Exactly.
I met swedish guys and girls while travelling. They said other people kept talking about blondes people in Sweden (since it was in U.S, I say majority of people they met were Aussies, Europeans) They were not blondes nor white so they said 'not everyone is blonde in Sweden!

So even other White people have the same image about northern Europeans.



This is not related to the story. This very good looking persian type guy from Sweden was upset about this hot brazilian girl banging a guy from germany. He was taller and a lot more muscular. this german guy was blonde, kind of short and skinny but he had that surfer boy type vibe.
When he said 'I am better looking than him', I told him how those south americans worship those 'kinds'. he didn't want to listen though.

Quote: (11-18-2014 11:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2014 11:01 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

That's the most absurd thing in this thread Sebastian!

I think he's right 100%. And let's face, many brown guys(south Asian) love blondes. Now if I told a brown guy I know this hot Swedish girl to set you up with, he's probably thinking he's going to get a blonde girl. Now suppose the girl was instead a Nigerian or Pakistani descent chic whose parents immigrated there. Would that still fulfill their image of a Swedish girl? They'd probably be like, nah, give me a real Swedish chic.

Same shit.

To the Indian guys:

1) I love you, I've never had more loyal friends than the Indian guys that I know.

2) Who cares if a girl will reject you simply because you're Indian. If it happens don't let this get to you because in her home country there will be women who would die for the chance to be with you. Seriously, think about it; you know its fucking true.

^Can't take credit for #2 because Kai taught me that, although he made it sound nice and sophisticated whereas the way I put isn't as clean but you get the overall message.

3) let me know if any of your sisters look like this

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Quote: (11-18-2014 10:38 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

It's like this Asian family immigrated to U.S. This kid was born and lived here his whole life. Can he brag about how Americans put a guy on the moon blah blah?

I think it's fine as long as you acknowledge people you were born in England and your parents are from India when asked.

I met couple indian girls and was curious about their race. (could be persian, arab or even latina) So I can talk about certain things depending on their race.
They just kept saying 'I am Australian or I am British'

What Sebastian is saying is very politically incorrect but it's true for the most part. Most people in the world treat ethnic/race identity and blood nationality as one because it makes the most sense. Multiculturalism has tried to mix in various races in with various nationalities. I believe it to be a failed social experiment. The vast majority of people would be happier if not better off amongst their own.

You can be "assimilated" in a superficial sense into a foreign nation by being born and raised there but the reality is it's hard to be part of that nation's history and identity. It takes centuries of contribution and integration to become part of that milieu. Even with african-americans it took centuries to be considered American mostly due to circumstance.

It's certainly easier for people with european ancestry in America because people intermix quickly with more established whites. For asians and newer immigrants it's very difficult if not impossible because the cultural/racial distance is just too strong. Maybe a few hundred years from now it will be more like Brazil or something.

People get butt hurt or insecure about this a lot and I get it when someone says _insert race_ isn't a "real" American or Brit. Most people aren't trying to be offensive about it they simply don't get the modern concept of multiculturalism. For non western people it's an utterly alien concept.

I believe trying to adopt into a foreign culture that is not part of your true ethnic origin is a soul sucking process. It's better to come to terms with your own identity and build yourself up as an individual first and foremost.

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:41 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I believe trying to adopt into a foreign culture that is not part of your true ethnic origin is a soul sucking process. It's better to come to terms with your own identity and build yourself up as an individual first and foremost.

I don't see how that applies if you grew up in a certain culture, I'm far more comfortable with Western culture and forms of thinking than Indian culture. Maybe it does if you're a very recent immigrant. Me trying to adapt back to Indian cultural norms would be far more soul sucking.

The original point was that saying that you're from America or another first world country is far more beneficial than just saying you're from India. The former is a DHV in most countries of the world, and immediately sets you apart culturally. Even if you don't fit the stereotypical image of the American, you'll still do better over saying you're straight from India. Usually its better to say that my parents are from India, and that I was raised in the West. Quite frankly, FOB Indian guys have a horrible reputation, so it's very important to avoid being associated with that.

I know in some parts of the world, nationality and race are interlinked. In nations like America this doesn't apply. These are nations of immigrants from many parts of the world, and many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants describe themselves as American while still maintaining a different racial identity(i.e Korean Americans or African Americans).

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:58 AM)Saladin Wrote:  

I don't see how that applies if you grew up in a certain culture, I'm far more comfortable with Western culture and forms of thinking than Indian culture. Maybe it does if you're a very recent immigrant. Me trying to adapt back to Indian cultural norms would be far more soul sucking.

As an individual you can come to terms with your identity and what you are comfortable with but identity is much greater than just the individual. It's the community, the nation, the culture.. If you're born in the west do the majority consider you as one of theirs? Let's be honest with that perception. The uncomfortable truth would probably be, no.

Would the people in the foreign country you're born in as an immigrant consider you as a brother or countryman in the gravest of times? It's doubtful.

New world multicultural countries like America, Canada, Australia, etc.. have never truly been tested in this regard. Look at America, even in WW2 the country didn't hesitate to throw Japanese-americans into camps when the going got tough.

Multiculturalism only superficially appears to work when things are relatively prosperous but when things get tough it's another story. Just keep in mind that Jews were able to live side by side as a relatively accepted different culture in their host nations (like Poland) for centuries until things got tough.

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I know in some parts of the world, nationality and race are interlinked. In nations like America this doesn't apply. These are nations of immigrants from many parts of the world, and many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants describe themselves as American while still maintaining a different racial identity(i.e Korean Americans or African Americans).

I believe most people DO link nationality and race even in America they just don't say it outright for fear of being called racist.

In my experience and I have alluded to this in another thread, this FOB no game having Indian concept seems to exist only in North America. I grew up in London, England and EVERYONE who was born in England sheds that the stereotypical behaviour of their parent country. Even those who were born abroad but arrived at the age of 12 or so, have pretty much shed all wack behaviour.

I know Pakistani guys, Indian guys from England with as much as game, swagger and confidence as black guys with Jamaican, Nigerian and any other African or Caribbean background. Lizards viewed all as such and guys would eat pretty equally.

I know an Indian guy who grew up in Tooting Bec, London and had close black friends of Jamaican/Nigerian/Ghanaian etc heritage. He used to game white lizards HARD and fcuk them like they were going out of business.

I mention the fact that he had close black friends to indicate that London is a melting pot and all these struggles due to race are a foreign notion to me.

It's only in North America (Toronto in particular) where I was FORCED to re-align with my own parent roots.

I don't find Americans in the city I am in to be that judgemental per se. They are pretty open to new cultures, it's only naivety/ignorance that might lead some to make stereotypical assessments about different backgrounds. But in their hearts, I see a lot being open to being correctly informed.

Quote: (11-19-2014 02:13 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:58 AM)Saladin Wrote:  

I don't see how that applies if you grew up in a certain culture, I'm far more comfortable with Western culture and forms of thinking than Indian culture. Maybe it does if you're a very recent immigrant. Me trying to adapt back to Indian cultural norms would be far more soul sucking.

As an individual you can come to terms with your identity and what you are comfortable with but identity is much greater than just the individual. It's the community, the nation, the culture.. If you're born in the west do the majority consider you as one of theirs? Let's be honest with that perception. The uncomfortable truth would probably be, no.

Would the people in the foreign country you're born in as an immigrant consider you as a brother or countryman in the gravest of times? It's doubtful.

New world multicultural countries like America, Canada, Australia, etc.. have never truly been tested in this regard. Look at America, even in WW2 the country didn't hesitate to throw Japanese-americans into camps when the going got tough.

Multiculturalism only superficially appears to work when things are relatively prosperous but when things get tough it's another story. Just keep in mind that Jews were able to live side by side as a relatively accepted different culture in their host nations (like Poland) for centuries until things got tough.

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I know in some parts of the world, nationality and race are interlinked. In nations like America this doesn't apply. These are nations of immigrants from many parts of the world, and many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants describe themselves as American while still maintaining a different racial identity(i.e Korean Americans or African Americans).

I believe most people DO link nationality and race even in America they just don't say it outright for fear of being called racist.

That's a hypothetical. America during that era was extremely racist, pre-civil rights and was in a war against the Japanese. Also keep in mind that quite a few German Americans(over 10,000) and Italian Americans were also interned. If there was a war between Canada and India, you can sure as hell bet that I'm going to fly off to a neutral third country to ride out the conflict. However, the chances of that happening in today's climate are so minuscule its ridiculous.

Your point is basically that people who grew up in North America shouldn't get too comfortable, and should think of themselves as outsiders just because they are of a different race even if they were born and grew up there. I don't agree with that sentiment, although I do agree that immigrants should keep some links back to their home culture.

Also in regards in multiculturalism, it's a complex topic, and I don't like some aspects of it(i.e poor Muslim immigrants in Europe). I ascribe to the philosophy of "When in Rome, do as the Romans", so I do agree with the criticism of immigrants who refuse to assimilate.

Quote: (11-19-2014 02:13 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:58 AM)Saladin Wrote:  

I don't see how that applies if you grew up in a certain culture, I'm far more comfortable with Western culture and forms of thinking than Indian culture. Maybe it does if you're a very recent immigrant. Me trying to adapt back to Indian cultural norms would be far more soul sucking.

As an individual you can come to terms with your identity and what you are comfortable with but identity is much greater than just the individual. It's the community, the nation, the culture.. If you're born in the west do the majority consider you as one of theirs? Let's be honest with that perception. The uncomfortable truth would probably be, no.

Would the people in the foreign country you're born in as an immigrant consider you as a brother or countryman in the gravest of times? It's doubtful.

New world multicultural countries like America, Canada, Australia, etc.. have never truly been tested in this regard. Look at America, even in WW2 the country didn't hesitate to throw Japanese-americans into camps when the going got tough.

Multiculturalism only superficially appears to work when things are relatively prosperous but when things get tough it's another story. Just keep in mind that Jews were able to live side by side as a relatively accepted different culture in their host nations (like Poland) for centuries until things got tough.

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I know in some parts of the world, nationality and race are interlinked. In nations like America this doesn't apply. These are nations of immigrants from many parts of the world, and many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants describe themselves as American while still maintaining a different racial identity(i.e Korean Americans or African Americans).

I believe most people DO link nationality and race even in America they just don't say it outright for fear of being called racist.

Good, and truthful post. I think though that length of time in a country and how well that group has been culturally integrated into that society determines their acceptedness. Like I don't get the impression that African-Americans are seen as un-American at all. People may be racist against blacks for one reason or another, but I don't think their American-ness is in doubt. Because blacks have been in the country as long as whites have, practice the same religions, celebrate the same holidays, have the same names, and had their ties with the ancestral homeland [involuntary] severed 400 years ago. Blacks are such a part of popular American culture such as sports and music and movies, celebrities, politicians, etc that I don't think anyone in their right mind can see blacks as any kind of foreign element.

Asians and Indians on the other hand don't have the length of history in American as blacks do nor have their really been prominent in popular culture enough to be seen as "native". If large numbers of Asians and Indians are still in American in 400 years from now, it will be a different story. But as of now, they haven't had much of a representation in mainstream culture the way blacks have.

@Moma

Do you have any video links of Indian guys in the UK with game and swag? I'm curious to see this because I just can't wrap my head around it. The Indian guys I meet, nearly all fall into the FOB, IT geek, beta stereotype. I don't know what Indian swag looks and sound like. I've never seen such a thing in my life. Not saying it doesn't exist, I take your word for it, I would just like to see what their swag is like. And also of the Indians in America that don't fit this stereotype, they tend to model themselves after bland white guys. For example Sanjay Gupta, Dinesh D'Souza and Bobby Jindal.

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:41 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What Sebastian is saying is very politically incorrect but it's true for the most part. Most people in the world treat ethnic/race identity and blood nationality as one because it makes the most sense. Multiculturalism has tried to mix in various races in with various nationalities. I believe it to be a failed social experiment. The vast majority of people would be happier if not better off amongst their own.

You can be "assimilated" in a superficial sense into a foreign nation by being born and raised there but the reality is it's hard to be part of that nation's history and identity. It takes centuries of contribution and integration to become part of that milieu. Even with african-americans it took centuries to be considered American mostly due to circumstance.

It's certainly easier for people with european ancestry in America because people intermix quickly with more established whites. For asians and newer immigrants it's very difficult if not impossible because the cultural/racial distance is just too strong. Maybe a few hundred years from now it will be more like Brazil or something.

People get butt hurt or insecure about this a lot and I get it when someone says _insert race_ isn't a "real" American or Brit. Most people aren't trying to be offensive about it they simply don't get the modern concept of multiculturalism. For non western people it's an utterly alien concept.

I believe trying to adopt into a foreign culture that is not part of your true ethnic origin is a soul sucking process. It's better to come to terms with your own identity and build yourself up as an individual first and foremost.

I recommend the book wages of whiteness by David R. Roediger



It basically talks about the creation of the identity of of being "white" in America using immigrants by integrating them and by making them anti-black. Remember when the old immigrants first came to America (the Poles, Italians, Slovaks, Germans, Irish) they weren't considered "white" by Americans. As a matter of fact they were treated as second class citizens and were seeing as inferior and many of the same things you hear about immigrants today, were also said back then "damn, these Italians, all they do is wave their flag and not don't speak English, why won't they assimilate?" The Southern Europeans were often discriminated for being the darker European ethnics. First generation Italians, Poles, and Germans never really assimilated but their kids and grandkids did and the mother tongue was lost because of the dominant American culture. The way that you became white in America was by being anti-black and looking down on black people, then all of a sudden these European ethnics were accepted into the white club.

The book talks about the New Immigrants (Hispanics) and how they are going the same exact route. In 50 years time the prediction scholars have is that Hispanics (especially white Hispanics)will be integrated into the white club just like how the old immigrants did and the argument goes that they will achieve it by becoming anti-black. You are already seeing this happen even today. Remember Zimmerman? The guy was Hispanic, yet the media and America basically paraded him as a white guy, hell Fox News treated the guy like if he was some sort of hero for the killing of Trayvon Martin. So for all the white guys out there who are worried about some Hispanic take over, relax, Hispanics will most likely be classified as white in 100 years anyway.

Great, great read.

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Few of their children in the country learn English... The signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages ... Unless the stream of their importation could be turned they will soon so outnumber us that all the advantages we have will not be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious.”

- Benjamin Franklin on Pennsylvania Germans.

History has a habit of repeating itself.

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:41 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

It's certainly easier for people with european ancestry in America because people intermix quickly with more established whites. For asians and newer immigrants it's very difficult if not impossible because the cultural/racial distance is just too strong. Maybe a few hundred years from now it will be more like Brazil or something.

The intermarriage rate 2nd generation Asians in Australia is 50% and about 75-80% for full Asians of the 3rd generation. They're intermarrying more often and earlier than previous immigrant groups like the Italians and Greeks even did. Even half of Aboriginals marry out, and much higher in the cities.

Quote: (11-19-2014 04:41 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:41 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What Sebastian is saying is very politically incorrect but it's true for the most part. Most people in the world treat ethnic/race identity and blood nationality as one because it makes the most sense. Multiculturalism has tried to mix in various races in with various nationalities. I believe it to be a failed social experiment. The vast majority of people would be happier if not better off amongst their own.

You can be "assimilated" in a superficial sense into a foreign nation by being born and raised there but the reality is it's hard to be part of that nation's history and identity. It takes centuries of contribution and integration to become part of that milieu. Even with african-americans it took centuries to be considered American mostly due to circumstance.

It's certainly easier for people with european ancestry in America because people intermix quickly with more established whites. For asians and newer immigrants it's very difficult if not impossible because the cultural/racial distance is just too strong. Maybe a few hundred years from now it will be more like Brazil or something.

People get butt hurt or insecure about this a lot and I get it when someone says _insert race_ isn't a "real" American or Brit. Most people aren't trying to be offensive about it they simply don't get the modern concept of multiculturalism. For non western people it's an utterly alien concept.

I believe trying to adopt into a foreign culture that is not part of your true ethnic origin is a soul sucking process. It's better to come to terms with your own identity and build yourself up as an individual first and foremost.

I recommend the book wages of whiteness by David R. Roediger



It basically talks about the creation of the identity of of being "white" in America using immigrants by integrating them and by making them anti-black. Remember when the old immigrants first came to America (the Poles, Italians, Slovaks, Germans, Irish) they weren't considered "white" by Americans. As a matter of fact they were treated as second class citizens and were seeing as inferior and many of the same things you hear about immigrants today, were also said back then "damn, these Italians, all they do is wave their flag and not don't speak English, why won't they assimilate?" The Southern Europeans were often discriminated for being the darker European ethnics. First generation Italians, Poles, and Germans never really assimilated but their kids and grandkids did and the mother tongue was lost because of the dominant American culture. The way that you became white in America was by being anti-black and looking down on black people, then all of a sudden these European ethnics were accepted into the white club.

The book talks about the New Immigrants (Hispanics) and how they are going the same exact route. In 50 years time the prediction scholars have is that Hispanics (especially white Hispanics)will be integrated into the white club just like the old immigrants were and the argument goes that they will achieve it by becoming anti-black. You are already seeing this happen even today. Remember Zimmerman? The guy was Hispanic, yet the media and America basically paraded him as a white guy, hell Fox News treated the guy like if he was some sort of hero for the killing of Trayvon Martin. So for all the white guys out there who are worried about some Hispanic take over, relax, Hispanics will most likely be classified as white in 100 years anyway.

Great, great read.

There may be something to this theory. I remember a long time ago reading an article called The Beige and the Black. In fact I just found it:
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/16/magazi...black.html

The TLDR is that interracial marriage between non-blacks happens at a much higher rate thus you will have blacks in the future and this race of beige mixed whites/Hispanics/Asians that consider themselves above blacks.

I spoofed my location to mumbai on Tinder, there is some quality Indian girls out there. A lot of 7's, and even some 8's

Why do we need to have this Political Debate? Like we don't personally care about it but we pretend caring about it because of voters?

Wake up. This is DATING forum. People will be the most superficial they can be when it comes to choosing their mates.
(talking about PC in dating is really really absurd you know that. eg: PC says you can't judge women by her weight)

I am not saying Immigrants should be treated certain way.
I am just talking about the reality they can't change.

Ask your 2nd generation friends if they always hear.
'hey where are you from'
'I am from here'
'I mean where are you originally from' OR 'where are your parents from'

Are these people asking such questions politically incorrect?
I don't know. I am just describing what's happening.

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:41 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What Sebastian is saying is very politically incorrect

Quote: (11-19-2014 06:36 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Why do we need to have this Political Debate? Like we don't personally care about it but we pretend caring about it because of voters?

Wake up. This is DATING forum. People will be the most superficial they can be when it comes to choosing their mates.
(talking about PC in dating is really really absurd you know that. eg: PC says you can't judge women by her weight)

I am not saying Immigrants should be treated certain way.
I am just talking about the reality they can't change.

Ask your 2nd generation friends if they always hear.
'hey where are you from'
'I am from here'
'I mean where are you originally from' OR 'where are your parents from'

Are these people asking such questions politically incorrect?
I don't know. I am just describing what's happening.

Quote: (11-19-2014 01:41 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What Sebastian is saying is very politically incorrect

Wrong, this is not a dating forum, you'll find those elsewhere.

Every girl has a skin fetish sure and she may not want to 'date' an Indian guy. That's where your skill, confidence, charisma, etc come into it, to change that 'no' into a 'yes'.

A girl's reality can be changed, reality can be woven by anyone. What's the reality I weave? That I'm British and it fucking works.

I do a lot of post sex interviews with girls and yes I hear a lot that they don't like Indian guys at all. Yet they are still in bed with me?

Quote: (11-09-2014 09:00 AM)Pestilence Wrote:  

Are there any indians on this forum living in India?

Any advice on approaching women in India?

Right now all I rely on is my social circle and tinder.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42217-page-2.html

Tinder is a waste of time. Ditch it.

Quote: (11-18-2014 08:02 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

He was also the reason that the subcontinent broke into 3. The first Pakistani prime minister was born and raised in the same Indian state as Gandhi.

I think you are drastically mistaken there. Gandhi's main wish was to keep the sub continent unified. He single-handedly made sure not as much blood was spilled in Calcutta as was in Punjab etc during the partition.

He had faults of course including his adamant stance on socialistic utopia which is the main reason India has been standing still for the past 30-40 years and it is no coincidence that as it adopts the capitalistic model it looks like it could finally be the country it's history demands of it but those are topics that are perhaps not the right fit here.

As for the rest of the thread it's really weird and bizarre. These kind of problems seem limited to the Diaspora, I don't know and don't really care much so i'll leave it to you guys.

As for fobby etc it depends on environment I suppose. I've seen fobby Indian dudes in the coastal town of Varkala who can't speak a word of English clean house with tourists so much so that a 16 year old dude who dropped out of school and hadn't been outside his village once told me 'White culture is to fk and forget, they're easy'. The absurdity of that statement had me laughing out loud so take of that what you will. There are also stories like this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/ind...lmate.html

Eastern and Middle Eastern and even African cultures love everything Indian. It is summed up why nicely from this extract from Mehta's great book

"The suspension of disbelief in India is prompt and generous, beginning before the audience enters the theatre itself. Disbelief is easy to suspend in a land where belief is so rampant and vigorous. And not just in India; audiences in the Middle East, Russia and Central Asia are also pre-cynical. They still believe in motherhood, patriotism, and true love; Hollywood and the West have moved on."

My experiences have been similar when a Nigerian immigration officer asked me if I knew Amitabh ( An actor of a bygone era in bollywood) or when the upper class Thai women in BKK who were avoiding 'farangs' upon coming to know I was Indian peppered me with questions about the Taj Mahal or when the Indonesian cab driver upon coming to know where I was from swivelled around and starting singing his rendition of 'Yeh Dil Dosti'.

At the end of the day there is no country that is as mystic or unique or as mysterious as India in addition to the fact that this spiritual stuff is a proven panty dropper. If you're 'fobby' and speak heavily accented english it still isn't the end of the road. Travel and let the good times roll.

Let's get back to focus on the practicalities. I'm all for debating multiculturalism and whether in the long run a nation composed of different ethnic groups can be cohesive, but here isn't the place.

Ok - let's say you are an American born Indian person traveling abroad (this is also applicable in the West in some cases) where they're not used to seeing Indian-Americans. These are some of the most common ignorant shit test questions that I get. What is the best way to respond? Btw this is in a happy hour/day game situation, not hardcore club game where I'd probably be more aggressive on the negs and focus on kino, etc....

Her: Where are you from?
Me: America
Her: Oh, I thought you were Indian
Me (is this the best response?): My _____(insert ancestor here) was Indian but I was born in the US.
Her: Oh, do you have family in India? Have you been there? (continuous stream of Indian related questions)
Me: (best response?) Hmmm, you're really curious about Indian aren't you...have you ever been to (name hotspot city in the US that I'm from)?

Her: Where are you from?
Me: America
Her: No way! You're from India
Me: ?

Her: So can you speak Hindi?
Me (is this the best response?): No, but I can speak (insert local Indian dialect here) as well as (insert other foreign languages here - for me it's Spanish, Chinese)
Her: Oh.....


Her: So you're Indian right?
Me: Uh...
Her: So, do you work in IT? Are you really good at math?
Me (internally slapping head): Do you always ask Indian people this or you've never met an Indian person before?

Me: Hey, my name is (insert Indian name here)
Her: That name is Indian right?
Me: ?



Anyway, as this thread has made clear, there are various girls that care about ethnicity that an Indian guy will confront:

-girls for which dating an ethnic Indian man is a no-no (likely will encounter in Asian countries)
-girls that aren't interested in an Indian born in India/FOB, but Indian-American/Uk/Canada/AUS guy with decent game is ok (my bread and butter)
-girls that just want the D and would give a chance to any good looking guy from any country who is well dressed with game
-girls that actively are seeking an Indian dude (I don't do well with ethnic fetishists)

and so on. There are some idealists on the forum that say that game conquers all (and all difficulties Indian guys encounter are 100% due to bad game and bad mindset), but most girls likely lie on a spectrum from 100% ethnocentric/racist to 100% open equally to all races. So, we have to figure out how to deal with the card we're dealt and use socially suave responses when ethnic issues come up.

So let's say you don't know which girl you're talking to. How does one filter out the first category and what are the best responses to the above questions to maintain frame?

Would love to see if anyone has any other "comebacks," for frequently-encountered ignorant Indian statements from girls.

Quote: (11-19-2014 08:24 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

Tinder is a waste of time. Ditch it.

Lol what ?


It's not a waste of time at all, I'm living proof it isn't, so are my +1 notch stories as of late.

Tinder is a goldmine IF you know how to present yourself in pictures, bio, and text game.

I'm constantly getting numbers and new bangs.

I'm not sure if you have had a bad experience, but it's a GREAT supplemental bang tool to have in your bag.

Quote: (11-19-2014 04:37 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Asians and Indians on the other hand don't have the length of history in American as blacks do nor have their really been prominent in popular culture enough to be seen as "native". If large numbers of Asians and Indians are still in American in 400 years from now, it will be a different story. But as of now, they haven't had much of a representation in mainstream culture the way blacks have.

I think in mainstream US culture assimilated Indians are more acceptable in leaderships positions than East Asians. Bobby Jindal and Nikki Lena (who are both Indian-American) have been spoken about as serious President or VP contenders by the Republican party.

I told a Chinese-American friend of mine, that the only way I could see a Chinese-American in the White House would be if she was married to the President. She thinks that’s probably true.

There’s also a few people of South Asian descent in US popular music, like Jay Sean and MIA. A lot of people don’t even know they’re South Asian. I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

Quote: (11-19-2014 04:37 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Do you have any video links of Indian guys in the UK with game and swag? I'm curious to see this because I just can't wrap my head around it. The Indian guys I meet, nearly all fall into the FOB, IT geek, beta stereotype. I don't know what Indian swag looks and sound like. I've never seen such a thing in my life. Not saying it doesn't exist, I take your word for it, I would just like to see what their swag is like. And also of the Indians in America that don't fit this stereotype, they tend to model themselves after bland white guys. For example Sanjay Gupta, Dinesh D'Souza and Bobby Jindal.

Here’s a British Indian DJ called Rishi Rich with Jay Sean;






This guy is called Imran Khan, he’s from Holland of Pakistani background, but he’s styled the same as a British Indian guy. You only need to see the first 30 seconds.






I ran into this guy many times as a teenager. I haven’t talked to him in a long time, but this guy was a total player. The video has lame dancing, but it is full of hot Indian girls

Quote: (11-19-2014 08:24 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/ind...lmate.html

The guy is 25 and married a 42 year old single mother. This smells very fishy, I’m almost certain that he married her for her passport.

Quote: (11-19-2014 11:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Would love to see if anyone has any other "comebacks," for frequently-encountered ignorant Indian statements from girls.

Most people don’t bring it up. In Morocco. A couple of guys would yell out “Shah Rukh Khan” when I was in Marrakesh, and one trader even started singing a Hindi song to me. In Tokyo I was standing outside an Indian restaurant and an old Japanese woman asked me if it was my family business!

Quote: (11-19-2014 11:48 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 08:24 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

Tinder is a waste of time. Ditch it.

Lol what ?


It's not a waste of time at all, I'm living proof it isn't, so are my +1 notch stories as of late.

Tinder is a goldmine IF you know how to present yourself in pictures, bio, and text game.

I'm constantly getting numbers and new bangs.

I'm not sure if you have had a bad experience, but it's a GREAT supplemental bang tool to have in your bag.

You banged girls in India with tinder?

Quote: (11-19-2014 02:12 PM)CimbomluBkk Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 11:48 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 08:24 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

Tinder is a waste of time. Ditch it.

Lol what ?


It's not a waste of time at all, I'm living proof it isn't, so are my +1 notch stories as of late.

Tinder is a goldmine IF you know how to present yourself in pictures, bio, and text game.

I'm constantly getting numbers and new bangs.

I'm not sure if you have had a bad experience, but it's a GREAT supplemental bang tool to have in your bag.

You banged girls in India with tinder?

Yes, I've banged 2 from tinder, and 2 from mutual friends. Indian girls aren't my niche, but it's been done.

EDIT: Re-read that

But not in India.

India hasn't adapted Tinder like the EE or SEA has.

I only read the part about ditching Tinder, I still don't see why you shouldn't have it as a supplemental tool, increases your chances of getting laid (slim as they may be).

^^^^Good advice from an Indian American that many should take a look at. Jesse probably bangs white blonde girls left and right and yes he's brown.

Honestly though for me, the way I can tell if you're an American, British or not is by your accent. If Jesse came to me and started talking to me, I wouldn't think India at all but just American or Canadian. Same thing for a British Indian guy. You're accent really says a lot about where you're from.

Quote: (11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

Far east movement. Not super popular but they are still a bit beyond niche with hit songs.

Quote: (11-19-2014 06:28 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

Far east movement. Not super popular but they are still a bit beyond niche with hit songs.

Shit, I forgot about them! I know who they are. They barely show their eyes in the video for some reason

Quote: (11-19-2014 04:40 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

^^^^Good advice from an Indian American that many should take a look at. Jesse probably bangs white blonde girls left and right and yes he's brown.

He's full of shit. Anyone claiming that "looks don't matter" is selling snake oil. All this guy needs to do is set up a Tinder or OKC account of a good looking and an average guy then compare the results. Then tell me that looks don't matter crap. I can't stand the Simple Pickup guys.

Quote: (11-19-2014 06:59 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (11-19-2014 04:40 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

^^^^Good advice from an Indian American that many should take a look at. Jesse probably bangs white blonde girls left and right and yes he's brown.

He's full of shit. Anyone claiming that "looks don't matter" is selling snake oil. All this guy needs to do is set up a Tinder or OKC account of a good looking and an average guy then compare the results. Then tell me that looks don't matter crap. I can't stand the Simple Pickup guys.

That shit is ridiculous, this guy isn't good.

This world is ABSOLUTELY superficial first, the first thing a girl looks at it is your looks and how you dress, body language, and that's before you even open your mouth or smile or have eye contact.

This guy has a fascination about ass wiping.

It doesn't just come down just to "feeling good about yourself" there are a lot of factors, looks being one of them.

He's giving some bad advice.