[Hooligan Harry]

(02-03-2012 12:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I do know four things:

1. Every American that Hates France, doesn't speak french

2. Every American that Hates France, has never had any success swooping girls in France.

3. Every American that Hates France, had zero success at the topless beaches or has never been.

4. Every American that Hates France, his problems don't end there.

Alternate that is not an 100% truth like those above, but still true probably 99% of the time:

Every American that Hates France, loves Christian Audiger, which is ironically the only real thing from France that one should hate.

Dude

1 - Learning to speak French is a waste of time for most people. Its spoken in France and a few dead colonies. I could think of 5 or 6 languages I would learn before I bothered with it.

2 - I have fucked French women outside France and in France with no French. Im sure France is much better if you speak the local language, but that is the same for any country you go to where English is not the first language.

3 - Topless beaches are not unique to France

4 - Many of the people who dont like France simply dont like the French. I have a problem with their attitude, pretentiousness and arrogance. I suspect that its a culture clash, but their subtle, passive aggressive bullshit is something I am not going to tolerate just so I can soak up their faggot culture.

I dont need it in my life. Ill spend my time and money elsewhere. Maybe it hits the spot for some people, but its not for me.

[Nudge]

(02-06-2012 01:17 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 12:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I do know four things:

1. Every American that Hates France, doesn't speak french

2. Every American that Hates France, has never had any success swooping girls in France.

3. Every American that Hates France, had zero success at the topless beaches or has never been.

4. Every American that Hates France, his problems don't end there.

Alternate that is not an 100% truth like those above, but still true probably 99% of the time:

Every American that Hates France, loves Christian Audiger, which is ironically the only real thing from France that one should hate.

Dude

1 - Learning to speak French is a waste of time for most people. Its spoken in France and a few dead colonies. I could think of 5 or 6 languages I would learn before I bothered with it.

2 - I have fucked French women outside France and in France with no French. Im sure France is much better if you speak the local language, but that is the same for any country you go to where English is not the first language.

3 - Topless beaches are not unique to France

4 - Many of the people who dont like France simply dont like the French. I have a problem with their attitude, pretentiousness and arrogance. I suspect that its a culture clash, but their subtle, passive aggressive bullshit is something I am not going to tolerate just so I can soak up their faggot culture.

I dont need it in my life. Ill spend my time and money elsewhere. Maybe it hits the spot for some people, but its not for me.

Again are you sure your not just relating to your experiences in Paris? I have found that down the South things are very different and people are very laid back, friendly and easy going.

[billy]

The Chabal video is typical, Chabal is a fucking animal and well known to UK rugby fans but the sport of rugby has plenty of similar characters.

[Hooligan Harry]

@Nudge

Been to the south of France, once for holiday and once for a rugby tour. Time in Paris and Lyon has been for business mostly, although I did holiday in Paris, I am a history geek.

My views are based on my experiences in France. Paris is no doubt worse than the rest of the country, but the French in general I simply do not like. I find them arrogant, passive aggressive, pretentious and up their own arse. France does not offer enough to take me back for any reason other than work, and I really have little patience for their attitudes.

Perhaps they are nicer if you speak French. Although, if thats the case, it kind of shows what absolute tools they are.

[Moma]

(02-06-2012 08:51 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

@Nudge

Been to the south of France, once for holiday and once for a rugby tour. Time in Paris and Lyon has been for business mostly, although I did holiday in Paris, I am a history geek.

My views are based on my experiences in France. Paris is no doubt worse than the rest of the country, but the French in general I simply do not like. I find them arrogant, passive aggressive, pretentious and up their own arse. France does not offer enough to take me back for any reason other than work, and I really have little patience for their attitudes.

Perhaps they are nicer if you speak French. Although, if thats the case, it kind of shows what absolute tools they are.

Harry - do you mind breaking down your experiences in the South of France?
How long were you in France for on holiday? Did you factor in that maybe you came across as snobbish also or are you generally a cool cat when you go on vacay? I am not labelling you, I just know that sometimes when you have two assertive forces come together, they will reject each other.
Regarding the rugby experience, can you honestly say you guys were cool or were you acting like a bunch of yobbos? The reason I say that, is that I knew a few cats from uni that were on the rugby team and trust me when I say every night, this cat had blood on his shirt from some other guy he had decked or nutted.


Again, I have male family members that have travelled the world extensively. They've enjoyed Poland, Denmark (was okay for them), they loved Czech Republic, Prague but they want nothing to do with France. My family is extremely open minded and humble, but not humble to a pussified level.

If possible, please break out a detailed hate sheet of your holiday experience and your rugby experience. I value your opinion.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-06-2012 01:17 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 12:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I do know four things:

1. Every American that Hates France, doesn't speak french

2. Every American that Hates France, has never had any success swooping girls in France.

3. Every American that Hates France, had zero success at the topless beaches or has never been.

4. Every American that Hates France, his problems don't end there.

Alternate that is not an 100% truth like those above, but still true probably 99% of the time:

Every American that Hates France, loves Christian Audiger, which is ironically the only real thing from France that one should hate.

Dude

1 - Learning to speak French is a waste of time for most people. Its spoken in France and a few dead colonies. I could think of 5 or 6 languages I would learn before I bothered with it.

2 - I have fucked French women outside France and in France with no French. Im sure France is much better if you speak the local language, but that is the same for any country you go to where English is not the first language.

3 - Topless beaches are not unique to France

4 - Many of the people who dont like France simply dont like the French. I have a problem with their attitude, pretentiousness and arrogance. I suspect that its a culture clash, but their subtle, passive aggressive bullshit is something I am not going to tolerate just so I can soak up their faggot culture.

I dont need it in my life. Ill spend my time and money elsewhere. Maybe it hits the spot for some people, but its not for me.

1. So you agree with me.

2. Congratulations. Good work.

3. No one said they were. Did you have success at them?

4. Sounds like you need to relax.

Basically you agree with all my points.

I take it you love Christian Audiger.

[Hooligan Harry]

Bro Im an Aussie from a blue collar home. Rugby is the game of the working class here, its not like it is in the UK. I could not be a snob if I wanted to. Im an easy going, well travelled guy who is pretty tolerant of most things, but like most Aussies Im pretty blunt and at times brash, although never rude or disrespectful to anyone who did not have it coming.

Im saying that the French are quite honestly some of the rudest, most stuck up motherfuckers I have ever come across. Im sure they think the sun would stop shining if they sat down. They have a level of deep seated cultural arrogance I simply have never seen anywhere else and its simply not justified. This belief that France is this crowning jewel in European culture and excellence is something I cannot stomach.

The automatic defense where someone says they are going to treat you like shit just because you dont speak the language is exactly what I am talking about. This is typical of French culture and their arrogance.

Work has taken me to Paris and Lyon a lot because French banks are heavily involved in Africa, but also the Middle East and Eastern Europe countries, in particular construction in Russia. So its not like I went once and called it a day, I spent a lot of time flying in and out in a professional capacity both in Paris and Lyon over the years. I was actually in Lyon for a few days not 18 months ago, although I stayed one night so I could get the fuck out of the place ASAP. I refuse to work with French companies or banks unless I have to simply so I dont want to have to deal with them.

France being a big rugby nation was actually a great rugby trip and a decent holiday, and we played all of our rugby in the south. I also went on holiday there, although I actually went with a chick for 3 weeks. So I did Pepignan all the way to Nice twice.

The rugby trip is always a boys trip and I would never base my opinion of the people on their response to 25 or so meatheads running rampant. Its not like we did not socialise with the French players from some of the clubs we played against either. I liked France enough to go back there for a holiday because I figured it would be a good place to unwind, while at the same time being far enough away from Paris that I would not have to deal with the Parisian attitude. I have no been back on a holiday since because I realised that its not just a Parisian thing, its a French thing.

The second time I went with a chick I was banging at the time because I just wanted to get away for a few weeks. I liked the south of France and thought I would give it another bash. I spent half the time on the verge of ripping peoples heads off their shoulders.

I have no doubt its 100% culture clash, but I come from a place where passive aggressive, rude, arrogant behaviour will lead to a kick in the head. Maybe this is no big deal for some guys and they see value in what France has to offer. I have been around the world enough to know that I can have everything France tries to offer somewhere else with a lot less attitude and bullshit.

They rub me up the wrong way and I am agitated the minute I start going through customs. As a guest in their country they treat you like scum, and in business they act as if everything is a favour.

[Hooligan Harry]

(02-06-2012 11:00 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

1. So you agree with me.

2. Congratulations. Good work.

3. No one said they were. Did you have success at them?

4. Sounds like you need to relax.

Basically you agree with all my points.

I take it you love Christian Audiger.

Dude, the fact that the people treat you like absolute horseshit because you dont speak their dying language sums up perfectly what I am speaking of. Only an arrogant, pretentious snob would think you a lesser human being not worth of his time simply because you do not speak a language that is spoken almost nowhere worth mentioning outside France or Canada. Especially when so much of their livelihood relies on tourism.

Why would you find this sort of behaviour acceptable anywhere?

I dont need to tolerate French bullshit though because France is nothing special and there is nothing drawing me to the place. I dont need to suffer their nonsense so that I can sip coffee in their cafe's or look at topless bitches on their beaches.

Which is why I simply will not go back

If other guys are seeing success there and have a good time, all the more power to them. Have a ball. But its not for everyone, and clearly they dont need my dollars or my time given their attitudes.

[pitt]

I used to hate the french till 3 days ago. So i ask for a lift to these motherfuckers in my work camp, im expecting them to say no because i knew they were french, they tell me to jump in, i tell them that im going to place x and it turns out that they were previously going in a total different direction, however they didnt tell me that shit. So they drop me where i work, a 5 minutes drive (on our way to work we were talking about south of france, funny enough) and i ask them where they are going now, they tell me they are going to the other side, back where they picked me up..i was shocked.. ''so you guys just drove here to drop me?'' they response ''yes''.. I was thinking to myself, there is no way that an english cat would have done the same thing, go out of his way to help the next man.

I have got enough reasons now to visit France, the last french bitch who i approached in south of europe was a 10 with a perfect ass and she loved me..i was just too drunk to pull and she was running with too many people.

I started learning french yesterday (youtube lessons), hopefully by the end of the year i should be fluent enough and then i will fly there nxt year.

[Mr.GM]

(02-06-2012 12:46 AM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 12:24 AM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 12:21 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 12:17 AM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 10:51 AM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

This guy was born in the wrong time. He belongs to battlefields in the middle ages, holding and axe in each hand.

Haha. That's exactly what I thought when I saw the video.

It is NO coicidence he is a rugby player. It is the only kind of environment a guy like him could fit in on our over-civilized society of nowadays. Either that or behind bars, possibly.

Do you guys not recognize uncle roosh?

He is the caveman version of Roosh on roids.

[Moma]

(02-06-2012 11:34 AM)pitt Wrote:  

I used to hate the french till 3 days ago. So i ask for a lift to these motherfuckers in my work camp,

Fam, what do you do for P's?

[Aliblahba]

So, if I go act like a pussy and cry about how fucked up America is, and how I wish I wasn't from there, will I pull some ass in France?

[Moma]

(02-06-2012 11:57 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

So, if I go act like a pussy and cry about how fucked up America is, and how I wish I wasn't from there, will I pull some ass in France?

Almost. You have to speak perfect French to compliment all of that. If you berate America in English, you immediately get tossed to the wolves of Paris.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-06-2012 11:27 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 11:00 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

1. So you agree with me.

2. Congratulations. Good work.

3. No one said they were. Did you have success at them?

4. Sounds like you need to relax.

Basically you agree with all my points.

I take it you love Christian Audiger.

Dude, the fact that the people treat you like absolute horseshit because you dont speak their dying language sums up perfectly what I am speaking of. Only an arrogant, pretentious snob would think you a lesser human being not worth of his time simply because you do not speak a language that is spoken almost nowhere worth mentioning outside France or Canada. Especially when so much of their livelihood relies on tourism.

Why would you find this sort of behaviour acceptable anywhere?

I dont need to tolerate French bullshit though because France is nothing special and there is nothing drawing me to the place. I dont need to suffer their nonsense so that I can sip coffee in their cafe's or look at topless bitches on their beaches.

Which is why I simply will not go back

If other guys are seeing success there and have a good time, all the more power to them. Have a ball. But its not for everyone, and clearly they dont need my dollars or my time given their attitudes.

Hooligan -

I have seen you multiple times on here haze people for not speaking Russian, not adapting to Russian culture and then complaining about it.

I agreed with you when you did that.

So, it is only fair if I smack you around for saying the same thing about France, right?

I mean, right?

[1bliss]

Ah man I love France. Absolutely beautiful country, and gorgeous feminine lady-like women.

Paris, Montpellier, Bordeaux, St.Tropez, Cannes, Lyon, Marseille, etc. I don't know how anyone can hate France. So much natural beauty, culture, non-obese birds, good weather, good history...

[Enfant_Terrible]

(02-04-2012 05:39 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 03:33 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 07:59 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Now, I know this is a topic that is sure to bring on some haters, but I don't mean to take it there. I've noticed a lot of French bashing in a couple of threads. Even talks about nuking their country.

Whoa.

I'm no fan of Parisians, but I dig Paris. And I dig French women. I like their culture generally.

That said, regardless of what you may think of the country and its people, you've got to give the French props for their social consciousness. They will unite quick to protect themselves against the forces that be, as this clip easily demonstrates. I think those of us in the Anglo world could stand to learn a thing or two from them.

I agree that the French are not passive sheeple that take shit laying down from their government or big corporations, however, it is undeniable that some major social problems exist there. With regards to immigration, France is probably the last place in the developed world that I would want my country to emulate.

An excellent movie to check out is Mathieu Kassovitz's film "La Haine", made in 1995, kind of like a French version of Menace to Society.

Also, listening to French rap (which is quite good), groups like NTM, IAM, Fonky Family and Sniper, you'll see that all is not peaceful in the land of Liberté, égalité, fraternité, especially if you have a name like Said or Mohamed!

Yeah. With respect to immigration, I wouldn't say France can compete with the Anglo world. Within Europe, London reigns supreme as the city to immigrate to and make something of yourself. Their system and culture is far more accepting and open to the world.

If I was concerned with economic mobility and had to live in Europe and just start out somewhere, I'd probably pick the UK, specifically London. As a black man, that's the place where I saw many black men doing well for themselves. Lots of brothers suited up going to work and looking real professional, just like we have in DC, NYC or Atlanta. In the Latin European countries (Spain and France), this was much less the case. I usually saw African men hanging out in parks, either unemployed or working in the informal economy (selling pirated movies, clothing, or w/e).

In the developed world, nothing beats the US (and Canada). Both countries depend on immigration, they just have their unique policies once people immigrate there.

I like both systems.

I actually like the US' immigration policy of assimilation. Extreme nutjobs on the fringes aside, there's a general view that once you come over here (legally), you are expected to be an "American." It doesn't matter where you come from, even if it's a culture that has endured thousands of years throughout many civilizations, you are now just an American. I think that's dope.

Canada promotes multiculturalism, which is also cool. I actually think Canada has done a better job of integrating people in spite of this policy that promotes that people maintain their cultural identities. They lead the developed world in the % of interracial marriages and I've never seen the degree of economic integration--across all income levels--as I have in Toronto. You don't really see that in the US. The higher you move up in the economic strata, the more people look the same. You have entire neighborhoods like that.

In Toronto, I saw evidence of a well-integrated society at every level, even in the historically wealthy neighborhoods.

I think North America is the model to emulate for those countries seeking to promote economic integration on a racial/ethnic level.

With respect to cultural/social integration, I think Brazil leads the pack. They've done an admirable job of making (and embracing) their society as a hybrid of many influences: African, European, Latin, Japanese, etc.

Hey HC,

Agree with most things you said about upward economic ability for minorities in different nations. Latin Europe can certainly learn from US, Canada, UK, etc.

However in terms of social assimilation, let me give another perspective as a US immigrant:

-I met many non-white French who proudly consider themselves as "French" instead of "French-(insert former nationality here)." They say to me that, "in France, I'm considered French."

-As an immigrant who considers himself assimilated, it pisses me off a bit that I'm considered a "dash American" instead of simply "American." I understand this BS because I don't look like the typical "All-American white or black" guy and not everyone in the world is hip to the fact that the US has naturalized immigrants.

-Asians and other minorities are still heavily stereotyped in the media and seen as "foreign" even though many have made the effort and agreed to assimilating in the US, or are born here. How often do Asians or other minorities play lead roles in American movies that portray them as a sexually desirable option? I understand but don't like the reasons.

Back to French love:

I was a Francophile before even wanting to travel to France.

Love how the French language sounds, the literature, appreciate that many thinkers of freedom and liberty originated there, etc. and of course women like Laeticia Casta (first picture of a girl I ever pinned to my wall).

I've never, ever understood the hate towards the French even when you explain the WW2 stuff to me. I think it's just people who misunderstand each other, arrogance, and ignorance on both sides.

When I was in Paris, I expected rudeness because I didn't speak the language. I only encountered 2 incidents of rudeness, both from females and I think it's more to do with them being bitches. The French helped me out in the Metro, the grocery, when I got lost in the neighborhoods, the streets when I had my shit stolen, let me stay in their place, gave me a ride, etc etc...I have many stories of French kindness and beauty (in many ways) that conflicts with what the pundits tell you on TV or the third-rate movies you watched.

As for language conflicts (re: Hooligan Harry). Many French have told me, "If we travel to (insert English-speaking country here), we speak English. We expect you to do the same when you visit ours." I agree wholeheartedly. Respect breeds respect.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(02-04-2012 05:39 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 03:33 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 07:59 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Now, I know this is a topic that is sure to bring on some haters, but I don't mean to take it there. I've noticed a lot of French bashing in a couple of threads. Even talks about nuking their country.
Whoa.

I'm no fan of Parisians, but I dig Paris. And I dig French women. I like their culture generally.

That said, regardless of what you may think of the country and its people, you've got to give the French props for their social consciousness. They will unite quick to protect themselves against the forces that be, as this clip easily demonstrates. I think those of us in the Anglo world could stand to learn a thing or two from them.

I agree that the French are not passive sheeple that take shit laying down from their government or big corporations, however, it is undeniable that some major social problems exist there. With regards to immigration, France is probably the last place in the developed world that I would want my country to emulate.

An excellent movie to check out is Mathieu Kassovitz's film "La Haine", made in 1995, kind of like a French version of Menace to Society.

Also, listening to French rap (which is quite good), groups like NTM, IAM, Fonky Family and Sniper, you'll see that all is not peaceful in the land of Liberté, égalité, fraternité, especially if you have a name like Said or Mohamed!

Yeah. With respect to immigration, I wouldn't say France can compete with the Anglo world. Within Europe, London reigns supreme as the city to immigrate to and make something of yourself. Their system and culture is far more accepting and open to the world.

If I was concerned with economic mobility and had to live in Europe and just start out somewhere, I'd probably pick the UK, specifically London. As a black man, that's the place where I saw many black men doing well for themselves. Lots of brothers suited up going to work and looking real professional, just like we have in DC, NYC or Atlanta. In the Latin European countries (Spain and France), this was much less the case. I usually saw African men hanging out in parks, either unemployed or working in the informal economy (selling pirated movies, clothing, or w/e).

In the developed world, nothing beats the US (and Canada). Both countries depend on immigration, they just have their unique policies once people immigrate there.

I like both systems.

I actually like the US' immigration policy of assimilation. Extreme nutjobs on the fringes aside, there's a general view that once you come over here (legally), you are expected to be an "American." It doesn't matter where you come from, even if it's a culture that has endured thousands of years throughout many civilizations, you are now just an American. I think that's dope.

Canada promotes multiculturalism, which is also cool. I actually think Canada has done a better job of integrating people in spite of this policy that promotes that people maintain their cultural identities. They lead the developed world in the % of interracial marriages and I've never seen the degree of economic integration--across all income levels--as I have in Toronto. You don't really see that in the US. The higher you move up in the economic strata, the more people look the same. You have entire neighborhoods like that.

In Toronto, I saw evidence of a well-integrated society at every level, even in the historically wealthy neighborhoods.

I think North America is the model to emulate for those countries seeking to promote economic integration on a racial/ethnic level.

With respect to cultural/social integration, I think Brazil leads the pack. They've done an admirable job of making (and embracing) their society as a hybrid of many influences: African, European, Latin, Japanese, etc.

Hey HC,

Agree with most things you said about upward economic ability for minorities in different nations. Latin Europe can certainly learn from US, Canada, UK, etc.

However in terms of social assimilation, let me give another perspective as a US immigrant:

-I met many non-white French who proudly consider themselves as "French" instead of "French-(insert former nationality here)." They say to me that, "in France, I'm considered French."

-As an immigrant who considers himself assimilated, it pisses me off a bit that I'm considered a "dash American" instead of simply "American." I understand this BS because I don't look like the typical "All-American white or black" guy and not everyone in the world is hip to the fact that the US has naturalized immigrants.

-Asians and other minorities are still heavily stereotyped in the media and seen as "foreign" even though many have made the effort and agreed to assimilating in the US, or are born here. How often do Asians or other minorities play lead roles in American movies that portray them as a sexually desirable option? I understand but don't like the reasons.

Back to French love:

I was a Francophile before even wanting to travel to France.

Love how the French language sounds, the literature, appreciate that many thinkers of freedom and liberty originated there, etc. and of course women like Laeticia Casta (first picture of a girl I ever pinned to my wall).

I've never, ever understood the hate towards the French even when you explain the WW2 stuff to me. I think it's just people who misunderstand each other, arrogance, and ignorance on both sides.

When I was in Paris, I expected rudeness because I didn't speak the language. I only encountered 2 incidents of rudeness, both from females and I think it's more to do with them being bitches. The French helped me out in the Metro, the grocery, when I got lost in the neighborhoods, the streets when I had my shit stolen, let me stay in their place, gave me a ride, etc etc...I have many stories of French kindness and beauty (in many ways) that conflicts with what the pundits tell you on TV or the third-rate movies you watched.

As for language conflicts (re: Hooligan Harry). Many French have told me, "If we travel to (insert English-speaking country here), we speak English. We expect you to do the same when you visit ours." I agree wholeheartedly. Respect breeds respect.

[chairman]

(02-06-2012 11:27 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 11:00 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

1. So you agree with me.

2. Congratulations. Good work.

3. No one said they were. Did you have success at them?

4. Sounds like you need to relax.

Basically you agree with all my points.

I take it you love Christian Audiger.

Dude, the fact that the people treat you like absolute horseshit because you dont speak their dying language sums up perfectly what I am speaking of. Only an arrogant, pretentious snob would think you a lesser human being not worth of his time simply because you do not speak a language that is spoken almost nowhere worth mentioning outside France or Canada. Especially when so much of their livelihood relies on tourism.

Why would you find this sort of behaviour acceptable anywhere?

I dont need to tolerate French bullshit though because France is nothing special and there is nothing drawing me to the place. I dont need to suffer their nonsense so that I can sip coffee in their cafe's or look at topless bitches on their beaches.

Which is why I simply will not go back

If other guys are seeing success there and have a good time, all the more power to them. Have a ball. But its not for everyone, and clearly they dont need my dollars or my time given their attitudes.

Unlike most countries nowadays, France actually is trying to preserve its culture from American and English speaking domination that is rampant on all parts of the globe. In other countries all over the world, people are becoming more and more the same (learning english and ditching their old languages, same stores as the us, same music, etc). In 50 years most countries will just be clones of the Anglo-world which is just depressing to think about. With that being said, France has done an amazing job at protecting their customs.

Also, if you are in someone else's country and you don't even try to communicate in their language, they deserve the right to be somewhat pissed and rude. Furthermore, because France is a "dying language(as you say)" almost all 20 year olds speak proficient English or another language but, if you look at Australia or any other english speaking country, its more like 20% or less. Having english as your mother tongue leads to people feeling in titled and not giving two shits about other countries cultures or languages. As you have stated, you do not know French but, the question is do you speak another? If not, you have no room to complain about French or any language as a waste of time. Insulting cultures that you do not even know the language to is just stupid and ignorant.

I live in France, and the people here are the nicest and cordial people I have ever dealt with. If take you interest in their culture and speak with them in French they will treat you like a brother and will help you, all you have to do is try.

[Nudge]

^^ I agree

Anyway would a typical aussie be nice and accommodating to a French person in Australia who makes no attempt to speak English and just speaks very loud and slow in French thinking everyone should understand them? Fat chance

[thegmanifesto]

(02-06-2012 06:05 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

^^ I agree

Anyway would a typical aussie be nice and accommodating to a French person in Australia who makes no attempt to speak English and just speaks very loud and slow in French thinking everyone should understand them? Fat chance

Let's even take it a step further:

Would a typical Aussie be nice and accommodating to a French person in a tourist trap in Sydney, Australia who makes no attempt to speak English and just speaks very loud and slow in French thinking everyone should understand them?

And if the French person had a chip on his shoulder and was wearing these sandals:

[Hooligan Harry]

(02-06-2012 12:13 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hooligan -

I have seen you multiple times on here haze people for not speaking Russian, not adapting to Russian culture and then complaining about it.

I agreed with you when you did that.

So, it is only fair if I smack you around for saying the same thing about France, right?

I mean, right?

Absolute bullshit man.

Show me where dude because you are reaching now and completely misconstruing my posts. Adapting to the culture of the people and being tolerant of cultural differences is important. But there is a difference between tolerance and crawling up the ass of the locals just so that they can treat you like a decent human being. The latter is something I refuse to do and the expectation that the French and their culture should be pedastalised (instead of respected) just so that we can enjoy the magnificence of France is an attitude I will never agree with with or accept.

Now I have always said that if people dont speak Russian, they need to pipeline women so that they dont waste their time hitting on women who dont speak English. Its to save them time, and I have said that across multiple posts. I have never hazed anyone for not speaking the local language.

I have also never said that people have had to learn to speak Russian just to TOLERATE THE PLACE, on the contrary, I have advised people its not worth the effort if they dont intend to spend much time there. The people are not going to treat you like a piece of shit because you dont speak Russian or know little about Russia. Go back and check if you have to.

Now you are naturally going to have an easier time of it if you speak the language in any country. The difference is that the French treat you like absolute dirt when you dont speak their language and are clearly a foreigner. It sums up their arrogance and passive aggressiveness perfectly.

Now I am sorry to say, but if people think I am going to dedicate months to learning a language just so that they dont spit in my croissant or will give me directions with a smile, they better make sure their streets are paved with gold instead of dog shit and sewage. France is not nearly special enough that I need to tolerate their ill mannered, disgusting behaviour just so that I can spend time there.

Now, onto culture.

Adapting to and respecting the local culture is completely different from taking issue with the local culture creating a nation of people that treats foreign visitors like lepers. Im not some guy who went for 2 weeks on a holiday once and was rubbed up the wrong way. I have holidayed there, but I have also done business with the French extensively. There is no other nation of people I find more distasteful than them. If I went to France and complained that the cheeseburgers were shit and everyone was a fag because they drank wine instead of beer, you would have case.

If you speak French and like the place, all the more power to you dude. There are people who do enjoy the country and cant get enough of it. Good luck to them! I wish them nothing but the best.

After the poor treatment I have received in France over the years, along with the general attitude of the people, I will not be returning unless I have to. I never felt welcome there and the levels of animosity shown towards foreigners means that they do no want us there. I will oblige them and take my money and time elsewhere.

Not everyone who dislikes France is an ignorant barbarian either bud. Lets leave that crap to the French shall we? It comes more naturally to them than it would you.

[Hooligan Harry]

(02-06-2012 07:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 06:05 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

^^ I agree

Anyway would a typical aussie be nice and accommodating to a French person in Australia who makes no attempt to speak English and just speaks very loud and slow in French thinking everyone should understand them? Fat chance

Let's even take it a step further:

Would a typical Aussie be nice and accommodating to a French person in a tourist trap in Sydney, Australia who makes no attempt to speak English and just speaks very loud and slow in French thinking everyone should understand them?

And if the French person had a chip on his shoulder and was wearing these sandals:

What exactly are you trying to say here G?

So now you are trying to suggest I am nothing more than a sandal wearing, ignorant aussie drunk who was pissed off that no one would speak English to me?

Seriously?

Look dude, Im a patient guy, but you have taken this shit quite personally and you seem to be trying to get quite personal too. And I find that post rather insulting. Cut the indirect shit, if you have problem, lets discuss it like men.

I have taken the time to explain why France does not appeal to me, and those are the views someone who has travelled extensively. You seem to have taken great offence to the fact that people dont like France and you are trying to blame the people who dont like it instead of maybe understanding that its not for everyone. I learn a few phrases to get through any country I travel in, but I am not going to be fluent in the local language most of the time. The expectation that I should be is fucking retarded.

Now I would like some clarity from you please, because not only is that post completely offsides if it was aimed at me, it was rather cowardly if you needed to resort to indirect attacks like that because you dont like the fact that we disagree on something.

[Hooligan Harry]

(02-06-2012 02:54 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

As for language conflicts (re: Hooligan Harry). Many French have told me, "If we travel to (insert English-speaking country here), we speak English. We expect you to do the same when you visit ours." I agree wholeheartedly. Respect breeds respect.

Its not just a language conflict, its the general attitude and arrogance. Please get that into your head. I have actually done your homework for you now.

"If you cant speak French, you deserve to be treated like shit". Ill take that as the views of the Francophiles in this thread then?

Now, just to show you how utterly unreasonable all this "when we are in English countries we speak English" bullshit is

29 countries where French is an official language.

Only France, Canada, Monaco, Switzerland and the Seychelles viable tourist destinations. The rest are crap holes. There is simply no real reason to learn these languages unless you intend to LIVE in those countries is there?

Too many to count where English is an official language though!

If they learn to speak English, not only does it help them do business in the EU, many of the countries they travel too would actually speak English too. They get far more value in it and its the reason why its taught as a second language in France. The vast majority of people learn it as a second language by default.

French is not even spoken enough to make a top 10 list

More people speak German than French for Gods sake. Now the whole world must come to a standstill and take 6 months off so that you can speak their language for a 2 week holiday?

This is exactly the sort of attitude I am talking about. Who in their right mind makes demands of people like this, particularly when tourism is a major employer in their country! And how is this a perfectly reasonable request of anyone?

Do I expect the people in France to speak English to me? Of course not, thats not what I am saying! I dont even expect anyone in any country where English is not an official language to speak English and I will try speak to them in their native tongue with a few phrases I will learn. And I expect people to be rude to me in most places. The French though have taken it all to another level.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-06-2012 09:43 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 12:13 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hooligan -

I have seen you multiple times on here haze people for not speaking Russian, not adapting to Russian culture and then complaining about it.

I agreed with you when you did that.

So, it is only fair if I smack you around for saying the same thing about France, right?

I mean, right?

Absolute bullshit man.

Show me where dude because you are reaching now and completely misconstruing my posts. Adapting to the culture of the people and being tolerant of cultural differences is important. But there is a difference between tolerance and crawling up the ass of the locals just so that they can treat you like a decent human being. The latter is something I refuse to do and the expectation that the French and their culture should be pedastalised (instead of respected) just so that we can enjoy the magnificence of France is an attitude I will never agree with with or accept.

Now I have always said that if people dont speak Russian, they need to pipeline women so that they dont waste their time hitting on women who dont speak English. Its to save them time, and I have said that across multiple posts. I have never hazed anyone for not speaking the local language.

I have also never said that people have had to learn to speak Russian just to TOLERATE THE PLACE, on the contrary, I have advised people its not worth the effort if they dont intend to spend much time there. The people are not going to treat you like a piece of shit because you dont speak Russian or know little about Russia. Go back and check if you have to.

Now you are naturally going to have an easier time of it if you speak the language in any country. The difference is that the French treat you like absolute dirt when you dont speak their language and are clearly a foreigner. It sums up their arrogance and passive aggressiveness perfectly.

Now I am sorry to say, but if people think I am going to dedicate months to learning a language just so that they dont spit in my croissant or will give me directions with a smile, they better make sure their streets are paved with gold instead of dog shit and sewage. France is not nearly special enough that I need to tolerate their ill mannered, disgusting behaviour just so that I can spend time there.

Now, onto culture.

Adapting to and respecting the local culture is completely different from taking issue with the local culture creating a nation of people that treats foreign visitors like lepers. Im not some guy who went for 2 weeks on a holiday once and was rubbed up the wrong way. I have holidayed there, but I have also done business with the French extensively. There is no other nation of people I find more distasteful than them. If I went to France and complained that the cheeseburgers were shit and everyone was a fag because they drank wine instead of beer, you would have case.

If you speak French and like the place, all the more power to you dude. There are people who do enjoy the country and cant get enough of it. Good luck to them! I wish them nothing but the best.

After the poor treatment I have received in France over the years, along with the general attitude of the people, I will not be returning unless I have to. I never felt welcome there and the levels of animosity shown towards foreigners means that they do no want us there. I will oblige them and take my money and time elsewhere.

Not everyone who dislikes France is an ignorant barbarian either bud. Lets leave that crap to the French shall we? It comes more naturally to them than it would you.

Hooligan -

Settle down.

I do remember a thread where you hazed a guy for not adapting to Russian culture and speaking the language.

I am not going to go find it, it would probably take forever. The guy got banned on the thread and he was from NYC. Entropy and some others jumped in and agreed with you.

As did I.

Maybe that rings a bell.

As for the second post, the reason it was "indirect" was that it was a joke and not geared toward you specifically.

The internet is a "flat" medium. Things get lost in translation.

Trust me, I have gone head to head with probably 200 people on here and came out on top each time.

200-0, 200 KO's

If I was going after you, you would know it.

That being said, yeah, I think you should avoid France in the future.

I smacked you for what I thought was hypocritical. That is it.

Nothing personal.

[germanico]

Quote:

1 - Learning to speak French is a waste of time for most people. Its spoken in France and a few dead colonies. I could think of 5 or 6 languages I would learn before I bothered with it.

American guy goes to France. He couldnt be bothered to learn any french because "there where 5 or 6 languages" that where a better waste of his time.

So he expects that everyone in france speaks in perfect english to him, and gets all pissy when they dont. Its obvious that must mean that french people hate americans. Yeah, because americans are so nice to people that come from other countries and expect to receive service in their own language while refusing to speak even the most basic everyday phrases in the local tongue.

The french also have very steep prices in their fancy restaurants, dont serve hamburguers, and look funny at you when you put ketchup on their faggy food.

Therefore, it is declared from now on that all of the People of France shall be declared rude and hostile to everything that America stands for.

From now on, they are going to be called liberty fries, motherfucker! because this is america! and we dont serve any french fucking faggot fries in here!