A common belief in the manosphere is this idea of the universal attractiveness of "asshole" game when it is clear there are large demographic clusters of women who don't like or even respond negatively to it.

For example, it seems a lot (most even) Asian chicks don't really respond well to it. A lot of them even respond negatively to it. I almost never see Asian girls with thug dudes. Much more likely to see them with betas than thugs or assholes.

Saying all women are attracted to this "universal constant" is mis-leading. I think heartiste popularized this idea. What needs to be done is properly "segmenting" the female population into "markets" with their own appropriate desires and values. Then we have a better picture of what the women we are targeting want.

Thoughts?

I think once an individual woman is attracted to you, you can run any game you want.

Girls aren't attracted to assholes just because they're assholes.

They're mostly physically attracted to them and then just deal with whatever personality flaws the guy has.

Any girls who you can game by legit being an asshole - as in, the worse you treat her, the more into you she is, are girls with low self esteem.

I wouldn't take the "manosphere" seriously at all. A conglomeration of a lot of bitter and unattractive guys is all I see.

As a recovering nice guy asshole game is about as foreign to me as humanly possible. I've tried to be that way in the past and it always backfired on me resulting in the girl going cold and disappearing or her calling me out as an asshole or dbag and then disappearing. My guess as to why it can be effective is that the asshole refuses to put her on a pedestal, does what he wants when he wants and does not cater to her every whim and command. In other words women love the challenge of an asshole but no woman in her right mind (unless she's bat shit crazy) wants to be abused or blatantly mistreated. Calibration is key to this kind of game but it just doesn't fit my character.

Ni disrespect ti the OP, but the term asshole game has always been in my mind a simplified term that does not help with good game at all

Not really true. Asian girls also respond to it. They may not respond to it on the initial pick up (especially if they're FOB), but once you're banging, they most definitely do. Assholeness is contextual and needs to be calibrated to the woman, the venue, the country, etc. The word really just encapsulates the concepts of confidence, self-entitlement, and charisma.

Assholeness is taught to newbies to shock them out of their nice guy ways, and it's an effective short hand to do this. However, once you internalize things, you don't really have to do it at as much. Moreover, you automatically start acting this way, so you don't even have to think about it. But all women respond to it at some level.

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:33 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

A common belief in the manosphere is this idea of the universal attractiveness of "asshole" game when it is clear there are large demographic clusters of women who don't like or even respond negatively to it.

For example, it seems a lot (most even) Asian chicks don't really respond well to it. A lot of them even respond negatively to it. I almost never see Asian girls with thug dudes. Much more likely to see them with betas than thugs or assholes.

But since I've seen Asian chicks with actual gangsters, that means I'm right?

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:33 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Saying all women are attracted to this "universal constant" is mis-leading. I think heartiste popularized this idea. What needs to be done is properly "segmenting" the female population into "markets" with their own appropriate desires and values. Then we have a better picture of what the women we are targeting want.

Thoughts?

You have the right idea, but the wrong reasoning. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean that it doesn't work, or that it's not optimal.

There are many paths to pussy.

One of the shortest routes is by being an asshole.
A slightly longer route is being very assertive.
You can also get to where you need to be by putting yourself first.

The longest route is being a nice guy.

Most men are groomed by their mothers and often their fathers to be nice guys from birth. This is reinforced at school and church, and later confirmed by popular media. And they continue on that nice guy path until they've reached some material success in their late 20's.

At which point, *some* are rewarded with a decent amount of dating and ultimately with a marriage and family. And the niceness typically continues right back to the court house for a division of assets that have been built by niceness for the past 30-40 years.

That's okay, the nice man will work for another 20 or 30 years, and possibly snag some poon before he dies a nice death.

Yet many of these men, who follow the well worn path that many have traveled before them see these aberrations.

Some not nice men do get their just desserts and end up dead or in prison.
But a lot of these not-so-nice guys end up with women, money, status, and power.

The nice man looks at the not-so-nice man and sometimes he sees a difference.

One bad guy is built.
Another bad guy is tall.
Another one is very funny.
Another one seems to be rich, or has rich parents.

He sees and understands. These men must have been born to be bad.

Yet when he continues to look, he sees men that look much like him, but with lives very unlike his own.

The nice man disregards this information, because it doesn't confirm what he already knows about the world.

Most nice men do this.

But not all.

WIA

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:47 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Not really true. Asian girls also respond to it. They may not respond to it on the initial pick up (especially if they're FOB), but once you're banging, they most definitely do. Assholeness is contextual and needs to be calibrated to the woman, the venue, the country, etc. The word really just encapsulates the concepts of confidence, self-entitlement, and charisma.

Assholeness is taught to newbies to shock them out of their nice guy ways, and it's an effective short hand to do this. However, once you internalize things, you don't really have to do it at as much. Moreover, you automatically start acting this way, so you don't even have to think about it. But all women respond to it at some level.

Yea, Menace pretty much nails it here. Also, there are (per BANG) age ranges where receptiveness to asshole game works best. 25-29 (Roosh says I believe), but I'd extend that to 25-35, as women age they've remained extendedly immature so it still works, and asshole game is fucking simple.

However, anyone who runs asshole game 24/7, will be labeled a true "asshole," so you just gotta know when to turn it on and off convincingly with a seemingly unspoken reason backing it up. You don't get your way? Be an asshole. Consider it the exact inverse of women being brats.

It's essentially man brattiness. But bratty would be petty and gay, so instead men are assholes. MUCH of game is just doing what women do to us, but slightly better. Problem is most men don't realize they're conditioned to accept a bunch of female bullshit, instead of standing up for themselves.

By being an asshole (at times), you're literally speaking women's language, and THAT's why it works. Asshole = Dose of own medicine 9/10 times if done right.

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:36 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

I think once an individual woman is attracted to you, you can run any game you want.

Girls aren't attracted to assholes just because they're assholes.

They're mostly physically attracted to them and then just deal with whatever personality flaws the guy has.

Any girls who you can game by legit being an asshole - as in, the worse you treat her, the more into you she is, are girls with low self esteem.

I disagree. Being an asshole is most effective when the guy is LESS attractive and the girl has HIGH self-esteem, because being an asshole is a way to inflate your own SMV while deflating hers by creating a kind of parallel universe where everything she takes for granted is put into question. You can never achieve that by being "nice."

   

You just need to calibrate for the situation. I've discovered with this chick some older friends set me up with, being an "asshole" just comes off as a dickhead that turns her off. Mainly because the friends told her I'm a "nice guy" before we met. The nice guy routine got me a blowjob the first night, and sex the second.

Quote: (03-06-2015 04:07 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:47 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Not really true. Asian girls also respond to it. They may not respond to it on the initial pick up (especially if they're FOB), but once you're banging, they most definitely do. Assholeness is contextual and needs to be calibrated to the woman, the venue, the country, etc. The word really just encapsulates the concepts of confidence, self-entitlement, and charisma.

Assholeness is taught to newbies to shock them out of their nice guy ways, and it's an effective short hand to do this. However, once you internalize things, you don't really have to do it at as much. Moreover, you automatically start acting this way, so you don't even have to think about it. But all women respond to it at some level.

Yea, Menace pretty much nails it here. Also, there are (per BANG) age ranges where receptiveness to asshole game works best. 25-29 (Roosh says I believe), but I'd extend that to 25-35, as women age they've remained extendedly immature so it still works, and asshole game is fucking simple.

You left out ages 15-23. Thats when asshole game is at its absolute peak. Dudes at that age usually have little value to offer a female as far as money/power/stability but they can be cocky assholes which is what most western girls at that age want.

As women age many of them gain self esteem (and weight) and decide they deserve more. Sure you have a few female peter pans that still want assholes in their 30s and beyond but they are the clear minority.

I think you may be confusing what exactly ass hole game is like what was stated above. I used to be a very very nice beta guy. I started to change and saw the more "asshole" I was, the more pussy came my way. Now asshole doesn't mean call her a bitch, pour your drink on her and tell her shut the fuck up. Could be as simple as lighting teasing or refusing to be a guy who bows down and pedestalize the pussy.

For me, it works wonders as I am very sarcastic, but with upbeat energy. I can't tell you guys how many times i've pulled birds off this style and they themselves wonder why they like it so much.

Lastly to make the distinction, just because you run asshole game does not make you a thug. All women are attracted to a challenge more than a nice guy, who they can figure out in a few minutes.

-CD

My first Asian flag (Singapore girl) approached me with her number while I was making out with another girl on a dance floor 2nd year of University. I hit her up a few weeks later and told her to come out with friends and meet me at X bar. When she arrived sober I was already drunk and put her right back in the taxi and drove directly to her place (just left her friends on the side of the road outside the club). When we got to hers she said I could sleep on the couch but she had to go to bed alone. She went to her room and I looked at the couch for a moment before deciding 'fuck that' and strolled in to her room. I picked her up off from where she was sitting at her study desk and threw her on the bed. I proceed to bang her well and left shortly afterwards.

For the next semester our relationship consisted of me showing up drunk, fucking her whatever way I wanted and then raiding her fridge as she showered. Id either pass out or leave and go home. She had a lot of guys chasing her nonstop but she would always beg me to come over and never gave me any trouble. She would openly see me kiss other girls in front of her at local clubs and would just wait for me to go home with her or try again if I went home with them. A year later she came back on week long holidays to visit friends and begged me to come fuck her. Which I did - the best head I have ever gotten too.

Asshole game works. Asians are no different. I am a introverted non-'thug' guy too so don't be fooled by appearances.

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:33 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

A common belief in the manosphere is this idea of the universal attractiveness of "asshole" game when it is clear there are large demographic clusters of women who don't like or even respond negatively to it.


Saying all women are attracted to this "universal constant" is mis-leading. I think heartiste popularized this idea. What needs to be done is properly "segmenting" the female population into "markets" with their own appropriate desires and values. Then we have a better picture of what the women we are targeting want.

Thoughts?

You don't have be a gangbanger to be running asshole game. I was beta as fuck in high school, writing bitches poems, buying their lunch, I even gave my school-issued MetroCard to girl I like because she lost hers. Never got my dick wet.

I've discovered asshole game in college...by holding doors for women. Follow me with this, there are 3 scenarios that could happen:

1) I hold the door: They never say "Thank You" as if my action was expected

2) I let it slam in their face: They'd always mutter under their breath some cursewords about me.

3) I hold it, look her in the eye and say "You're Welcome" --She'd realize she was rude and would automatically say Thanks 100%.

Women are subsconsciously redpill, they want men to call them out on their shit. But most men are trained against their nature to "make women nod" and are scared to disagree with them. Asshole game to me is contrast game.

Are these Asians in the US or Asia? I think the more feminist a country is the most essential asshole game is to getting laid regularly.

How many Asians have you seen? If you're sample is small it might not be representative....

Asshole game is what you need to succeed with western women-------and this very fact makes me think civilization is dead

Asshole Game is the "game" ........Value based superficial bullshit.

Constantly teasing her and "one upping" her......The worst thing is you can't show honest interest in a girl. you can't even talk as normal person.

Asshole game is the guy she can't get because he is so high value. Chicks would rather you purposefully ignore her text than answer it

Asshole game is mercifully backswatting any shit test she throws out you because even if you acknowledge her shit test in a nice way it won't work.

Frankly I think girls who respond to asshole game are not the kind you want to be with.

Quote: (03-06-2015 03:33 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

A common belief in the manosphere is this idea of the universal attractiveness of "asshole" game when it is clear there are large demographic clusters of women who don't like or even respond negatively to it.

For example, it seems a lot (most even) Asian chicks don't really respond well to it. A lot of them even respond negatively to it. I almost never see Asian girls with thug dudes. Much more likely to see them with betas than thugs or assholes.

Saying all women are attracted to this "universal constant" is mis-leading. I think heartiste popularized this idea. What needs to be done is properly "segmenting" the female population into "markets" with their own appropriate desires and values. Then we have a better picture of what the women we are targeting want.

Thoughts?

I agree. As a strategy, it will only sabotage you...even if it works on some women
as a tactic. Doesn't mean you can't be spicy just don't be so spicy that you're destructive.

Great story, shit's real.

Quote: (03-06-2015 05:35 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

My first Asian flag (Singapore girl) approached me with her number while I was making out with another girl on a dance floor 2nd year of University. I hit her up a few weeks later and told her to come out with friends and meet me at X bar. When she arrived sober I was already drunk and put her right back in the taxi and drove directly to her place (just left her friends on the side of the road outside the club). When we got to hers she said I could sleep on the couch but she had to go to bed alone. She went to her room and I looked at the couch for a moment before deciding 'fuck that' and strolled in to her room. I picked her up off from where she was sitting at her study desk and threw her on the bed. I proceed to bang her well and left shortly afterwards.

For the next semester our relationship consisted of me showing up drunk, fucking her whatever way I wanted and then raiding her fridge as she showered. Id either pass out or leave and go home. She had a lot of guys chasing her nonstop but she would always beg me to come over and never gave me any trouble. She would openly see me kiss other girls in front of her at local clubs and would just wait for me to go home with her or try again if I went home with them. A year later she came back on week long holidays to visit friends and begged me to come fuck her. Which I did - the best head I have ever gotten too.

Asshole game works. Asians are no different. I am a introverted non-'thug' guy too so don't be fooled by appearances.

Well, considering I "lost" my high school crush (Asian) to an actual drug dealer...


Your regular Asian girl responds better to money though.

^


Seriously? That's cliche enough it is like the universe willed it.

Both true points.

Asshole game works well for me naturally. It works best with Asians, if you do it in accordance with the culture they come from.

StrikeBack for the vast majority of Asian girls, especially the ones who don't have white girl friends,(I live in the heavily Asian Bay Area) asshole game does'nt work well on them. Asian girls don't really like to be "thugged" as hard as white or black girls. That's a fact. I see them with too many corny, lame beta dudes.

I agree what will likely work effectively on them is money. There are major cultural differences between Asian women and white women. Even US born ones.

Uhh, definitely not true.

There is a girl who calls me almost everyday and I promptly say, "what do you want?" talk for a little bit and hang up on her mid sentence. When i was nicer to her she would never call me, now she calls me and asks me to hang out a lot. Asshole game most definitely works.

No one is saying it doesn't work. I'm saying it doesn't work with every girl/culture. Context my friend.

Do you demand them to refill your rice bowl by putting it in their face? Saying nothing, maybe a low grunt?

Do you demand dumplings during lunar new year? How do you ask for tea? Do you know anything about their culture?

Trust me, you really don't know how to do it. I would write more but I'm out shopping.

Basic asshole is for white girls only. It doesn't work well on most black women either.

OP, keep studying.