[Tuthmosis]

(03-15-2012 01:04 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The strongest Game I ever see is from smokers and the smoking areas.

The strongest game I've seen lately was from a older, classy cat with a radio voice. I'd say he was in his mid 50s, and he was rolling with a blonde in her early-to-mid 40s. Good looking for her age, stylish, kept her figure. They were at the same cafe as me, and the guy was dropping story and after story. Interesting shit that had me taking notes, and had her laughing and captivated. At a certain point, I laughed out loud at one of his punchlines. Don't know if they noticed.

When the workers came around to announce that the cafe was closing in 10 minutes, he turned to her and said, cool as a cucumber: "Let's get into an adventure. We're not going anywhere until they kick us out. Let's see how much trouble we can get into." She giggled like a 17-year-old.

Game recognized.

(03-15-2012 01:04 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And I have gone out 2-5 nights a week since I was 16-17 or so.

How long ago was this?

[Excelsior]

(03-15-2012 12:09 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

It's self destructive to get into the habit of thinking so negatively about women. It is the way it is. Adapt and move on, or not.

This is fair enough.

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And regarding your 3 reasons a lot of guys talk about shit that they like on dates instead of finding out shit that the girl likes... I don't know man. I wasn't lucky or anything, I just grew up around people who pretty much expected me to know how to talk to a girl at a young age, and had good mentors to emulate (older brothers, my dad, seniors in HS who had game, etc).

Cool.

As someone who once was among the legions of totally and utterly clueless young men that everyone in this thread is lamenting the existence of, I will now attempt to provide some perspective on how many of them became what they are.

This will be long, so if you do not care for a theory on chode origins, just keep scrolling beyond this.

I didn't grow up around a lot of people who expected me to know how to talk to a girl at a young age (it was the opposite, if anything). I've never seen my father in person, and I can count the number of times I have ever spoken to him (briefly) over the phone on two hands, with fingers to spare. I am an only child (only kid in my generation period, actually-several aunts, no first cousins), so I had no brothers. I rarely ever spoke to older guys or saw them enough to learn from them.

My only male role models were older (almost all at least two generations older, actually), solid, stable, and very traditional Jamaican (and the occasional Trinidadian) men. These were my grandparents and great-uncles. Their influence is the reason why I've accomplished as much in school as I have so far. Unlike most young black males, I had a wealth of highly educated black men within my personal life to model myself after. They had already earned Ivy League (Cornell, Brown, Harvard, etc) and similar (Oxford, Northwestern, etc) degrees. I thus never doubted myself, regardless of my race. That was a big advantage for me.

Of course, on the flipside, I learned no game from them because they grew up in an era (and in lands) where it simply wasn't as crucial (necessary, certainly, but not in nearly the same fashion). Add some conservative Jamaican christianity into the mix (they all married young, and they all stayed married), plus the fact that most of my time was spent alone with my (well meaning, but traditional and not game-aware) mother and you have a recipe for anti-game.

I grew up with a belief in the necessity of formally establishing a relationship with a girl before ever asking her to a dance (it would be improper, after all, to engage in suggestive dancing with a random girl you've not at the bare minimum properly courted). I figured that one needed to gain the permission of a female's father (or whichever older male was around her) before dating her, that one absolutely had to be dating for sex to occur.

I spent most of my life (even up through some of my freshman year in college) believing that it was not ok to kiss on the first date. G-Manifesto speaks here of chodes who have asked women if they could kiss them-there was a time when I was in fact that chode.
I got set on the idea of marriage at 8 years old-I declared then while on another visit with my grandparents back on the island that I wanted to have a wife by 22. This made sense to me, since the only male role models I'd ever known had all been locked down at that age in very traditional, permanent relationships. I knew no other way.

I didn't start shaking any of this until I was 18 or so (I'm 20 now), and I began to realize that the romantic outlook I was bred with was better suited for 1912, not 2012. You can imagine that it takes a while to unlearn all of this, and you can imagine how someone programmed this way can very easily make the mistakes you outlined in the opening post.
You simply cannot learn how to talk to women (especially American girls of the current generations) with a background like this. You'll end up playing catch up, as I've been doing for my entire college career thus far.

And if any of you saw me, you'd absolutely never guess I'd have such a background. Ever. I'm sure the girls were even more perplexed.

Conclusion: It is quite easy to look back now at your upbringing and the traits it gave you, and consider them unremarkable. Granted, you're not the only guy I've known to come from such a background (doesn't seem too rare in the black community, actually). It is true that you are not one of a kind in your possession of said experiences.

Trust me, however, when I say that this possession is not a given.
There are plenty of guys (even many of the chodes you see saying stupid things to girls on dates) in the very same position I am in. Many of them (like myself in the past) will perplex you even more with their chodish nature, since they do not look the part of the chode. They'll learn (they'll have no choice, really-adapt or die), but it is entirely possible that at this point, they simply cannot know any better.

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It wasn't that hard to figure out what not to talk about with a chick. Like anything I had to feel out what worked and what didn't. It took a while. But it eventually became part of my personality because I did it a lot. I refused to sit home while other guys out there were fucking MY girls. Maybe the guys you describe need motivation. I bet you they can put a fucking turbo kit on my GT-R blindfolded, so why can't they figure out how to illicit and use information from a chick who has already agreed to date you (i.e she likes you).

Of course it "wasn't that hard". You were brought up for it. You were put on track early and often by older men with decent "game" mentalities suited for this society and this time. That is what it takes to build the type of motivation and ability to illicit/decipher the female information that you take for granted.

Like I said: none of that is a given.

[Greek kamaki]

Average guy's game is very low quality.They are boring to the extreme.However as long as they follow the social conventions they have no problem to bang.To an average guy players appear like some kind of weirdos.He may also view me as annoying and try to block me.The power of the average is unbeatable although the deviation works.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I'm biased about this. I believe the average dude's game is awful, yet not so awful because even average dudes manage to get laid at least from time to time (I think this is true for some 80-90% of male population). On the other hand, I'm average looking and painfully short (5'4'') and was a virgin until 21, so I think my great game (I get told "I haven't ever met anyone as interesting as you" now!) has started from a really low point. Rather, it might be making up for my lack of experience and other shortcomings that the girls always found a turn-off... so results-wise, despite a much better game I'm still not much better than the average dude. But I'm improving.

Gmanifesto has a great point about learning from older guys, I wish I had someone like that and I definitely would have taken him to lunch. Athlone too.

[Greek kamaki]

It is like saying that pork meat is better.O.K. a girl will have a pork meat from time to time because it is tasty but it does not mean she will withdraw from other boring food.Girls view the environment as natural mode and average guys are there.Like visiting shops every shop has its place.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(03-14-2012 09:19 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hell, no girl I have ever dated knows exactly what I do.

Heck even on this forum no one knows exactly what you do.

[iknowexactly]

(03-14-2012 10:55 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Wow bro, why so negative. I mean, I'm the first one to say "bitch you're dumb" when a bitch is dumb, but I've also had some cool ass, ride or die chicks that have really proved themselves to me.
I think you're meeting the wrong chicks (American).

You've got a very valid criticism of my post here-- too negative-- and you've brought up the best reason:
Chicks CAN be ( if they decide they like you) incredibly loyal and helpful in a lot of ways.

I was emphasizing their ability to discuss serious, abstract intellectual things, which is their weak point.

You correctly brought up all the GOOD stuff they do: sometimes being loyal, willing to be wildly, subserviently sexy.

In my defense, the good things you brought up are mostly non-intellectual, but if you can connect with them, the fun they provide is more fun than anything except the most fascinating intellectual pursuits.

I should, as you allude to, focus more on what they CAN provide than what they can't.

As far as where I am-- EE chicks RESPECT intellectualism more than Murkabeests, but they still are fairly dumb. But that respect make the place wildly less humiliating than Murka for a nerd like me.

[iknowexactly]

(03-15-2012 01:41 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:04 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

~~pro-smoking content censored by me~~.

When the workers came around to announce that the cafe was closing in 10 minutes, he turned to her and said, cool as a cucumber: "Let's get into an adventure. We're not going anywhere until they kick us out. Let's see how much trouble we can get into." She giggled like a 17-year-old.

Game recognized.

(03-15-2012 01:04 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And I have gone out 2-5 nights a week since I was 16-17 or so.

How long ago was this?

This is seriously brilliant--there is an implicit use of a bond-forming technique here.

Whenever you use "us" or "we" you are implying you are a social unit.
Science tells us the best way to promote unity among people who have some conflicting goals is to find a "supervening enemy". Some people do this to disastrous effect by using racial groups as the "outside enemy".

Here the guy made up an "outside enemy" obviously comical in nature-- the staff at the restaurant.

After his challenge, they were "together" against a common enemy. But he did this in a funny way so it didn't bring up a lot of scary social conflict vibes.

LOVE the idea -- sample scenario:

1) Wait for some trivial environmental challenge (e.g. closing time)
2) Make it into a comical US AND THEM frame. (advocating "getting in trouble" will help you screen for humorless b-tches)
3) Escalate temporarily/comically to taste to arouse her heart rate etc, but not to the point of "causing a scene" .
In the above scenario you could tell the waiter "We love this place so much we want to wait here for breakfast."
4) Give up the battle and proceed with some more passionate "us and them" action.
5) Maybe after leaving some stuff like "That was just a temporary setback..like the leads have in an adventure movie [where you're the hot chick] WE WIN IN THE END [sexual allusion]"
7) On the street: " See that taxi? Packed with spies. Spies always drive Chevies. Where can we run!?"

Sexual, playful women are childlike, they'd RATHER play along with something stupidfun than anything notfun.

[Dyonisos]

Its not problem that some guys are takling about cars or sport. The problem is the way they talk about. For example when they talk about cars they are usually braging and try to impress girl or talk some technical details and bore her to death. But again, subject is irrevelant. What matters is the way you talk about things.

As long as you passionate abouth things you talk about and are able to convey your epxerience rather than just pure information you can elaborate on anything. Its a matter of your epxression, not information. If you convey your experience in attractive and expressive manner you can talk about paint drying on your wall and still be interesting.

Me, for example I love table tennis. For most people this is probably one of the less interesting sport to watch. But the way i talk about it captivate people.

When i talk about how i play my new forehand rubber i am like talking about experiecing driving commando red Ferrai.

[iknowexactly]

(03-15-2012 03:12 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I'm biased about this. I believe the average dude's game is awful, yet not so awful because even average dudes manage to get laid at least from time to time (I think this is true for some 80-90% of male population). On the other hand, I'm average looking and painfully short (5'4'') and was a virgin until 21, so I think my great game (I get told "I haven't ever met anyone as interesting as you" now!)

congrats on thinking positive enough to overcome your height--

You get girls with the good attributes you DO have, not the ones you DON'T have.

[assman]

(03-15-2012 05:09 AM)Dyonisos Wrote:  

Its not problem that some guys are takling about cars or sport. The problem is the way they talk about. For example when they talk about cars they are usually braging and try to impress girl or talk some technical details and bore her to death. But again, subject is irrevelant. What matters is the way you talk about things.

As long as you passionate abouth things you talk about and are able to convey your epxerience rather than just pure information you can elaborate on anything. Its a matter of your epxression, not information. If you convey your experience in attractive and expressive manner you can talk about paint drying on your wall and still be interesting.

Me, for example I love table tennis. For most people this is probably one of the less interesting sport to watch. But the way i talk about it captivate people.

When i talk about how i play my new forehand rubber i am like talking about experiecing driving commando red Ferrai.

Back on topic, I've had multiple girls tell me that guys are often too needy starting from the first date. One girl was telling me how one guy was acting like they were boyfriend/girlfriend after one date (no sex). Needless to say, women are repulsed by male neediness.

[Clearwaterkid]

(03-15-2012 01:14 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I will bash the younger generation.

No class.

Trust me, I look for young kids I can bring into my fold.

None of them have any style or class. Cheapskates as well. Ungrateful. No work ethic. And they don't listen.

When I was a young G coming up, I respected my elders. I listened. I kept my mouth shut. If I wanted to learn from them, I took them to lunch. Or dinner. Or drinks. I paid.

I never see any of that get up an go anymore.

I have nearly given up on them.

Every younger generation appears this way to older generations and every older generation hasn't stopped to realize they were the same way. It will continue on a cycle forever.

The cream rises to the top. There are kids just like us out there that are maybe in middle school right now that will take the initiative to make something of themselves. They will be the ones teaching game to us to appeal to the younger generations. Humanity adapts and reacts. If the younger generation is changing how they interact, men will just find a new way to get the pussy. If the new generations lived in a complete entitlement mentality and never got anything because of it, the human race would slowly die out. Just as much as there are the lazy kids out there, there are also the ones that adapt and learn for the better.

[snoop]

(03-14-2012 10:06 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

if a girl asks what you do, do you tell them straight up or do you try to avoid answering the question?

Is your work so fun, enjoyable and interesting that you would do it for free? Do other people think that about it is as well? if so, then talk about it.

Otherwise deflect with humor or reframe the conversation.

[el mechanico]

(03-15-2012 06:37 AM)Clearwaterkid Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:14 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I will bash the younger generation.

No class.

Trust me, I look for young kids I can bring into my fold.

None of them have any style or class. Cheapskates as well. Ungrateful. No work ethic. And they don't listen.

When I was a young G coming up, I respected my elders. I listened. I kept my mouth shut. If I wanted to learn from them, I took them to lunch. Or dinner. Or drinks. I paid.

I never see any of that get up an go anymore.

I have nearly given up on them.

Every younger generation appears this way to older generations and every older generation hasn't stopped to realize they were the same way. It will continue on a cycle forever.

The cream rises to the top. There are kids just like us out there that are maybe in middle school right now that will take the initiative to make something of themselves. They will be the ones teaching game to us to appeal to the younger generations. Humanity adapts and reacts. If the younger generation is changing how they interact, men will just find a new way to get the pussy. If the new generations lived in a complete entitlement mentality and never got anything because of it, the human race would slowly die out. Just as much as there are the lazy kids out there, there are also the ones that adapt and learn for the better.

The cream rises to the top but there's not much of it.

It's mostly the parents fault. Here at the shop I see them everyday in their 20s and 30s and they have no clue what to do if their car breaks. Mom, Dad or grandma have to call for them and figure out how to get it done and pay me. When I was a kid I didn't ask my parents for anything if I even went near their TV room they would make me manually change the channels for them. Ha!

Now here's what the little pantie waste pussy mommas boys have going for them.....
They learn computer skills early..So due to lack of game or balls they could easily end up in a pussy filled environment like an office or as Mike said managing a T-mobile store which will bring a steady flow of ass your way 40 hours a week. The office is just an extension of Highschool. So, these limp wrist little pusses don't really need much game to hook up from time to time. Take the office stud and bring him to a lounge and see how well he does. Why should he even try?

Remember an average guy only needs to get lucky once in a while. A player has to make luck all the time.

[velkrum]

(03-14-2012 10:25 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

after fucking up endless conversations by assuming women have functioning curiosity or logic

o wow...for the most part, this post is ACCURATE AS HELL !

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 04:43 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 09:19 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hell, no girl I have ever dated knows exactly what I do.

Heck even on this forum no one knows exactly what you do.

Ha.

Yeah, that is my point.

(03-15-2012 05:09 AM)Dyonisos Wrote:  

Its not problem that some guys are takling about cars or sport. The problem is the way they talk about. For example when they talk about cars they are usually braging and try to impress girl or talk some technical details and bore her to death. But again, subject is irrevelant. What matters is the way you talk about things.

That is a great point.

You can make it interesting.

I will talk about Horseracing and going to The Track with girls.

But then again a huge portion of girls (ie the fly ones) love horses and going to The Track. Even if they have never been.

It blows my mind that I am the only one on here that talks about Horseracing and The Track.

That is a huge cornerstone of my Game and everyone I know and roll with.

I think guys on here leave a ton of girls on the table.

[Kitsune]

(03-15-2012 01:14 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I will bash the younger generation.

No class.

Trust me, I look for young kids I can bring into my fold.

None of them have any style or class. Cheapskates as well. Ungrateful. No work ethic. And they don't listen.

When I was a young G coming up, I respected my elders. I listened. I kept my mouth shut. If I wanted to learn from them, I took them to lunch. Or dinner. Or drinks. I paid.

I never see any of that get up an go anymore.

I have nearly given up on them.

Normally, I'd disagree strongly with this kind of generalisation.

But I've gotta say, as a young guy, it is amazing how alienated I feel at times for having get up and go. People my age tend to look at you like an alien if you say you want big things in the future. Weirds me out because at some point, the current leaders and people who make stuff happen are going to be out of the game, and I don't see this generation being able to replace them.

I do worry aobut that sometimes.

[46.]

(03-14-2012 09:16 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Anybody else notice this:

I'm like really? "Yeah, most guys come on dates and talk about their cars, or their ex girlfriends, or some other stupid shit and I end up getting bored and just leaving them right then and there."

Yup, I was just out to dinner with 5 chicks I work with (good ratio). Basically, they were complaining that 25-30 year olds just couldn't hold a conversation. Seems like all dudes know how to do is drink and babble, no one approaches until 7 sloppy drinks later. I chalk it up to 1) entitlement and upbringing, plus 2) Madden only teaches you talk s--- to your boys (though I'm guilty of excessive Madden too).

I got on the women about expectations and shields that contribute to the problem, but they had a point. Also interesting was I found that these career broads are not as good as communicating attraction as they should be. They complain about men, but they can't flirt very well. But I guess if you're serious 9 hours a day its tough to go back into ANY sort of alluring mode.

(03-14-2012 10:06 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

if a girl asks what you do, do you tell them straight up or do you try to avoid answering the question?

Whatever is most interesting, IMO. Most jobs can be split into 2 or 3 components, i.e. Financial stuff, connections stuff, creative stuff. Pick the angle you think she wants to hear and connect it to stuff she does.

[americanInEurope]

(03-15-2012 02:50 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 12:09 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

It's self destructive to get into the habit of thinking so negatively about women. It is the way it is. Adapt and move on, or not.

This is fair enough.

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And regarding your 3 reasons a lot of guys talk about shit that they like on dates instead of finding out shit that the girl likes... I don't know man. I wasn't lucky or anything, I just grew up around people who pretty much expected me to know how to talk to a girl at a young age, and had good mentors to emulate (older brothers, my dad, seniors in HS who had game, etc).

Cool.

As someone who once was among the legions of totally and utterly clueless young men that everyone in this thread is lamenting the existence of, I will now attempt to provide some perspective on how many of them became what they are.

This will be long, so if you do not care for a theory on chode origins, just keep scrolling beyond this.

I didn't grow up around a lot of people who expected me to know how to talk to a girl at a young age (it was the opposite, if anything). I've never seen my father in person, and I can count the number of times I have ever spoken to him (briefly) over the phone on two hands, with fingers to spare. I am an only child (only kid in my generation period, actually-several aunts, no first cousins), so I had no brothers. I rarely ever spoke to older guys or saw them enough to learn from them.

My only male role models were older (almost all at least two generations older, actually), solid, stable, and very traditional Jamaican (and the occasional Trinidadian) men. These were my grandparents and great-uncles. Their influence is the reason why I've accomplished as much in school as I have so far. Unlike most young black males, I had a wealth of highly educated black men within my personal life to model myself after. They had already earned Ivy League (Cornell, Brown, Harvard, etc) and similar (Oxford, Northwestern, etc) degrees. I thus never doubted myself, regardless of my race. That was a big advantage for me.

Of course, on the flipside, I learned no game from them because they grew up in an era (and in lands) where it simply wasn't as crucial (necessary, certainly, but not in nearly the same fashion). Add some conservative Jamaican christianity into the mix (they all married young, and they all stayed married), plus the fact that most of my time was spent alone with my (well meaning, but traditional and not game-aware) mother and you have a recipe for anti-game.

I grew up with a belief in the necessity of formally establishing a relationship with a girl before ever asking her to a dance (it would be improper, after all, to engage in suggestive dancing with a random girl you've not at the bare minimum properly courted). I figured that one needed to gain the permission of a female's father (or whichever older male was around her) before dating her, that one absolutely had to be dating for sex to occur.

I spent most of my life (even up through some of my freshman year in college) believing that it was not ok to kiss on the first date. G-Manifesto speaks here of chodes who have asked women if they could kiss them-there was a time when I was in fact that chode.
I got set on the idea of marriage at 8 years old-I declared then while on another visit with my grandparents back on the island that I wanted to have a wife by 22. This made sense to me, since the only male role models I'd ever known had all been locked down at that age in very traditional, permanent relationships. I knew no other way.

I didn't start shaking any of this until I was 18 or so (I'm 20 now), and I began to realize that the romantic outlook I was bred with was better suited for 1912, not 2012. You can imagine that it takes a while to unlearn all of this, and you can imagine how someone programmed this way can very easily make the mistakes you outlined in the opening post.
You simply cannot learn how to talk to women (especially American girls of the current generations) with a background like this. You'll end up playing catch up, as I've been doing for my entire college career thus far.

And if any of you saw me, you'd absolutely never guess I'd have such a background. Ever. I'm sure the girls were even more perplexed.

Conclusion: It is quite easy to look back now at your upbringing and the traits it gave you, and consider them unremarkable. Granted, you're not the only guy I've known to come from such a background (doesn't seem too rare in the black community, actually). It is true that you are not one of a kind in your possession of said experiences.

Trust me, however, when I say that this possession is not a given.
There are plenty of guys (even many of the chodes you see saying stupid things to girls on dates) in the very same position I am in. Many of them (like myself in the past) will perplex you even more with their chodish nature, since they do not look the part of the chode. They'll learn (they'll have no choice, really-adapt or die), but it is entirely possible that at this point, they simply cannot know any better.

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It wasn't that hard to figure out what not to talk about with a chick. Like anything I had to feel out what worked and what didn't. It took a while. But it eventually became part of my personality because I did it a lot. I refused to sit home while other guys out there were fucking MY girls. Maybe the guys you describe need motivation. I bet you they can put a fucking turbo kit on my GT-R blindfolded, so why can't they figure out how to illicit and use information from a chick who has already agreed to date you (i.e she likes you).

Of course it "wasn't that hard". You were brought up for it. You were put on track early and often by older men with decent "game" mentalities suited for this society and this time. That is what it takes to build the type of motivation and ability to illicit/decipher the female information that you take for granted.

Like I said: none of that is a given.

After reading that, it's no wonder you kinda feel the way you feel about chicks. It's almost like betrayal in a way, as you grew up with this idea that acting like a gentlemen will get you rewards, and it's actually gotten you the opposite. So you've gotten to the point where you think most chicks don't deserve to be treated like princesses, but deep down inside you're a nice dude and don't want to be an asshole, but you gotta do what you gotta do to get that ass...and this reality is kinda fucking with you. Is that about right?

I knew guys like you growing up. My boy Luis from the West Indies had a similar background, and when he moved to the states the American girls ate his ass up. I told him he shouldn't be so nice to them all the time. I think this opinion you have of chicks will pass with the more girls you run into. I think at 20 you haven't even scratched the surface yet as to what's out there. IMHO

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 10:41 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:14 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I will bash the younger generation.

No class.

Trust me, I look for young kids I can bring into my fold.

None of them have any style or class. Cheapskates as well. Ungrateful. No work ethic. And they don't listen.

When I was a young G coming up, I respected my elders. I listened. I kept my mouth shut. If I wanted to learn from them, I took them to lunch. Or dinner. Or drinks. I paid.

I never see any of that get up an go anymore.

I have nearly given up on them.

Normally, I'd disagree strongly with this kind of generalisation.

But I've gotta say, as a young guy, it is amazing how alienated I feel at times for having get up and go. People my age tend to look at you like an alien if you say you want big things in the future. Weirds me out because at some point, the current leaders and people who make stuff happen are going to be out of the game, and I don't see this generation being able to replace them.

I do worry aobut that sometimes.

Normally, I wouldn't even make this kind of generalization.

But I have enough experience with it that I feel comfortable.

An interesting thing to look at is popular culture.

Is there anyone dope from the new generation? They all suck.

I can think of a single person.

Look at hip-hop.

All the best guys still are guys that were popular in the 90's. Jay-Z, Snoop, Em, 50 cent, I could go on for days.

Is there any doubt that Pac and Big wouldn't be the biggest in Hip hop if they were still alive?

Where is the new generations Pac and Big?

Even in Boxing, all the stars from the 90's are still the biggest. 70's babies beat 80's babies all the time.

The new generation just sucks. No heart. No Charisma. No Soul.

[americanInEurope]

(03-15-2012 04:48 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 10:55 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Wow bro, why so negative. I mean, I'm the first one to say "bitch you're dumb" when a bitch is dumb, but I've also had some cool ass, ride or die chicks that have really proved themselves to me.
I think you're meeting the wrong chicks (American).

You've got a very valid criticism of my post here-- too negative-- and you've brought up the best reason:
Chicks CAN be ( if they decide they like you) incredibly loyal and helpful in a lot of ways.

I was emphasizing their ability to discuss serious, abstract intellectual things, which is their weak point.

You correctly brought up all the GOOD stuff they do: sometimes being loyal, willing to be wildly, subserviently sexy.

In my defense, the good things you brought up are mostly non-intellectual, but if you can connect with them, the fun they provide is more fun than anything except the most fascinating intellectual pursuits.

I should, as you allude to, focus more on what they CAN provide than what they can't.

As far as where I am-- EE chicks RESPECT intellectualism more than Murkabeests, but they still are fairly dumb. But that respect make the place wildly less humiliating than Murka for a nerd like me.

What's a Murkabeast?

Yeah man the older I get the less I expect of chicks. Like when I was younger I totally expected to meet the hot and intelligent yet down-to-earth and sincere girl I saw on TV, but as I got older I accepted the reality that most girls like that just don't exist. What kind of girls are you messing with here that you think are just so dumb? Dumb like they can't spell their name, dumb like they just aren't into the stuff you're into, or dumb like all they care about is hair and makeup. If the third one is what you're talking about, I find it hard to believe that there isn't something those girls are into deep down inside. In Japan, girls there are super super hot and usually put up a shy and demure front for guys because they think that's what they like. They generally don't talk about themselves unless someone digs. Some guys like this in a woman actually . One of the important lessons I took out of that country is how to dig and dig and dig until I find something the women are into and bring it out of them. I believe in the game world it's called establishing rapport. JP chicks are hard as fuck to establish rapport with because of the language and unstoppable cuteness and shit. You gotta snap them out of that state and control the fucking conversation. Steer it to where you wanna take it. And if all that doesn't work, then maybe she's just not into you. Because trust me, even the most jaded dumb bimbo has something their into, either horses or fashion or saving brown kids or something. You just gotta know how to dig bro just to get her hooked on talking to you.

[WestCoast]

Wow G this is the first thread of comments from you I strongly disagree with. Sure there is no soul/charisma/heart in the majority of people in the younger generation. Particularly mine which lacks large amounts of self confidence and has an obsession with comparing themselves to one another and resulted in a. "famous for being famous" generation ie: Paris hilton.

I would wager the majority of guys you roll with now are also players/different but think of the flip side of the other 95% in ur generation stuck in thankless soulless jobs or marriages.

In terms of the average man, it's all numbers. More of the younger generation that have no drive/passion but I would guess the sheer percentage is the same. So competition will continue to favor smaller percentages of men over time screwing over 90% of men who will inevitably try to rig a system to favor them only to create even stronger players. I would guess in the next 10 years there will be someone who will absolutely trash the tupac and biggie generation.

[WesternCancer]

(03-15-2012 11:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The new generation just sucks. No heart. No Charisma. No Soul.

While my only indicator of the old generation are relatives/their friends I can definitely attest to this. There are only a few people I know that have the drive to do anything with their lives, to do interesting things, meet fly girls, make mad cash. The rest of the people I know (especially from my hometown) have already had the highpoint of their lives in highschool. Their life consists of minimum wage jobs and drinking on weekends. The have zero motivation to do anything aside from routine.

I really think one of the main causes of this is videogames/social media/the internet. They're addicting and they suck the soul out of people, sure its beneficial if you use it to further your interests, but most people just sit on here the whole day doing absolutely nothing, or they play videogames all day and are perfectly content with having no value to their life. The times in which I was without the internet were some of the most productive times of my life. As a kid I read exponentially more books than I will now, I explored and was in wonder about the world. Then for my 10th birthday I got a gameboy and pokemon. I stopped reading, stopped playing sports everything.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 11:34 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I would guess in the next 10 years there will be someone who will absolutely trash the tupac and biggie generation.

That's my point.

That should have happened ten years ago.

The new generations haven't replaced the 90's G's.

Again, try to think of one dope person in any field from the younger generation.

I can't think of one.

[WestCoast]

Hopefully you don't get mad but that's a fallacy in itself let me give an example:

Tiger woods, Kobe, JK Rowling, soon to be Shia Lebuff

Flipping the script a bit:
Banksy - street artist really kicked it after "exit thru the gift shop" - 2010

You can argue the above was not "2000" but that's when they really got famous and had a log enough history to be considered great.

I can pull a person who is great from all generations if you mean "born in the 90's" you'd even have to say something like Justin Bieber as much as it pains me to type that.

Finally, comparison of music is more difficult with the stringent competition and single track sales. But check out "how to make it in America volume 2" and I think u'll see the quality of the average track is 40x that of the average tupac album, but does not compare to tupacs greatest hits.