[JTinVA]

Putin is my hero...

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0112976c-...abdc0.html

[Screwston]

Copy and paste it here with pictures. You have to register to view..

[AlphaTravel]

Is this the masked punk band that set up last minute gigs in the centre of Moscow and outside prisons holidng political prisoners? Saw them on Al Jazeera last week.

[Deb Auchery]

Another link to the story, this one has a funny video of them in a church.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/glo...-cathedral

[kdolo]

Punk Feminist Rockers aka - CIA financed group.

Objective:

demoralize the society by :

1. Encouraging crude, rude, immoral, vulgar behavior
2. Encouraging women to be "empowered"


being the old KGB hand that he is. Putin recognizes the game instantly - and puts and end to iy

[oldnemesis]

Yeah, this is pretty popular discussion topic today in Russia. Mostly because those stupid chicks are being held without bail, while another dude who supposedly stole $14M was just released on something like $3k bail.

[Excelsior]

(03-09-2012 08:28 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Yeah, this is pretty popular discussion topic today in Russia. Mostly because those stupid chicks are being held without bail, while another dude who supposedly stole $14M was just released on something like $3k bail.

Lol



Vladimir Putin gives zero fucks. I love it.

[Caligula]

Quote:

On Thursday, about 20 protesters stood outside Moscow police headquarters calling for the release of the two women. “They are mothers and have left children at home,” said Konstantin, a demonstrator from opposition group Solidarity holding a sign saying, “Mama should be at home”.

Responsible parenting there.

[cibo]

The pictured they linked I believe is a past feman protest and not the punk girls.



Two members of an all-girl punk band have been jailed and may face stiff prison sentences for a prank-like performance inside Moscow’s main Orthodox cathedral last month.

The harsh treatment of the musicians seemed to signal a rising intolerance for dissent in the wake of Sunday’s presidential elections which won Vladimir Putin a third term as Russian president.

It is also a test of sorts for radical feminism – a fringe ideology in macho Russia, yet one which seems to be catching on amid three months of protests against the Kremlin.

In a separate incident, three other feminist activists were in administrative detention after a topless protest on Sunday in the polling station where Mr Putin voted and shouting, “I’ll steal for Putin!” and trying to make off with ballot boxes. They said they represented Ukrainian feminist activist group Femen, which also stripped off in front of the Christ the Saviour cathedral on December 9.

While the Kremlin has not reacted to the Femen protest, Mr Putin has apparently become involved in the fallout from the stunt by the punk band, known as Pussy Riot. "Negative," was how Mr Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov described Mr Putin’s reaction to the scandal in an interview with Dozhd internet television channel. “Honestly speaking, as far as what happened in the cathedral, there's no other way than ‘disgusting’ to describe it, with all the consequences that implies,” he said.

The band first gained notoriety performing in Red Square on a cold January afternoon with the song “Putin wet his pants” performed in dayglo balaclavas and mini dresses. Video of the Pussy Riot performance went viral with 568,000 page views on Youtube as of Thursday.

They followed the stunt on February 21 with another one this time inside Christ the Saviour cathedral, Moscow’s largest church and site of most official religious functions. Five members of the group filmed themselves dancing in front of the cathedral altar, playing electric guitars and singing a hymn-like punk song, “Holy Mother, Blessed Virgin, drive Putin out!”

“Black cassock, gold epaulettes! The congregation bows, crawling to him! The Ghost of Freedom in heaven / Gay Pride is sent to Siberia in chains” goes one representative line.

While they managed to escape the cathedral without being arrested, several members of the band were detained at the weekend, though all but two were released pending trial. A number of bloggers have signed an internet petition asking for leniency for the two, both of whom are single mothers, according to Russian media reports. If convicted of “hooliganism”, they face maximum prison sentences of seven years, according to officials quoted by official news service Ria Novosti.

On Thursday, about 20 protesters stood outside Moscow police headquarters calling for the release of the two women. “They are mothers and have left children at home,” said Konstantin, a demonstrator from opposition group Solidarity holding a sign saying, “Mama should be at home”.

Orthodox church representatives said the church leadership itself did not want the women to be imprisoned. Vladimir Legoida, head of the information service of the Moscow synod of the church, said, “Church officials have more than once said they do not support the idea of a real prison sentence in this case, but call instead for social condemnation.”

“Even the Bolsheviks in their time did not allow themselves such sacrilege, which was demonstrated during this so called ‘punk service’,” he told the respected gazeta.ru online newspaper.

Memories in Moscow appear to be short, however. Christ the Saviour Cathedral in its original incarnation was blown up by Stalin in 1932 and turned into a swimming pool. It was rebuilt in 1996.

[Cincinnatus]

UPDATE

Russian punk band found guilty of hooliganism, sentenced to two years

Quote:

Three members of Pussy Riot -- a Russian punk band and feminist collective that mocked Russian president Vladamir Putin during a "punk prayer" in a Moscow cathedral--have been found guilty of hooliganism and sentenced to two years in jail

Judge Marina Syrova announced the verdict from a district court in central Moscow, about two miles from the Christ the Saviour Cathedral where the guerrilla group performed its "flash" stunt.

The band members--Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 22, Maria Alyokhina, 24, and Yekaterina Samutsevich, 30--were arrested on March 3, several weeks after the performance, and charged with "hooliganism." They've been in jail ever since.

Female judge, too.

[soup]

Stupid move.

If you really want to control the population, keep them anesthetized like they've done here in America.

[Dr. Howard]

It gets even better. The good looking one (if you like Rosario Dawson) is an Ontario Permanent resident (likely Toronto) and her husband is a dual citizen. http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/201...-case.html

One can assume the ideology has been imported.

[kosko]

Next wave of feminism will be born in Toronto sadly. The Academic establishment is run amok with hair lagged females and their loony ideas.

The Media is not putting this "Pussy Riot" junk into context.

These clown females were not just simply anti-government they will critical of the Orthodox Church too in which 65% of Russians call their faith.

Imagine if these women did this in a Mosque in Doha or Jakarta

Or a Synagogue in Hafia, Israel

Hell even a Catholic Church in Texas

and think of the outcry that would result from it.

These people pissed off Russians by offending their faith Putin was down the list of reasons Russians cared about these females. The West media has spun a drunken tirade by a group of women into some anti-establishment thing that is going to sweep the globe.

[Cincinnatus]

Of course my country, the United States, had something to say about all this:

Obama spokesman condemns ‘disproportionate’ prison term for Russian punk band members

Quote:

The White House on Friday condemned the "disproportionate" two-year prison sentence a Russian judge imposed on members of the punk band Pussy Riot, found guilty of "hooliganism" for an event mocking Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"The United States is disappointed by the verdict, including the disproportionate sentences that were granted," spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.

"While we understand the group's behavior was offensive to some, we have serious concerns about the way these young women have been treated by the "Russian judicial system," Earnest said. He did not use the band's name.

At the State Department, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland bluntly urged Russian authorities to review this case and ensure that the right to freedom of expression is upheld."

"The United States is concerned about both the verdict and the disproportionate sentences handed down by a Moscow court in the case against the members of the band Pussy Riot and the negative impact on freedom of expression in Russia," Nuland said in a written statement. Three members of Pussy Riot were found guilty of hooliganism and sentenced to two years in jail in connection to an incident earlier this year in which they mocked Putin during a "punk prayer" in a Moscow cathedral.

Judge Marina Syrova announced the verdict from a district court in central Moscow, about two miles from the Christ the Savior Cathedral where the guerrilla group and feminist collective performed its "flash" stunt.

The band members—Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 22, Maria Alyokhina, 24, and Yekaterina Samutsevich, 30—have been in jail since their March 3 arrest, several weeks after the performance. International free-speech advocates have raised a hue and cry over their case.

[raliv]

everyone would be praising the governments heavy punishment if these feminists had insulted a leader at a Judaic, Islamic, or Buddhist holy place. But no, the double standard here is obvious.

[Big Nilla]

I'm just going on record to say Putin is great in my eyes... he's pretty much the world's best checkmate against the global elitists. He's good for the American people.

[Vicious]

How petty can you guys get? You are applauding the complete dissolution of rule of law in the world's biggest country, a nuclear power because it hits home at a couple of girls who annoy you? Pretty damn narrowminded.

[durangotang]

(08-17-2012 05:19 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

How petty can you guys get? You are applauding the complete dissolution of rule of law in the world's biggest country, a nuclear power because it hits home at a couple of girls who annoy you? Pretty damn narrowminded.

Vic, I understand where you are coming from, however, I am afraid you are being misled. I don't understand why this represents the "complete dissolution of the rule of law". What these girls did was wrong and failure to punish it will just invite more of the same behavior. They should be punished. This is how it all starts and as you can see it was influenced from outside of Russia (one of the girls was a Canadian resident).

Western feminism is a cancer. Russia has decided that they are not willing to let in this caner to spread in their culture. I applaud them for it. So much of what we here about in Russia when they arrest dissidents have to due with western funded NGO's (so called Non-Governmental Organizations) and other organizations infiltrating their system to undermine it. Then our media covers it under the pretext of their "authoritarian regime" and lack of democracy.

Take for example, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, who "describes itself as a non-profit, non-partisan policy institute 'working to defend free nations against their enemies'. It was founded shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks to address what it regards as the 'threat facing America, Israel and the West'." What a lovely democratic NGO, of course headed by James Woolsey, former director of the CIA. They would never support dissident groups to undermine Russia.

Or, take a look at the Soros Foundation. "Soros Foundation is one of a network of national foundations, mostly in Central and Eastern Europe, which fund volunteer socio-political activity, created by George Soros, international financier and self-proclaimed philanthropist, and coordinated since early 1994 by a management team called the Open Society Institute." Have a look at Open Society Institute's "Russia Project." This is the west funding dissidents in Russia to undermine their system.

"Intended programs (of Soros foundation) include 'the education of librarians and others; expansion of a free press, Internet, and e-mail communication; publishing; human rights; arts and culture; and social, legal, and economic reform'. You can read that last part I highlighted as women's rights, homosexual rights, minority rights, immigrant rights, multiculturalism, etc.

Have a look at this Guardian article, titled "US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev," which illustrates just how the United States does it.

Take a look at Soros Foundation and U.S. Influence in relation to Color Revolutions. "A significant source of funding for the Rose Revolution was the network of foundations and NGOs associated with Hungarian-American billionaire financier George Soros ... Soros spent $42 million ramping-up for the overthrow of Shevardnadze." You can read more under the Rose Revolution section titled Funding from Soros-related organizations.

Organizations such as:

The National Endowment for Democracy, which is a "U.S. non-profit organization that was founded in 1983 to promote democracy. It is funded primarily through an annual allocation from the U.S. Congress, within the budget of USAID, the U.S. agency for development assistance, which is part of the U.S. State Department."

The International Republican Institute "an ideologically right-wing organisation, funded by the United States government, that conducts international political programs, sometimes called 'democratization programs'." Oh, so if you don't want United States "democratization programs" and you arrest their agents, then like Russia you have no respect for the rule of law or democracy. Oh, and senator John McCain sits on this organizations board of directors.

The National Democratic Institute for International Affairs is "an (tax payer funded - Department of State) organization created by the United States government by way of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) to channel grants for furthering democracy in developing nations." On their board of advisors is Madeline Albright, former US Secretary of State, and John Wolfensohn, 9th president of the World Bank.

Freedom House "is a U.S.-based non-governmental organization (NGO) that conducts research and advocacy on democracy, political freedom and human rights." Go to their website and check out their "leadership." I just clicked the first one, William H. Taft IV, and here is a brief excerpt "His long service in government includes serving as the Deputy Secretary of Defense, the U.S. Permanent Representative to NATO, and as chief legal advisor to the State Department."

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After seeing all this, can you really say that Russia is cracking down on dissident groups? Or are they defending their sovereignty and culture from foreign influence. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Russian leadership. They are a corrupt security state run by a former KGB agent. However I think that their actions should be seen in terms of the big picture that is going on.

Edit: It is not nice to live under any authoritarian regime. Just ask the Occupy Wall street protesters who got beaten and arrested and ask these foolish, manipulated girls once they get out of a terrible Russian jail for a few years. How much exactly of this sort of thing is funded from outside the country in a big geo-political game? We will never know.

[porscheguy]

I don't like feminism anymore than the rest of you, but cheering a corrupt dictator for suppressing a freedom that many of us consider a birth right is kind of extreme, don't you think? Their brand of feminism is a result of boredom and the youthful need to rebel. It's shit they'll likely grow out of. People are mistaking it for the institutionalized feminism that we have in the west, the kind that exists thanks to the swarms of beta males who enable it.

The bigger problem is that it seems that if you say something Putin doesn't like, you get to spend a couple of years in a Russian jail which apparently haven't improved much since the Soviet days. Silencing your critics by forcefully abusing your power is never a good thing. Especially when your critics are pretty harmless.

[Private Man]

(08-17-2012 06:36 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

I don't like feminism anymore than the rest of you, but cheering a corrupt dictator for suppressing a freedom that many of us consider a birth right is kind of extreme, don't you think? Their brand of feminism is a result of boredom and the youthful need to rebel. It's shit they'll likely grow out of. People are mistaking it for the institutionalized feminism that we have in the west, the kind that exists thanks to the swarms of beta males who enable it.

The bigger problem is that it seems that if you say something Putin doesn't like, you get to spend a couple of years in a Russian jail which apparently haven't improved much since the Soviet days. Silencing your critics by forcefully abusing your power is never a good thing. Especially when your critics are pretty harmless.

These cupcakes are not harmless. They are using their sexuality and genitalia to further an ideological cause. That works.

They will succeed. Being in prison will make them martyrs and a vast legion of horny White Knights will be doing their bidding in the vain hope that they will get a smidgen of attention when these children are released.

[Vicious]

(08-17-2012 06:23 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 05:19 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

How petty can you guys get? You are applauding the complete dissolution of rule of law in the world's biggest country, a nuclear power because it hits home at a couple of girls who annoy you? Pretty damn narrowminded.

Vic, I understand where you are coming from, however, I am afraid you are being misled. I don't understand why this represents the "complete dissolution of the rule of law". What these girls did was wrong and failure to punish it will just invite more of the same behavior. They should be punished. This is how it all starts and as you can see it was influenced from outside of Russia (one of the girls was a Canadian resident).

Punished they should be yes. By a court of law under the rule of law. Not from Putin holding a press conference and declaring what he thinks the punishment should be. If that is not the arbitrary rule of a dictator I don't know what is.

Quote:

<snipped a bunch of links>

After seeing all this, can you really say that Russia is cracking down on dissident groups? Or are they defending their sovereignty and culture from foreign influence.

But you have it backwards. Of course a "corrupt security state" will try to defend itself from foreign influence and keep itself in power. How is this in any way a mitigating circumstance?

The "attacks" on the Russian state are ultimately powered by interests under the boot of the regime. Regardless of funding, human resources is in the end the most important factor. If Russia didn't suffer under the repression of its leaders then there would be little fodder to mount these "attacks" with. Democracies are mostly impervious to these kinds of attacks due to the fact that they allow diversity of opinion and expression.

[durangotang]

(08-17-2012 07:07 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Punished they should be yes. By a court of law under the rule of law. Not from Putin holding a press conference and declaring what he thinks the punishment should be. If that is not the arbitrary rule of a dictator I don't know what is.

Judge Marina Syrova announced the verdict from a district court in central Moscow, about two miles from the Christ the Saviour Cathedral where the guerrilla group performed its "flash" stunt. A judge, not Putin, gave the verdict.

(08-17-2012 07:07 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

But you have it backwards. Of course a "corrupt security state" will try to defend itself from foreign influence and keep itself in power. How is this in any way a mitigating circumstance?

The "attacks" on the Russian state are ultimately powered by interests under the boot of the regime. Regardless of funding, human resources is in the end the most important factor. If Russia didn't suffer under the repression of its leaders then there would be little fodder to mount these "attacks" with. Democracies are mostly impervious to these kinds of attacks due to the fact that they allow diversity of opinion and expression.

First of all, I like to call human beings "people" not "human resources." I have always found the term "human resources" to be a degrading phrase used by corporations and the power elite to describe others as less than human. In fact, corporations used to have "personnel" departments instead of HR departments. A subtle but important difference.

I partially disagree that the "attacks" on the Russian state are powered by interests under the boot of the regime. Certainly democracies are not immune to this type of thing. People are easily manipulated. Do Russian women suffer so greatly? Did American women in the 1950s/1960s? On a side note, I disagree with outright sexual harassment in the Russian workforce, but it is polar opposite here in the west and men suffer greatly. Ultimately foreign influences are seeking to disrupt their culture, sovereignty and to undermine their power, and are funding a few disgruntled people to do it. This is not some organic movement in my opinion. It is a science, how to covertly destabilize a society. Hell, the Russians practically invented it.

Have a look at these videos:

Attacks on the U.S. and western culture happened in a "democracy".

Former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov, who defected to the west, discusses subversion and "active measures"

Another excellent KGB Yuri Bezmenov video, this time he lectures about cultural subersion:

Aaron Russo discusses the funding behind feminism and women's liberation:

Nothing just happens Vic. Things are made to happen. Women don't just spontaneously organize to change society. A third party funds them, provides organization, media attention, and support. It takes a lot of money and time to change a society/culture in this manner.

[Samseau]

(03-08-2012 10:04 PM)JTinVA Wrote:  

Putin is my hero...

[kosko]

(08-17-2012 03:03 PM)raliv Wrote:  

everyone would be praising the governments heavy punishment if these feminists had insulted a leader at a Judaic, Islamic, or Buddhist holy place. But no, the double standard here is obvious.

What do you think would happen if they did a protest here:


Canterbury Cathedral

here


Western Wall

or here:


Al Aqsa Mosque

^ All leading or top locations of worship for thier respected faiths.

The Pussy Roit took place here:


Cathedral of Christ Savior Church the main Church of Russian Orthodoxy

It was not some community church in the center of Moscow.


All this talk of "Freedom of expression" is bullshit. If they did the same thing at any of those other sites which represent the holiest places of worship they would be plunged into a concrete hole in prison or killed on site.

The majority of Russians don't give a fuck about Pussy Roit and now you have Mega celebs whom are atheists such as Madona and Paul Mcartney denouncing the Russian courts for throwing a 2 year sentence to these broads.



I am no religious guy I am just pointing out the obvious double standards and contradictions at work here.The movement is a sham and these females we're dupes from the start.

Anybody whom is sympthyzing with these trollish females whom were CIA and West backed need to have their head checked. The West has a fetishism against Putin simply because Putin is a alpha dog whom isn't playing by their petty rules.

Ask yourself if these pussy riots trolls did the same stunt in-front of the Western Wall? If they wern't stoned to death on site they would be plunged to a deep dark hole in some prison in the hills of Israel. These women mocked the traditional faith of Russia more-so then mocked Putin this is where the West Media twists things. They were mocking both institutions of the Church and the State. Both of whom asked for soft sentences for these Womens. The courts sentenced them to rake leaves and make T-shirts for 2 years and the world is having a shit?

A labor camp is not Prison.

Go ask yourself if you have any freespeach in your Country? At the G20 summit in Toronto I was jailed for peaceful protest off some bullshit secret law my Province passed in the darkness of the night.

Freespeach is an illusion you only have allowed speech which is let to be dispersed and shared by the establishment and its avenues of outreach.

Example:

This is exactly why a "social revolution" will never happen on Social media all that non-sense of OW Sand the Arab spring using Twitter, FB, Youtube. All of these are establishment based avenues of communication. Its a two way street but they are the crossing guards and can limit your passage as they see fit.

Freespeach does not mean you can say what you want in your living room in private, or on some blog that 8 people a day read - anybody has that power to do that. Freespeach is the ability to broadcast your views to a broad audience of people and that in any Country is limited and controlled.

As I have said in other threads Putin is the blockade between you as a Male having to face the fronts of Global/Nuclear war. Russia is the male trope on the global stage while the West/USA is feminine trope.

Pick your side.

[Vicious]

(08-17-2012 07:44 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:07 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Punished they should be yes. By a court of law under the rule of law. Not from Putin holding a press conference and declaring what he thinks the punishment should be. If that is not the arbitrary rule of a dictator I don't know what is.

Judge Marina Syrova announced the verdict from a district court in central Moscow, about two miles from the Christ the Saviour Cathedral where the guerrilla group performed its "flash" stunt. A judge, not Putin, gave the verdict.

That's right. She announced the verdict. Putin however called it in advance. He did call for leniency but that's hardly an excuse when expressing himself as a leader of state on an ongoing case. He has not been equally "generous" when disposing of prior associates and contenders to the throne such as Boris Berezovsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Alexander Litvinenko and other vocal opponents. These people are all dead, in jail or in exile.

The same courts do happen to be quite lenient when it comes to sentencing the killers of critical journalists however.

But if you know ANYTHING about Russian you already know this and I'm surprised we're even having a discussion where Putin's judical virtue is being defended. Of course you can just dismiss all this as the fabrications of western media. But that means you are taking the words of a quasi-dictator over most of the rest of the world's free press. Instant tin foil hat alert.

Quote:

I partially disagree that the "attacks" on the Russian state are powered by interests under the boot of the regime. Certainly democracies are not immune to this type of thing. People are easily manipulated. Do Russian women suffer so greatly? Did American women in the 1950s/1960s? On a side note, I disagree with outright sexual harassment in the Russian workforce, but it is polar opposite here in the west and men suffer greatly. Ultimately foreign influences are seeking to disrupt their culture, sovereignty and to undermine their power, and are funding a few disgruntled people to do it. This is not some organic movement in my opinion. It is a science, how to covertly destabilize a society. Hell, the Russians practically invented it.

This is all interesting, but ultimately anecdotal and philosophical. You are also just repeating points I've already addressed in a rambling manner. Saying the same thing twice does not make it true.

And please do spare us your feigned humanism for the masses by jumping on a simple term as human resources when in the same breath you sweepingly dismiss people in general as being easily manipulated. Hypocritical.

Before the Russian elections millions of millions of protesters to the regime took to the streets. That these countless people are all manipulated by western interests while you have seen through it all with a couple of internet videos... can you possibly be any more arrogant?