[misterstir]

(02-10-2012 12:02 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

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Seemed nice, but wasn't getting IOIs, I need more game.

I don't mean to derail the thread, but isn't it possible that she wasn't attracted to you? I mean, I have very short hair and am skinny, and that already means there's a huge chunk of women whose 'type' I am not.

Don't take this as an attack, and for all I know, you look like a male model. I'm just starting to get doubts whenever I hear that 'better game' can always fix a situation if the woman's not feeling you. Looking back at my hook up history, I would say maybe 4 were iffy about me that I "gamed" to attraction. The other few dozens I basically knew they were into me minutes into our interaction.

I mean, I've seen Roosh's videos. He's a pretty fit dude and definitely I'd say above average in the face. I actually don't know how he keeps all that muscle while traveling: The small portion sizes and lack of gym equipment in France did a number on my already low weight. To me, game seems like a useful tool if the woman is neutral to positive about you. If she has negative feelings (many American women dislike bald/shaved head men or lanky guys) about your appearance then your time is better served moving on to the next girl.

Nope I seen so many ugly guys pull girls out their league that there is no reason why an outgoing average guy cannot pull a hot girl. Just realize you won't be having any ltr prospect with her

[metalhaze]

"'m just starting to get doubts whenever I hear that 'better game' can always fix a situation if the woman's not feeling you."

looks and appearance is very important, attitude comes second. every man should work on his appearance and look.
if a girl aint feeling ya, it is a waste of time to game her in my opinion, that seems like try-hard, there are plenty of others.
a good players knows how to play the numbers game well and puts himself in a position or situation where he has a lot of options and not much competition in my opinion

[Scarlet_Terror]

(02-11-2012 02:57 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  

"'m just starting to get doubts whenever I hear that 'better game' can always fix a situation if the woman's not feeling you."

looks and appearance is very important, attitude comes second. every man should work on his appearance and look.
if a girl aint feeling ya, it is a waste of time to game her in my opinion, that seems like try-hard, there are plenty of others.
a good players knows how to play the numbers game well and puts himself in a position or situation where he has a lot of options and not much competition in my opinion

That's what I'm saying. I think it's a numbers games. I've seen some PUA coaches say "you get girl you want", which I personally think is a load of shit. The men with the greatest success get rejected the most.

So yeah, as long as you have game and a woman is not thinking "this guy is gross", you might have some success. But there's also a chance she does think you're completely unattractive, she has a boyfriend she's in love with deeply, or her mom just died and she's fucked up in the head. Some things magic words and body language can't fix. Just move on to the next girl.

[speakeasy]

(02-11-2012 03:26 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 02:57 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  

"'m just starting to get doubts whenever I hear that 'better game' can always fix a situation if the woman's not feeling you."

looks and appearance is very important, attitude comes second. every man should work on his appearance and look.
if a girl aint feeling ya, it is a waste of time to game her in my opinion, that seems like try-hard, there are plenty of others.
a good players knows how to play the numbers game well and puts himself in a position or situation where he has a lot of options and not much competition in my opinion

That's what I'm saying. I think it's a numbers games. I've seen some PUA coaches say "you get girl you want", which I personally think is a load of shit. The men with the greatest success get rejected the most.

So yeah, as long as you have game and a woman is not thinking "this guy is gross", you might have some success. But there's also a chance she does think you're completely unattractive, she has a boyfriend she's in love with deeply, or her mom just died and she's fucked up in the head. Some things magic words and body language can't fix. Just move on to the next girl.

I agree. I think game is best used on girls who already have an inkling of attraction for you and you want to amplify that attraction and speed things along. Game will help greatly in not fucking up a good warm lead.

All this shit is really no different than sales if you've ever worked in that industry. Your conversion ratio for cold sales is going to be low for the most part. Most customers even if they are willing to genuinely hear your spiel will flake out somewhere in the process before you get the sale. Your best bet is always warm leads by far. People who were already somewhat interested in what you were selling at first sight but just needed convincing and prodding along. I don't think it's that much different with women.

I was having a conversation about this stuff with a friend a few months back. Whenever he gets blown out he feels all bad like it's his fault. I had to remind him that sometimes, you didn't do anything wrong. The girl just wasn't feeling you. Just because you failed to spark any attraction doesn't mean you did something wrong necessarily. You could do everything right and still fail with her. Although if you're failing time and time again with a variety of women, than obviously something has to be tweaked in your game.

[metalhaze]

"All this shit is really no different than sales if you've ever worked in that industry. Your conversion ratio for cold sales is going to be low for the most part. Most customers even if they are willing to genuinely hear your spiel will flake out somewhere in the process before you get the sale. Your best bet is always warm leads by far. People who were already somewhat interested in what you were selling at first sight but just needed convincing and prodding along. I don't think it's that much different with women."

I co-sign a 100%

[xmlenigma]

(02-10-2012 10:35 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I actually dated a 19 year old, and my ex, 28, found out about it, she started texting me angry messages calling me a Pedophile! ??? wtf? A pedohiple?

I responded: "If I'm a pedophile for fucking a 19 year old, you should immediately report me to the local police "Please let me know what they say, and where I should turn myself in".

What a jealous bitch!

Mixx

I got similar grief and got kinda stalked and re-engaged by the ex for some attention.

[23Billion]

My father is 67 and he is thinking about getting married again. I've heard that my aunt found this 24 year old girl for him. If he goes to the Middle East in December then he's definitely getting married. I also heard from a guy I know that a 50+ year old dude married some 19 year old girl from an under-developed country and brought her to Canada.

He told me she's pretty damn hot and he tried to work it but couldn't. I'd bang her for sure if I get a chance haha .

I don't really understand this fuss about age difference. Adults are free to do what they want as long as it is legal.

I believe that once this whole baby-boomer saga is over, the West will 'rediscover' itself again and gender roles will be reset!

[CtrlAltElite]

(09-03-2012 02:28 AM)23Billion Wrote:  

I don't really understand this fuss about age difference. Adults are free to do what they want as long as it is legal.

True, but I'm against major age gaps. Saying that might have just made me the most hated member here.

I'm against it because it's disgusting 90% of the time. Its always the same kinds of guys, middle-aged, balding, beer gut. Disgusting. I get that you want younger girls, but come on, at least put some effort into your appearance.

[bliss]

(09-03-2012 04:23 AM)CtrlAltElite Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 02:28 AM)23Billion Wrote:  

I don't really understand this fuss about age difference. Adults are free to do what they want as long as it is legal.

True, but I'm against major age gaps. Saying that might have just made me the most hated member here.

I'm against it because it's disgusting 90% of the time. Its always the same kinds of guys, middle-aged, balding, beer gut. Disgusting. I get that you want younger girls, but come on, at least put some effort into your appearance.

this doesn't make any sense... if it's a "successful" age gap (i.e. he's dating the girl) then obviously she doesn't care, so why do you?

[speakeasy]

I wrote this original post a couple years ago. In that time this forum has completely ruined my ability to make look at 30+ women for any serious consideration. I am fixated on mid 20s girls. I love their looks, fit bodies, lack of wrinkles, youthful bounce. Aging is a cruel joke.

[BadWolf]

my wife is 23, I'm 33 or 32... I can't remember now... stopped counting at 30.

[Aliblahba]

The women that do the most hating are the one's that banked on having looks the rest of their lives. Once the beauty goes away, they have no more leverage against men. Twice divorced, kids, too much tanning, smoking, no education, deep in debt, ect. The hamster spins as they wonder why they can only attract men of equal shitty value. Go figure.

The one's that don't care invested in themselves early on, and still have value even around 40. Useful degree, steady career, manageable mortgage, physically active, ect. These are still deemed attractive to men, and don't care that some guys are looking for younger women.

I know girls in the latter category that live in Atlanta and Houston, and have plenty of suitors. If you want to see prime examples of the first category, go to the Waffle House at 3 a.m.

[captaingeneric]

A formerly hot beauty queen who's hit the wall and is now hating on you for hooking up with younger women is the greatest form of schadenfreude I can imagine. I hope to experience it when I hit my 30s.

[markus]

All women realize that their ability to get dick diminishes significantly after a certain age. Growing up women get hit on constantly. But as they get older they get hit on less. Of course women can always get laid at any age if they're attractive. But they know that men will always prefer younger, more beautiful, less worn out women. This makes them insecure, jealous, and bitchy. Use this to your advantage. Playing younger women vs. older women is a win-win situation. It makes them both want you more.

[megatron]

(02-10-2012 07:59 AM)wolf Wrote:  

(02-10-2012 07:37 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

I definitely don't feel sorry for women above 30. I have been turned down by too many women when I was a young guy, they have to understand that now it is finally my turn and I'm not going to let them spoil it.

They will not understand, no matter how many times you explain it.

The less you play by their rules the happier you'll be.

QFT

[Catch 22]

(02-11-2012 12:22 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

They are basically jealous. And, its a reminder that there powerful youthful beauty is fading away.

True, this is just a 30+ woman's "game."

[seeker04542]

(11-15-2009 09:30 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

At a party today, there was this girl who I found out was 20, absolutely bangin' broad, about an 8.5 or 9 on my scale. Tried to talk to her but was having trouble hooking her. Seemed nice, but wasn't getting IOIs, I need more game. Anyway, I have a number of female friends at the party. I asked them about her and they start going on about how she's way too young and it's just wrong for me being 33 to want to talk to a 20 year old girl.

It's almost hilarious how militant women in their 30s get about men their age that eye women in their early to mid 20s. They look at you like you are a creep for doing it. I was like, "what's the big damn deal, she's 20, she's a woman, she ain't no damn teenager. Men like young and beautiful women. Hugh Hefner is a senior citizen and all his girlfriends are in their early 20s, why's that a big deal?" And one girl is like, "well because he's doing it doesn't make it right".

I guess it's understandable, since a female's social status comes from her youthful looks and beauty, they don't want to see themselves losing out to younger more beautiful women.

Yeah it's all B.S., women like older guys but old guys can't like young(er) women.

It's like women who complain that men are obsessed with women's breasts, and then can't stop talking about how tall a guy is.

[SnakeEyes]

(09-03-2012 04:23 AM)CtrlAltElite Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 02:28 AM)23Billion Wrote:  

I don't really understand this fuss about age difference. Adults are free to do what they want as long as it is legal.

True, but I'm against major age gaps. Saying that might have just made me the most hated member here.

I'm against it because it's disgusting 90% of the time. Its always the same kinds of guys, middle-aged, balding, beer gut. Disgusting. I get that you want younger girls, but come on, at least put some effort into your appearance.

Makes no sense. I was 26 dating an 18 year old the summer after she got out of high school. Best sex up until that point. Nothing better than being balls deep in fresh snatch that wants a thick hard cock from a strong successful man.

I doubt you object at the "most interesting man in the world" commercials.

It's all how you present yourself

[Coyote]

"I doubt you object at the "most interesting man in the world" commercials.

It's all how you present yourself"
[/quote]


Yeah I am kind of like that guy but look younger. I can count the number of thirty year old I have slept with on one maybe two hands.

I loved 20 year olds when I was 20 and nothing has changed... hahah except my age. I like to say "The right side of 25" and I don't mean 26.

Now I live in Costa Rica and I am not talking pay 4 play. But american men that live here with their american wives fucking despise me.

Its great! hahahahaha.. my friends back home who have known me all my life know I am doing the same shit here with the same age women here as I have done my entire life.

Here is some insight though.

Depends!

Hey I take out a 38 year old actress and I don't try to bang her. I deep kiss her and thoroughly enjoy her company but I don't want it going any further.

I have a great 23 year old girlfriend that I am kind of exclusive with for sex. Not that I don't bang an ocassional 20 year old and I am working on one right now that is model quality. But what is the point for looking for companionship with a right side of 25 chick? and what is the point of looking for sex with a 38 year old.

I have probally mercy fucked maybe a half dozen chicks in my life... so that's out.

Look there is nothing like youth and beauty.

Recently I had a 22 year old chick from Denver come down on a 2 week vacation. I took her to an event with older Americans and I was austriszed when they found out she was my girlfriend. Fuck.. I took her to a casiono on the ocean front cause she is a rad tall blond skinny model type college coed looking for adventure and all the fine Colombiana pros and hot Ticas and Dominicanas were staring at her as I made sure she was dressed appropriately (like a hooker) by dropping a couple hundread plus on shoes and an outfit, but the fucking American guys there were coming up to me and saying "Is that chick an American?" "Yup" Is she a hooker?" "Nope." Wow you are the luckiest man in the world!

They ate that shit up... and yes I have made me own luck very well thank you..

Point is it depends. What do you want company or sex. When you are what I am assuming be the age group of this clan, I guess you maybe able to find it in one package.

Not at my age.

Its wonderful living where the right side of twenty five looks at the guy with experience wealth and curb appeal as desierable. In the US chicks think like men. They look at guys like sex objects. here its more about hey, you get it, you know how to act and if you knock me up you will take care of me (and I don't mean buy them a house.)

So I eat it up when I am out with a lovely and run across american women. Especially a couple where the guys wants to scope out my woman at any cost as long as his frumpy wifey does not see em. Talk about awkward!

You know when you live outside the box (US) its obvious how unnatural all that shit up there really is.

If you are sucessful here spoils go to the victor, no matter your age if you know how to stay young minded and don't think like your life is over and you would rather be comfortable than vital!

And yes at my age I use every fucking angle and pill and powder and potion the fucking brujas whip up. I use cash, charm, patients, boldness, tenacity, and eat more chicken than any man ever seen... plus I am not possessive. I intimidate the fuck out of the locals. Grab your fucking woman when that old gringo is around. So I don't go after chicks in my village. But as I said there is nothing like young beautiful women and my motto is you are only as old as the women you feel!

I live for the "I fucking hate you looks!" hahahahaha

[HeyPete]

^^^^^
You spent a couple hundred plus on shoes and clothes for a chick that was visiting for 2 weeks?? To impress American guys?? SMH

[Coyote]

Hardly Pete - not to impress them but to impress me. They weren't the ones banging her - I was. Impressing them was collateral reward. Last time I heard there were no Hursts with luggage racks - game at my age aint all about the gym and youth and physical performance - remember I live in Costa Rica and have probably 30 years on you guys...

You got to know when to be lavish and when to be frugal - the famous strategist Miyamoto Musashi said that..

BTW it was worth every nickel....

How many guys my age are banging 22 year old long tall Swedish coed model types that like to walk on the wild side... best money i ever spent. Now I know some of you guys don't want to spend money on women or don't have it to spend and that's ok, but I do... thank God and all though money is not a recipe for success in its self if you got a plan of action it really juices the shit out of it.

Money equals power and power is the ultimate aphrodisiac - Do you think Henry Kissinger was banging gorgeous women because he was a handsome young stud??? You ever seen the guy? nope... But that said I bet he had game along with power.

Anyways the notion that men do not pay for sex is foolish. There is either an emotional, financial or time price paid to get laid.. My emotional health and my time are more important to me than my money (said ever so gratefully BTW - not in a pompous way - just trying to explain myself so you guys get where I am coming from).

[Way Cool Jr]

I'm resurrecting an old thread, but I've got to tell some of the most common phrases that I got in the past for going on younger high-school girls.
I'm 24 now, these younger girls were completely fine to hang out with me and at the same time much more curious and interesting than some girls with my same age with their bitchy attitude and low consideration of people who decide to take a different path than theirs.

I heard many times phrases like:
"He's dating her because he's immature"
"It's the only way he could get those type of girls"
"He's going out with those girls because they are easier and/or slutty"
"Ahhahah, look Way Cool has a girl from high school, but he's just jealous of us"

Needless to say, every one of these affirmation was false, ironically it was usually the opposite.
I think that group of girls like those try to lower your reputation, while they try test your believes and to change your mind, because they see us like a danger or maybe it's just their "rationalization hamster"...

[Screwston]

Girls call me a loser, pervert and child molester if they find out I go for barely legal girls. The sad thing is I've even had guys make slick comments if my dumbass tells them about an 18 year old I get with.

[xsplat]

(09-30-2012 02:41 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

I'm resurrecting an old thread, but I've got to tell some of the most common phrases that I got in the past for going on younger high-school girls.
I'm 24 now, these younger girls were completely fine to hang out with me and at the same time much more curious and interesting than some girls with my same age with their bitchy attitude and low consideration of people who decide to take a different path than theirs.

I heard many times phrases like:
"He's dating her because he's immature"
"It's the only way he could get those type of girls"
"He's going out with those girls because they are easier and/or slutty"
"Ahhahah, look Way Cool has a girl from high school, but he's just jealous of us"

Needless to say, every one of these affirmation was false, ironically it was usually the opposite.
I think that group of girls like those try to lower your reputation, while they try test your believes and to change your mind, because they see us like a danger or maybe it's just their "rationalization hamster"...

You can learn a lot about human nature by immersing yourself in different cultures. You start to notice patterns about what is cross cultural.

In the Philippines the girls will gossip madly at each other with outright, blantant lies. They don't even pretend to try to be believable. They have no shame in this, and it's a sport you'll see at all levels of society.

I've come to believe that this is female nature. In the west our high value of truth and the loss of face that comes from being caught in a lie dampens down this hot tempered fire of female competition.

Women lie for social advantage. This confounds men who speak in order to share information. We tend to think they are being “wrong”, and try to correct them. They aren’t wrong – truth does not enter into it to them. They aren’t trying to share facts – they are trying to manipulate their market value.

[Way Cool Jr]

(09-30-2012 04:32 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

In the Philippines the girls will gossip madly at each other with outright, blantant lies. They don't even pretend to try to be believable. They have no shame in this, and it's a sport you'll see at all levels of society.

I've come to believe that this is female nature. In the west our high value of truth and the loss of face that comes from being caught in a lie dampens down this hot tempered fire of female competition.

Women lie for social advantage. This confounds men who speak in order to share information. We tend to think they are being “wrong”, and try to correct them. They aren’t wrong – truth does not enter into it to them. They aren’t trying to share facts – they are trying to manipulate their market value.

Xsplat, those are some interesting considerations.

I think that when women gossip around one of the main reasons is curiosity and gossiping is meant like a way to spend some time together and to have some talk, like many boys do (for example: sports, politics, video-games, etc...)

Another reason is to discriminate and morally punish who is not acting in the way they want.

I would like to hear other users opinion about the following point:
Do you think that women gossip and talk on your back in order to punish behavior that they don't approve and/or to manipulate their market value?
Do girls consciously do this or it's something that it's in their unconscious?