Quote: (12-02-2014 06:19 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I don't do hard sells. I want a woman to be a contributing partner when it comes to sex. I want her to desire it almost as much as I do. Overcoming LMR is no fun for me. A ONS/FB is about getting SEX from a girl. A LTR is about getting LOVE from a girl. Sex is usually included in the love but love is not usually included in ONS sex. My objective with women is always to be loved and desired. The sex is always secondary and some times a chore.

There is a good number of rather "good-girl" high value young women, who simply are incredibly hard to pull for ONS. You essentially have to invest more to get them. The statistical data regarding notch-count of HB9s in their prime back this up. The 6s and 7s have higher notch-counts than them, as the high value girls are more often in relationships - whether in a harem of a Super High Value Man or in a committed one is irrelevant - someone had to invest more in them.

Here is what I have seen out there and I have met a lot of guys from this forum and other guys I have known. I have yet to meet any guy that pulls high quality girls on a regular basis. Most of them have never even had a relationship with one of them. I know some guys that have easily banged over 200 girls and I would not have a relationship with any of the ones I have seen. Like everything in life real quality is hard to come by.

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My objective with women is always to be loved and desired. The sex is always secondary and some times a chore.

I feel sorry for those who follow your advice because this is pretty obvious that you have some childhood parental issues that are leaking into your game. You also have a strong fear of rejection. I've met guys like this. Nothing wrong with them, but their "I want to be desired" game stems from co-dependency and the fear of rejection.

It was also fun to reading you mischaracterize my game in a way to prove your 10 date bang plan or whatever, but you have been posting game denialism garbage for years now.

Roosh is spot on.
Real men must not beg women for attention, love or sex.
It's the women's responsibility to be 'desired and loved' by MEN, and science says that as well.
It's women who must persevere for a man to notice them.

Quote: (12-01-2014 08:36 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The fundamental difference between me and lot of guys is my objective. My objective with women are multiple LTR. If you are building something that you want to last you are going to go about it very differently than something you only need to last for one night. If you only want to have sex with a girl you actually want to convey to her that you DON'T want a relationship. If you objective is a relationship then you have to do the opposite: convey to her that you are not only interested in sex.

Do you mean multiple LTR at once (i.e. mini relationships) , or in a sequence? In my experience, I agree somewhat in that most girls I've had a LTR with wouldn't go all the way on the 1st date, but always would by the 2nd or 3rd. Always.

I've mostly had a string of LTR, whereby when one ended I'd step up my game, sleep with several girls, and eventually make on my girlfriend. At 29, and four 'serious' relationships under my belt, its over. No regrets necessarily, it just took me a while to realise that's not what I want, and don't want to be what they want.

Quote: (12-02-2014 06:32 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Here is what I have seen out there and I have met a lot of guys from this forum and other guys I have known. I have yet to meet any guy that pulls high quality girls on a regular basis. Most of them have never even had a relationship with one of them. I know some guys that have easily banged over 200 girls and I would not have a relationship with any of the ones I have seen. Like everything in life real quality is hard to come by.

Frankly Nomad - there are guys here on the forum, who have made banging High Value girls - models their speciality - both of them in NY.

Don't remember the first one - he quite vividly explained that fashion models are women like everyone else - sometimes they are in the city for a short time, hardly ever does it move towards a relationship. The other guy is Distantlight with his High End NYC nightlife Game. He even posts videos online from time to time. Most of his encounters with high-level girls are short-term.

While it is true, that establishing a connection with a girl is great, the reality is that most men can do this easily. Establishing comfort, loving etc. is what men can do blindfolded - even reclusive Omega Males are able to build a loving LTR from the sensitive Beta-man perspective.

Unless you are a broken psychopath or have other psychological problems, over 95% of men need Game knowledge and have to be more Alpha. The hurdle that any relationship goes through is via sex with a woman. Before sex this is all bullshit and a series of shit-tests. After sex (thus having proven that you are attractive to her) girls start opening up and the bullshit stops (for a while). In order to get sex, you learn Game.

Also - in order to be successfully in a LTR with a girl you let Game become a part of your personality. That is why even Christian married men learn Game from PUAs - Dalrock etc.

But initially you start out via Game and the simple process of getting in her panties - it may be a ONS or it may be your future wife. The steps of Gaming and fucking the girl are very similar - regardless what happens with her.

Quote: (12-02-2014 10:57 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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My objective with women is always to be loved and desired. The sex is always secondary and some times a chore.

I feel sorry for those who follow your advice because this is pretty obvious that you have some childhood parental issues that are leaking into your game. You also have a strong fear of rejection. I've met guys like this. Nothing wrong with them, but their "I want to be desired" game stems from co-dependency and the fear of rejection.

It was also fun to reading you mischaracterize my game in a way to prove your 10 date bang plan or whatever, but you have been posting game denialism garbage for years now.

Now now, there isn't anything wrong with wanting to be desired by a woman. I'd go so far as to say the most satisfying sex i've ever had was with women who did in fact "want" me. They're working harder to please me which equates to more enjoyable sex.

It's one thing to be considered a boytoy by a woman and to get the bang. It's another thing to be worshipped by her. You are her heaven and she will do anything to satisfy you.

That's addictive stuff right there. The women who pull this off tend to get me to stick around. Call it "girl game"

All this is overly complicated. Using what I have observed from the city I live in, this is how ONS vs LTR game works:

How To Get A ONS at Night
- If you're an 8/10 in looks or more, approach 50 girls and find the drunk horny one who's down.
- If you're 5-7/10 in looks, approach 200 girls and find the drunk horny ugly fat and/or old one who's down.
- If you're 4/10 in looks or lower, approach 500 girls and find the drunk horny ugly fat and/or old one who's down. Or better yet, don't bother.

How To Get A LTR
- Real Life: Invest 2-3 years in a social circle. Bide your time like Jim Halpert. Wait for a rigidly looks-matched girl (i.e. you look like you could be her brother) to "pick" you.
- Online: Message 500-1000 girls. If you're lucky, go on a couple dates with a girl 2 points lower than you and make it serious..

Nomad77 has been banned for three reasons:

-General game denialism
-Purposefully misconstruing my work on multiple occasions to prove his own beta provider agenda
-Publicly agitating after getting a one week warning and sending a PM to me that was an implied threat

I agree with the fact that constantly fighting through resistance does get boring. After banging 12 girls in 4 weeks this summer, many of them ONS's, I felt like I just wanted to chill and get myself a few mini LTR's. What has been happening is that I have no problem going for a date or two with the girl, and most of the times they will put up absolutely no resistance for a bang at date 3.

However, there's the other side of the coin too. You might end up wasting a ton of your time with this technique, as many girls might feel comfortable kissing you, but will NEVER even think about banging you, for whatever reason it might be. I had a girl who I went on a date with, later on she texted me the same night if I wanted to join her and her friend to a club. Made out and danced at the club. Then, we went to a cinema date together, made out a bit. She told me her brother was waiting at home, so she couldn't stay over. Then, went on another evening date that was going really well and she abruptedly has to leave. I suggest a spa evening and she tells me she can come, but needs to take a bus to "visit a friend" saturday at 8am, so she can't stay long... from what I think, this girl is enjoying my attention and the dates, but is getting banged by someone else. This would have never happened if I had gone for the same night lay and more or less, pressured her into it.

Also, many times, "talking" a girl into banging you has no negative consequences, if you have a connection with her and you just do the typical cute 15 minute after-sex talk with her on your chest, and suggest some follow up dates. Only if you play it in an extremely asshole way, will she think of you as an asshole and warn her friends of your player ass.

So, as always, there's always 2 sides of the story.

Quote: (12-04-2014 09:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Nomad77 has been banned for three reasons:

-General game denialism
-Purposefully misconstruing my work on multiple occasions to prove his own beta provider agenda
-Publicly agitating after getting a one week warning and sending a PM to me that was an implied threat

And he bullshits. While I enjoyed a lot of his posts, after reporting he banged a girl sitting next to him on a plane and bangs massage therapists on the regular, I found it too hard to believe (and I've met him in Miami).

I'd rather bang the 8/9 who "only" considers me a boytoy than a 7 or below who worships and "desires" me to the end of the earth.

The hotter the girl, the hotter the sex is to me.

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Quote: (12-02-2014 10:57 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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My objective with women is always to be loved and desired. The sex is always secondary and some times a chore.

I feel sorry for those who follow your advice because this is pretty obvious that you have some childhood parental issues that are leaking into your game. You also have a strong fear of rejection. I've met guys like this. Nothing wrong with them, but their "I want to be desired" game stems from co-dependency and the fear of rejection.

It was also fun to reading you mischaracterize my game in a way to prove your 10 date bang plan or whatever, but you have been posting game denialism garbage for years now.

Now now, there isn't anything wrong with wanting to be desired by a woman. I'd go so far as to say the most satisfying sex i've ever had was with women who did in fact "want" me. They're working harder to please me which equates to more enjoyable sex.

It's one thing to be considered a boytoy by a woman and to get the bang. It's another thing to be worshipped by her. You are her heaven and she will do anything to satisfy you.

That's addictive stuff right there. The women who pull this off tend to get me to stick around. Call it "girl game"

I hung out with Nomad a lot and from my observation, all the sexual conquests he stated were possible. Miami is full of sluts and depraved souls so as long as you keep going out you can hit.
My thing in Miami is that I had bad logistics (stayed in a Spanish area) and I had no vehicle and no decent job. Without an adequately located spot OR a whip, it's very difficult. Plus I was still trying to rid myself of the beta odour that I picked up in Toronto.
If I had lived in Broward county, my story may have been different.
I went out almost every weekend with Nomad and had incidents where if I had my own whip, I could have closed.
1) I met a cute German brunette who had a Ghanaian boyfriend back in Germany. I beckoned her over and was close dancing with her as she said "You African men are all the same". She offered zero resistance to me feeling her up. Her friend was being taken care of by a black American dude relocated from Ohio. They planned to chill out on the beach and watch the sun come up. I wanted to try and fcuk her but I had work in 2 hours and tragically had to bail.
2) Nomad and I attended a Jamaican club. A blonde lizard from Boston came over and I started close dancing with her. She told me to stop those 'bitches' from looking at her. I saw no one at all. After dealing with her bi-polarism for a few songs, I let her go to hunt for black. Nomad plugged in and worked her for the evening.
3) Nomad and I went to South Beach. I met up with one of my <insert family member> 'a friends just strolling the strip and we met a set of pinays from Montreal. Cut a long story short, the lizards suggested skinny dipping and one of the guys fcuked her in the salty ocean. I kissed her friend (21 years old) but declined to skinny dip as I was dressed very smartly and wasn't feeling adventurous.
4) I was out hollaring at lizards on the strip one night with Nomad and a Jamerican lizard from Philly stopped and said I was cute. I collected her digits but because I stayed 40 mins from south beach, I couldn't really re-coordinate and she left for Philly a few days later.
My point in illustration is to say that anything can happen in Miami due to tropical temperature, general depravity and the huge volume of tourists out for a weekend (or week of lust). That addresses the likelihood of Nomad fcuking on planes and in salons.
Regarding his game deniability, I can't really say. All I do know is, the fact that he went to an extremely hood club with me and was opening showed a lot of cajones in my view.

Quote: (12-02-2014 06:32 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Here is what I have seen out there and I have met a lot of guys from this forum and other guys I have known. I have yet to meet any guy that pulls high quality girls on a regular basis. Most of them have never even had a relationship with one of them. I know some guys that have easily banged over 200 girls and I would not have a relationship with any of the ones I have seen. Like everything in life real quality is hard to come by.

Actually I'd say almost all the guys I've met on the forum mostly end up chasing 8+ types bc they have no problem getting with at least somewhat "high quality" 7s (this is in EE though) so overseas at least the above is not true (but there are of course a lot better women on the whole in EE, SA and Asia). Sure quality is hard to come by (at least in America and the Anglosphere) but that's why we game. Otherwise I'd just sit in my basement eating Cheetos, playing fantasy football & video games and getting with the occasional fatty I met online I guess.

Anyway, RIP Nomad. Roosh gave some very specific reasons for the ban and too bad it had to end like this - implied threats are not cool especially given all the garbage we have to deal with coming from the Feminists and SJWs.

Quote: (12-04-2014 11:42 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  

And he bullshits. While I enjoyed a lot of his posts, after reporting he banged a girl sitting next to him on a plane and bangs massage therapists on the regular, I found it too hard to believe (and I've met him in Miami).

I hinted at this in both his threads. But didn't want to directly call him out.
Both those threads were highly hypothetical. Some stories that are too good to be true...are just that.

Quote: (12-04-2014 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I hung out with Nomad a lot and from my observation, all the sexual conquests he stated were possible. Miami is full of sluts and depraved souls so as long as you keep going out you can hit.
My thing in Miami is that I had bad logistics (stayed in a Spanish area) and I had no vehicle and no decent job. Without an adequately located spot OR a whip, it's very difficult. Plus I was still trying to rid myself of the beta odour that I picked up in Toronto.
If I had lived in Broward county, my story may have been different.
I went out almost every weekend with Nomad and had incidents where if I had my own whip, I could have closed.
1) I met a cute German brunette who had a Ghanaian boyfriend back in Germany. I beckoned her over and was close dancing with her as she said "You African men are all the same". She offered zero resistance to me feeling her up. Her friend was being taken care of by a black American dude relocated from Ohio. They planned to chill out on the beach and watch the sun come up. I wanted to try and fcuk her but I had work in 2 hours and tragically had to bail.
2) Nomad and I attended a Jamaican club. A blonde lizard from Boston came over and I started close dancing with her. She told me to stop those 'bitches' from looking at her. I saw no one at all. After dealing with her bi-polarism for a few songs, I let her go to hunt for black. Nomad plugged in and worked her for the evening.
3) Nomad and I went to South Beach. I met up with one of my <insert family member> 'a friends just strolling the strip and we met a set of pinays from Montreal. Cut a long story short, the lizards suggested skinny dipping and one of the guys fcuked her in the salty ocean. I kissed her friend (21 years old) but declined to skinny dip as I was dressed very smartly and wasn't feeling adventurous.
4) I was out hollaring at lizards on the strip one night with Nomad and a Jamerican lizard from Philly stopped and said I was cute. I collected her digits but because I stayed 40 mins from south beach, I couldn't really re-coordinate and she left for Philly a few days later.
My point in illustration is to say that anything can happen in Miami due to tropical temperature, general depravity and the huge volume of tourists out for a weekend (or week of lust). That addresses the likelihood of Nomad fcuking on planes and in salons.
Regarding his game deniability, I can't really say. All I do know is, the fact that he went to an extremely hood club with me and was opening showed a lot of cajones in my view.

Nomad77 was black?

Quote: (12-04-2014 08:16 PM)civpro Wrote:  

Nomad77 was black?

That wasn't obvious?

WIA

Quote: (12-04-2014 08:16 PM)civpro Wrote:  

Nomad77 was black?

No, he wasn't black.

Quote: (12-04-2014 09:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Nomad77 has been banned for three reasons:

-General game denialism
-Purposefully misconstruing my work on multiple occasions to prove his own beta provider agenda
-Publicly agitating after getting a one week warning and sending a PM to me that was an implied threat

While I understand why Nomad has been banned, I still don't see why guys like Goldmund are kicked out.

Even if they did something wrong, a temporary ban should have sufficed.

I'm so happy this nomad guy was banned. I was reading his posts in disbelief that anyone on this forum could think like that, had he even read Bang?? And that some people were agreeing too

I've had a bunch of ONS, fuckbuddies, mini-relationships, and monogamous LTRs that lasted 2, even 3 years.

They all started with the same game. In fact, I banged two LTRs on the first date.

Putting a different game on for a girl you think you want a LTR with means you are putting the girl on a pedastal. Don't leak bad game.

Clint, this is a very useful piece of info.

Regarding the banning of Nomad, I notice people emerge to say their piece after the banning. My suggestion would be this:

I would like if we had a sandbox thread where we have free rein to chew on some members without it leaking outside into our regular discussions of game, making money and travel. Any 'beef' leaked from the sandbox should result in a week's ban. That way, we can work out all this weird passive-aggressive energy repressed under many fingertips. That's how men used to solve things in the past by being direct not coming in from the side of the neck. I point no fingers.

Quote: (12-05-2014 02:58 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've had a bunch of ONS, fuckbuddies, mini-relationships, and monogamous LTRs that lasted 2, even 3 years.

They all started with the same game. In fact, I banged two LTRs on the first date.

Putting a different game on for a girl you think you want a LTR with means you are putting the girl on a pedastal. Don't leak bad game.

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My friend fucked his wife 1 hour after meeting her at a college party. Does not mean jack shit. She had a notch-count of 5 before him and he was her last as of now. 15 years later still married and happy with 3 children.

Does not matter jack-shit. If a man (believing she is a slut) or a woman (feeling ashamed for being a fast slut) think you have been going too fast and distance yourself from each other after a ONS, then you were not meant to be even fuckbuddies. No reason to fret about it - men are supposed to make the push every time.

@Moma - Nomad PMed me after his first 7-day ban. Accusing Roosh or even threatening him in private after that is just stupid.

This is not a democracy - and rightly so, or it would be flooded and controlled by SJWs within a week. Sometimes we may differ with Roosh on some decisions, but his reasons were well-founded to him. And frankly if someone pisses you off sufficiently on your own forum, then that is reason enough in my opinion.

If you care too much about getting banned from an internet forum, then it was too important and unhealthy for you anyway.

Isn't the only way to reliably start a relationship of any kind with modern women, is to fuck her first and fuck her well?

My main girl is devout Catholic and was (apparently) a virgin, I ONS her. I gave her shit all the fucking time whenever she told me she was a virgin but she swore it up and down, but now after 6 months in a LTR she is indeed girl friend material. Same with all the other girls. I've NEVER had anything advance further with a girl I did not fuck. Shit I don't even know how you guys pull off 2nd dates 3rd dates.

I think the difference actually comes in after you fuck the girl. And, maybe not coincidentally, every time I decide that "she's girlfriend material" after the first bang, the girl soon loses interest. It's the girls that you pump and think nothing of that actually MIGHT wanna come around.

That said, my best childhood friend in Vietnam is quite a hottie and she just married her highschool sweetheart. Well maybe that shit works in Vietnam. But she did cheat on her fiancé once...

I have been perfecting my ONS stand game for years now. Iv gotten it to a point that im confident in any venue setting if there is a girl that is open for a ONS, I will find her and out game other guys.

Relationship game in my opinion is alot harder, and takes alot more discipline and experience. Simply because emotions can get involved. When emotions get involved even to the slightest degree you are setting yourself up for a slip up. Yet I think every player should get relationship experience, without it your game cant be complete. Understanding relationship game is how you truly get women to chase you, and when that happens, theres nothing more rewarding than having brods doing anything they can to get to you.