naturally (Floyd Maywather), and you can get big (think "bear mode") naturally. You cannot naturally get big and ripped naturally.

There are some 1-in-10,000 mutants who can be big and ripped.

But it's far more likely that a guy who looks like he is on, is actually on.

Again, though, I'm an adult. I realize that people use all sorts of drugs. And they even have the nerve to lie about it!

[kosko]

(05-30-2012 06:27 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:14 PM)alecks Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:04 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:47 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:24 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

LMAO, you cannot be serious. I can fly, you wanna believe that cause I said it too? what do you think they're gonna say, I can half ass it cause the gear allows me too? or I'm such a genetic freak lucky me, but stick to my plan and buy our shit and you can be like us too naturally.

they are natural.what kosko said is true, they have about 15 years ago taken prohormones (very mild light steroids) but stopped mid cycle.and for the record,if you take any ph or steroid the gains dont stay with you for life.a body similar to the hodgetwins is 100% attainable naturally.i have a similar build.usually if the person is on gear their skin texture is changed,its more oily and grainy,they are more vascular and usually their traps and delts are bigger than everything else due to the receptor sites

believe what ya wish...these guys make a living off their body and you want to believe every word coming out of their mouth, it hurts their pocket book to be truthful...steroids come in various forms, some will make you vascular, some will make you puffy, some will make you fill out, some will lean you out without being vascular, you can't look at skin texture and assume somebody is clean because of it, you can go by bodyshape and detail...

that level of pec development with seperation, and definition in the delts, nattys don't develop that level of sophistication in their muscle, just doesn't happen.



really? that happened with some creatine and jacked, okie dokie.

You mad?

All my mixed homies swell up like the Hodge Twins. They literally get the best genetic traits for body building they can grow like freaks quickly and get the mass too. Its just god at work, I have to many homies I grew up whom are mixed, played sports with them and lift, these dudes we're all massive as hell.

Tell Kellen Winslow Jr he's on the juice:



Brothers can't brow that thick. My White bredren can get that mass but they loose the agility and quickness (aside from genetic freaks on all sides). There aren't that many Black tight ends, we just cant get that mass and thickness up like our latin and white brethren in the league. Kellen is a freak to but this is common of what I see with mixed dudes they got it good for muscle plain and simple.

Yo. Even Drake know whats up. I've talked to this dudes old trainer in TO dude got crazy genes and works his ass off.



I am just defending these guys. They get a lot of flack. Some of my best homies are mixed and I know the type of nonsense they had/have to put up with.

"Oh you only good at shit cause you got black in you... blahh ..blahh"

OR

"How you get so swole.. you gotta be on juice man.. blahh blaah"

They work just as hard and get rewarded for it immensely - their bodies arn't normal.

[ManAbout]

(05-30-2012 04:50 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

This is what erks me. Why debate. Why state one is better than the other immediately after stating that both will do well in the marketplace. Its a contradiction.

It's not a contradiction at all. First off, 220 lb dudes with ripped abs are rare. The majority of dudes that size are just big. Second, the premise that you need to be 200+ lbs to have a physique that has power over women is just not true. While, some women, even a lot of women might like guys with that look, a 160 lbs guy with sub 10% bf could do just as well, if not better than the big guy. Where's the contradiction in that?

[ManAbout]

(05-30-2012 05:13 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

its pretty obvious this has become a LAZY (disrespectful) guy vs. MOTIVATED (respectful) guy thread.

Betas vs. Alphas, if you will.

So, if a guy has other priorities in life than being 220 lbs and 6% bf, then he is a lazy beta? Time is finite, I have absolutely no need to look like a gorilla. Just because I don't spend 3 hours in the gym every day and don't base my life around my %bf doesn't mean I am lazy. It doesn't mean I want to be a fat fuck either. It just means that I have more important things in life to worry about. And if you want to talk about being healthy, I don't think the bodybuilder lifestyle is a particularly healthy one.

[Moma]

(05-30-2012 03:03 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

but what if the 160lb guy and 220lb gorilla BOTH have visible abs at 10% BF ?

I think the 160 lb guy will still do better overall to be honest. The 220 lb guy will have girls over him, these are they types of girls who seriously go for big, muscle dudes. He won't be hurting, that's for sure. But, the 160 lb guy has more mass appeal, no pun intended. A lot of younger girls, and petite girls seem to be intimidated by really big guys. At least this is what I have seen.

Fcuk em, then.

[Moma]

(05-30-2012 07:13 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

It's not a contradiction at all. First off, 220 lb dudes with ripped abs are rare. The majority of dudes that size are just big. Second, the premise that you need to be 200+ lbs to have a physique that has power over women is just not true. While, some women, even a lot of women might like guys with that look, a 160 lbs guy with sub 10% bf could do just as well, if not better than the big guy. Where's the contradiction in that?

bollocks. Come and play basketball and you will see 220lb guys ripped all over the place. It's nothing to me. Back in the UK, one of my boys was 220lbs around 17 and ripped up.

You guys must not roll with athletes (or wannabe athletes).

[Moma]

(05-30-2012 07:24 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:13 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

its pretty obvious this has become a LAZY (disrespectful) guy vs. MOTIVATED (respectful) guy thread.

Betas vs. Alphas, if you will.

So, if a guy has other priorities in life than being 220 lbs and 6% bf, then he is a lazy beta? Time is finite, I have absolutely no need to look like a gorilla. Just because I don't spend 3 hours in the gym every day and don't base my life around my %bf doesn't mean I am lazy. It doesn't mean I want to be a fat fuck either. It just means that I have more important things in life to worry about. And if you want to talk about being healthy, I don't think the bodybuilder lifestyle is a particularly healthy one.

Bottom line is, the better your body, the easier it is to close lizards. It's a hard rule, tried, tested and proven. If all things fair and a woman wants to sleep with a man, will she choose pot belly weakling with twigs over raging muscular man?

When you see the women oohing and ahhing about celebrity figures, do they go apeshyt over Ron Jeremey or Paul Walker? And why?

[ManAbout]

(05-30-2012 07:35 PM)Moma Wrote:  

When you see the women oohing and ahhing about celebrity figures, do they go apeshyt over Ron Jeremey or Paul Walker? And why?

I am not disputing the appeal of a Paul Walker like physique at all. In fact, a guy with his body would do much better with women than those ugly gorillas posted as examples of "amazing physiques" in the first two videos on this thread. He probably weighs round 185 to 190 lbs. Nowhere near the size of the average bodybuilder.

[rhodey]

(05-30-2012 06:14 PM)alecks Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:04 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:47 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:24 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 02:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think the Hodge Twins have an ideal physique, not too bulky, you can see they have size, but definition as well. This is what I considered ripped, size with cuts.

They claim to be natural (no steroids), but they have said they've used Jacked 3D and creatine, so not 100% natural in my book. I'd also bet they have way above average genetics, I don't think I'll ever have a six pack, at least without sacrificing muscle every where else.

nowhere near natural, that level of thickness, separation, detail...no way in hell they're natural. This is what I was trying to say earlier, people are willing to believe so and so isn't on gear if they're not a mass monster but there are loads of body types on aas, each ones have different goals. To get to the level these guys have gotten requires help. They use just enough that they convince the masses that they're clean but if you've been around gear the tell tails are there. It's like guys who want to believe that scooby guy is natural.

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

LMAO, you cannot be serious. I can fly, you wanna believe that cause I said it too? what do you think they're gonna say, I can half ass it cause the gear allows me too? or I'm such a genetic freak lucky me, but stick to my plan and buy our shit and you can be like us too naturally.

they are natural.what kosko said is true, they have about 15 years ago taken prohormones (very mild light steroids) but stopped mid cycle.and for the record,if you take any ph or steroid the gains dont stay with you for life.a body similar to the hodgetwins is 100% attainable naturally.i have a similar build.usually if the person is on gear their skin texture is changed,its more oily and grainy,they are more vascular and usually their traps and delts are bigger than everything else due to the receptor sites

[rhodey]

(05-30-2012 06:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:27 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:14 PM)alecks Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:04 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 05:47 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

These guys are completely natural. They have been making videos for years and have been making steady gains by the year. You can follow their progress at their twinmuscleworkout channel. Also jack3d and creatine arent comparable to steroids and can be considered natural as creatine is already in meat and jacked is just stimulants like caffeine and such to pump you up for the gym. They said it themselves that they are gifted genetically so I think that's what's the case here. They also don't train as intense and finish their workouts in 40 minutes and 12 sets!

LMAO, you cannot be serious. I can fly, you wanna believe that cause I said it too? what do you think they're gonna say, I can half ass it cause the gear allows me too? or I'm such a genetic freak lucky me, but stick to my plan and buy our shit and you can be like us too naturally.

they are natural.what kosko said is true, they have about 15 years ago taken prohormones (very mild light steroids) but stopped mid cycle.and for the record,if you take any ph or steroid the gains dont stay with you for life.a body similar to the hodgetwins is 100% attainable naturally.i have a similar build.usually if the person is on gear their skin texture is changed,its more oily and grainy,they are more vascular and usually their traps and delts are bigger than everything else due to the receptor sites

believe what ya wish...these guys make a living off their body and you want to believe every word coming out of their mouth, it hurts their pocket book to be truthful...steroids come in various forms, some will make you vascular, some will make you puffy, some will make you fill out, some will lean you out without being vascular, you can't look at skin texture and assume somebody is clean because of it, you can go by bodyshape and detail...

that level of pec development with seperation, and definition in the delts, nattys don't develop that level of sophistication in their muscle, just doesn't happen.



really? that happened with some creatine and jacked, okie dokie.

You mad?

All my mixed homies swell up like the Hodge Twins. They literally get the best genetic traits for body building they can grow like freaks quickly and get the mass too. Its just god at work, I have to many homies I grew up whom are mixed, played sports with them and lift, these dudes we're all massive as hell.

Tell Kellen Winslow Jr he's on the juice:



Brothers can't brow that thick. My White bredren can get that mass but they loose the agility and quickness (aside from genetic freaks on all sides). There aren't that many Black tight ends, we just cant get that mass and thickness up like our latin and white brethren in the league. Kellen is a freak to but this is common of what I see with mixed dudes they got it good for muscle plain and simple.

Yo. Even Drake know whats up. I've talked to this dudes old trainer in TO dude got crazy genes and works his ass off.



I am just defending these guys. They get a lot of flack. Some of my best homies are mixed and I know the type of nonsense they had/have to put up with.

"Oh you only good at shit cause you got black in you... blahh ..blahh"

OR

"How you get so swole.. you gotta be on juice man.. blahh blaah"

They work just as hard and get rewarded for it immensely - their bodies arn't normal.

On average brothas carry more mouscle mass than whites. Go to any gym, and the most muscular dudes with size are usually brothas.