^^^ I kinda miss MGTOW Matt! He was swell!
"Feminism is a trade union for ugly women"- Peregrine
Quote: (01-20-2015 11:59 PM)Snowplow Wrote:
I used to go by MGTOW Matt on here. But I never gave up and threw in the towel. I was constantly improving myself. I still gamed girls. I did my own thing. I like what the idea is, but lately it is sounding more for quitters and wusses. Thankfully we had a chance to change our user names.
Quote: (01-20-2015 06:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:
Quote: (01-20-2015 06:43 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
I like the ideas of MGTOW, but every person I know who publicly identifies himself as one is a screaming sissy.
Yeah for "red pill" guys they sure are blind to the effectiveness of game.
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:05 AM)Deluge Wrote:
^Even in your late 30's (which isn't even that old), how do you go so long without sex?
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Quote: (01-20-2015 06:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:
Quote: (01-20-2015 06:43 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
I like the ideas of MGTOW, but every person I know who publicly identifies himself as one is a screaming sissy.
Yeah for "red pill" guys they sure are blind to the effectiveness of game.
Most MGTOWs vehemently deny Game or even if they don't then they say we serve the female empowerment by playing along their attraction cues.
It completely eludes them that Game is a just a way to communicate with women - not only sexually, but the principles work on your mother, grandmother or daughter just as well.
The MGTOW must treat women as men or just avoid them, which makes no sense at all.
No wonder the MGTOWs are favorites of AVfM and even the female anti-feminists have compassion and understanding them while only having scorn for us here.
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:09 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:05 AM)Deluge Wrote:
^Even in your late 30's (which isn't even that old), how do you go so long without sex?
Without picking up random women for sex, over a decade.
Pay for play, about 6 months or so. I would rather pay for professionals who I know I am paying to go away, and professionals I have already vetted and known for years.
It is too risky for my taste. Each guy can decide, but knowing how great things were in the 1990's and to today, I want nothing to do with pick up in the USA today.
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:15 AM)Deluge Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:09 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:05 AM)Deluge Wrote:
^Even in your late 30's (which isn't even that old), how do you go so long without sex?
Without picking up random women for sex, over a decade.
Pay for play, about 6 months or so. I would rather pay for professionals who I know I am paying to go away, and professionals I have already vetted and known for years.
It is too risky for my taste. Each guy can decide, but knowing how great things were in the 1990's and to today, I want nothing to do with pick up in the USA today.
Speaking of risk, P4P is illegal where you live right? Statistically speaking you're probably more likely to get busted by the cops for that, then have an unwanted child (if you wrap it up) or a false rape charge. Just something to think about.
Quote: (01-21-2015 06:14 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2015 04:01 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (01-20-2015 06:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:
Quote: (01-20-2015 06:43 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
I like the ideas of MGTOW, but every person I know who publicly identifies himself as one is a screaming sissy.
Yeah for "red pill" guys they sure are blind to the effectiveness of game.
Most MGTOWs vehemently deny Game or even if they don't then they say we serve the female empowerment by playing along their attraction cues.
It completely eludes them that Game is a just a way to communicate with women - not only sexually, but the principles work on your mother, grandmother or daughter just as well.
The MGTOW must treat women as men or just avoid them, which makes no sense at all.
No wonder the MGTOWs are favorites of AVfM and even the female anti-feminists have compassion and understanding them while only having scorn for us here.
Many of them are still hung up about equality. Sandman included. They want true equality which will never happen.
Quote: (01-20-2015 09:34 PM)Felix88 Wrote:
^I heard there is something called TFL and they are often got mixed up with MGTOW.
Personally I think MGTOW is kind of a oxymoron since a man have to cave his own path anyway whether he likes it or not.
Quote: (01-21-2015 01:16 AM)TonySandos Wrote:
I was with this sandman guy until he betrayed himself by using some choice words and phrases that gave away a lot about them as a group.
Firstly, he used the phrase "social proof". That's not a common terminology. We know he trawled pua websites to learn that phrase and implement it in his perception of events outside himself. I've noticed long ago that while these guys only provide YouTube videos at best and critique everything manosphere, they rarely provide anything if they ever have except for their views about their self-ordained movement.
He also claims to be apathetic about societal change, but then praises men's groups for their activities and plugs another "mgtow" who's active in a social movement. He refers to mgtow growing as well. He makes a lot of assertions without backing them with examples or statistical evidence.
"Mgtows aren't asking for anyone's permission to change things, we're simply going out and being the change that we want to see"
I guess they don't realize that the entire pua-sphere, or manosphere itself for that matter, does that also.
They're like a barnacle on a sea animal; able to exist as something only while relative to something else. There is something inherently un-masculine about quitting, lack of actions or imposing of will.
Their vital mistake was creating complexity in the definition of their group instead of keeping it open-ended and singular in phrasing. When I first heard of this acronym, I thought the purpose was something like this; "A mgtow is a man that goes his own way. He does what he wants and doesn't cave to any exterior demands".
They're in great denial to call their movement a phenomenon; something that happens, but the cause is up for question, when study of the causes is already under way. I rest with this that these men are the ones who are fighting to stay relevant.
Quote: (01-21-2015 10:21 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
And by watching a lot of these videos, he never had a problem getting into relationship and when he took the Red Pill, he was lethal with women since he already had everything else set up lifestyle wise, including lots of $$$. I think he pretty much gave up on women unless she's a NAWALT, something that he knows is almost impossible anywhere, but he could be balling in pussy and I do believe him on this point.
He knows game for sure! And he's not against the manosphere since he use Reality Kings as a source on some of his videos. He's associated to the bad apples of MGTOW like we are associated to the bad apples of PUA(Julien Blanc). Believe me he's legit and I'll rep him even if I'm not where he's at relationship wise.
I'm still on mode of wanting to fuck these Bad Bitches. I don't remember who has this as a sig but: If women have the right to throw their pussy around like Joe Montana, then I've got a right to be Jerry Rice to catch it
Quote: (01-21-2015 11:18 AM)Aurini Wrote:
Thanks for the linkage; don't forget Aaron Clarey - a lot of this dust-up happened because he dared to point out that some MGTOWs are simply losers who put on the label to justify their failures with women:
InfoWarrior's link to the No Ma'am site is the quintessential definition of MGTOW; it is an exceptionally harsh examination of female nature, sans the seductive desires present in Game analysis. It looks upon women from a masculine perspective, without displaying a single iota of interest in them. It's about the highest-dose Red Pill out there. It doesn't hate women - it's just completely indifferent to them.
MGTOW, then, is whatever you choose to do with yourself after coming to these frank realizations about the reality of women, and the state of law regarding marriage, affirmative action, and sexual harassment. Anything short of crawling back inside your mother's vagina should qualify.
Recently it's turned into a movement, however - despite No Ma'am explaining that you can't 'herd bulls'. MGTOW was supposed to be a philosophical perspective, not a collective group. Each man going their own way should go their own way. Jump on a motorcycle and ride.
By that definition, most of the men around here are MGTOW, but somehow it morphed into rejecting women entirely, and not just 'toxic femininity'. This strikes me as ridiculous. Cats are not good dogs, but that doesn't mean that I hate cats - it just means I don't expect them to guard my house. Furthermore, there's an extreme amount of sensitivity amongst some MGTOWs, who are up in arms fighting Aaron's assertion; they neither want to work politically (MRAs) nor better themselves for their own ends (Game), they just want to whine. If they were truly MGTOW they wouldn't be angry.
For the record, I met Paul Elam recently, and he seems to be playing a deeper game than the "Feminism for men" as some have described it. As I wrote recently, his goals and methodology are different than ours, but they (possibly) aren't opposed. "Feminism for men" would just give the state even more power - it would empower men against feminists, but it would leave everybody less powerful than they were 50 years ago. I don't think that's what he's doing.
Quote: (01-21-2015 09:46 PM)Deluge Wrote:
^^I think more RVF members are interested in getting married one day then you realize. Multiple senior members have left over the years for that very reason.