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04-26-2017, 05:58 AM
Thank you for proving my point. The Civil War was not about slavery. It was about forcing the southern states to stay in the union.
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04-26-2017, 06:03 AM
Reading excerpts from southern states explicitly mentioning wanting to continue slavery , and then denying slavery is a factor, Is kinda like liberals reading islamic manifestos from jihadists and saying Islam has nothing to do with their actions. Carry on though, this thread has been great for observing cognitive dissonance.
There really needs to be a master thread on the forums glaring biases, but I'm not sure how productive it would be, due to said glaring biases. Oh well.
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04-26-2017, 06:38 AM
It's absurd that people try to distill these enormously complex historical events down to just one or two causes. You might as well claim World War I was over the assassination of a single Austrian nobleman, or that World War II started just because Hitler was feeling expansionist one day.
Give me a fucking break. History is never that simple. It's always enormously complicated and at the time it's happening, it might not even be clear why hostilities are rising.
It's also fairly stupid that people say the Iraq War was about WMDs. That got a lot of press, but even at the time things were winding up, as a dumbass high schooler I knew it was a lot more complicated than that. And by the way? I was on a mission guarding a cache of chemical weapons in Iraq that the US didn't bring in. I met a guy years later who guarded that same exact cache in a different unit, during a different deployment. There were at least some WMDs in Iraq. But that still was not the major reason for the war and nobody who was paying attention to the actual details at the time thought it was.
Wars are virtually always about economics at the core. Remember that, follow the money, and you'll get a lot more answers out of history than if you just blindly believe the propaganda you read. Especially if you're reading the propaganda written by the winner!
Perhaps it's just human nature to try to break things down to the level a fucking dog could understand even if it's completely misleading to do so.
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04-26-2017, 08:02 AM
Here's a group of Canadians, and a man from Arkansas, reporting on the situation:
The Puritan hated bear-baiting, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators. - Thomas B. Macaulay
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04-26-2017, 09:32 AM
The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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Confederate monuments removed from New Orleans in dead of night
04-26-2017, 10:30 AM
Well, whatever "conventional" argument you throw in, it does not matter. War was about this or that, Confederacy was good or bad, Slavery was this or that. It does not matter one bit.
The whole point here is, which probably Mr. Kona and AtlantaMan will never understand, relationship of European natives toward the warriors. It's not something thats "cultural" or "political", its a blood memory and nothing less. If you don't feel a certain way about warriors from the past and you are white, your blood has been corrupted or/and polluted (I cannot speak for others, because I am not them but it seems from here that they don't understand the relationship.).
We don't celebrate warriors because they were "right", whatever it mean, but because they were warriors. I think that concept of Victory or Death might be strange to some ethnicities. There is no shame in losing or dying, there is just one shame, in not going into the fight (For whatever it might be.).
If some state-paid cunt would take down the statue of WWI. soldiers in my hometown (My grand-grandfather being one of the fallen.), because they "lost" or whatever the retarted argument might be, there will be blood, no trenches, but blood nevertheless.
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04-26-2017, 10:41 AM
The victors of war determine the history.
To me, the statues should have never been erected in the first place by the union. The union had it in its best interest to take the statues down right away once they found out about them.
However, they weren't taken down then and now these are not being taken down for that reason (namely, the victor says "hell no you can't erect a statute of your losing general"). They're being taken down for another reason - the SJWs.
This is a tricky situation indeed because I don't think the statues should have ever been up in the first place, but since they were and are now being removed due to SJW pressure, I don't think that's right either.
Because they've been up for so long their meaning has transformed into a historical monument and I think historical monuments by and large have earned their right to stay.
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04-26-2017, 11:01 AM
Apparently the government is still worried about bloodshed over it.
You'd think that would be a sign not to fucking do something.
You know how people say "if you have to ask if something is right, it probably isn't"? Well, how about "if you think someone might shoot you in the face for doing ________, reconsider."
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04-26-2017, 11:03 AM
To the ones defending the removal of the statues, I like to ask if they also defend that the muslim made Alhambra Caste in Granada/Spain should also be taken out.