[Menace]

I've often thought that one source of animosity between Americans (possibly Anglophones) and the French is that both think that their way of doing things is the best way/right way. In that sense, they are very similar. If I was a Parisian I think I would have a very bad attitude to foreigners, because tourists are everywhere in that city. Hell I get annoyed at tourists in DC that stand on the left side of the escalator, and we don't get nearly as many as Paris.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-03-2012 12:19 PM)mofo Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 12:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I do know four things:

1. Every American that Hates France, doesn't speak french

2. Every American that Hates France, has never had any success swooping girls in France.

3. Every American that Hates France, had zero success at the topless beaches or has never been.

4. Every American that Hates France, his problems don't end there.

Alternate that is not an 100% truth like those above, but still true probably 99% of the time:

Every American that Hates France, loves Christian Audiger, which is ironically the only real thing from France that one should hate.

Well said.

Thanks.

Yeah, those are indisputable truths.

Here is the thing also people don't consider: take a hard look at the American saying "I hate France"

I have heard probably 500 people in my life say something to that effect ("I hate France") and every single time that person was a complete idiot.

So that is something to also keep in mind.

[The_CEO]

(02-02-2012 08:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also I don't get why the French are called "cowards," especially in regard to WW2. They get whupped in short order, sure, but they put up a fight as best as they could. They still lost almost a quarter of a million soldiers, slightly less than Poland. Even after being conquered, they put up sustained resistance: http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=153.

It's because they surrendered quickly in WWII to avoid the heavy casualties they suffered in WW1. The "Vichy French" was the puppet regime that collaborated with the Nazi's. That's why there was a French resistance (who acted bravely, keeping up the fight underground).
A lot of the residual anglo resentment of the French goes back to that and occasionally it's played up today over foreign policy differences.

The French have a lot of cultural pride and take care to protect their language, cuisine, and arts from being overtaken by foreign influence.
And this can manifest itself by rudeness to foreigners.

I think a lot of it depends on the individual traveler. If you're cool you probably will be treated respectfully and well. But there are exceptions to that everywhere. And just like everywhere, people behave differently outside of giant urban centers. In the US, you'd for sure have a different impression of NY vs. LA vs. Boise Idaho. If you only went to Time Square you might think everyone is an ahole

[sine wave killer]

(02-02-2012 08:52 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 08:40 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

what I noticed from him was that he did not give a single fuck. If he didn't like you, he told you, and why. Now that I think about that, its pretty "alpha" behaviour, maybe that nature of the french, especially men, to just not give a fuck is why they've always been considered to do well with women?

I've heard this said about people from France and Germany, as well as certain other EU countries. They are more direct and frank about how they feel and what they think...They don't really vibe with that whole "PC" shit. One of my good friends went to high school in Frankfurt because his Dad was stationed there. Said the same thing. Even at job interviews, you are told straight up if the reason you are not getting the job is because they don't like you.

Very true, it's even true when it comes down to smashing. You'll know straight up whether it's a done deal or not. In and around Frankfurt i've had experiences like this, I was treated like shit when it was assumed that I couldn't understand conversations around me, or even order in restaurants etc. The people who actually treated me the worst out there were from Anglo countries, not surprising.

[billy]

The French collaberated en-mass and were VERY helpful to the Nazis, the local people screwed fortunes out of the allied troops and the French civilians kept delivering British Commandos to the authorities when they were returning from undercover raids. The resistance represented a tiny, aspect of France under occpation. In general they went out of thier way to help the nazis. De Gaulle was also a scumbag he could not be trusted and acted at all times in the best interest of himself and nothing else.
The reason Hitler knew that he could never conquer Britan was that even if he managed to land troops on UK soil the Every man woman and child would have carried on fighting, Hitler wnated peace with England and at times weaker ministers considered negoitiating terms, Churchills response was '

churchill Wrote:

we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the new world, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

and this.

churchill Wrote:

the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.

But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, This was their finest hour.

In contrast the French leader Petain talked about collaberation surrender and becoming a lapdog to an all powerfull Germany.
This was an acceptance of Genocide and resulted in active participation in rounding up jews to the gas chamber. No other defeated country in Europe helped the Nazis as much as France did and people in England very will know that nothing has changed, even today the French spend all their time sucking up to Germany in matters concerning the EU. The morals of the French are lacking and thats why the UK has always had more of a cultural tie with the USA than with its next door neighbour.
If the UK had the same morals as the French then most of Europe would be speaking German and thats why many in England will never respect the French.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-03-2012 12:22 PM)Menace Wrote:  

If I was a Parisian I think I would have a very bad attitude to foreigners, because tourists are everywhere in that city. Hell I get annoyed at tourists in DC that stand on the left side of the escalator, and we don't get nearly as many as Paris.

Alright, let's keep in real here boys.

Here is what happened when the American guy "who hates France" went to France:

1. American Guy goes to Paris, stays one or two days, that is it.

2. American Guy doesn't know any French, doesn't have any connections, zero moves.

3. American Guy only goes to the tourist trap places, and doesn't delve into the neighborhoods of Paris.

4. American Guy is usually dressed like this:



Or some kind of combination with shorts, cargo pants, team sports clothing etc

No doubt the footwear of choice was:



5. American Guy gets bitch slapped by a French guy. He can't understand why he got dissed so bad, when he was dressed like that.

6. American Guy, of course is a non-smoker as well.

7. American Guy goes back to America, and talks about how he "hates France"

8. American Guy's resolve is strengthened as he gets a lot of support from other American Guys who were also Bitch Slapped in tourist parts of Paris.

9. Of course, American guy now feels tough by hanging out with a bunch of other American's who were Bitch Slapped. It is a full Bitch Slap fest in whatever weak hood they hail from.

10. However, American Guy of course, didn't get tough when he was in Paris. After all, why didn't you get all "gangster loco" when you were bitch slapped by the French? You are the tough American and they are the p*ssy French, right? No. He just took his bitch slapping by some rude French guy in a tourist section and loved it.

11. American jack*ss doesn't realize he would have been dissed the same way in NYC, even though he speaks the language, and would have been dissed in any big international city of the world.

If you dig a little, this is the exact story of every American guy, who says, "I hate France".

[mofo]

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 12:22 PM)Menace Wrote:  

If I was a Parisian I think I would have a very bad attitude to foreigners, because tourists are everywhere in that city. Hell I get annoyed at tourists in DC that stand on the left side of the escalator, and we don't get nearly as many as Paris.

Alright, let's keep in real here boys.

Here is what happened when the American guy "who hates France" went to France:

1. American Guy goes to Paris, stays one or two days, that is it.

2. American Guy doesn't know any French, doesn't have any connections, zero moves.

3. American Guy only goes to the tourist trap places, and doesn't delve into the neighborhoods of Paris.

4. American Guy is usually dressed like this:



Or some kind of combination with shorts, cargo pants, team sports clothing etc

No doubt the footwear of choice was:



5. American Guy gets bitch slapped by a French guy. He can't understand why he got dissed so bad, when he was dressed like that.

6. American Guy, of course is a non-smoker as well.

7. American Guy goes back to America, and talks about how he "hates France"

8. American Guy's resolve is strengthened as he gets a lot of support from other American Guys who were also Bitch Slapped in tourist parts of Paris.

9. Of course, American guy now feels tough by hanging out with a bunch of other American's who were Bitch Slapped. It is a full Bitch Slap fest in whatever weak hood they hail from.

10. However, American Guy of course, didn't get tough when he was in Paris. After all, why didn't you get all "gangster loco" when you were bitch slapped by the French? You are the tough American and they are the p*ssy French, right? No. He just took his bitch slapping by some rude French guy in a tourist section and loved it.

11. American jack*ss doesn't realize he would have been dissed the same way in NYC, even though he speaks the language, and would have been dissed in any big international city of the world.

If you dig a little, this is the exact story of every American guy, who says, "I hate France".

Another great post.

[Julio]

French girls love americans and the US culture. I think they are open minded. I see much more mixed couples in France than I can see here in Spain or in Italy. That's a fact due to our colonial history, France today is a cosmopolite place.

Vive la France and you guys know you will always be welcome

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 12:22 PM)Menace Wrote:  

If I was a Parisian I think I would have a very bad attitude to foreigners, because tourists are everywhere in that city. Hell I get annoyed at tourists in DC that stand on the left side of the escalator, and we don't get nearly as many as Paris.

Alright, let's keep in real here boys.

Here is what happened when the American guy "who hates France" went to France:

1. American Guy goes to Paris, stays one or two days, that is it.

2. American Guy doesn't know any French, doesn't have any connections, zero moves.

3. American Guy only goes to the tourist trap places, and doesn't delve into the neighborhoods of Paris.

4. American Guy is usually dressed like this:



Or some kind of combination with shorts, cargo pants, team sports clothing etc

No doubt the footwear of choice was:



5. American Guy gets bitch slapped by a French guy. He can't understand why he got dissed so bad, when he was dressed like that.

6. American Guy, of course is a non-smoker as well.

7. American Guy goes back to America, and talks about how he "hates France"

8. American Guy's resolve is strengthened as he gets a lot of support from other American Guys who were also Bitch Slapped in tourist parts of Paris.

9. Of course, American guy now feels tough by hanging out with a bunch of other American's who were Bitch Slapped. It is a full Bitch Slap fest in whatever weak hood they hail from.

10. However, American Guy of course, didn't get tough when he was in Paris. After all, why didn't you get all "gangster loco" when you were bitch slapped by the French? You are the tough American and they are the p*ssy French, right? No. He just took his bitch slapping by some rude French guy in a tourist section and loved it.

11. American jack*ss doesn't realize he would have been dissed the same way in NYC, even though he speaks the language, and would have been dissed in any big international city of the world.

If you dig a little, this is the exact story of every American guy, who says, "I hate France".

Excellent analysis. This theory actually applies to many types of subcultures, not just the "I hate France" crowd. I'm sure there are many other types of lames we can identify using G's line of reasoning.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-03-2012 02:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Excellent analysis. This theory actually applies to many types of subcultures, not just the "I hate France" crowd. I'm sure there are many other types of lames we can identify using G's line of reasoning.

Yeah, the "I hate France" guy is the cousin to the "I hate Barcelona" guy.

The "I hate Barcelona" guy always does this:

1. Steps into Barcelona, and gets a hostel right off Las Ramblas.

2. Goes out on Las Ramblas and spends 90% of his entire stay on Las Ramblas.

3. Strikes out with local girls, maybe swoops a weesh American college girl on study abroad.

4. Get's pick pocketed on Las Ramblas.

5. Says He "hates Spain" and "hates Barcelona".

Then this jagoff will come to me (its happened even a few time on this forum) and say, "Yo, G! I hate Barcelona, that place sucked!"

Then I say, "well, did you avoid Las Ramblas, like I have said on here 7 million times?"

Then jagoff says, "No, I was on Las Ramblas the entire time".

I can only lead the horse to water...

At a certain point, The Rest is Up to You...

[sine wave killer]

hah, kinda akin to the tourists in NYC who never venture too far from the "safe" parts of Manhattan..and they still "hate" the city.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-03-2012 02:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 02:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Excellent analysis. This theory actually applies to many types of subcultures, not just the "I hate France" crowd. I'm sure there are many other types of lames we can identify using G's line of reasoning.

Yeah, the "I hate France" guy is the cousin to the "I hate Barcelona" guy.

The "I hate Barcelona" guy always does this:

1. Steps into Barcelona, and gets a hostel right off Las Ramblas.

2. Goes out on Las Ramblas and spends 90% of his entire stay on Las Ramblas.

3. Strikes out with local girls, maybe swoops a weesh American college girl on study abroad.

4. Get's pick pocketed on Las Ramblas.

5. Says He "hates Spain" and "hates Barcelona".

Then this jagoff will come to me (its happened even a few time on this forum) and say, "Yo, G! I hate Barcelona, that place sucked!"

Then I say, "well, did you avoid Las Ramblas, like I have said on here 7 million times?"

Then jagoff says, "No, I was on Las Ramblas the entire time".

I can only lead the horse to water...

At a certain point, The Rest is Up to You...

That's funny. I didn't even bother reading anything about Barcelona before I went there. In fact, I would say that because I avoid reading travel advice and blogs, I have been more successful as a result.

My first night on Las Ramblas was my last night on Las Ramblas. I instinctively knew it was a tourist trap and that if I wanted to experience the real Barcelona, I'd have to go elsewhere.

I spent most of my time exploring the real side of that city, which is why I can say without a doubt it's one of the--if not THE--best cities I've ever been too. I didn't even stay in a hostel. I got an apartment in Barceloneta. That spot was money--within walking distance to that club Opium right on Barceloneta Beach, which was walking distance from the Barcelona Yacht Club. Winning logistics.

[MiXX]

Coming up:

Mixx interviews the "I hate Medellin guy".

Stay tuned!

Oh wait, that guy was banned from this forum after a serious meltdown on Medellin!


Mixx

[Mr.GM]

(02-03-2012 02:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 02:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Excellent analysis. This theory actually applies to many types of subcultures, not just the "I hate France" crowd. I'm sure there are many other types of lames we can identify using G's line of reasoning.

Yeah, the "I hate France" guy is the cousin to the "I hate Barcelona" guy.

The "I hate Barcelona" guy always does this:

1. Steps into Barcelona, and gets a hostel right off Las Ramblas.

2. Goes out on Las Ramblas and spends 90% of his entire stay on Las Ramblas.

3. Strikes out with local girls, maybe swoops a weesh American college girl on study abroad.

4. Get's pick pocketed on Las Ramblas.

5. Says He "hates Spain" and "hates Barcelona".

Then this jagoff will come to me (its happened even a few time on this forum) and say, "Yo, G! I hate Barcelona, that place sucked!"

Then I say, "well, did you avoid Las Ramblas, like I have said on here 7 million times?"

Then jagoff says, "No, I was on Las Ramblas the entire time".

I can only lead the horse to water...

At a certain point, The Rest is Up to You...

Any Men who "hates" in Spain is an absolute Idiot. Madrid, Barcelona and even the small towns in Spain are great (been to Vigo and Zamora)
Spain is dope.

[el mechanico]

I don't know..Some people are just dicks. I know my way around Greece pretty good but most the people are dicks and fight with me nonstop.
I love it there anyway and enjoy fighting with them but they can be real assholes. I'm assuming France is about the same.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-03-2012 02:53 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

That's funny. I didn't even bother reading anything about Barcelona before I went there. In fact, I would say that because I avoid reading travel advice and blogs, I have been more successful as a result.

My first night on Las Ramblas was my last night on Las Ramblas. I instinctively knew it was a tourist trap and that if I wanted to experience the real Barcelona, I'd have to go elsewhere.

I spent most of my time exploring the real side of that city, which is why I can say without a doubt it's one of the--if not THE--best city I've ever been too. I didn't even stay in a hostel. I got an apartment in Barceloneta. That spot was money--within walking distance to that club Opium right on Barceloneta Beach, which was walking distance from the Barcelona Yacht Club. Winning logistics.

The craziest thing is I have never stayed in Barceloneta.

Here is the other crazy thing a lot of people don't know:

When I first went to Barcelona (a little post-Olympics), Barceloneta was one of the poorest sections of the city. Real run down.

I loved it though and used to hang there all the time.

I remember saying, "Man, this place is going to be great one day, I should buy an apartment here. This place will blow up for sure".

I was dead on, but had no dough.

That was "blow it" #4080 for your humble author.

Oh well.

[Prowl]

Any American male who doesn't enjoy Paris is off his ass.

Extremely receptive girls, great food, everyone's friendly, etc. I've never gone and not had an excellent time, even when I've been alone. People are nucking futs.

[billy]

Paris is great, as a city is has beauty at every turn but being a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys its not like they worried about bombs too much.

[chairman]

I have been living in the southeast of France (Nice) for the last year I must say that everyone is extremely nice and helpful. What the French do not like is that loud stereotypical Americans (like G described) come into the country and disrespect the culture by assuming that everyone should speak English to them. If you put in the effort to even say a couple of words in French people are eager to help you finish and complement your effort. I play with a sports team here where it is all in French with no one who speaks English and all of them are extremely helpful and helped me learn how to cuss out people. Also, I believe that the South of France is completely different than what most people see in Paris/Northern France it is like comparing Apples with oranges.

[chairman]

(02-03-2012 04:17 PM)billy Wrote:  

Paris is great, as a city is has beauty at every turn but being a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys its not like they worried about bombs too much.

Dude that was 70 years ago and besides guess who helped the American revolution succeed? Without the French, America would still be under the crown.

[Pilgrim37]

I forgive any country that can produce totty like this
That's just effortless class:

[mofo]

(02-03-2012 05:21 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

I forgive any country that can produce totty like this
That's just effortless class:

Hot

[The_CEO]

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 12:22 PM)Menace Wrote:  

If I was a Parisian I think I would have a very bad attitude to foreigners, because tourists are everywhere in that city. Hell I get annoyed at tourists in DC that stand on the left side of the escalator, and we don't get nearly as many as Paris.

Alright, let's keep in real here boys.

Here is what happened when the American guy "who hates France" went to France:

1. American Guy goes to Paris, stays one or two days, that is it.

2. American Guy doesn't know any French, doesn't have any connections, zero moves.

3. American Guy only goes to the tourist trap places, and doesn't delve into the neighborhoods of Paris.

4. American Guy is usually dressed like this:



Or some kind of combination with shorts, cargo pants, team sports clothing etc

No doubt the footwear of choice was:



5. American Guy gets bitch slapped by a French guy. He can't understand why he got dissed so bad, when he was dressed like that.

6. American Guy, of course is a non-smoker as well.

7. American Guy goes back to America, and talks about how he "hates France"

8. American Guy's resolve is strengthened as he gets a lot of support from other American Guys who were also Bitch Slapped in tourist parts of Paris.

9. Of course, American guy now feels tough by hanging out with a bunch of other American's who were Bitch Slapped. It is a full Bitch Slap fest in whatever weak hood they hail from.

10. However, American Guy of course, didn't get tough when he was in Paris. After all, why didn't you get all "gangster loco" when you were bitch slapped by the French? You are the tough American and they are the p*ssy French, right? No. He just took his bitch slapping by some rude French guy in a tourist section and loved it.

11. American jack*ss doesn't realize he would have been dissed the same way in NYC, even though he speaks the language, and would have been dissed in any big international city of the world.

If you dig a little, this is the exact story of every American guy, who says, "I hate France".

the photo says it all. i don't even need to read it.
in fact i am trying to not expose myself to that image any longer than i have to

[beta_plus]

Most people judge the French by their experience in Paris.

That's a bit like judging Americans by their experience in Manhattan & West Brooklyn.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-03-2012 03:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 02:53 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

That's funny. I didn't even bother reading anything about Barcelona before I went there. In fact, I would say that because I avoid reading travel advice and blogs, I have been more successful as a result.

My first night on Las Ramblas was my last night on Las Ramblas. I instinctively knew it was a tourist trap and that if I wanted to experience the real Barcelona, I'd have to go elsewhere.

I spent most of my time exploring the real side of that city, which is why I can say without a doubt it's one of the--if not THE--best city I've ever been too. I didn't even stay in a hostel. I got an apartment in Barceloneta. That spot was money--within walking distance to that club Opium right on Barceloneta Beach, which was walking distance from the Barcelona Yacht Club. Winning logistics.

The craziest thing is I have never stayed in Barceloneta.

Here is the other crazy thing a lot of people don't know:

When I first went to Barcelona (a little post-Olympics), Barceloneta was one of the poorest sections of the city. Real run down.

I loved it though and used to hang there all the time.

I remember saying, "Man, this place is going to be great one day, I should buy an apartment here. This place will blow up for sure".

I was dead on, but had no dough.

That was "blow it" #4080 for your humble author.

Oh well.

I could actually see how Barceloneta used to be a poor area. Even though the apartment I stayed in was nice, some parts of the neighborhood had a "barrio" feel. I could tell much of the area had been gentrified over the past several years. Love that place though.