Quote: (01-13-2015 05:55 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

This bit of sudden, shocking white-knighting nastiness at the very end of what seems like a more or less civilized conversation is bracing and makes one realize what we're up against:

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[Angela]:
Whoa.
It's over!
[Kyle]: Yeah....
*Angela puts her head down on her keyboard*
[Kyle]: I wanna beat the shit out of that fuckin' guy.
*Angela puts her face in her hands*
[Angela]: That was two hours! Oh my god!
[Kyle]: I'm gonna stop recording now.
[Angela]: I'm gonna stop my recording too.

What an absolutely perfect end. One is Angela was complaining it was two hours. It was two hours for Roosh, too!

The other is Kyle's animosity toward Roosh. I like it that gays come out of the closet and don't marry women. More for me. If Kyle thinks that Roosh is bad for women, well, perfect for Kyle! Women will only realize how wonderful Kyle is in comparison! The more that cads like Roosh emerge from the woodwork, the better that guys like Kyle look!

But Kyle's hostility is not rational. Every man not secure in his position in the male hierarchy plots revenge on those he perceives to be at the top. Nerds want to take down frat boys. Seeing a man comfortable and confident with women, especially a woman they want for themselves, fills them with jealous rage. For two hours, he sat there and watched Angela, who he so desperately wants, comfortably chatting with a man known for his success with women ... ugh, you know how miserable and small he felt at the end? Of course he wanted to hurt Roosh.

Don't worry, he'll go home and jerk off looking at Angela's picture and everything will be just fine in the morning.

As has been previously said, kudos to her for letting him speak and for posting the complete interview.

While it's certainly better than interrupting or being a harpy, her nervous laugh at each statement with which she disagreed slowly became grating over the course of the two hours.

There is a particular problem most people have nowadays (of which I am also occasionally guilty) with the fact that it's OKAY to disagree with statements during the course of a conversation. It makes it very hard to consider/understand what your interlocutor is saying when your body stresses out so obviously at something that doesn't immediately reinforce your beliefs.

It's almost as if polite conversation is restricted to mindless nodding in unison, and anything beyond that is not only monstrous but produces spasms in your unfortunate victims... rather than essential to personal growth.

I was dying for Roosh to couch the short hair in terms like: "Cutting their hair short is taking the single most destructive action they can toward their femininity. What kind of signal does that send to guys?"

Because that's really what it is. Cutting your nails short or not wearing makeup or dresses or heels chips at it, cutting one's hair short is taking a hammer and smashing one's femininity and declaring contempt for it.

He was all over the homosexuality in Russia. Beautiful point on how the media moguls have an agenda and incentive to distort the truth. They're lies - you live there, there's just nothing she could say so she moved on.

But for the purposes of outreach and PR to liberal-leaning crowds, the stance on women voting I think has to be reconsidered, or at least worded differently. It's something I think incites a visceral rejection of, just everything male, when you flippantly say it's part of the problem. We have to put the kiddie gloves on for this one.

Seen the first half hour. I will keep watching, but so far I've noticed something that I don't think will change in the rest of the video: She is so sweet! Like too sweet for a feminist. ''Oh no no, I don't wanna upset you, stop me anytime you want''. Without the short hair I wouldn't believe she was a feminist. Is she faking or just exceptionally nice?

WB with long natural hair.

Roosh is calm and mild-mannered too as always. Who on earth would believe this is an interview between a feminist writer and a manosphere leader?

OK, I know I've been in the game long enough when I immediately can tell a guy what to do. Shave your head and let the beard grow to stubble length, including those fucking sideburns. Stand up straight and lift weights. Don't talk about punching someone, go out and get yourself punched. Even if no one actually does it, go through that adrenaline. Only smile at little kids and old people.

And don't wear your older brother's clothes. You look like Jesse Pinkman before things got rough.

Did we think this feminist was going to change her mind or sympathize with Roosh for even a second? I mean, as soon as the interview was over, she was dismissive of him, and within a millisecond a wild ginger orbiter appeared to affirm her WOW. SO WOW. feels.

I support Roosh in voicing his opinions wherever they may be, but in the future, I'd be more selective in the interviews that you take. This was less of a debate or argument of the ideas vs feminism and more of an expose on you that only really served to embolden her supporters silly beliefs against a manosphere boogie man.

I mean how does any person who can rub two brain cells together not understand that the etiology for societal collaspe is deeply rooted in the level of overall happiness of the men in that society. Whether the disenfranchisement of males is in a sexual or economic market, the more men that are left behind, the more unfavorable outcomes that the society can expect.

When men are happy, women are happy. When men are not happy, no one is happy.

Keep fighting the good fight Roosh, and thank you truly for helping men the world over find happiness and purpose in this extremely cynical world.

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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5554...script.pdf

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[Roosh]: But no girl does that. No girl does that. No girl does that. No girl, and I've been with a lot of girls, no girl says 'yes at this point in time I am ready to engage in sex'. No girl does that. Zero.
[Angela]: Well they might say-
[Roosh]: Do you do that?
[Angela]: I'm like 'yeah, let's fuckin do it.'
*Angela laughs heartily*
[Roosh]: I mean you have to be in a bubble that's very small if you think girls do that. No girl does that. And I've been everywhere. No girl says that.

As to what I've quoted as usual I couldn't agree more with you. A law professor said it quite well that there wouldn't be many kids in this world if the girl had to verbally agree to have sex. Mind you this was before the peak of the feminism.

There are a few exceptions though, I believe it depends on what game you run. It has happened to me twice that girls whom I've never banged before outright verbally agreed to sex. One of the situations was when I got fed up with her LMR so I just walked out of there. When I was in the hall taking my shoes on I heard from the bedroom 'Ok, we can have sex'.

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[Roosh]: If you're a girl, grow your hair out. There is nothing more beautiful than a woman with long, long hair. That's smooth and smells nice. I mean that just gets me every time. And yours is...a little short.

Quote: (01-13-2015 11:35 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5554...script.pdf

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[Roosh]: But no girl does that. No girl does that. No girl does that. No girl, and I've been with a lot of girls, no girl says 'yes at this point in time I am ready to engage in sex'. No girl does that. Zero.
[Angela]: Well they might say-
[Roosh]: Do you do that?
[Angela]: I'm like 'yeah, let's fuckin do it.'
*Angela laughs heartily*
[Roosh]: I mean you have to be in a bubble that's very small if you think girls do that. No girl does that. And I've been everywhere. No girl says that.

As to what I've quoted as usual I couldn't agree more with you. A law professor said it quite well that there wouldn't be many kids in this world if the girl had to verbally agree to have sex. Mind you this was before the peak of the feminism.

There are a few exceptions though, I believe it depends on what game you run. It has happened to me twice that girls whom I've never banged before outright verbally agreed to sex. One of the situations was when I got fed up with her LMR so I just walked out of there. When I was in the hall taking my shoes on I heard from the bedroom 'Ok, we can have sex'.

Girls don't like to ask for sex. They like to use roundabout ways to do it. In the cases where girls straight up asked for sex, one was when she was blathering about her ex husband and was tiring me out (I was only really interested in her tits as she was older than me and not that attractive), and noticed how bored I was. The other was a hippie that freaking attacked me at a dance club, shoved her tongue down my throat, and led me back to her place. Big titties got me both times.

But other than that, I've had to initiate with every single girl.

Quote: (01-13-2015 11:35 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5554...script.pdf

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[Roosh]: But no girl does that. No girl does that. No girl does that. No girl, and I've been with a lot of girls, no girl says 'yes at this point in time I am ready to engage in sex'. No girl does that. Zero.
[Angela]: Well they might say-
[Roosh]: Do you do that?
[Angela]: I'm like 'yeah, let's fuckin do it.'
*Angela laughs heartily*
[Roosh]: I mean you have to be in a bubble that's very small if you think girls do that. No girl does that. And I've been everywhere. No girl says that.

As to what I've quoted as usual I couldn't agree more with you. A law professor said it quite well that there wouldn't be many kids in this world if the girl had to verbally agree to have sex. Mind you this was before the peak of the feminism.

There are a few exceptions though, I believe it depends on what game you run. It has happened to me twice that girls whom I've never banged before outright verbally agreed to sex. One of the situations was when I got fed up with her LMR so I just walked out of there. When I was in the hall taking my shoes on I heard from the bedroom 'Ok, we can have sex'.

That's the exception that proves the rule.

It's the exception where a girl who was down for sex, still put up a show of resisting until the guy had given up and was literally on his way out the door.

I think few things could better demonstrate that fact that women are extremely resistant to admitting any desire to have sex and will always act like it's being put upon them.

I don't think this is evolutionary, though. I think it's cultural.

Quote: (01-13-2015 11:58 PM)Suits Wrote:  

I think few things could better demonstrate that fact that women are extremely resistant to admitting any desire to have sex and will always act like it's being put upon them.

I don't think this is evolutionary, though. I think it's cultural.

A reminder, the grant to do her entire Banged project totals $500.

http://rhizome.org/editorial/2014/sep/11...finalists/

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Votes are tallied, and we're pleased to announce the 20 finalists voted on by you to compete for five $500 Internet Art Microgrants. Now, our guest juror, Helsinki-based artist Kimmo Modig, will choose the awardees from your selections.

http://rhizome.org/editorial/2014/sep/16...-awardees/

How much does it cost to send an email to Roosh, set up a computer in an empty classroom, and skype for 2 hours?

As far as I know, this is the most detailed and comprehensive interview Roosh has ever done. It's also very well produced.

The "big screen" format has the (unintentional?) effect of magnifying Roosh's message, and literally "dwarfing" the image of the boilerplate feminist. The psychological effect of this on the viewer is significant.

Roosh hits all major points with deftness and humor, without appearing heavy-handed in the slightest way. All in all, a smashing victory.

Fuck she is hard to listen to. She laughs like a donkey drowning in a pond. And yes very quickly in you can see who is more seasoned at begin social and who is a academic weirdo who live in a bubble of her school, Starbucks, her friends lofts, and the 10 shitty bars and restaurants they rotate from each week.

Her writing is fair and she does not have the hashmarks out for Roosh. I expected her to talk in the tone that she writes but she is still vary grating and cold. I am only 10 mins in and I want to turn it off. I think I will read the transcript instead.

Also who sounds more worldly and smart? Roosh just has a B.Sc. while this woman likley has a paper trail of degrees and research credentials yet she talks like a teenager at times.

I remember always hearing from my Uncle who I trust very much that it is important to "never sound dumb when you talk"... He said it like this if I can remember: "You don't have to sound the smartest or the most eloquent but talk with stability and some sense in what you are saying. Even if it is complex they will be wise enough people present to pick apart what you are saying and extract some value, with the people to stupid to understand it will go over their heads but they will at least accept your stance since you presented it to them in a proper manner". If you sound stupid when you talk neither side will do the work to engage with what you are saying and will tune you out."

The only time she sounds stable is when she is reading of her page. She does warm up though as I skipped ahead to see if her tone improves and it does. She isn't a bad person and I can see genuine interest with her in the conversation and the topic but its just depressing when you realize there a million of women in America and Canada who are barley as half as pleasant as her....

That chick wants to fuck Roosh.

I sensed an overt willingness to submit to the hairy monster in the first 5 minutes. When she read that quote from BANG in the beginning she was imagining Roosh doing it to her. And at the end "if I grow my hair out I'll be sure to let you know." holy shit how that made the orbiter angry.

btw, WB

Roosh looks a lot like Jeffrey Dean Morgan



That girl was definitely into you, the beta at the end was so butt-hurt because she's never flirted with him like that, and you just destroyed her arguments gg

Quote: (01-13-2015 10:03 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Seen the first half hour. I will keep watching, but so far I've noticed something that I don't think will change in the rest of the video: She is so sweet! Like too sweet for a feminist. ''Oh no no, I don't wanna upset you, stop me anytime you want''. Without the short hair I wouldn't believe she was a feminist. Is she faking or just exceptionally nice?

WB with long natural hair.

Roosh is calm and mild-mannered too as always. Who on earth would believe this is an interview between a feminist writer and a manosphere leader?

I'm a few minutes in to the video and agree, she is very sweet indeed.

Also, Roosh has a cool vibe when he is talking to this woman. It's different to his normal videos/interviews, where he is on his own or with guys.

Enjoyed the interview. If Roosh needs a feminist 5.5 to help him lay some pipe that female would certainly be down. She seemed pleasant, actually, which was pretty strange and not what I was expecting.

One question I have for Roosh: are you sure you aren't emotionally invested in proving your beliefs to be true? I mean, I find that hard to believe. I know that I'd be upset if I found out what I had been writing about for 10+ years was actually wrong, and I'd certainly go to great lengths to prove I'm right. But if you actually don't have an emotional investment in manosphere beliefs, how did you strip emotion from the equation? Are you just generally not emotional? I know that I can get highly emotional at times and realize that this can hinder performance in many areas, and have been looking for ways to be more rational and not let my emotions cloud my thoughts.

Also, Angela linked to some interesting articles in the transcript, will you address those at some point? I think it's interesting to look at the science the 'other side' has produced, debunk it, and use it to the advantage of 'our side'.

+1 to Roosh for attempting to provide deeply insightful commentary not just on feminism but on how it all ties in with economics, politics, and society.

+1 to the chick for being flexible. Lord knows that in today's society, being flexible can mean going against some pretty hardwired social/media conditioning that would have had most feminazis foaming at the mouths in rage.

-500000 to Kyle, you pathetic sad sac of a man.

As Roosh outlined the traits of masculinity, this loser looked inward, realized he had none of these qualities, and became offended.

Then, he sought validation from the feminist girl by offering to fight Roosh, presumably on her behalf.

Shitstains like Kyle disgust me a million times more than any female ever will. The things some guys will do just to get a girl to pay attention to them...

You guys are giving this chick way too much credit.

Her "art project" (that she received a grant for) is a Skype interview displayed on a projector screen.

Roosh does 95% of the talking and "Kyle" handles the video, yet notice she's the one who repeatedly refers to herself as an "artist" in both the interview and the video's title.

Her two posts on that site are:

- "Monopoly on Logic: A Feminist Artist Interviews the Internet's Most Infamous Misogynist"
- "How an Artist's Pursuit of Women Banged by the Author of Bang Led to an Interview With the Man Himself"

Not only does she fancy herself an "artist" for writing out some questions in a spiral notebook and fake laughing into a microphone, she tries to make research and an interview of someone else about her, when it's obviously about the subject. It'd be like me titling blog posts "A Masculine Writer's Examination of the Best Brand of Microwave".

It's almost comical in its level of narcissism, especially when her "art" makes Mattress Girl and her "performance art thesis" look like fucking Leonardo DaVinci. Out of curiosity, I googled Angela to find out more about her "work". From her Wiki page ():

"Angela Washko's interdisciplinary practice of performance, video, and installation investigates public opinion regarding proper etiquette, appropriate lifestyle choices, limited gender designations."

Some of her notable "pieces" are:

- "Washko has been creating performances inside the online video game World of Warcraft since 2012 in which she initiates discussions about feminism within the gameplay."
- "She is the first person to ever sell a Vine (software) video, which was bought by Dutch art advisor, curator and collector Myriam Vanneschi for $200 at the Moving Image Art Fair."

Here is the video itself, "Tits on Tits on Ikea". I'll sum it up for those of you who don't want to waste the 7 seconds: It's a woman in a coonskin hat sitting on a couch with a laptop.

In other words, her "art" is nagging guys who say cunt while playing online video games and recording a laptop screen with her smartphone. Oh, and having a Skype conversation with someone, except on a really big screen.

I thought it was a decent interview. I was expecting something a lot more hostile.

I thought Roosh handled it pretty well. I think there were only two ways he could have handled it better. The first was that there was a section where, after he spoke, she tried to respond and he repeatedly interrupted her (and she even pointed it out). That would probably look bad to people on the fence. The other part, which was perhaps just phrased badly, was when he said he's seen it all, done it all, read it all. Again, I think that wording would detract from the actual point he was making for those on the fence.

The main point of departure between them (and I think this can be more broadly applied to others in society) is that Roosh seems to live in a world of "is" and Angela seems to live in a world of "ought". A lot of the time, she couldn't seem to wrap her head around the idea that the world (especially outside the US) is as it actually is, rather than how she thinks it ought to be. In particular, I am thinking about the section at the fifty six minute mark where she asked him for his solutions for creating a perfect society and he said he doesn't have any solutions and that anything anyone would do would likely create unintended consequences. Liberals seem to have real trouble understanding this idea at a really fundamental level. I thought a lot of the interview hinged on this basic difference in viewing the world.

Likewise, I found their discussion of nature vs nurture to be interesting because Angela didn't seem to be able to accept the proposition that both p and ~p cannot simultaneously be true.

Quote: (01-14-2015 04:52 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

You guys are giving this chick way too much credit.

Her "art project" (that she received a grant for) is a Skype interview displayed on a projector screen.

Roosh does 95% of the talking and "Kyle" handles the video, yet notice she's the one who repeatedly refers to herself as an "artist" in both the interview and the video's title.

Her two posts on that site are:

- "Monopoly on Logic: A Feminist Artist Interviews the Internet's Most Infamous Misogynist"
- "How an Artist's Pursuit of Women Banged by the Author of Bang Led to an Interview With the Man Himself"

Not only does she fancy herself an "artist" for writing out some questions in a spiral notebook and fake laughing into a microphone, she tries to make research and an interview of someone else about her, when it's obviously about the subject. It'd be like me titling blog posts "A Masculine Writer's Examination of the Best Brand of Microwave".

It's almost comical in its level of narcissism, especially when her "art" makes Mattress Girl and her "performance art thesis" look like fucking Leonardo DaVinci. Out of curiosity, I googled Angela to find out more about her "work". From her Wiki page ():

"Angela Washko's interdisciplinary practice of performance, video, and installation investigates public opinion regarding proper etiquette, appropriate lifestyle choices, limited gender designations."

Some of her notable "pieces" are:

- "Washko has been creating performances inside the online video game World of Warcraft since 2012 in which she initiates discussions about feminism within the gameplay."
- "She is the first person to ever sell a Vine (software) video, which was bought by Dutch art advisor, curator and collector Myriam Vanneschi for $200 at the Moving Image Art Fair."

Here is the video itself, "Tits on Tits on Ikea". I'll sum it up for those of you who don't want to waste the 7 seconds: It's a woman in a coonskin hat sitting on a couch with a laptop.

In other words, her "art" is nagging guys who say cunt while playing online video games and recording a laptop screen with her smartphone. Oh, and having a Skype conversation with someone, except on a really big screen.

Regardless, she was still a good sportsman about the interview and the debate topics. She didn't ask anything cunty or underhanded, she didn't get overly emotional and resort to victimhood, she didn't call Roosh a woman-hating rapist asshole, and she actually voiced her frustration and puzzlement that that has been the only criticism of Roosh that fellow feminists have had to offer so far. That is commendable conduct, even if the bar is set pretty low here for feminists, and I don't think she did anything in the interview or her commentary after the fact to deserve being chastised.

I actually don't know that I've ever seen an exchange like this before... Real life or online. I would be extremely interested to see things like this happen again. Actual civil discourse between manosphere figureheads and feminist/progressive types. Why not?

The shrieking outragemongering of progressivism has lead to massive communication breakdown in politics and society, so I have to ask, why act shitty to maybe the first person to cross the line an initiate interesting conversation?

[Angela]: Oh good. How are you? What does your shirt say?
[Roosh]: Brazil.
[Angela]: Oh cool. Just curious.
[Roosh]: I lived there for 6 months...but this was back in 2008. A lot of time has passed

Is it me, or is it a perfect case of an "elderly opener" and unconscious gaming?

Roosh is an eloquent, thoughtful, intelligent, charismatic motherfucker That was two hours well spent.