[Fortis]

Kai, I would say it does work on black girls if you're good at arguing.

There is a black chick who swipes cards at the gym who I regularly piss off for fun, but she usually ends up initiating hugs on me without provocation despite my trolling.

[MrXY]

(03-06-2015 03:36 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

I think once an individual woman is attracted to you, you can run any game you want.

Girls aren't attracted to assholes just because they're assholes.

They're mostly physically attracted to them and then just deal with whatever personality flaws the guy has.

Any girls who you can game by legit being an asshole - as in, the worse you treat her, the more into you she is, are girls with low self esteem.

No, you're way off. You're projecting the way men think onto women. It's men who truly don't like bitchiness, they just put up with it because a girl is hot.

Women are attracted to assholism for it's own sake, quite apart from physical attraction. One of the best means for a man who is less than good looking to do better with women is to ramp up his asshole game.

And this idea that only girls with low self esteem like assholes is an old canard put out by women and is patently false. Plenty of perfectly normal, confident, successful women fall for assholes, I've seen it many times.

[Saweeep]

There will always be some women who like all sorts of things.

However, the highest proportion of attractive ones prefer assholery of varying degrees...your job is to quickly figure that out and calibrate accordingly.

Play the odds.

[TravelerKai]

(03-06-2015 08:36 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Kai, I would say it does work on black girls if you're good at arguing.

There is a black chick who swipes cards at the gym who I regularly piss off for fun, but she usually ends up initiating hugs on me without provocation despite my trolling.

Yeah. That's why I said basic asshole game. The line between trolling and being an asshole is very thin. You can troll women without getting them upset. Think corny style trolling. Trolling also demands you be funny or have funny lines. Asshole game does not. A stray joke in between strategic moves, breaks up the monotony and keeps the momentum fresh and moving.

Run basic stuff you see on Pua sites, etc and watch how fast a hand is tossed in your face by a black woman that's worth something. Sometimes arguing too well makes it worse. Gotta let bitches win sometimes especially if they are high strung. That's standard marriage game run on gals you just met. Hardcore huh?

[StrikeBack]

(03-06-2015 07:32 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^


Seriously? That's cliche enough it is like the universe willed it.

Both true points.

The whole thing was a Red Pill movie cliche.

Her father is a super strict army veteran, the type who would require you to get his permission to speak to his daughter (and before mobile phones and social media days, you had few ways around it).

I wrote a little poem and love letter to her on V-Day. She wrote me a LJBF one back (girls were more considerate back then). Later, my friends spotted her making out with the known local drug dealer.

It wasn't a Red Pill awakening for me though. I just wrote her off as fucked-in-the-head type.

Before someone here writes it off as westernised Asian girl with white friends, this was in Asia, in the 90s.

[Old Fritz]

I wonder how many Asian women the OP has dated

[younggun]

In my experience it's important to start small with asshole game. Tease her a little and don't be a doormat, if the rest of your game is solid you're in.

After you bed her, you can turn it up a notch. Just last night I had a girl I've grown tired of come over. I don't think I've ever been more overtly an asshole in my life just because I just gave no shits and she fucking loved it.

[Fortis]

(03-06-2015 09:05 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 08:36 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Kai, I would say it does work on black girls if you're good at arguing.

There is a black chick who swipes cards at the gym who I regularly piss off for fun, but she usually ends up initiating hugs on me without provocation despite my trolling.

Yeah. That's why I said basic asshole game. The line between trolling and being an asshole is very thin. You can troll women without getting them upset. Think corny style trolling. Trolling also demands you be funny or have funny lines. Asshole game does not. A stray joke in between strategic moves, breaks up the monotony and keeps the momentum fresh and moving.

Run basic stuff you see on Pua sites, etc and watch how fast a hand is tossed in your face by a black woman that's worth something. Sometimes arguing too well makes it worse. Gotta let bitches win sometimes especially if they are high strung. That's standard marriage game run on gals you just met. Hardcore huh?

Yeah, i'm not a corny troll, but I see where you're coming from.

example:

Her: you have your card?

me: oh...damn. I forgot...can you look up my name? (i do this knowing the computers SUCK and with a huge line behind me)

her: *sigh* Ok...(beginning to consider how bitchy to act)

Me: I have it. Just fucking with you.


Ultimately, I just do this sort of shit because it's amusing as fuck to see a girl get pisssed off over small shit. It keeps me silly and playful which is a great way to go through the day.

Are you saying i'm running marriage game? haha. But yeah, if she's a really hot black girl she won't put up with that unless you're REALLY charming or she really likes you, but that tends to be the case for most hot girls. I will say that you can pull similar shit like this on a hot white chick and have her laugh and become intrigued, but I think that's just because she's not used to being trolled by men (to corroborate what you were telling OP).

[WalterBlack]

(03-06-2015 08:18 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Do you demand them to refill your rice bowl by putting it in their face? Saying nothing, maybe a low grunt?

Do you demand dumplings during lunar new year? How do you ask for tea? Do you know anything about their culture?

Trust me, you really don't know how to do it. I would write more but I'm out shopping.

Basic asshole is for white girls only. It doesn't work well on most black women either.

I’ve had multiple Asian-American women find out that I’m banging other women, and the same thing happens every time – they ask me why I’m sleeping with other women, and if there’s something wrong with them. I always say, “no, but I’m a man and I like to sleep with other women. I’m not gonna apologise for that and you’re free to never see me again if you can’t deal with it.” I promise them that I’ll use protection with the other women (obviously I don’t use protection if I can get away with it!). After that they usually stick around and I bang them again.

I pissed off a Chinese-American woman FB that I was banging for year. She knew I was banging other women on the side, but her rule was I can’t bang another woman on the same day as I banged her. She found out that I did bang another woman on the same day (she saw a condom wrapper in my trash bin, and I’ve been rawdogging for a while). She got mad and then we ended up banging. The second time this happened she blocked my number.

I’m currently banging a FOB Chinese and a Chinese-American, who are unaware of each other’s existence. The FOB comes round my place with food every time. The Chinese-American wants me to bang her on her bed, because her parents are away in China. I said I’ll do it, but she has to cook for me. If they want me to go to their places, they have to do shit for me!

Am I an arsehole? I’m just using them for food and pussy. I’m still looking for other women on the side…

I tend to find with FOB Asian women, be nice, but not beta, and make fun of them most of the time, but not in a mean way. E.g. The FOB is from Dongguan in China, which a centre of prostitution. She’s actually from a reasonably well off family and went to college in the US, but I keep on teasing her by saying stuff like “did you grow up learning how to do Happy Endings? Did you ever work in the hotels in Dongguan?” I also told her that I will have instead or er-nai (2 milk, or 2nd woman), I will have ba-nai (9 women)!

As far as I know, in Chinese culture, it’s a given that married men bang women on the side, and that many Chinese women have a realistic attitude towards it. The FOB Chinese told me her grandfather had 3 wives before the communist takeover of China. Another FOB Chinese I’ve banged told me that her grandfather had another woman apart from her grandmother and he had kids with her too. This is nothing out of the ordinary.

[TravelerKai]

Why you don't have more rep points is beyond me Walter. You should teach the OP how to run things. That post was dynamite. I've done some of the same things myself. That's how you use the culture to your advantage.

There is a Vietnamese style, Japanese, and Korean too. Just take the time OP to learn it and put it together full circle.

[Lizard King]

I see 'Asshole game' as being frequently misunderstood to be a singular device. I see it as a combination of game principles used in a nuanced way(see the posts above). Like TK says, it can be used in almost any type of situation with success. It's a bit of push/pull, mental domination, projecting a solid DGAF attitude, dread game, abundance mentality from having options. It varies, but is usually successful, because it's done naturally or in a 'congruent' way, and women respond to primal behaviour.

[StrikeBack]

I think the OP just made the wrong observation from what he sees.

Yes there are plenty of Asian women with lame soft beta types. They love controllable betas with money who buy everything they want and do everything they say. That doesn't mean they're sexually attracted to those guys.

[The Reactionary Tree]

Not all women like assholes but they sure as Hell don't like spineless beta males either.

[Julius c]

In my humble opinion 99% of western women like assholes.
I think we can class that as a fact!
I'm a new Zealander by the way.

[Pride male]

Assholes dont get women because they are assholes. They are assholes because they can get women.

Havent met an asshole who had nothing else besides assholery. Money, drugs, looks covers a multitude of assholery.

Nice guys are nice because they lack abundance mentality.

[the1element]

I've noticed when I act like a complete asshole to women they get really turned off, I don't think any girl wants an asshole in their life but they still let them in. I think it's because a women looks at an asshole and is able to ignore his negative traits for the few good ones he has. She almost makes up this fake image of the guy, much like when guys see a women and think she is so cool when in reality she isn't. This makes her stay with the guy because she can rationalize it

"He's a criminal and I know he has other women but he probably likes me the most."

"i;m sure deep, deep down hes a nice guy."

yet she cant see that deep down hes not a nice guy and is still an asshole

[Redwood]

Calibration is key. Even the most ardent assholes I know that are actually getting laid know how to pick and choose wisely.

There has to be a balance.

[Pride male]

Used to watch the Sopranos a lot. Most of those dudes were assholes, but they had their beta moments. One moment Chris is beating the shit out of Adriana, the next he is giving her a club to run.

[Don]

Women don't like assholes because it's "so hot when he slams a door in my face instead of keeping it open for me". Instead, let's think about the traits that the attractive assholes have:

> Frame Control. A beta nice guy is basically sabotaged by his social conditioning to do stuff that we know turns women off. Assholes don't abide by the rules by nature, so you'll find them doing stuff that is generally considered 'not polite' or frowned upon socially. This in turn makes them harder to control in conversation. They also generally have very strong opinions and world-views. For example:

I knew a natural back in high-school. He was 5'7 130lbs, average face, average means. But he was a major stoner and a major asshole. He would defend his opinions to the death, call people(especially girs) out of on their bullshit all the time and snap out of nowhere. In turn, all guys respected him(because of his very aggressive nature) and he ended up in a LTR with the girl of his choosing, the hottest one in our group.

> Dominance. I don't think there is a need to write about why this is important and why this attracts girls. Assholes don't give a fuck, they just take what they want, and that is immensely attractive for girls.

> Challenge. This is a big one: all women have this fantasy of "taming" the wild stallion. An asshole is more of a challenge than a nice guy. She wants to feel like her feminine powers are winning you over. Also their innate nurturing personality makes them addicted to trying to 'fix' these guys. Assholes sometimes have an addictive personality disorder, they're prone to being alcoholics or drug addicts, in contrast to regular dudes who are on average in a better financial and mental condition...which is not "exciting". You can check out some examples of that in this thread.

> Fun(the main reason). Assholes are unpredictable, their whole nature is a 'push-pull' or sorts. A regular, mentally stable dude will rarely create drama for example...on the other hand I've known naturals(that were assholes) that would simply snap at their girls for petty stuff. On the short-term the girls would act all hurt just to jump back on his dick afterwards with even more passion. Nothing pulls them in more than a fun guy, and a predictable boring beta has nothing on the dude that because of his unpredictable nature takes the girl on an emotional roller-coaster.

I don't think "asshole game" can be broken down more than this. The attractive assholes that women flock to all posses these traits, in various levels: unapologetic nature, dominance, all of which create a challenge for the girls and thus fun.

You might notice that i put "asshole game" in quotes every chance i get. That's because I don't view it as a subset of game but instead: the way good game looks like. Developing a rock-solid frame, dominant and fun personality around girls. I will tease girls all day, use and abuse them, but that doesn't make me an asshole, just a guy that understands how they operate and how to push their buttons. Don't be afraid to take things to the extreme, It's fascinating to see how much shit girls will let you get away with.

[Dalaran1991]

LOL Asian girls don't like assholes!

Growing up in Vietnam I lost count of how many hottest girls at school, from traditional families with educated parents, fall head over heels for the asshole troublemakers who get suspended from school. I even knew this one hottie who ran away from home with her tattoed biker boyfriend and the family had to ask the cops to intervene.

Your Asian FOB that you find in Western countries are NOT representative of Asian girls. They are often full of insecurities and inferiority complex

Like it or not, asshole game works, at least for a while. It works for me and a lot of other guys. Most successful players I know who are NOT good looking run very tight asshole game. Shit, even my Ryan Gosling look-alike wing runs asshole game.

Saying not all women like asshole game is banal. That's like saying not all women like a ripped, good looking guy. Yeah, maybe, but that's 1 in about a hundred.

Guys saying "I try to act like an asshole and it doesn't work" don't realize that it's because they are not doing it right, not because asshole game doesnt work. Happened to me and most of us at the beginning. It's like trying to use the blunt side of a knife to cut and then say "this knife doesn't work"

Do not confound bad asshole game with good asshole game. Whether or not a certain type of game works depends on how good you are at it, not the game itself. A guy running tight social circle game can outgame a guy with weak asshole game and vice versa.

As for why asshole game works so well, this has been beaten to death. People who are confident, narcissistic (thus never give a shit), assertive, adventurous, physically strong and other R-selected traits tend to have a behavioral pattern that get them labeled "asshole" by this blue pill society. Remember that society was formed to regulate sexual activities and help beta men find partners. In the jungle the asshole equivalent are the alpha leaders whose species survival depends on him.

The term asshole is starting to lose its meaning now. It's like rape. Any guy who doesn't worship women and get laid regularly automatically gets called an asshole.

[Isaac Jordan]

The Chateau Heartiste: Asshole Game, Day 1

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This week I will discuss Asshole Game. There is no sugarcoating it; being an asshole works on women, all women, most of the time. Any man who has lived a day in his life and isn’t self-deluded by equalist ideology or chick flic romanticism knows this is true, even those PUA “love gurus” who unctuously sermonize that what women really want are “strong confident men” minus the asshole part. Save your holier-than-thou moralizing and desperate attempts to discredit asshole game by falsely claiming it only appeals to low self esteem girls. We’re going to discuss what works, not what should work.

I’ve written before about how effective asshole game is at attracting and keeping your women in line. If you’ve been in a rut, or you’re having troubles with your girlfriend (almost always instigated by the girl), acting like an asshole is the quickest and most efficient way to set things straight. I was talking about this with a couple friends recently and they agreed that no matter how often they see asshole game work, they still can’t accept the reality of it. I hear this said all the time from friends who have witnessed me using asshole game on a girl: “I can’t believe that works.” No surprise. No man truly wants to believe that soul of a woman was created below.

Quote:

There are genuine assholes who are loved, and there are spiteful assholes who get nowhere. The difference is crucial.

Uncaring asshole = success with women.

Caring asshole = failure with women.

When women say they don’t fall for assholes, they are thinking of the second kind. A caring asshole comes from a place of bitterness and spite. His assholery is reactive rather than proactive. He is poor at calibrating which women will be responsive to his dick attitude. Caring assholes are crassly insulting and transparently invested in the outcome of their game.

Uncaring assholes are assholes as a consequence of their indifference. It is the aloofness of the man she loves that drives women crazy with obsession, and that aloofness is manifest as asshole behavior. An uncaring asshole demonstrates clearly in his body language and tone of voice, not to mention his dearth of words, that he could take her or leave her.

The Chateau Heartiste: Caring vs. Uncaring Assholery

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A good rule of thumb to determine if you are leaning more toward the caring side of assholery:

Do you feel emotionally invested in the reaction you’re trying to get from girls you want to have sex with? When you asshole it up, does your blood pressure rise? Does anger festoon your words? Do you imagine vengeance, hoping to land a solid metaphorical blow to a girl’s ego?

If so, you are trying too hard. Your caring asshole behavior, while better than acting like a sheepish beta if pickup is your goal, will more often than not turn a potential lay away.

I’m not saying there’s never a time for anger. There is. There is a time for red hot passion and white hot rage. But your operational mode should be one of… say it with me… AMUSED MASTERY. Cool-as-fuckness. Imperturbability.

Nor am I saying you should be inconsiderate all the time. If an LTR is your goal, you can’t expect to be inconsiderate with your girlfriend or wife and not eventually string her out so badly that she jettisons you to fill the emotional void in her needy, feminine soul. Many a movie plotline has centered on the ignored wife of a distant alpha husband and the emotionally available sneaky fucker who ingratiates himself to her for the damning tryst.

Within the context of an LTR, consideration should be seasoned with inconsiderate aloofness, like a sprinkle of pepper on a nourishing bowl of soup. That is the zen way of poon.

But when dating and seeking the hookup, (to lead possibly to deepening love), aloof and sometimes even callous disregard will intrigue far more hot and high value women than not. And this is especially true for women living in the salad days of their fertility.

The Chateau Heartiste: Being the Right Kind of Asshole

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I’ll give you a quick glimpse at a minute in the life of a caring asshole, so that you can better appreciate why he fails with women while his equal but different douchehead cousin cleans up with the ladies.

Girl: “I don’t give my number to guys I just met.”

Asshole who cares too much: “Well, fuck you, nobody asked for it.”

Girl: “You just did.”

Asshole who cares too much: “I was kidding. I would never go out with a bitch like you.”

There’s no denying this guy is an asshole, and there’s no denying he would be a miserable failure with women (although, it has to be said, he’d still do better than the typical mincing betabot). So where did his assholery go wrong? For that, we need to contrast him with his uncaring asshole bro.

Girl: “I don’t give my number to guys I just met.”

Asshole who cares thiiiiiiis much: “My heart will go on.”

Girl: “Well, you did seem like you wanted it.”

Asshole who cares thiiiiiiis much: “That was before I got distracted by your sister.”

In every technical aspect, and according to every feminist by-law, this guy would qualify as an asshole. And, yet, there’s just something about him….

wait… phew… I channeled some woman’s hamster there for a minute. Strange experience.

The second guy knows about charm and delivery, and executes with purpose. That purpose being, to reflect, “Goddamn, I am a sexy beast. A stylish sniper of love. Excuse me whilst I make 1080p love to myself.”

He is as far from your typical niceguy as he is from your hothead asshole above who calls women bitches at the drop of a hat. But an asshole he is, and the right kind of asshole, the kind that women, the world over, will always and forevermore fall head over haunches for despite their squid-inking claims to the contrary.

[B-Nut]

Asshole game 1000% works

But let's keep in mind it doesn't work unless you already have some in with a girl

.......If you approach a girl in cold approach and begin with asshole game......It will often backfire.

In order to break repore she has to be seeking repore first.

I see too many guys online making gay comments poking fun of girls profile pictures trying to act all alpha or going up in a cold approach and negging from the start.

[General Mayhem]

Asshole game is one of the most misleading concepts in game.

Women don't necessarily like assholes, they like alpha males. The reason that some people mistake certain behavior as assholery is because the average man is so pussified that it seems that way by contrast. The fact that we even have to talk about why you shouldn't pedestalize women is a testament to how far the average man has fallen. The idea of ever putting a woman on a pedestal betrays any kind of sane logic. The only reason a man puts a woman on a pedestal is because he stops thinking rationally and starts thinking emotionally. A man who puts a woman on a pedestal betrays logic and the laws of nature.

Acting rationally will make you seem like an asshole to the majority of people.

If I fuck a girl a time or two and never call her again it isn't because I am an asshole. She will think I was an asshole. She will even tell all her friends that I was an asshole, but in reality my decision to cut her was because she had no value to me and there was no reason to call her again.

Take this quote from Roissy as an example:

"Uncaring assholes are assholes as a consequence of their indifference. It is the aloofness of the man she loves that drives women crazy with obsession, and that aloofness is manifest as asshole behavior. An uncaring asshole demonstrates clearly in his body language and tone of voice, not to mention his dearth of words, that he could take her or leave her."

The key is this, "aloofness is manifest as asshole behavior."

Indifference and aloofness are a result of rational thinking, not necessarily asshole behavior.

Why would you act any other way towards a woman who has not proved that she has any value to you? It makes zero sense to be anything but indifferent towards a girl who you know nothing about. You can be fun, but you should still be indifferent.

It seems to me like a lot of guys are trying to game girls by proving their value, when what they should be doing is evaluating a woman's value. Evaluating a woman's value is game. Raising an eyebrow and giving a girl a skeptic look is a chance for her to prove herself. Indifference is an invitation for her to show value.

In relationships the dynamic changes. You won't be as indifferent or aloof towards her because she obviously has some value if you chose to keep her around. This is where your knowledge of gender roles comes in handy.

I sit on my ass while my girl serves me breakfast and refills my coffee. When she leaves my roommate always comments on how much of an asshole I am, but I just tell him nah man that is the way it should be I am a man she should serve me.

I am not an asshole. I simply believe that I am above women. I believe that women exist to supplement my life, serve me, and make things easier.

If you believe anything else you have got it backwards. People who try to run it any other way wind up miserable. Nature has set out a pretty easy course for us to follow. All we really have to do is not fuck it up.

Cultivating rock solid beliefs and living true to them will cause your game to skyrocket.

[forever_beta]

You don't need to be an asshole (defined as being mean on purpose), you just need to be assertive and put yourself first. You need always have a natural mindset of abundance and confidence so that you never do anything reactionary or cowardly with her out of fear of loss. Basically the don't give a f*** attitude because you really just don't care. Everything requires social intelligence (experience) so that you can calibrate to the situation automatically. There's no point to just being a jerk on purpose unless its part of some kind of play you are having with her.

A woman is not the beautiful goddess on a pedestal, shes just a person with problems just like you.

[Lizard King]

This comment from Rivelino, of Madrid, is relevant to this discussion.

https://twitter.com/alpharivelino/status...7677113344