[ElJefe]

(05-22-2012 06:31 AM)NeVerGymLess Wrote:  

^^^ I just picked up a hot yoga teacher at a nude beach on the weekend. Went out with her at night and every time she introduced me to her friends she would be like , OMG , you should see his abs . " At the moment , I'm 6 '2 195 pounds , below 10 % BF . Also on the lean-gain diet.

Damn! Pics!

[Perseus]

(05-22-2012 09:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Bro I know a few. One dude whom isn't a friend of mine but somebody I grew up with competes and can't no ass. His ex would come to me for D always complaining that she was dating a robot. This man could of split me in half, but you know what? When he did find out she cheated he broke down crying like a bitch.

The lifestyle thing is big tho. You yourself even go after it. You have made threads about fit women. It's not even a bad thing but take my posts on this issue with a grain of salt. I still feel muscles help overall to improve attraction but it's not magnet that many in this thread are alluding to. Game still is needed.

I agree, muscles are not everything, you need GAME and in Toronto you need a tight-top-notch-roosh/roissy combination kind of game, like if Roosh and Roissy were to breed, and pass on their "game" genes (assuming game is genetic and roosh and roissy can breed haha), then that offspring child when he grows up will be the ultimate player, and THAT'S what you need in Toronto. Muscles are just ornamentation for the vessel that contains those Roosh/Roissy game genes

[mikeymike]

The funny thing is a lot of you are talking about being all steroided out and not liking that look, these skinny ripped dudes you guys love for being natural are about as natural most porn stars tits...very few people on the planet are getting to 6% with any sort of muscle without some extra help...just cause they're not 300 pounds doesn't mean they're not getting extra help. So quick to jump all over guys who want size but too stupid to know that the guys they're admiring are as dirty as the guys they're trying to tear down. Brad Pitt fight club....all natural omg

[Pilgrim37]

Of course hot chicks love Big guys..ask Harvey!

He spends nearly all his time in the gym I'm told.

   

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(05-22-2012 10:59 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

different women prefer different things on men just like different guys prefer different things on women.

Wrong. I prefer different things in women on different days/weeks. I prefer bigger tits and asses and an hourglass shape regardless.

[DLuzhin]

It takes 8+ years of consistent effort to get huge. The guys you are talking about married young before the yields came in.

If they were single they'd be pulling.

(05-22-2012 01:39 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 04:40 PM)kosko Wrote:  

In Toronto most meatheads are pulling low quality tail for how much work they put in.

This is exactly what I see in Toronto as well. I've noticed it enough times to conclude that there is in fact some truth to it. The biggest guys tend to have very average women. This is specially true of muscle dudes in their 30s and 40s. Often I see a big massive guy in his 30s and think, damn this guy must be pulling some serious 20 year old tail. But, nope, he is with the same average 30 year old chick as the fat accountant fellow. At the most, I see them with overly muscly unattractive body builder type girls.

[DLuzhin]

It takes 8+ years of consistent effort to get huge. The guys you are talking about married young before the yields came in.

If they were single they'd be pulling.

(05-22-2012 01:39 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 04:40 PM)kosko Wrote:  

In Toronto most meatheads are pulling low quality tail for how much work they put in.

This is exactly what I see in Toronto as well. I've noticed it enough times to conclude that there is in fact some truth to it. The biggest guys tend to have very average women. This is specially true of muscle dudes in their 30s and 40s. Often I see a big massive guy in his 30s and think, damn this guy must be pulling some serious 20 year old tail. But, nope, he is with the same average 30 year old chick as the fat accountant fellow. At the most, I see them with overly muscly unattractive body builder type girls.

[sheesh]

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

[velkrum]

sheesh Wrote:

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

I think the question is, WHO.

Who is judging the quality of the women.

The guy who is genuinely attracted to the girls he is pulling, or, the outsiders that are criticizing his personal choice.

• At the end of the day a man should strive for more than a muscular physique to attract women, but that is NOT what this thread is about. That is another topic for another thread.
• I think we can all agree that guys who don't get laid because of their muscles are in the minority NOT the majority. Most likely it is due to a lack of social skills and/or lack of adequate finances.
• ...finally. Respect another guys taste in women. Not all guys are attracted to the same type of girls.

[DLuzhin]

(05-28-2012 04:20 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

Quality depends on game. Many of the guys with the best builds are psychological runts--check out the bodybuilding.com forums if you don't believe me. Game is their sticking point.

There isn't a girl alive that doesn't like biceps, or wishes that her man had smaller arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdIAa6gnaco

[Moma]

(05-28-2012 04:20 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

In what parts of the world is being buff a disadvantage for getting lizards? What part of the world does a lizard break out into sweats over the thoughts of running her soft hands over some firm hard male muscle? In what parts of the world does a reptile shiver in disgust at facing a fully developed chest, swollen arms and washboard abs? What part of the world is this?

[Moma]

(05-28-2012 04:53 PM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 04:20 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

Quality depends on game. Many of the guys with the best builds are psychological runts--check out the bodybuilding.com forums if you don't believe me. Game is their sticking point.

There isn't a girl alive that doesn't like biceps, or wishes that her man had smaller arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdIAa6gnaco

Having a good body helps with closing. It goes for both sexes. You ever heard a pretty lizard complain that she cannot find a man? Even you lot say that you don't tolerate bad behaviour from 4's and 5's but you take more BS from 7's, 8's and 9's.

[sheesh]

(05-28-2012 04:53 PM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 04:20 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

Quality depends on game. Many of the guys with the best builds are psychological runts--check out the bodybuilding.com forums if you don't believe me. Game is their sticking point.

There isn't a girl alive that doesn't like biceps, or wishes that her man had smaller arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdIAa6gnaco

Oh man...I am talking about "big" guys. I'm not saying that women do not like muscles. They do.

That guy in the last video btw. that's the physique that goes over well in Europe, he might as well be more muscular.

That's completely different from the guys in the first video, though. But it is a matter of where you are and which women you want to attract, obviously.

American culture is much more "in your face", people are loud, brag much more, understatement is clearly not rewarded. I also feel that intellectual guys have it harder in the US than in other parts of the world.

[kosko]

(05-28-2012 04:53 PM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 04:20 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

Quality depends on game. Many of the guys with the best builds are psychological runts--check out the bodybuilding.com forums if you don't believe me. Game is their sticking point.

There isn't a girl alive that doesn't like biceps, or wishes that her man had smaller arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdIAa6gnaco

I get what this guy is trying to do but the video is silly. His biceps we're the most exposed so they will be default get the most looks. Yet he only counts half of almost all the women who give him clear locked eye contact lol.

If he would of had his shirt open the same ratio would of been giving to his abs. Women like all that shit no doubt but his test was mis-leading, it would of worked better if we was wearing a tight sweater so women could still see he was buff but still have some mystery to it.

You see even that they were covered women still scanned the crotch and ass.

The crotch and ass is what women scan if they can (look how perverted the females looked scanning it lol). They are dirty and smug just like men.

I can't explain how many times when I wear my swim shorts which are generally a bit more shorter cut (I ain't that tall) and tight (American Apparel) in every instance if I am wearing them at a party and girls are drunk I will always get my ass smacked, grabbed, and lauded over. I never knew females were big on butts, but they are just as much as men are. If I wear a dress shirt tucked in with some nice pants to the bar, same shit. I need to be a baseball player for Halloween or some shit and use it to my advantage. But in the end giving the chance and no shaming females will smack and grab a butt just like a man would to a lizard.

[Perseus]

(05-28-2012 04:53 PM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 04:20 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Pulling what kind of quality, that is the question....

In the US being big seems to go over well, in many parts of the world it's a disadvantage.

Quality depends on game. Many of the guys with the best builds are psychological runts--check out the bodybuilding.com forums if you don't believe me. Game is their sticking point.

There isn't a girl alive that doesn't like biceps, or wishes that her man had smaller arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdIAa6gnaco

Sick video man! Although filled with inaccuracies and assumptions.

[Roark]

(05-28-2012 04:55 PM)Moma Wrote:  

In what parts of the world is being buff a disadvantage for getting lizards? What part of the world does a lizard break out into sweats over the thoughts of running her soft hands over some firm hard male muscle? In what parts of the world does a reptile shiver in disgust at facing a fully developed chest, swollen arms and washboard abs? What part of the world is this?

A lot of the women in Korea. They like abs though. The ideal man here is tall, white faced with perfect hair and a good dresser. Slim with broad shoulders (bone structure) and a thin facial bone structure. Most girls hate the trapezius muscles, and if they see a guy who is muscular they will say he looks like barbecued chicken or like he's going to explode.

Many girls said Rain got too big (although many liked him) and I doubt he was over a buck fifty. Google G-dragon or T.O.P. for what Korean girls think is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdPnMoxKOWY

[velkrum]

Roark Wrote:

if they see a guy who is muscular they will say he looks like barbecued chicken

LoL !!

[Vicious]

I don't get this discussion. To get the kind of physique flaunted in this thread you need years of dedicated training. The same time you could pour into learning game.

[Chad Daring]

(05-29-2012 03:47 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I don't get this discussion. To get the kind of physique flaunted in this thread you need years of dedicated training. The same time you could pour into learning game.

I dont get why guys seem to think its one or the other.

Hit the gym THEN hit the bar.

Hitting the weights was a CRUCIAL part of me going from a chubby beta captain save-a-ho to the man I am now. Realizing I could change my stars (to quote A Knights Tale lol) physically made me realize I could do it mentally.

You are only ever who you choose to be.

[Vicious]

(05-29-2012 04:23 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:47 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I don't get this discussion. To get the kind of physique flaunted in this thread you need years of dedicated training. The same time you could pour into learning game.

I dont get why guys seem to think its one or the other.

Hit the gym THEN hit the bar.

Hitting the weights was a CRUCIAL part of me going from a chubby beta captain save-a-ho to the man I am now. Realizing I could change my stars (to quote A Knights Tale lol) physically made me realize I could do it mentally.

Read again. We are not talking about being merely in good shape, anyone can do that.

[Chad Daring]

(05-29-2012 04:28 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 04:23 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:47 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I don't get this discussion. To get the kind of physique flaunted in this thread you need years of dedicated training. The same time you could pour into learning game.

I dont get why guys seem to think its one or the other.

Hit the gym THEN hit the bar.

Hitting the weights was a CRUCIAL part of me going from a chubby beta captain save-a-ho to the man I am now. Realizing I could change my stars (to quote A Knights Tale lol) physically made me realize I could do it mentally.

Read again. We are not talking about being merely in good shape, anyone can do that.

Well no, we are. The thread is about having "an amazing physique" the guys in the videos just happen to be the most amazing of the amazing. Being in damn good shape doesnt mean you have to have a competition quality body.

Nobody is saying dump all your freetime into the gym and eat nothing but chicken breasts and broccoli. The idea is to go to the next level and realize a good physique goes beyond not eating pizza and working out thirty minutes a day.

Acting like its to much to attain, and therefore useless, is a defense mechanism. Almost none of us will be those guys but..

[velkrum]

[rudebwoy]

Please define BIG? Exactly what maybe big for you may not be big for the next person, to me being BIG is to be above Joe Average.

Another thing, guys are here talking about what look will not go over in Europe. How the hell do you know what will look will work or not, just because you don't see alot of "jacked" dudes in certain parts of Europe does not mean anything. A 270llbs juice head friend of mine was in Europe (I don't want too disclose the country) last year and girls were grabbing him like he was fresh bread and buying him drinks.
Personally, I don't want to look like this dude b/c it is obvious he juices hard.

Having a good "built" body is a bonus anywhere in the world you go, having a douche bag attitude is a big minus anywhere you except maybe some parts of the USA. I have yet to see a girl say I like that skinny guys build over there!!

[sheesh]

(05-30-2012 12:11 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Please define BIG? Exactly what maybe big for you may not be big for the next person, to me being BIG is to be above Joe Average.

By big I mean the guys in the first video with the supposedly amazing physique. Not sure if that's what is generally understood by the term.

So, the distinction is between big vs. trained.

(05-30-2012 12:11 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Another thing, guys are here talking about what look will not go over in Europe. How the hell do you know what will look will work or not, just because you don't see alot of "jacked" dudes in certain parts of Europe does not mean anything. A 270llbs juice head friend of mine was in Europe (I don't want too disclose the country) last year and girls were grabbing him like he was fresh bread and buying him drinks.
Personally, I don't want to look like this dude b/c it is obvious he juices hard.

There are "jacked" dudes in Europe. And they are usually at the bottom of the barrel in society, that's one of the reasons they work out so hard. Their body is probably all they've got.

This is why I don't know of any guys working out who would dream to look like this. Call it arrogant or snobbish, that's the way it is.

[Gixxermuscle]

Here is a study on the matter: http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton...y_sexy.pdf

Quote:

These findings also support the
conclusion that male physical attractiveness plays a previously underappreciated role in women’s mate choices—
and perhaps in how men compete with each other to
attract women’s attention.

Quote:

"Built" Judged most attractive by college age women. Brawny not far behind. Brawny judged to be more dominent, more likely to cheat.

My take, and this is coming from a guy who is 6-7% bf and muscular, elite status, training for 10 years with strict as fuk diet, 'leaness' is the pussy puller. I've been more muscular/heavier, but when I am cut to shreds, I find the attraction from women is NOTICEABLY greater. And 'LOL' at the guys here saying they dont want to get big, as if its the easiest thing in the world.

Don't forget, it's not just your body, it's facial aesthetics. Getting lean as fuk lends well to bringing out your jawline an cheekboans as well.

TL;DR Get as muscular as you can naturally while lean as fuk. Leaness rules the roost.